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MS Dhoni is an ATG ODI player but is now fast becoming a burden for India

sensible-indian-fan said:
Been telling it for ages.

His knock at the death (along with Rahane's knock to a lesser extent) sucked the life out of the chase. He did fight valiantly but it was too little too late and he clearly looked out of his depths.

[MENTION=139315]Indian_Supporter[/MENTION] - Don't get me wrong bro. This thread isn't about hating on Dhoni. Love him but his time is up.
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31 from 30 how did it suck the life out?

Rather it was the Kohli innings in the middle when run rate slowed down for 6-7 overs that has cost us.Then Raina's non sensical slog.
 
Dhoni failed to finish the job whereas previously such a match situation was his bread and butter

but i dont think you can blame him for this loss
 
cricketjoshila said:
31 from 30 how did it suck the life out?

Rather it was the Kohli innings in the middle when run rate slowed down for 6-7 overs that has cost us.Then Raina's non sensical slog.
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The best finisher and yet not a single good innings in any of our 300+ chases. He is a liability. period.
 
Slog said:
Dhoni failed to finish the job whereas previously such a match situation was his bread and butter

but i dont think you can blame him for this loss
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He cant do it everyday.He almost did it.But when the likes of Binny wast 3-4 balls in this situation well!
 
cricketjoshila said:
31 from 30 how did it suck the life out?

Rather it was the Kohli innings in the middle when run rate slowed down for 6-7 overs that has cost us.Then Raina's non sensical slog.
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His biggest mistake was to come ahead of Raina. If Raina had got 5 balls to get in he would have won it for India. Dhoni doesnt have the same reflexes anymore and going the Sehwag way rather quickly, but that is expected considering he has been a very fine players over the years.
 
Hurting his reputation as a captain and finisher these days. Made silly mistakes as captain today and his batting was scratchy at best.
 
cricketjoshila said:
31 from 30 how did it suck the life out?

Rather it was the Kohli innings in the middle when run rate slowed down for 6-7 overs that has cost us.Then Raina's non sensical slog.
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Don't go by stats.

Before those 2s he took, his SR was 66 in DEATH where tired Rohit had to slog.

I watched it ball by ball towards the end and could see the pressure building up.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Don't go by stats.

Before those 2s he took, his SR was 66 in DEATH where tired Rohit had to slog.

I watched it ball by ball towards the end and could see the pressure building up.
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He did well.He came in when Rohit was set so its prudent that the set batsman hits.
 
Dhoni has regressed into a Misbah in ODIs now. No longer the same player.

Let's see how he fares in the next few games. Certainly looks like he is in decline.
 
You back the likes of Dhoni and binny to hit those length deliveries for fours or sixes. Neither they were slower bouncers nor quick or slower yorkers nor well disguised slower ones. And none of those deliveries were 90+mph.

Indian batsman made that over of Rabada to look good.

You can't say Dhoni is finished. One shot which would have ended the match got wrong . Otherwise he has won countless matches batting like this scoring slowly by singles and doubles and killing it in the last or second last over.
 
His big hitting abilities gone for sure. Also think injury in the last over didnt help either. Sad to see MS Dhoni has to go for paddle sweep in desperation where he used to clear boundaries for fun before.

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Kohli was the one who killed India's chances.

You can't expect Dhoni to win you games when Kohli (one of your best players) doesn't perform.
 
I want india to lose all odi's in this series. Hopefully we will get rid of dhoni, bhuvi, mohit, axar soon.
 
WC-Passion said:
Kohli was the one who killed India's chances.

You can't expect Dhoni to win you games when Kohli (one of your best players) doesn't perform.
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Actually its the opposite. You can't expect kohli to win you every match. Dhoni was set and wasted a lot of deliveries. This was india's match and dhoni bottlled it. There is no doubt about that.
 
Indian_Supporter said:
His big hitting abilities gone for sure. Also think injury in the last over didnt help either. Sad to see MS Dhoni has to go for paddle sweep in desperation where he used to clear boundaries for fun before.

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I knew the match was gone but admired the fighting abilities of that man.

That guy really really really fought. He just didn't have it in him do it.

That's just sad.
 
WE were not good enough,our batting is one of the worst in the world now, with kohli on steady decline only a miracle could save us
 
Not sure what are his plans ahead. 2019 WC? And then retire? I dont think he can even last till the Champions Trophy. He wont be sacked but as a batsman he will be finished by that time.

If he gets sacked then it will be a sad ending for a great captain. He must think about it and bring about a good solution.
 
Dhoni came in with around 90 required of 60 balls and scored a scratchy 31(30) .

Have no clue how anyone can defend this ridiculous knock.

This is the problem with Dhoni's approach to taking the match to the last over when it could be finished off much earlier. It makes him look like a hero when it comes off and looks disastrous when he fails.
 
His time is over for sure...i just have one doubt that he may perform well in top or middle order
 
Yes I guess, his time is over now. He's been a great great captain and batsman for India though!
 
I wouldn't say his time is over.

A lot of time Dhoni had the services of out right match winners in the past which India don't have at the moment.

Counting match winners in this side

Rohit
Kohli
Raina
and Ashwin to an extent.

You don't win matches with Binny, Axar, etc.

His approach of taking the match to the last over should have worked. 11 runs of an over should be easily chased.

T20 may not be his favorite format but he has still got a lot to offer in ODI's. It's just that he does not have the support net that he used to have.

This India team may still win a lot and beat Pakistan but this is not a team that it was a few years ago.
 
Dhonis big hitting abilities and the helicopter shot have all gone. Needs time off and need to work hard in the nets.

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Excuses will come out very frequently too from now on. :))

If you consider this decent, let me tell you something Dhoni ji.

We won the 2 ODIs due to crazy knocks by you (the only knock of yours in the series) and Kohli.

Such individual brilliance is rare plus Saffers choking during chase HELPED A LOT.

If we batted first today and won the game, you would have gone on to say ours is an amazing ODI outfit now that we have won a strong team like SA. :))
 
Mobashir said:
I agree with Dhoni on this.
A 4-1 series loss was normal for this series seeing the gulf of difference between both side.
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This series could have EASILY been won 4-1 by us if a proper lineup was there.

We threw away 2 games.

SA imploded while chasing from the start.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
This series could have EASILY been won 4-1 by us if a proper lineup was there.

We threw away 2 games.

SA imploded while chasing from the start.
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The second ODI was an easy chase on an easy track for South Africa. They just didn't took it seriously enough and every batsman came in and tried to hit it.
 
Mobashir said:
The second ODI was an easy chase on an easy track for South Africa. They just didn't took it seriously enough and every batsman came in and tried to hit it.
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Yes....Saffers threw away a game too.

Considering they are historically poor chasers and we are good chasers in recent times hampered by bad team selection, I made the claim.

Don't mean to take away any credit from them.

They deserved to win against this side and kudos.

In fact, Indians should thank Saffers for winning this. ;-)

If by chance we had won this decider by say batting first, man...this team would keep playing and screw us up in the future.
 
India won 2nd odi more because of South Africa's choking but they played well in the 1st odi and they lost that game only because of lack of power hitters in middle order..IMO, India needs someone who has the ability to score a 40 of 20 at no. 7 position and can be handy with ball also..The likes of jadeja and axar are just not good enough and the batting looks to be till Dhoni only..We have Rahane and Dhoni in middle order who can't really change gear and play hyper aggressively..Only Raina can do that and he isn't consistent at all.. So lots of batting worries are there..The only game where India played good cricket was 4th odi and that was because it was a spin friendly pitch..
 
He will score at least one 80+ score. He can still offer a lot in ODIs but he should not bat lower than #5 now.
 
Yes. He still thinks that he is good enough to lift the team score from 50/5 to 200-250 which is not true anymore.

He should bat at number 4 and try scoring some runs
 
Lurker_Ind said:
Team India is carrying MSD for almost 3 years now. He is a very ordinary bat now. Probably should bat No.7 or No.8. MSD coming in at No.5 is a joke.
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Dhoni averaged over 60 in ODIs in 2013 and over 50 in 2014. How has India been carrying Dhoni for 3 years? His decline in form (at least in ODIs) has mostly been in the past year and a half.
 
He's over the hill, could not do much in domestic cricket either. This after he has hardly played any cricket since the WC barring the series vs BD and SA. So cant use the excuse of being overburdened aby longer.

Should be sacked from ODI captaincy, made to play as a normal Keeper-batsman for a couple of series and if he cant get back his batting form, should be forced out of ODI squad.

In T20s, should have been sacked as a captain and player long back.
 
He isn't on decline.He has already declined.He will probably end up now a couple of notches behind AB and just a notch ahead of Kohli...A world cup winner deserves respect but should retire now.
 
He's done. His decline started last year and now he's just dragging the pain out. Not sure who will replace him but no point in letting him tarnish his legacy.
 
Every thing will be forgotten once the IPL starts... Calm down boys....Suresh Raina was Dhoni's trump card, he supports dhoni well... Even some days dhoni was shadowed by raina for his dud with the bat or support the trundling bowling with his offspin.. Raina was the team man, missing him shifts the balance of the team... Stupid to drop RAINA...imo
 
what an important six. Dhoni just made his team win. got out on the next ball but the game was winnable for india by then. what a player.
 
Is MS Dhoni's batting on the decline?

What an absolute pleasure it was to see MS Dhoni´s hitting yesterday, the Dhoni of old it was. He hadn´t had much of a go in the Asia Cup T20, but he still made most of opportunities, making 40 off 15 in all. More time, a bigger sample size, will tell whether he really was back to his best.

This was by the way the 13th occasion that he had finished a match with a six in international cricket:msd.

Kudos to Bangladesh by the way for such a brilliant showing in the tournament. They ran India very close in the final. I am expecting them to beat at least one big team in the ICC World T20.
 
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DHONI183 said:
What an absolute pleasure it was to see MS Dhoni´s hitting yesterday, the Dhoni of old it was. He hadn´t had much of a go in the Asia Cup T20, but he still made most of opportunities, making 40 off 15 in all. More time, a bigger sample size, will tell whether he really was back to his best.

This was by the way the 14th occasion that he had finished a match with a six in international cricket:msd.

Kudos to Bangladesh by the way for such a brilliant showing in the tournament. They ran India very close in the final. I am expecting them to beat at least one big team in the ICC World T20.
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Probably us or Aus.
 
Not really, still hitting the winning runs after top order has already set the platform!
 
I think it's on decline but the condition is not as deplorable as it's made out to be, predominantly because of dhoni's lack of form.

The thing is as latter part of sportsman's career lingers, mental toughness of the sportsman dictates his future path in that sport more than anything.

He still can smash some lusty blows meaning that his strength is very much intact. What he is struggling nowadays is to time the ball and that is more due to late reaction time as compared to what he used to have. This might be neurological in nature - potentiation of the nerves from the excitement of the hitting the ball might be in his mind but his brain is set to strike the ball with the help of his muscle memory which is not in sync with his comparatively late reaction time.
The brain has ways to compensate for the loss of nerve cells that occurs with aging so he can certainly bounce back for now.

I think, his body is adjusting to his limited body reflex and you can see he is improving with time. It seems as though the two biggest contributors to reaction time are not neurological as we might think, but rather a product of both power and experience, and although this is gonna escalate soon as, power and reaction time both will only deteriorate with time and beyond repair work.
 
Just saw the scorecard of the match between India and Kiwis. He had a very poor strike rate again. Earlier he won the matches but seems to struggle now. What is happening?
 
IAJ said:
Just saw the scorecard of the match between India and Kiwis. He had a very poor strike rate again. Earlier he won the matches but seems to struggle now. What is happening?
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Past it player trying to hang on to the team as an accumulator.
 
IAJ said:
Just saw the scorecard of the match between India and Kiwis. He had a very poor strike rate again. Earlier he won the matches but seems to struggle now. What is happening?
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His strike rate was fine for the situation at that time. He didn't let the RR go high (even at the end it was just around 7). It isn't his fault that wickets were falling on the other end.
 
IAJ said:
Just saw the scorecard of the match between India and Kiwis. He had a very poor strike rate again. Earlier he won the matches but seems to struggle now. What is happening?
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Age has caught up with him. He is still a decent batsman and a very good keeper. He will be hopefully replaced by Rishabh Pant soon.
 
Still a very very good player just a bit rusty...he has set such high standards for himself over the course of his career that now an odd failure here and there are been picked by the critics. Truth be told he is second to only Kohli in our line up and thats a good enough reason for him to continue.
 
Dhoni is an ATG in odi cricket, best finisher the game has seen and in the top 5 ever to play ODI cricket. But alas he will face the inevitable decline, but to beat Ind, he is still the most valuable wicket along with Kohli.
 
Sachin136 said:
His strike rate was fine for the situation at that time. He didn't let the RR go high (even at the end it was just around 7). It isn't his fault that wickets were falling on the other end.
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May be you didn't follow the game. Right after he walked in at the 18th over there was a runout because of a brilliant fielding (M Pandey 19.2). The next wicket fell (31.1) when Jadhav was trying to keep up the SR because of Dhoni's lack of SR. Then Dhoni got out at 39.3. So, from 19.2 to 39.3 while Dhoni was batting, India only lost one proper wicket. WICKETS didn't tumble as you make out to be.

Dhoni and Jadhav started together. Jadhav faced 36 balls scored 41. Dhoni faced 36 balls till then scored 25. Ultimately Dhoni finished on 39 with facing 65 balls. Sell by date left.
 
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For someone who is getting a lot more rest between games and series since he decided to give up Test Cricket, he only plays IPL, ODI's and T-20's for India, he is not even allowed to play all the other T-20 leagues around the world.

He surely is now getting sufficient time to rest, work on his fitness and batting behind the scenes now. He should be doing much better than he actually is.
 
Did he won any game for India since that 92 in 2nd odi vs South Africa last year?
 
I have always looked upon Dhoni as a tail ender capable of producing a decent innings. His form has not declined, now we are seeing his true class as a batsman!
 
Dhoni clearly doesn't look the same anymore. I remember him playing breathtaking innings, but he has been the opposite in the last 3 years.
 
Ab Fan said:
Did he won any game for India since that 92 in 2nd odi vs South Africa last year?
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Lost more games than he's won. Can't believe people are calling him an accumulator when he's struggling to get 50s consistently. A truly misused term.

He should retire ASAP and let someone else take over. A legendary ODI batsman and he has nothing left to prove in this format.
 
Problem is players with pure hand eye coordination tend to struggle when they lose their reflexes. And they will look very ugly when they struggle unlike other batsmen when they are out of form.
 
street cricketer said:
Problem is players with pure hand eye coordination tend to struggle when they lose their reflexes. And they will look very ugly when they struggle unlike other batsmen when they are out of form.
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It's a bit sad. These players can alone demolish the opposition but a time comes when lulloo bowlers can tame them.

Dhoni isn't relevant to Indian cricket now (not based upon only todays match). He looks exhausted and running out of ideas and creativity.

Perhaps he could hand over the leadership to kohli and play only as a wk batsman..... It'll be hard to get over his influence but.... Kohli may set a new culture (at least on motivation aspect)
 
It's true that he's seriously slowing down now. Happens to the best of players. He's been the best thing to ever happen to Indian LOI cricket IMO. Won them a T20 & 50-over WC. He probably has a little more left in him, but should be retiring soon most likely.
 
PakLFC said:
I have always looked upon Dhoni as a tail ender capable of producing a decent innings. His form has not declined, now we are seeing his true class as a batsman!
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I dont think you have any knowledge of cricket then. He is a non conventional player who has played some fabulous innings when everyone failed. He is not in best of the form currently but soon will be. Maybe in Champions Trophy :)
 
Ankit007 said:
I dont think you have any knowledge of cricket then. He is a non conventional player who has played some fabulous innings when everyone failed. He is not in best of the form currently but soon will be. Maybe in Champions Trophy :)
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Lite maams.

Some posts are just too whack to respond.

MSD is a tailender who could bat a bit.....doesn't deserve a response.
 
So I see PPers are slowly realizing "maybe ....Dhoni is declining".

Been saying it for 1.5 years now. :))

This guy won't play 2019 WC.

And 90% sure he won't make it to 2017 Champions Trophy. If he did, it would be just sad.
 
PakLFC said:
I have always looked upon Dhoni as a tail ender capable of producing a decent innings. His form has not declined, now we are seeing his true class as a batsman!
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The tailender has a better batting avg than any Pakstani ODI batsman.
 
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