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MS Dhoni is an ATG ODI player but is now fast becoming a burden for India

1st 50 in over a year, surprisingly slow SR of 85 though. Probably going to smash NZ at the end.
 
Dhoni has no role to play at 6 or 7 anymore, that is clear.

It is a bit different if he wants to reinvent himself as the #4 where he gets time to play into the innings.
 
Dhonis is not going anywhere. so if he has to stay in the team, better off at no.4 than no5 or 6.

Even if he has a poor start, it doesnt affect as much.
 
Dhoni doesn't want to be a finisher anymore. Good decision that will extend his career by 3-4 years.
 
Dhoni as a finisher has regressed beyond repair

What remains to be seen is whether he can be useful at no.4 in middle overs.Which I think he can.He has mentioned he wants to bat at 4 but loss of form for Raina means there is no finisher.So he has to do the job himself

He has to change the approach of dragging the match to last over

Yup.He can.

What we need is an inform Raina or someone like him to be the finisher and team will be set.

Hoping Jadhav/Pandya can be the answer.Dhoni should bat at 4 only
 
You must be a tail ender yourself!:narine Sarfaraz has just started his career where as Dhoni is a granddad in criceting terms.

Don't embarrass yourselves man. even then at the time in his 52nd innings completed Dhoni has 2 centuries (with a high score of 183) and 10 fifties, averages 43 odd http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

And here's Sarfraz current state http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...re;template=results;type=batting;view=innings
 
Sarfaraz is a decent bat where as Dhoni is incredibly overrated. You're making biopics of him as if anyone outside your country rates him as highly. Do you think he is a global icon like Muhammad Ali or something!!?
 
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Sarfaraz is a decent bat where as Dhoni is incredibly overrated. You're making biopics of him as if anyone outside your country rates him as highly. Do you think he is a global icon like Muhammad Ali or something!!?

Dude, Dhoni >> Sarfaraz in ODIs and that is a fact, Test are a different debate altogether.
 
Didn't know even you are obsessed with patty tag like ATG SIF :P
 
Dude, Dhoni >> Sarfaraz in ODIs and that is a fact, Test are a different debate altogether.

Sarfaraz is decent where as Dhoni can be okay on his day. I have no problem in admitting that Kohli is class but Dhoni, give me a break!
 
11 runs. 31 balls. SR 33.

Out.

Last game...20 runs....31 balls....SR 61 after which he made up.

No problem with him whatsoever.

Can play at number 4 till WC 2019.
 
He tends to take his role way too seriously, if he starts playing wildly like he used to during his starting days, he may find his lost touch again.
 
11 runs. 31 balls. SR 33.

Out.

Last game...20 runs....31 balls....SR 61 after which he made up.

No problem with him whatsoever.

Can play at number 4 till WC 2019.

Haven't watched the match. Just looked at the scorecard. This was indeed a pathetic innings by Dhoni. 11 of 31, when chasing a score of 260 is simply unacceptable in modern cricket.
 
He tends to take his role way too seriously, if he starts playing wildly like he used to during his starting days, he may find his lost touch again.

Are you confusing him with :afridi ? No one can play wildly and win so many matches for a team.
 
hes batting like how Misbah used to for us in ODIs these days. Really is struggling to rotate strike early in his innings.
 
Are you confusing him with :afridi ? No one can play wildly and win so many matches for a team.

He used to be ruthless in his starting days, right from ball one, he should play like that again, why not end your career ruthlessly? He shouldn't play like Misbah, as the above poster has stated.
 
Bhai, you still believe he has it in him?

I think he can keep on coming at 4/5, at least until the end of the 2017 CT. He isn't that powerful of a hitter anymore, but he can still be a decent middle order batsman. I don't believe his captaincy or wicket keeping has deteriorated either. On top of that, we don't have any other suitable options. We aren't playing many ODIs before the CT, so it would be foolish to bring in a new WK at this point.

In T20s, he should be retiring soon because he can't score very quickly anymore (which is a requirement in that format).

https://vine.co/v/5ddQQn9hWYM
 
hes batting like how Misbah used to for us in ODIs these days. Really is struggling to rotate strike early in his innings.

Not even close. Would be more accurate to say that Dhoni is batting like Younis Khan used to in ODIs, a few months ago.
 
I think he can keep on coming at 4/5, at least until the end of the 2017 CT. He isn't that powerful of a hitter anymore, but he can still be a decent middle order batsman. I don't believe his captaincy or wicket keeping has deteriorated either. On top of that, we don't have any other suitable options. We aren't playing many ODIs before the CT, so it would be foolish to bring in a new WK at this point.

In T20s, he should be retiring soon because he can't score very quickly anymore (which is a requirement in that format).

https://vine.co/v/5ddQQn9hWYM

Agree. When he performs people say oh it's just a one off, when he fails it's time to drop?

Nah, think he still offers enough with keeping+A-grade captaincy/leadership+batting where he is fading, but still has about a year or 2 at least in him.
 
When ever India lose its dhoni fault 10 others what they doing some people thinks stupid way
 
I think he can keep on coming at 4/5, at least until the end of the 2017 CT. He isn't that powerful of a hitter anymore, but he can still be a decent middle order batsman. I don't believe his captaincy or wicket keeping has deteriorated either. On top of that, we don't have any other suitable options. We aren't playing many ODIs before the CT, so it would be foolish to bring in a new WK at this point.

In T20s, he should be retiring soon because he can't score very quickly anymore (which is a requirement in that format).

https://vine.co/v/5ddQQn9hWYM

He never was quick enough for T20s, he always had a poor SR in T20s.
 
Dhoni may continue to play till 2019 WC

New Delhi: One of India's finest cricket captains ever, MS Dhoni guided the Men in Blue to yet another ODI series triumph, defeating New Zealand 3-2.

With India set to be indulged in more Tests action than ODIs, Dhoni has ample break time before taking on England in the one-day internationals.

Mahi, who retired from Test cricket after the 2014 World Cup is expected to take a call on his future in limited overs cricket after another mega even – the 2017 ICC Champions Trophy – which takes place in June.

Speaking to TOI, former Indian cricketer Ashish Nehra said that he expects Mahi to continue wearing the Indian jersey until the 2019 World Cup.

"By the time it's time for the 2019 World Cup, Dhoni's age would close to 38, but these days age isn't a factor. Look at Pakistani players like Younis Khan and Misbah-ul-Haq. They are still playing international cricket past the age of 40. And as far as Dhoni is concerned, he is fit enough to go on till 2019."

"I don't see any reason why Dhoni should retire from international cricket. After the New Zealand ODI series, he will get more than two months to rest and come back fresh for the ODIs against England. Dhoni will be fitter in the series against England than what you saw in the series against the Kiwis."

Ravi Shastri also echoed Nehra' comments and said, "Dhoni is at par with greats like Kapil Dev, Sunil Gavaskar and Sachin Tendulkar. He is a big player and has it in him to play till the 2019. He is the kind of player who won't be around if he is not able to deliver for India. He has played cricket on his own terms and will continue to do so."

Ex-Indian wicketekeeper Kiran More also shared his views on Dhoni's future, "Fitness is the key issue when it comes to international cricket. Dhoni does not need to worry about that. His chances of playing till 2019 is very bright. India will need Dhoni and I am sure he is not going to walk away just like that."

MS Dhoni's fitness will be key to his chances of playing the biggest event in cricket and the upcoming ICC Champions Trophy in England will highlight the intensity of fire Mahi still carries in his belly.

http://zeenews.india.com/cricket/ms...-to-continue-till-2019-world-cup_1945075.html
 
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So Nehra Ji says " If Misbah and Yk can play then why can't Dhoni "..... Without taking into consideration that the Pakistani batsmen are still on top of their game, Dhoni isn't and he's become a burden since last two years.

Shastri Ji also backs Dhoni to play the 2019 WC and claims that if Dhoni isnt able to deliver then he will bow out himself.

Looks like Dhoni has support from all corners of Indian Cricket and India must bid goodbye to their chance of winning 2019 WC if Dhoni doesn't retire.


Chief Selector, former Cricketers everybody is sucking upto himself. Seems as if he has become untouchable and above accountability in Indian Cricket.

When we'll Kohls get the Odi Captaincy if Dhoni plays till 2019? After he is 32 years old?

Dhoni will be very selfish if he continues to play till 2019. He's finished already.
 
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Retire from T20s Dhoni.

2007 WT20, 2009 WT20, 2012 WT20, 2014 WT20, 2016 WT20

ALL FAILURES yet stays in the team and plays his umpteenth stat boosting impactless T20I knock with some hits at the end.

Let's be honest:

To keep playing T20s after all this is the epitome of selfishness.

And people call Tendu selfish while hailing Dhoni's selflessness. lol.
 
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Dhoni should continue in ODIs but not T20s anymore... Pant should come in or someone else... But Dhoni should leave T20s now...
 
Retire from T20s Dhoni.

2007 WT20, 2009 WT20, 2012 WT20, 2014 WT20, 2016 WT20

ALL FAILURES yet stays in the team and plays his umpteenth stat boosting impactless T20I knock with some hits at the end.

Let's be honest:

To keep playing T20s after all this is the epitome of selfishness.

And people call Tendu selfish while hailing Dhoni's selflessness. lol.

I have been repeating this fact since eternity but i am happy atleast people are looking through his facade as a selfless team player who by hook or crook clinged selfishly onto his captaincy and receiving plaudits for teams performances in which he played no part in them. What has he acheived in his t 20 career that makes him Undroppable?
 
Retire from T20s Dhoni.

2007 WT20, 2009 WT20, 2012 WT20, 2014 WT20, 2016 WT20

ALL FAILURES yet stays in the team and plays his umpteenth stat boosting impactless T20I knock with some hits at the end.

Let's be honest:

To keep playing T20s after all this is the epitome of selfishness.

And people call Tendu selfish while hailing Dhoni's selflessness. lol.

His finishing abilities are equivalent of pak fans raving about talent which is just a mirage with no performances to back that up. When ever u question his fans say india won because of his captaincy alone and even discredit indian wins telling that india would have lost without him
 
I forgot 2010 WT20 from the list.

His finishing abilities are equivalent of pak fans raving about talent which is just a mirage with no performances to back that up. When ever u question his fans say india won because of his captaincy alone and even discredit indian wins telling that india would have lost without him

I don't remember a single good T20I knock from him ever.

Shocking.
 
He has been a semi- burden since 2011.
But the bitter truth was we have had none(wicketkeeper) to replace. Now there are few new prospects which needed to be tried even if they are not so good in keeping or batting.
 
He is only good at bullying domestic trundlers. Maybe he should come at no 4 after Kohli or even try opening ? He can use the fielding restriction to his advantage in the first 6 overs.
 
I forgot 2010 WT20 from the list.



I don't remember a single good T20I knock from him ever.

Shocking.
U cant remember any because he doesnt have any.

He is the biggest con artist in indian cricket who took everything to his advantage. If the team wins and he doesnt perform they attribute it to his captaincy.

If he some how performs he is the greatest finisher, matchwinner and atg captain and the hype goes to unreal levels.

If the team fails the team is rubbish, bowlers are rubbish. If the same rubbish bowlers perform it is because of his unbelievable imaginative captaincy.

Ms dhoni is everything according to his fans and never about other players or their performance.

He is in a win win situation all the time in indian cricket. Anybody who question his authority or performance are booted out
 
He is only good at bullying domestic trundlers. Maybe he should come at no 4 after Kohli or even try opening ? He can use the fielding restriction to his advantage in the first 6 overs.

If he has the guts nobody prevents him opening right now. If he opens his frailties as batsman are exposed like his test batting outside of india. He is the biggest bully in sub continental conditions for a few yrs but he is finished even in that conditions
 
Retire from T20s Dhoni.

2007 WT20, 2009 WT20, 2012 WT20, 2014 WT20, 2016 WT20

ALL FAILURES yet stays in the team and plays his umpteenth stat boosting impactless T20I knock with some hits at the end.

Let's be honest:

To keep playing T20s after all this is the epitome of selfishness.

And people call Tendu selfish while hailing Dhoni's selflessness. lol.

His fans question performance decline of sehwag and gambhir for their dropping but a player who is a passenger in his entire t 20 career and icc tournaments turn a blind eye when questioned about his performamces.

captaincy is a boon for his place in the team and his bank balance. thats why he Is not willing to let it go even after white wash after white washes because if he is a mere player his performances will be scrutinized and he is not guaranteed a slot in the team
 
Tendulkar was selfish and so is dhoni. Its in blood of subcontinent greats to be selfish towards the end of their career.They become larger than the game of cricket.
 
Tendulkar was selfish and so is dhoni. Its in blood of subcontinent greats to be selfish towards the end of their career.They become larger than the game of cricket.

Tendulkar was never a passenger like dhoni even in his bad days. He used to scratch around and get runs and not by dictating as he used to do untill 2000.even when india was white washed in england and aus he is the second best batsman to dravid and kohli in that tours averaging more than 35 in both series. He never struggled in odis
 
why does Dhoni suck so bad in T20Is but it is so great in IPL.

Quality of bowlers.

IPL has a mix of good and bad quality and you get your freebies.

Dhoni has smashed international class bowlers in IPL too but that's in the end once he is set. Those slam bang from the start innings are less and against quality bowlers even lesser.

The sample sets of his success in IPL and failure T20I are way too huge for any other explanation to be possible.
 
why does Dhoni suck so bad in T20Is but it is so great in IPL.
Dhoni can smash domestic Indian trundlers and mediocre spinners. Last IPL he smashed 21 runs of axar to win it for his team in the final over.
 
Tendulkar was never a passenger like dhoni even in his bad days. He used to scratch around and get runs and not by dictating as he used to do untill 2000.even when india was white washed in england and aus he is the second best batsman to dravid and kohli in that tours averaging more than 35 in both series. He never struggled in odis
He overplayed for his 100th 100. Anyway I don't want to get ire of Sachin fans :sachin
 
Retire from T20s Dhoni.

2007 WT20, 2009 WT20, 2012 WT20, 2014 WT20, 2016 WT20

ALL FAILURES yet stays in the team and plays his umpteenth stat boosting impactless T20I knock with some hits at the end.

Let's be honest:

To keep playing T20s after all this is the epitome of selfishness.

And people call Tendu selfish while hailing Dhoni's selflessness. lol.

The timing of your post reviving a 3 month old thread is a bit odd. Dhoni was the highest scoring Indian batsman today with the second highest strike rate.
 
He overplayed for his 100th 100. Anyway I don't want to get ire of Sachin fans :sachin

Absolutely agree with that comment. He overstayed for 2 yrs looking g for that 100 th century and lost a lot of good will snd a good chunk of his average which was 56 at the time of 2011 wc
 
The timing of your post reviving a 3 month old thread is a bit odd. Dhoni was the highest scoring Indian batsman today with the second highest strike rate.

Yeah. More in line with his meaningless stat boosting knocks which didnt help his team in any way. What will india achieve by playing a proven failure in his entire t 20 career?
 
Don't worry guys he is not going anywhere. Every Indian legend retires only on his own terms. Nobody will ever be kicked out. The home production team ( read Star ) building him up at the drop of a hat helps .
 
Can't say Dhoni is that selfish . He gave up captiancy in LOI's fully knowing that that put his position at a much higher risk than ever . So he atleast has the willingness to fight it out..

But he always sucked in T20's , now this is getting pathetic. He needs to be dropped ASAP. Poor wicketkeeping costs you very little in T20's , to justify a player playing for his keeping alone. Blood a youngster !. Pant must be tried.. No need for old keepers like Saha or DK here.. Parthiv can be tried since he's an aggressive opener as well ..
 
Can't say Dhoni is that selfish . He gave up captiancy in LOI's fully knowing that that put his position at a much higher risk than ever . So he atleast has the willingness to fight it out..

But he always sucked in T20's , now this is getting pathetic. He needs to be dropped ASAP. Poor wicketkeeping costs you very little in T20's , to justify a player playing for his keeping alone. Blood a youngster !. Pant must be tried.. No need for old keepers like Saha or DK here.. Parthiv can be tried since he's an aggressive opener as well ..

He gave up captaincy so that he could buy time by taking advantage of common notion that without captaincy burden he could flourish like old , which is utter ridiculous. It helps that the people with power and the broadcasting media is on your side. He has lost his mojo for atleast 2 years now. He should concentrate on IPL only , for money.
 
Can't say Dhoni is that selfish . He gave up captiancy in LOI's fully knowing that that put his position at a much higher risk than ever . So he atleast has the willingness to fight it out..

But he always sucked in T20's , now this is getting pathetic. He needs to be dropped ASAP. Poor wicketkeeping costs you very little in T20's , to justify a player playing for his keeping alone. Blood a youngster !. Pant must be tried.. No need for old keepers like Saha or DK here.. Parthiv can be tried since he's an aggressive opener as well ..

Good point you make of dhoni leaving captaincy.However if you remember shashtri hinting they wanted to give kohli the captaincy for all formats while dhoni play as a player.However they put hold on it. Who knows what goes behind the scene. Even if dhoni himself took that decision I do think it should have come much earlier. Better late than never though.
 
I don't see a problem with MS the ODI player. Yes he is not the same finisher, but he is still good enough to bat at #4 for India.
 
I don't see a problem with MS the ODI player. Yes he is not the same finisher, but he is still good enough to bat at #4 for India.

Beg to differ. He just roadblocks the momentum. He is not skilful enough to find gaps. His only saving grace was brutal power which kind of regressed dramatically now.
 
He gave up captaincy so that he could buy time by taking advantage of common notion that without captaincy burden he could flourish like old , which is utter ridiculous. It helps that the people with power and the broadcasting media is on your side. He has lost his mojo for atleast 2 years now. He should concentrate on IPL only , for money.

I don't think that is the case now. Everyone is on Kohli's side .. Saw the power shift happening as soon as Shastri had taken over.
Kohli is not as much of a brat to explicitly criticize Dhoni ( which Saurav & MS have done to their senior players in the past ) . So we don't see that many sparks flying . But the selection committee will have given clear guidelines to MS on what is expected of him now.. Hope they boot him soon after CT2017 if he plays poorly . He is not the man for the 2019 WC.

Good point you make of dhoni leaving captaincy.However if you remember shashtri hinting they wanted to give kohli the captaincy for all formats while dhoni play as a player.However they put hold on it. Who knows what goes behind the scene. Even if dhoni himself took that decision I do think it should have come much earlier. Better late than never though.

I think it's more of a face saving gesture from Dhoni. The selection commitee may have made their intentions clear. Dhoni would have found it easier to buy a bit of breathing space by giving up his captiancy rather than taking on the selectors and playing another match under immense scrutiny .
 
I don't think that is the case now. Everyone is on Kohli's side .. Saw the power shift happening as soon as Shastri had taken over.
Kohli is not as much of a brat to explicitly criticize Dhoni ( which Saurav & MS have done to their senior players in the past ) . So we don't see that many sparks flying . But the selection committee will have given clear guidelines to MS on what is expected of him now.. Hope they boot him soon after CT2017 if he plays poorly . He is not the man for the 2019 WC.

Don't feel that way. That clown MSK Prasad twisting and turning over Dhoni captaincy matter indicates MSD has hold in right places. He is not going away even after Champions trophy .
 
Don't feel that way. That clown MSK Prasad twisting and turning over Dhoni captaincy matter indicates MSD has hold in right places. He is not going away even after Champions trophy .

Hey atleast now MSK Prasad can go up to Dhoni and discuss his future ! Back when Don :srini
reigned, the cheif selector (Amarnath ) lost his job !.. Dhoni occupied a realm of power very few had reached in Indian cricket , so bringing him down from it all of a sudden wont be easy.
 
I am Sachins greatest fan . But even for me also he retired 2 years too late. Yes he was making some odd runs here n there. But for a team aspiring to be best ,those were not good enough. MSD is doing exactly that right now.
 
I am Sachins greatest fan . But even for me also he retired 2 years too late. Yes he was making some odd runs here n there. But for a team aspiring to be best ,those were not good enough. MSD is doing exactly that right now.

Yes and he is doing that in t20s from many years now. He is a useless t20 player.
 
Dhoni has 33 not outs in 64 T20I innings which inflates his average to 37 (with a pathetic strike rate of 122). The thing is how many of those 33 not outs were actually match winning or match turning innings?

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/28081.html?class=3;template=results;type=allround;view=match
 
Lets be honest here, India never really had a good enough wicket-keeper to make the team in the past couple of years. Saha and Parthiv were always an option, even Karthik doing well in the IPL but all had their flaws and Dhoni was still better than all of them. Another reason he was always in the t/20 team was because his captaincy was extremely vital and his IPL performances were given a lot of importance. Now, however, it is safe to say someone like Pant should replace him.
 
Lets be honest here, India never really had a good enough wicket-keeper to make the team in the past couple of years. Saha and Parthiv were always an option, even Karthik doing well in the IPL but all had their flaws and Dhoni was still better than all of them. Another reason he was always in the t/20 team was because his captaincy was extremely vital and his IPL performances were given a lot of importance. Now, however, it is safe to say someone like Pant should replace him.

This is true we did not have good alternatives as WK batsman. All we have had were ttf's. D karthik, P Patel etc. But now we have new prospects they may or may not be better but they are the future and dhoni should be the past.
 
This is true we did not have good alternatives as WK batsman. All we have had were ttf's. D karthik, P Patel etc. But now we have new prospects they may or may not be better but they are the future and dhoni should be the past.

Pant needs to be given a couple of series. He seems to be the next word class player for the Indian team. However, his keeping will be the real test because Dhoni's main reason of being in the team is his exceptional keeping.
 
The irony is Dhoni was selected primarily for his batting skills . His early keeping was not up to the mark. That improved along the way.
 
Pant needs to be given a couple of series. He seems to be the next word class player for the Indian team. However, his keeping will be the real test because Dhoni's main reason of being in the team is his exceptional keeping.
In t20s keeping doesn't matter much,isn't it? Actually even when we had no alternatives in t20s we should have selected those who can bat better.
 
Do you have stats regarding how many not outs in odi compared to innings he bat in.I suspect its higher as well.

25 percent of his innings are not outs. That is an abnormally high number which contributed to his average in odis.

He is the most hyped player who doesnt have a single century outside of india, pak, ban. In pak he scored 1 test century and 1 oneday century against namibia. He scored single odi century in ban

He is what u call a subcontinent bully who fares miserably everywhere outside of it. He doesnt have one outstanding innings in any format outside of india. But His fans regard him As a better player than sachin, gilly, ponting, lara
 
Can't say Dhoni is that selfish . He gave up captiancy in LOI's fully knowing that that put his position at a much higher risk than ever . So he atleast has the willingness to fight it out..

But he always sucked in T20's , now this is getting pathetic. He needs to be dropped ASAP. Poor wicketkeeping costs you very little in T20's , to justify a player playing for his keeping alone. Blood a youngster !. Pant must be tried.. No need for old keepers like Saha or DK here.. Parthiv can be tried since he's an aggressive opener as well ..

India don't play LOI cricket before CT, so you could say Yuvraj and Dhoni retained their place primarily because they don't play test cricket its good to have any kind of international cricket under your belt before an all important CT.

I don't see MSD and Yuvraj fitting into India's t20 plans after CT.
 
Dhoni (56 from 36) and Raina (63 from 45) were the best Indian batsmen today. He was also India's best batsman in the first T20. He still has it.
 
Dhoni (56 from 36) and Raina (63 from 45) were the best Indian batsmen today. He was also India's best batsman in the first T20. He still has it.

Raina is the best batsman in both t 20 s and not dhoni
 
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