MS Dhoni does not have a single century outside Asia in any format

[sensible-indian-fan]

I do agree with this post.

He did sacrifice his spot up the order.

But still that was a dig. Happens.

As for Dhoni, the issue is this:

While he is a clutch bat in general, the fact that he has rarely ever performed in ICC tournaments but yet has cornered the market for clutch performances. As you just said, you would rather have a match winning 50 than useless 100s....if you look at data, you would see tons of SRT 100s coming in crucial games resulting in wins and NONE of Dhoni 50s (barring WC final knock) ever winning us an ICC knockout game.

That's called perception. Dhoni has cornered the market without performing yet players like ABD get ridiculed in ODIs inspite of doing well in what little chances they get (by the way, ABD is not clutch as Dhoni in general and he is a choker in T20I).

Also if Dhoni is so selfless, give me one good reason why he is still playing T20?
If he is so selfless, give me one good reason why he didn't quit ODI captaincy after 2015 WC for a new captain to be groomed?
If he is so selfless, give me one good reason why he didn't quit test captaincy after it was clear the selectors wanted to remove him in 2012?

Do you see what's going on?

That's the issue.

I mean the prev Sachin one.

 

[Drreddymd]

I do agree with this post.

He did sacrifice his spot up the order.

But still that was a dig. Happens.

As for Dhoni, the issue is this:

While he is a clutch bat in general, the fact that he has rarely ever performed in ICC tournaments but yet has cornered the market for clutch performances. As you just said, you would rather have a match winning 50 than useless 100s....if you look at data, you would see tons of SRT 100s coming in crucial games resulting in wins and NONE of Dhoni 50s (barring WC final knock) ever winning us an ICC knockout game.

That's called perception. Dhoni has cornered the market without performing yet players like ABD get ridiculed in ODIs inspite of doing well in what little chances they get (by the way, ABD is not clutch as Dhoni in general and he is a choker in T20I).

Also if Dhoni is so selfless, give me one good reason why he is still playing T20?
If he is so selfless, give me one good reason why he didn't quit ODI captaincy after 2015 WC for a new captain to be groomed?
If he is so selfless, give me one good reason why he didn't quit test captaincy after it was clear the selectors wanted to remove him in 2012?

Do you see what's going on?

That's the issue.

Sif u should understand by now that it is nothing but propaganda of goebells proportion which when repeated million times people get convinced that it is true but not any more

Nothing dhoni done in his career is selfless. He is selfish and shameless to the extreme by clinging to his captaincy after white washes and even after selectors dumped him as a captain.

Irony is his fans call other players selfish

 

[Statsman]

He was in early 30s, an accomplished ODI captain. Winner of last champions trophy, defending captain of world cup so why would he quit captaincy before 201 WC. Btw India did very well in 2015 WC. One of the top teams before losing to the hosts and eventual winner. I guess that was the only game India lost.

 

[Tusker]

I don't know the meaning of slim pickings but atleast I know failing in 6 World T20s, failing in all WCs (inspite of haing an ATG batting lineup in 2011 to back you up), failing in 5 out of 6 knockout games ain't no SLIM PICKINGS.

See this is what happens when you don't watch cricket and try to pass expert comments in angrezi by looking at SG. Because over there it will never tell you things like who put Jadeja at deep Midwicket just when we had 4 runs to defend against BD.

 

[Drreddymd]

See this is what happens when you don't watch cricket and try to pass expert comments in angrezi by looking at SG. Because over there it will never tell you things like who put Jadeja at deep Midwicket just when we had 4 runs to defend against BD.

Yeah when u have nothing to show for his performamce u can fall back on his captaincy and big him up right? Here we r talking about dhoni the player and not dhoni the captain. People are discussing his credentials as atg odi player and not as an all-rounder

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

See this is what happens when you don't watch cricket and try to pass expert comments in angrezi by looking at SG. Because over there it will never tell you things like who put Jadeja at deep Midwicket just when we had 4 runs to defend against BD.

lol classic diversion.

Who talked about Dhoni's captaincy?

In fact, many acknowledge he was a great LOI captain.

The very fact that you have to make this statement after reading posters' comments on PP for years shows how much you are closely following what others are saying and what their real arguments are.

What did I say about slim pickings?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Yeah when u have nothing to show for his performamce u can fall back on his captaincy and big him up right? Here we r talking about dhoni the player and not dhoni the captain. People are discussing his credentials as atg odi player and not as an all-rounder

Just wrote my comment and saw this post. lol.

Dhoni the bat is being discussed here. I suppose his keeping skills will make into discussions soon.

 

[Drreddymd]

He was in early 30s, an accomplished ODI captain. Winner of last champions trophy, defending captain of world cup so why would he quit captaincy before 201 WC. Btw India did very well in 2015 WC. One of the top teams before losing to the hosts and eventual winner. I guess that was the only game India lost.

Then why didnt he resign before in test matches after white washes after white washes and in t 20 where he is a passenger his entire career and after 2015 wc

 

[Statsman]

Dhoni while being an upgrade over previous few test keepers was extremely ordinary as a test and t20 bat outside India and IPL respectively. He could have been an aggressor in tests (played a good lock in WI) but he chose to become a jhadoo waala (sweeper). He deserves blame for occupying those spots for so long. No doubts about that as per me.

 

[Statsman]

Then why didnt he resign before in test matches after white washes after white washes and in t 20 where he is a passenger his entire career and after 2015 wc

He should have retired from tests in 2012-13. Cant blame him in ODIs. He's timed it well.
1) We've hardly played many ODIs post world cup
2) Dhoni skipped a lot of the ones we played
3) How many Indian ODI captains have actually stepped down in our history?
4) Kohli has got a good time frame to showcase his captaincy and build a team before the world cup
5) Unlike predicted by a lot of conspiracy theorists Dhoni is actually playing under Kohli after stepping down and not retired completely

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

How many times/innings did Dhoni bat in the top 4 outside asia?

 

[Pollack]

He should have retired from tests in 2012-13. Cant blame him in ODIs. He's timed it well.
1) We've hardly played many ODIs post world cup
2) Dhoni skipped a lot of the ones we played
3) How many Indian ODI captains have actually stepped down in our history?
4) Kohli has got a good time frame to showcase his captaincy and build a team before the world cup
5) Unlike predicted by a lot of conspiracy theorists Dhoni is actually playing under Kohli after stepping down and not retired completely

3) I doubt he stepped down on his own as ODI captain. Ravi shashtri already hinted before what was going on.

 

[Tusker]

lol classic diversion.

Who talked about Dhoni's captaincy?

In fact, many acknowledge he was a great LOI captain.

The very fact that you have to make this statement after reading posters' comments on PP for years shows how much you are closely following what others are saying and what their real arguments are.

What did I say about slim pickings?

Dude ... that was another example of what happens when you go by StatsGuru.

I realize it is futile to argue with a blind hater but hey who knows ... so Let me know if you really want to go down the line of Slim pickings to see where your hero who only had Bad Luck on his side ... thats got to be the most laughable excuse to explain a career littered with knockout exits from major tournaments.

 

[Pollack]

How many times/innings did Dhoni bat in the top 4 outside asia?

No need. We are 2 or 3 down quickly outside asia many a times.

 

[Drreddymd]

I may look like a dhoni bhasher here but it is due to his fans dissing great players to big him up when infact he is not better than greats.

My other problem is his fans denigrate indian team performances and attribute every win to his captaincy only and proclaim that india would have lost without him

My question to them is if he is soo good as u make Out of him then why india lost 5 t 20 cups, odi and champions trophies in between
If u diss sachin, ponting, lara by comparing each other nobody will have problems but to diss those greats by comparing him is a disgrace

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

No need. We are 2 or 3 down quickly outside asia many a times.

Then we should discuss about our Top 4 batsman not the one who is going to bat at 6/7.

 

[Drreddymd]

How many times/innings did Dhoni bat in the top 4 outside asia?

Who prevented him in doing so?

Can it be that he is not good enough to play in that positions outside of asia?

His test performances proves that because even when coming at six he averages 19 in aus, 22 in wi, 24 in sa, 35 in eng

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Dhoni blind haters deserves to have guys like mongia, sameer dighe, msk prasad, ajay ratra, dinesh karthik, vijay dahiya. Do you even remember these names? Even rahul dravid performed better than these guys as a part time wicketkeeper batsman. There won't be anyone like dhoni again in indian team.

 

[Pollack]

Then we should discuss about our Top 4 batsman not the one who is going to bat at 6/7.

But the thread is about Dhoni. We will talk about them when it is about them.

 

[Zak_Fan]

The number he bats at has played a big role in this stat.

 

[Drreddymd]

Dhoni blind haters deserves to have guys like mongia, sameer dighe, msk prasad, ajay ratra, dinesh karthik, vijay dahiya. Do you even remember these names? Even rahul dravid performed better than these guys as a part time wicketkeeper batsman. There won't be anyone like dhoni again in indian team.

Thank god there wont be any fans who big up a mediocre player to atg levels.

If u compare a supposed atg dhoni to the above previously mentioned then dhoni has very low ceiling

 

[Kaiser_Soze]

I may look like a dhoni bhasher here but it is due to his fans dissing great players to big him up when infact he is not better than greats.

<b>My other problem is his fans denigrate indian team performances and attribute every win to his captaincy only and proclaim that india would have lost without him</b>

My question to them is if he is soo good as u make Out of him then why india lost 5 t 20 cups, odi and champions trophies in between
If u diss sachin, ponting, lara by comparing each other nobody will have problems but to diss those greats by comparing him is a disgrace

That is so true man. T20 win over England the other day was attributed to Dhoni because he brought Bumrah to the team.

Bangladesh T20 match where they choked was attributed to his runout while keeping. Any sane keeper would've done the same thing. But since it is Dhoni it was magic.

 

[Drreddymd]

Dhoni blind haters deserves to have guys like mongia, sameer dighe, msk prasad, ajay ratra, dinesh karthik, vijay dahiya. Do you even remember these names? Even rahul dravid performed better than these guys as a part time wicketkeeper batsman. There won't be anyone like dhoni again in indian team.

Excuses, diversions are the order of the day for his fans to cling on to

 

[Pollack]

Dhoni blind haters deserves to have guys like mongia, sameer dighe, msk prasad, ajay ratra, dinesh karthik, vijay dahiya. Do you even remember these names? Even rahul dravid performed better than these guys as a part time wicketkeeper batsman. There won't be anyone like dhoni again in indian team.

Viruji This is what I wrote about dhoni here itself:
He is all time great Wicketkeeper batsman for India

Unfortunately the op is about how someone who is regarded as atg odi batsman has no century outside Asia.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Viruji This is what I wrote about dhoni here itself:
He is all time great Wicketkeeper batsman for India

Unfortunately the op is about how someone who is regarded as atg odi batsman has no century outside Asia.

Pollack ji that is why I asked 'how many times did he bat in the top 4 outside asia' this is as important question to answer as the OP. I seriously don't know that but I want to know about this stat.

 

[Drreddymd]

That is so true man. T20 win over England the other day was attributed to Dhoni because he brought Bumrah to the team.

Bangladesh T20 match where they choked was attributed to his runout while keeping. Any sane keeper would've done the same thing. But since it is Dhoni it was magic.

How many players have so many options to find excuses like dhoni? If he fails with bat he wins in captaincy, wicket keeping but when team Loses he is the master of excuses and his fans say team is rubbish

 

[Pollack]

Bangladesh T20 match where they choked was attributed to his runout while keeping. Any sane keeper would've done the same thing. But since it is Dhoni it was magic.

So true. Removing your gloves in such situation is such a regular thing for a keeper in such situation. It was hyped as mastermind of dhoni.

 

[Pollack]

Pollack ji that is why I asked 'how many times did he bat in the top 4 outside asia' this is as important question to answer as the OP. I seriously don't know that but I want to know about this stat.

Okay. My bad then. Maybe someone might help with stats.

 

[Statsman]

3) I doubt he stepped down on his own as ODI captain. Ravi shashtri already hinted before what was going on.

Conjectures. Also is Ravi Shastri holding any position right now?

 

[R0H1T]

Even worse than I thought, seriously awful ~

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...ult=1;result=2;template=results;type=allround

 

[Kaiser_Soze]

Even worse than I thought, seriously awful ~

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...ult=1;result=2;template=results;type=allround

Seems like only captaincy excuse is left

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Dude ... that was another example of what happens when you go by StatsGuru.

I realize it is futile to argue with a blind hater but hey who knows ... so Let me know if you really want to go down the line of Slim pickings to see where your hero who only had Bad Luck on his side ... thats got to be the most laughable excuse to explain a career littered with knockout exits from major tournaments.

Doesn't matter cos it was an irrelevant example cos no fan remembers any ICC tourney knock from Dhoni apart from the WC final even without going into statsguru.

As for ABD, no one calls him super clutch who can score in any pressure situation. Dude has issues with pressure but it can't be denied that he got very limited chances in ODI knockouts but he has still done very well. He still has to click in WC 2019 to clear things up (and if he fails there, people will rightfully torch him down). But then the same logic applies to Kohli too in ODIs.

As for blind hater of Dhoni, its sure as hell funny to read that cos no blind hater of a player will call that player ATG...mo blind hater would defend that player's greatest knock but since he made valid criticisms that show the player in very poor light, let's call him blind hater.

I love the way you perceive reality in black and white.

As for your comment about agrezi commies a few posts back, you have managed to turn the desi inferiority complex (which does exist) into a TOOL that you can use when fans question the performances of certain players by calling those fans as being too impressionable to western narrative EVEN though the same fans have spoken against those narratives in the past and talked about the effects of inferiority complex in desis a lot.

As I said, classic black & white perception of reality.

 

[Drreddymd]

Seems like only captaincy excuse is left

Guys when i click on it it is showing his overall stats. What does that post represents?

 

[Pollack]

Guys when i click on it it is showing his overall stats. What does

that post represents?

If on chrome android tick request desktop site. You are looking on mobile site.

 

[Kaiser_Soze]

Guys when i click on it it is showing his overall stats. What does that post represents?

His stats outside Asia at batting position 4 or earlier. Average of 30.5

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

As for comparison with dighe, mongia, msk prasad and the corresponding responses to it....lmao

That's like writing a biology paper answer for a math question and then saying to the teacher "I can't help it if you are not willing to accept proven scientific data" when she gives you zero marks for that answer.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Doesn't matter cos it was an irrelevant example cos no fan remembers any ICC tourney knock from Dhoni apart from the WC final even without going into statsguru.

As for ABD, no one calls him super clutch who can score in any pressure situation. Dude has issues with pressure but it can't be denied that he got very limited chances in ODI knockouts but he has still done very well. He still has to click in WC 2019 to clear things up (and if he fails there, people will rightfully torch him down). But then the same logic applies to Kohli too in ODIs.

As for blind hater of Dhoni, its sure as hell funny to read that cos no blind hater of a player will call that player ATG...mo blind hater would defend that player's greatest knock but since he made valid criticisms that show the player in very poor light, let's call him blind hater.

I love the way you perceive reality in black and white.

As for your comment about agrezi commies a few posts back, you have managed to turn the desi inferiority complex (which does exist) into a TOOL that you can use when fans question the performances of certain players by calling those fans as being too impressionable to western narrative EVEN though the same fans have spoken against those narratives in the past and talked about the effects of inferiority complex in desis a lot.

As I said, classic black & white perception of reality.

You didn't say that. I read that comment wrong (my apologies) but my point still stands based on the other arguments we had in PP.

 

[R0H1T]

His stats outside Asia at batting position 4 or earlier. Average of 30.5

In top 5, he doesn't even have 10 innings in the top 4 so had to drop down further in the batting order

 

[Romali_rotti]

I think Dhoni played most of his career as a number 5 bat ?. batting that deep down, his role is not to score 100s, he is either chasing or going beserk to set a high target. He is easily the 3rd greatest wickie bat after Gilly & Sanga

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

When Dhoni came down the order, he knew he would play 70% of his games in Asia.

It doesn't matter if he sucked outside Asia cos he would have clicked in 70% of the games and to drop down for the team is sacrifice.

We can question his selflessness in other aspects but not this one in my opinion.

He would have scored lots in Asia up the order which would have hidden his performances outside Asia.

 

[Indiafan]

Lol I honestly don't know why you beat yourself daily so much over Dhoni buddy.

Kohli has an even inferior world cup record but if he retires today from ODIs, he will retire as an ATG batsman..

Nah, I dont think Kohli winning only at home makes him an ATG yet

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

But the Dhoni outside Asia stats sure as hell puts things into perspective about the narrative that he would have clicked everywhere had he come up the order.

Fundamental problem with Dhoni is his lack of performances in ICC tourneys.

Everything else is just a random stat.

 

[R0H1T]

I think Dhoni played most of his career as a number 5 bat ?. batting that deep down, his role is not to score 100s, he is either chasing or going beserk to set a high target. He is easily the 3rd greatest wickie bat after Gilly & Sanga

Overall he'd be in the top 3, outside Asia not even in the top 5 IMO. I'd rather have Gilchrist, Flower, Sanga, QDK or even Brendon Taylor ahead of him, though the last two don't have as many games to show I do believe they were better bats than him in these places.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Nah, I dont think Kohli winning only at home makes him an ATG yet

No he will be an ATG. Just not in the league of Viv, Sachin and Ponting.

You are an ATG if majority consider you as an ATG.

Kohli and Dhoni are certified ATGs.

But if Kohli does fail in next WC, his aura will drop down immensely.

 

[Drreddymd]

I think Dhoni played most of his career as a number 5 bat ?. batting that deep down, his role is not to score 100s, he is either chasing or going beserk to set a high target. He is easily the 3rd greatest wickie bat after Gilly & Sanga

No. According to his fans gilli is not even in picture infront of dhoni

 

[Drreddymd]

Nah, I dont think Kohli winning only at home makes him an ATG yet

What has dhoni achieved that virat hasnt acheived other than a fluky 90 in final. He wipes dhonis floor by his t 20 world cup performances and he has 2 tons already which dhoni never had.

 

[pacesensation]

Just came across this interesting stat. Dhoni in over 179 games and 188 innings does not have a single century outside Asia.

I know he is a finisher in ODIs but several times, he came to bat in when there was plenty of time left to hit a century. However, it is absolutely mind boggling that a cricketer of his stature did not cross 100 even once outside Asia.

he was an average player. Mostly won in india. Could only win one odi against australia in australia in last 3 tours to australia
Could not help his team win a single odi series against Sa

He was average outside asia but people tend to forget it or try to justify it with unreasonable rebuttals

 

[sajeebmcj]

he was an average player. Mostly won in india. Could only win one odi against australia in australia in last 3 tours to australia
Could not help his team win a single odi series against Sa

He was average outside asia but people tend to forget it or try to justify it with unreasonable rebuttals

dhini is atg wicket keeper batsman. only behind to gilly and sanga. but he is not a atg batsman.

 

[Drreddymd]

he was an average player. Mostly won in india. Could only win one odi against australia in australia in last 3 tours to australia
Could not help his team win a single odi series against Sa

He was average outside asia but people tend to forget it or try to justify it with unreasonable rebuttals

He has won odi series in aus in 2007,against sa we won in india but not in sa

 

[Statsman]

he was an average player. Mostly won in india. Could only win one odi against australia in australia in last 3 tours to australia
Could not help his team win a single odi series against Sa

He was average outside asia but people tend to forget it or try to justify it with unreasonable rebuttals

What was his record outside Asia? What was the WL ratio and how does it compare to his peers/ past captains?

I guess that would be a better judge of the situation.

 

[SL_Fan]

When it comes to Tests that definitely counts against him but in ODIs I wouldn't think he has come in too many times with enough overs left to even think about scoring 100s. Usually coming in to bat in the lower middle order it's all about what the team requires. So rather than just looking at the number of innings a point of entry breakdown would give a better idea of things I would say.

 

[jusarrived]

Pathetic set of Indian fans , there is criticism and then there is hate . Dhoni does not warrant the kind of hate some of these so called fans are showing in this thread .

Dhoni is an ATG , few frustrated fans crying here will not change it . Live with it .

 

[Smbhayi]

I guess every player has failed at least 50% of their match. Be it Afridi or Sachin. And if you're nit picking stats then nobody is great, even not Bradman who had under 30 average on stick turf.

 

[Ankit007]

he was an average player. Mostly won in india. Could only win one odi against australia in australia in last 3 tours to australia
Could not help his team win a single odi series against Sa

He was average outside asia but people tend to forget it or try to justify it with unreasonable rebuttals

Bro he won in England, SA, new Zealand... What else you want? Atg captain and wicketkeeper batsman... Overall he is an atg in Odis...

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Pathetic set of Indian fans , there is criticism and then there is hate . Dhoni does not warrant the kind of hate some of these so called fans are showing in this thread .

Dhoni is an ATG , few frustrated fans crying here will not change it . Live with it .

Dhoni will go down as the most hated Indian player despite winning us 3 ICC trophies simply because he brought about the end of some of India's greatest player's careers. Some of them didn't even get to bid proper farewell because of his team first policy.

And frankly opinions of those fans hardly matter. MSD is rated as one of the best wicket-keeper bats in LOI's and probably one of the greatest finishers in the game by top cricketers who obviously know cricket more than all these haters put together.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

No he will be an ATG. Just not in the league of Viv, Sachin and Ponting.

You are an ATG if majority consider you as an ATG.

Kohli and Dhoni are certified ATGs.

But if Kohli does fail in next WC, his aura will drop down immensely.

Ponting alongside Viv and Sachin in ODI's? No way!

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Ponting alongside Viv and Sachin in ODI's? No way!

Balanced records....WC performances (as good stats as Tendu against non minnows)....performance in WC finals...brutal match winner.

He checks all the boxes.

Not better than Viv or Sachin but belongs to the top tier league.

 

[jusarrived]

Dhoni will go down as the most hated Indian player despite winning us 3 ICC trophies simply because he brought about the end of some of India's greatest player's careers. Some of them didn't even get to bid proper farewell because of his team first policy.

And frankly opinions of those fans hardly matter. MSD is rated as one of the best wicket-keeper bats in LOI's and probably one of the greatest finishers in the game by top cricketers who obviously know cricket more than all these haters put together.

Completely agree , these are the same guys who booed the Indian team when their fav player was dropped so why are we surprised .

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Dhoni will go down as the most hated Indian player despite winning us 3 ICC trophies simply because he brought about the end of some of India's greatest player's careers. Some of them didn't even get to bid proper farewell because of his team first policy.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Makes for a good narrative though.

Dhoni criticism started much before Sehwag, Gambo, Yuvi, Tendulkar retired.

 

[Drreddymd]

Dhoni will go down as the most hated Indian player despite winning us 3 ICC trophies simply because he brought about the end of some of India's greatest player's careers. Some of them didn't even get to bid proper farewell because of his team first policy.

And frankly opinions of those fans hardly matter. MSD is rated as one of the best wicket-keeper bats in LOI's and probably one of the greatest finishers in the game by top cricketers who obviously know cricket more than all these haters put together.

Thats the problem with fan boys. They say dhoni won 3 icc tournaments by doing what? By being a passenger who failed miserably and riding on other players performances ?
When will U fan boys give credit to the other players?

I can understand if dhoni is man of series or top performer but he is an abysmal failure in everycup we won.
So fan boys tell me how dhoni won icc tournaments for india?

 

[Kaiser_Soze]

Thats the problem with fan boys. They say dhoni won 3 icc tournaments by doing what? By being a passenger who failed miserably and riding on other players performances ?
When will U fan boys give credit to the other players?

I can understand if dhoni is man of series or top performer but he is an abysmal failure in everycup we won.
So fan boys tell me how dhoni won icc tournaments for india?

You're forgetting the selflessness of that man. The sacrifice of letting others shine instead of him so that they can feel better.

 

[Drreddymd]

You're forgetting the selflessness of that man. The sacrifice of letting others shine instead of him so that they can feel better.

But his fan boy are the first to talk a good game like its all about the team and not players but when team wins players are thrown under the bus and his captaincy is bigged up as the only factor and come up With statements like dhoni won 3 icc cups

 

[jusarrived]

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Makes for a good narrative though.

Dhoni criticism started much before Sehwag, Gambo, Yuvi, Tendulkar retired.

No sir , hatred started when Ganguly was droped and then Tendulkar fans hopped on , some Dravid and VVS fans too. Playing for CSK , definitely dint help with his popularity .
Ranchi had no chance against Mumbai , Kolkatta , Bangalore and Hyderabad together .

 

[Drreddymd]

You're forgetting the selflessness of that man. The sacrifice of letting others shine instead of him so that they can feel better.

When other players are removed it is for the good of team but he continues to fail in every tournament and selfishly play for years as he has support fro higher ups.

Can u not see the double standards?

His fans should be the last ones to talk about of selfishness as there can be no selfish and shameless player other than him who clinged on to his captaincy by hook or crook ans still continue to play t 20 where he has done zilch since beginning

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Thats the problem with fan boys. They say dhoni won 3 icc tournaments by doing what? By being a passenger who failed miserably and riding on other players performances ?
When will U fan boys give credit to the other players?

I can understand if dhoni is man of series or top performer but he is an abysmal failure in everycup we won.
So fan boys tell me how dhoni won icc tournaments for india?

So you are saying Dhoni wasn't responsible for 8-0 but the team? I agree with your assessment that the team should be held responsible and not the captain.

 

[Drreddymd]

So you are saying Dhoni wasn't responsible for 8-0 but the team? I agree with your assessment that the team should be held responsible and not the captain.

If u take entire credit for wins then u have to take the blame too. If u proclaim that india would have lost without him they how come it shows that team won and not him

 

[Cricfan4eva]

[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]

There is difference between hatred and criticism, yeah?

There is no player in the world that has escaped criticism and Dhoni is same, he was probably criticized in the very first year of his career, who denied that?

However the hatred that's spewed against him is unwarranted. And frankly there is only one logical reason to it, he has been quite vocal about India moving on and as a result some of the Indian greats have been removed unceremoniously.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

If u take entire credit for wins then u have to take the blame too. If u proclaim that india would have lost without him they how come it shows that team won and not him

So what exactly are you saying?

Is Dhoni responsible for India winning 3 ICC trophies or the team is responsible and not Dhoni for the 8-0 debacle?

 

[Drreddymd]

So what exactly are you saying?

Is Dhoni responsible for India winning 3 ICC trophies or the team is responsible and not Dhoni for the 8-0 debacle?

U r the ones taking entore credit for wins and saying team is rubbish when team Loses. First give credit to the team

 

[Drreddymd]

[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]

There is difference between hatred and criticism, yeah?

There is no player in the world that has escaped criticism and Dhoni is same, he was probably criticized in the very first year of his career, who denied that?

However the hatred that's spewed against him is unwarranted. And frankly there is only one logical reason to it, he has been quite vocal about India moving on and as a result some of the Indian greats have been removed unceremoniously.

Then why is he selfishly continuing when he is failing since years? Why other set of rules for him?

 

[Ab Fan]

Dhoni is an ordinary test and t20 player without any shadow of doubt.So including those innings hardly makes sense. T20s aren't relevant enough. So no point in mentioning that.

However, he has been a brilliant ODI player for the most part of his first 10 years.He has got many great finishes to his name and is one of the best player under crisis to have.

He doesn't have a century outside Asia but his performance has been good even away.

You dont compare a finisher with no. of centuries outside Asia.Its not too hard to score 100s overseas given the kind of wickets are offered these days.

 

[Drreddymd]

Dhoni is an ordinary test and t20 player without any shadow of doubt.So including those innings hardly makes sense. T20s aren't relevant enough. So no point in mentioning that.

However, he has been a brilliant ODI player for the most part of his first 10 years.He has got many great finishes to his name and is one of the best player under crisis to have.

He doesn't have a century outside Asia but his performance has been good even away.

You dont compare a finisher with no. of centuries outside Asia.Its not too hard to score 100s overseas given the kind of wickets are offered these days.

Tell me one innings outside asia where he won on his own?

How can he be atg when he failed in every icc tournament?

If he is ordinary then why he continued after whitewashes and still playing t 20 where he is the worst?

 

[Drreddymd]

Dhoni is an ordinary test and t20 player without any shadow of doubt.So including those innings hardly makes sense. T20s aren't relevant enough. So no point in mentioning that.

However, he has been a brilliant ODI player for the most part of his first 10 years.He has got many great finishes to his name and is one of the best player under crisis to have.

He doesn't have a century outside Asia but his performance has been good even away.

You dont compare a finisher with no. of centuries outside Asia.Its not too hard to score 100s overseas given the kind of wickets are offered these days.

We r only debating his odi performances but his fans are giving excuses like captaincy, keeping, metromafia and what not

 

[Stallion__]

A little surprised though it won't change my perception about him.

I can't recollect Dhoni particularly struggling in overseas conditions unlike other HTBs. He isn't known for scoring big anyways. He has helped his team win matches in every country maybe apart from South Africa. As a matter of fact, Inzi's only centuries outside Asia were against Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka.

 

[Drreddymd]

A little surprised though it won't change my perception about him.

I can't recollect Dhoni particularly struggling in overseas conditions unlike other HTBs. He isn't known for scoring big anyways. He has helped his team win matches in every country maybe apart from South Africa. As a matter of fact, Inzi's only centuries outside Asia were against Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka.

Yeah thats why he averages 19 in aus, 22 in wi, 24 in sa without looking in trouble. What would be his average if he struggled according to u?

 

[Stallion__]

Yeah thats why he averages 19 in aus, 22 in wi, 24 in sa without looking in trouble. What would be his average if he struggled according to u?

I was talking about ODIs. Inzi stat was enough of a clue.

He isn't that good in other formats.

 

[Drreddymd]

A little surprised though it won't change my perception about him.

I can't recollect Dhoni particularly struggling in overseas conditions unlike other HTBs. He isn't known for scoring big anyways. He has helped his team win matches in every country maybe apart from South Africa. As a matter of fact, Inzi's only centuries outside Asia were against Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka.

Please tell me that matches where he helped india win for all Of us to see?

It is a myth that he is a match winner outside of asia because he doednt have match winning knocks

 

[Ab Fan]

Tell me one innings outside asia where he won on his own?

How can he be atg when he failed in every icc tournament?

If he is ordinary then why he continued after whitewashes and still playing t 20 where he is the worst?

He has stolen the show many times in ICC tournaments with his captaincy, cricketing brain, temperament and keeping skills.

When you talk of Dhoni, its not just batsmenship although he scored the match winning 90 odd in finals when it mattered most but a lot more to it. He is the only captain to have won all kinds of limited overs tournaments which in itself is a big achievement.

He has a stature of an ATG cricketer in ODI and that shouldn't be questioned.

He isn't a failure in ICC tournaments by any means but he certainly falls well sort of the likes of Viv, Sachin and Ponting and among current ones, Kohli and AB will end as superior ODI players.

 

[Drreddymd]

He has stolen the show many times in ICC tournaments with his captaincy, cricketing brain, temperament and keeping skills.

When you talk of Dhoni, its not just batsmenship although he scored the match winning 90 odd in finals when it mattered most but a lot more to it. He is the only captain to have won all kinds of limited overs tournaments which in itself is a big achievement.

He has a stature of an ATG cricketer in ODI and that shouldn't be questioned.

He isn't a failure in ICC tournaments by any means but he certainly falls well sort of the likes of Viv, Sachin and Ponting and among current ones, Kohli and AB will end as superior ODI players.

We r talking about dhoni the batsman and not captain, keeper, batsman combo.

We r refuting the claim that he is an atg loi batsman which his fans proclaim and say he is better than sachin, abd, ponting gilly.

Please stick to the topic of batsmanship only. U r giving. Him too much credit for his captaincy because he is an abysmal failure as a batsman in icc tournaments.

How can u attribute team wins to his captaincy only?

If u think it is a team Performance then why give credit only to him and not the team.

 

[Drreddymd]

He has stolen the show many times in ICC tournaments with his captaincy, cricketing brain, temperament and keeping skills.

When you talk of Dhoni, its not just batsmenship although he scored the match winning 90 odd in finals when it mattered most but a lot more to it. He is the only captain to have won all kinds of limited overs tournaments which in itself is a big achievement.

He has a stature of an ATG cricketer in ODI and that shouldn't be questioned.

He isn't a failure in ICC tournaments by any means but he certainly falls well sort of the likes of Viv, Sachin and Ponting and among current ones, Kohli and AB will end as superior ODI players.

If he isnt a failure according to u then u r standards are very low. He fails in any metric u calculate as a player