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"My best cricketing years are ahead of me" : Junaid Khan

MuhammedMeow said:
All this doesn't matter. Irfan is a superb fielder and :raja clearly rates him, as everytime he comes on to bowl Rambo starts going on about his height, 'bounce' etc, although thankfully Rambo has stopped those strange 'Pipe factory' anecdotes.

Seriously though, why drop JK when he was looking great, as if he had finally completed his recovery. He was bowling like the old JK, picking up big wickets and showing great intelligence and accuracy. Brainless on Afridi's part, just like his treatment of Yamin. Hope to see him make the cut In sha Allah as there is still time for squad updates.
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Well I agree with you on most parts.

Junaid was unlucky to miss out. When zalmi qualified for playoffs they wanted to give a chance to Hasan Ali. Hasan impressed and also went at just 6 an over so they opted to carry him for next game aswell. This way Junaid missed out.

Junaid impressed me in PSL. I think overall he went under 7.50 per over and got wickets of KP & Gayle at crucial times for Zalmi.

I just have one concern.

When he bowls from his around the wicket to right hand batsman and bowls ful pitched deliveries than whether the flex is under 15 degrees or not ?

The new protocol is very sensitive wrt spinners who just walk in and ball infront of 24 plus cameras and with the player wearing those sensors.

But whether this new protocol is as sensitive for pacers or not I am not sure because fast bowler runs in and bowls. Are the cameras and sensors as effective and as efficient as for spinners ? I don't know.

Al Amin Hossain also looked suspicious but he cleared the testing procedure. If Junaid gets reported than can he clear the test ? I am not sure.

Alot of PP members believe that he will fail the test.


Irfan looked miserable in last odi vs NZ and in first two PSL games and was not even touching 135 kph but than he was dropped for 3,4 games and Wasim Akram worked on his release points as I pointed out that he was releasing the ball to early in his delivery stride. So Irfan had an Eco of 8.82 in first 2,3 matches of PSL but when he came back to playing eleven his speeds improved and he was touching 138 139kph once again and his Eco in his last 2,3 ganes was under 7.50.

Personally I don't rate Irfan much especially now since he does not bowl 145kph now and needs bouncy hard surfaces to be lethal. Let's see whether against India the Adrenalin rush can increase his pace or not. If he can bowl 137kph plus predominantly in Asia cup except for slower bowls than he will be effective but if his seam up deliveries are bowled at under 85 mph than he won't be difficult for opposing teams. PSL proved this point.

Ramiz glorifies him and starts comparing him with Joel Garner too often. What I feel is that Irfan bowled exceptionally well against IND in IND and against SA in SA. His fitness was better than and he was left arm fast than. Now he is sometimes left arm medium fsst and sometimes left arm fast medium. That was his peak and it got over 2 years ago. We over played him unnecessarily hence he got injured frequently. And he did not recover fully from hairline fracture of pelvis and medical panel cleared him and he played couple of domestic games and again felt pain and scans showed fracture did not heal fully so he was out of cricket for 8 months rather than 4 months and this huge lay off resulted in pace dip prematurely.
 
surely its too soon for junaid. he's shown glimpses of his previous form, but to be selected it has to be consistency, not glimpses. I would love to see him back at his best, not least because he seems an honest hard worker, and did have exceptional skills at his best. but i think he needs many more wickets under his belt to show he is back, rather than it just being a fluke. two wickets of prime batsmen in a t20 league proves nothing at all.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Well I agree with you on most parts.

Junaid was unlucky to miss out. When zalmi qualified for playoffs they wanted to give a chance to Hasan Ali. Hasan impressed and also went at just 6 an over so they opted to carry him for next game aswell. This way Junaid missed out.

Junaid impressed me in PSL. I think overall he went under 7.50 per over and got wickets of KP & Gayle at crucial times for Zalmi.

I just have one concern.

When he bowls from his around the wicket to right hand batsman and bowls ful pitched deliveries than whether the flex is under 15 degrees or not ?

The new protocol is very sensitive wrt spinners who just walk in and ball infront of 24 plus cameras and with the player wearing those sensors.

But whether this new protocol is as sensitive for pacers or not I am not sure because fast bowler runs in and bowls. Are the cameras and sensors as effective and as efficient as for spinners ? I don't know.

Al Amin Hossain also looked suspicious but he cleared the testing procedure. If Junaid gets reported than can he clear the test ? I am not sure.

Alot of PP members believe that he will fail the test.


Irfan looked miserable in last odi vs NZ and in first two PSL games and was not even touching 135 kph but than he was dropped for 3,4 games and Wasim Akram worked on his release points as I pointed out that he was releasing the ball to early in his delivery stride. So Irfan had an Eco of 8.82 in first 2,3 matches of PSL but when he came back to playing eleven his speeds improved and he was touching 138 139kph once again and his Eco in his last 2,3 ganes was under 7.50.

Personally I don't rate Irfan much especially now since he does not bowl 145kph now and needs bouncy hard surfaces to be lethal. Let's see whether against India the Adrenalin rush can increase his pace or not. If he can bowl 137kph plus predominantly in Asia cup except for slower bowls than he will be effective but if his seam up deliveries are bowled at under 85 mph than he won't be difficult for opposing teams. PSL proved this point.

Ramiz glorifies him and starts comparing him with Joel Garner too often. What I feel is that Irfan bowled exceptionally well against IND in IND and against SA in SA. His fitness was better than and he was left arm fast than. Now he is sometimes left arm medium fsst and sometimes left arm fast medium. That was his peak and it got over 2 years ago. We over played him unnecessarily hence he got injured frequently. And he did not recover fully from hairline fracture of pelvis and medical panel cleared him and he played couple of domestic games and again felt pain and scans showed fracture did not heal fully so he was out of cricket for 8 months rather than 4 months and this huge lay off resulted in pace dip prematurely.
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I don't know about his action tbh. I never found it suspicious. If he was reported, (God forbid) I'm sure he would either be safe or probably rectify it easily enough, as it's probably much tougher for spinners than for pacers (or he could even stick to over the wicket, so definitely not a deal breaker). I believe Al-Amin was also made to repair his action in the past and he seems to be doing fine. It's very important for JK to stay fit and avoid injuries in order to make a return, though.
 
All that excitement and hype surrounding Junaid regaining his so-called lost rhythm fizzled out quickly. He went back to his mediocre self as the PSL progressed and his sole achievement was getting Gayle out a few times who is badly out of form.

Junaid is done and dusted. Just not good enough anymore for this level and I'm glad the selectors have looked beyond this second coming of Umar Gul.

Also, he is a chucker.
 
Mamoon said:
All that excitement and hype surrounding Junaid regaining his so-called lost rhythm fizzled out quickly. He went back to his mediocre self as the PSL progressed and his sole achievement was getting Gayle out a few times who is badly out of form.

Junaid is done and dusted. Just not good enough anymore for this level and I'm glad the selectors have looked beyond this second coming of Umar Gul.

Also, he is a chucker.
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Call him Mediocre but don't make baseless allegations of chucking on him.

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AlphaFighter said:
Call him Mediocre but don't make baseless allegations of chucking on him.

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You can call it what you like, but this is my view. His action does not look clean to me and I will be very surprised if his straightening is below 15 degrees.
 
Mamoon said:
You can call it what you like, but this is my view. His action does not look clean to me and I will be very surprised if his straightening is below 15 degrees.
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hes been playing for 5 years internationally, not one ump has reported him! i think they know how to do their jobs
 
Should have been in the Asia cup, pitches would have suited him
 
Mamoon said:
All that excitement and hype surrounding Junaid regaining his so-called lost rhythm fizzled out quickly. He went back to his mediocre self as the PSL progressed and his sole achievement was getting Gayle out a few times who is badly out of form.

Junaid is done and dusted. Just not good enough anymore for this level and I'm glad the selectors have looked beyond this second coming of Umar Gul.

Also, he is a chucker.
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no, he is not a chucker until he is reported and tested.
 
hk031992 said:
no, he is not a chucker until he is reported and tested.
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Sure, people said the same about Ajmal. He has been lucky to have played almost no cricket since the Big 3 takeover. If he gets picked again and bowls with his current action, he will get called and there is a very high chance he'll fail the test.

You can thank me later. Meanwhile you can brand me an armchair bio-mechanic expert or whatever; you've the liberty to do so.
 
The people who were bullied by Junaid Khan in their school playground will continue their crusade to defame him as much as possible but the signs are good that JK is returning back to his best.

It is a good decision to not pick him for the T20 WC because just like Amir, T20 is his weakest format and his confidence would have likely been crushed had an FTB taken him to the cleaners.

With Irfan getting older, Junaid needs to be drafted back into our ODI squad so we can once again utilize the services of a bowler who in 2013, was one of the top three wicket-takers in this format at an average that Wasim Akram would have been proud of. In tests, he should be a starter as well, since he is a better bowler than Rahat and Imran.
 
Was slapped around and couldn't take wickets against England's A side but should be brought back to the national team. Wonderful.
 
I do hope Junaid can get back to full fitness and become a force once again, particularly in the shorter formats.
 
Looking forward to seeing him bowl gun-barrel straight in conditions where Anderson will move the ball square.
 
Mamoon said:
Looking forward to seeing him bowl gun-barrel straight in conditions where Anderson will move the ball square.
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I don't know why and I really mean not to offend you but it seems you have some solid beef with Juni for the past couple of years. Is it the fact that you just simply dislike the guy or this aggressive approach towards one of the better and well mannered servants of Pakistan cricket because of cricketing reasons ??

You seem a very sane and thought provoking poster but this kind of bashing is totally uncalled for and highly surprising.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
I don't know why and I really mean not to offend you but it seems you have some solid beef with Juni for the past couple of years. Is it the fact that you just simply dislike the guy or this aggressive approach towards one of the better and well mannered servants of Pakistan cricket because of cricketing reasons ??

You seem a very sane and thought provoking poster but this kind of bashing is totally uncalled for and highly surprising.
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Mujhay aap se yehi ghatya sawal ki umeed thi. :afridi
 
Last thing Pakistan needs is to have its pacers waste the new ball in England, and Junaid has perfected that art.
 
Mamoon said:
Looking forward to seeing him bowl gun-barrel straight in conditions where Anderson will move the ball square.
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ahmedwaqas92 said:
I don't know why and I really mean not to offend you but it seems you have some solid beef with Juni for the past couple of years. Is it the fact that you just simply dislike the guy or this aggressive approach towards one of the better and well mannered servants of Pakistan cricket because of cricketing reasons ??

You seem a very sane and thought provoking poster but this kind of bashing is totally uncalled for and highly surprising.
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What Mamoon said is correct, though.

He's a gun barrel straight bowler, an Umar Gul 2.0 just like Imran Khan. They can't swing the ball and it has left me frustrated countless number of times when the new ball was wasted.

Junaid had excellent old ball skills though, used to reverse and bowl well at the death. But that too is gone now, thanks to his injury. No pace either.
 
Actually [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is indirectly calling his friend [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] to this thread.


Mamoon will be proved right unless Junaid Khan improves his fitness levels exponentially in next 2 weeks with lots of hard training & plenty of Proteins intake.

Currently his fitness is very very poor wrt Test Cricket.

[MENTION=136079]ahmedwaqas92[/MENTION] yes He hates Imran Khan, Younis Khan & Junaid Khan uptil heavens. It's well documented.

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Hawkeye said:
What Mamoon said is correct, though.

He's a gun barrel straight bowler, an Umar Gul 2.0 just like Imran Khan. They can't swing the ball and it has left me frustrated countless number of times when the new ball was wasted.

Junaid had excellent old ball skills though, used to reverse and bowl well at the death. But that too is gone now, thanks to his injury. No pace either.
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So is Bhuvi winning the battle?:wasim
 
Let's see what junaid has his old ball skills are good but the new ball is what will be of use to us in England. Rahat and ehsan are more than likely ahead of him selectors views anyway. Amir will definitely open with the new ball, there is a battle to see who his partner will be
 
First he needs to get his fitness, line and length back then he should have been selected.

Has been a nothing bowler for the last 2-3 years.


Another shoddy selection :sanga
 
Hawkeye said:
What Mamoon said is correct, though.

He's a gun barrel straight bowler, an Umar Gul 2.0 just like Imran Khan. They can't swing the ball and it has left me frustrated countless number of times when the new ball was wasted.

Junaid had excellent old ball skills though, used to reverse and bowl well at the death. But that too is gone now, thanks to his injury. No pace either.
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I would take anything that Mamoon says with a pinch of salt.

At one point he rated Junaid alot higher than Amir, and then when Junaid had injury trouble and stopped performing all of sudden Junaid became Umar Gul 2.0.

Same with Shehzad, he hated Shehzad with a passion when all of PP was praising him, and then when PP'ers started hating on Shehzad, Mamoon shahab instantly became his fan.


Basically he likes to act as a devil's advocate. Whichever cricketer a majority of PP'ers support Mamoon will go against him and vice versa.
 
Syed1 said:
I would take anything that Mamoon says with a pinch of salt.

At one point he rated Junaid alot higher than Amir, and then when Junaid had injury trouble and stopped performing all of sudden Junaid became Umar Gul 2.0.

Same with Shehzad, he hated Shehzad with a passion when all of PP was praising him, and then when PP'ers started hating on Shehzad, Mamoon shahab instantly became his fan.


Basically he likes to act as a devil's advocate. Whichever cricketer a majority of PP'ers support Mamoon will go against him and vice versa.
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Playing devil's or anyone's advocate is beneath me. I can't stand in a line like sheep, I will say what I have to say, regardless of what others think.

I am of course prepared to change my stance if I feel like it.
 
Expected so much from this guy after 2013. But seems all done and dusted. Even if he comes back fit he doesn't seem to know how to handle the new ball.
 
Hasan123 said:
Bhuvi has left him for dust. India should get bhuvi in test team ASAP he can swing the new ball.
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Mamoon said:
Easily. He's like 10x better with the new ball.
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Lol you guys are talking as if BK is Wasim Akram and JK is a nothing bowler. Junaid has had the better career so far though both have been in and out of the team. Not sure how Junaid is bowling these days but heard he was impressive in the PSL. Both are medium fast bowlers and their lack of pace goes against them and have to tackle that with swing. The concern of most people with Bhuvi was whether he had lost his swing by going for pace. But he was very good in the lone Asia cup match he played and has been very impressive with the new ball for hyderabad in this year's IPL.

However it's one thing to perform in T20 leagues and it's another to perform in Tests. Both Bhuvi and Junaid's lack of pace will mean that they would be useless on flat tracks aka in Australia. Both have interesting tours coming ahead. Junaid heads to England where BK had a good series last time in an otherwise disastrous tour for India. Bhuvi heads to the west indies where the slow and low tracks will suit his kind of bowling. Will be interesting to see how both go about in their respective tours.
 
street cricketer said:
Lol you guys are talking as if BK is Wasim Akram and JK is a nothing bowler. Junaid has had the better career so far though both have been in and out of the team. Not sure how Junaid is bowling these days but heard he was impressive in the PSL. Both are medium fast bowlers and their lack of pace goes against them and have to tackle that with swing. The concern of most people with Bhuvi was whether he had lost his swing by going for pace. But he was very good in the lone Asia cup match he played and has been very impressive with the new ball for hyderabad in this year's IPL.

However it's one thing to perform in T20 leagues and it's another to perform in Tests. Both Bhuvi and Junaid's lack of pace will mean that they would be useless on flat tracks aka in Australia. Both have interesting tours coming ahead. Junaid heads to England where BK had a good series last time in an otherwise disastrous tour for India. Bhuvi heads to the west indies where the slow and low tracks will suit his kind of bowling. Will be interesting to see how both go about in their respective tours.
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Bhuvi is better than Junaid. Watching him in the ipl he seems to be getting some form back and will do well in favourable conditions. Lost confidence in Junaid tbh hope he proves me wrong
 
street cricketer said:
So is Bhuvi winning the battle?:wasim
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B Kumar is the better T20 bowler.

In Tests, his 120kph pace goes against him... similarly in ODIs too (remember how he was manhandled in SA tour?).

I'm not sure how they compare now. Junaid might still be just a bit better in Tests due to 130-140kph pace and reverse swing ability (if he still has it).
 
Hawkeye said:
B Kumar is the better T20 bowler.

In Tests, his 120kph pace goes against him... similarly in ODIs too (remember how he was manhandled in SA tour?).

I'm not sure how they compare now. Junaid might still be just a bit better in Tests due to 130-140kph pace and reverse swing ability (if he still has it).
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Lol Bhuvi is most definitely bowling faster than Junaid now. Bowls many in the 135-140 range and few in the low 140s.
 
Hawkeye said:
B Kumar is the better T20 bowler.

In Tests, his 120kph pace goes against him... similarly in ODIs too (remember how he was manhandled in SA tour?).

I'm not sure how they compare now. Junaid might still be just a bit better in Tests due to 130-140kph pace and reverse swing ability (if he still has it).
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He was pretty good in England in the Test series, troubled the English batsmen with his swing, but yes Junaid is more useful in the subcontinent because he is/was quicker and could reverse the ball better. Still, he can't use the new ball like him.

However, Junaid looks finished now while Bhuvi seems in very good shape at the moment. I think he will be back in the Test team soon, and given that India is playing a lot of matches at home in the next 15 months or so, it will be a good challenge for him.
 
His best days are way behind him, and it's in his best interests to not get selected. He will be called for chucking if he returns.
 
hussain.r97 said:
Wasn't that his worst format, even when he was his peak?...
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He's been bowling well at the death of late, particularly England Lions, so I guess this could be his best format for now. All his overs can be used at the death. Though TBH, even in T20Is, I would want him to start from the bench.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Going for the ODI camp at NCA Lahore... this is very important for me... declined CPL's team Jamaica's offer for this camp... (1/2)</p>— Junaid khan 83 (@JunaidkhanREAL) <a href="https://twitter.com/JunaidkhanREAL/status/759611851005161473">July 31, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Inshallah i am hopeful to make a strong comeback in the ODI series against England... keep me in your prayers... (2/2)</p>— Junaid khan 83 (@JunaidkhanREAL) <a href="https://twitter.com/JunaidkhanREAL/status/759612190747926528">July 31, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Have been following today's match on both sky and bbc radio and on both of these platforms the English commentators can't stop praising Khan and several mention that they're surprised he hasn't had more chances for Pakistan in recent years. On the back of his Lancashire spells the locals rate him highly.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Going for the ODI camp at NCA Lahore... this is very important for me... declined CPL's team Jamaica's offer for this camp... (1/2)</p>— Junaid khan 83 (@JunaidkhanREAL) <a href="https://twitter.com/JunaidkhanREAL/status/759611851005161473">July 31, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Inshallah i am hopeful to make a strong comeback in the ODI series against England... keep me in your prayers... (2/2)</p>— Junaid khan 83 (@JunaidkhanREAL) <a href="https://twitter.com/JunaidkhanREAL/status/759612190747926528">July 31, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Look at that, a man who loves wearing the green performing like a man who loves wearing the green.

That is what Pakistan cricket needs. It needs more Junaid Khans and less Wahab Riazs.
 
Superb bowler when on song, MashAllah. Supported him from day one and will continue to because he's just that good. Him and Amir will establish themselves as the best opening bowlers in the world, in a couple of years, InshAllah.

Much better than Bhuvneshwar, not a choker (averaging 19 in this tournament) and if Pakistan and India make the final, will own Virat Kohli once again.
 
3 out of 3 games for Junaid with good performances. Goes to show how great some experts we have on here. Some people are born to speak trash..waiting for these experts to come and say how this was also a fluke. LOL.
 
After he had faded I didn't think Junaid would be able to make a successful comeback but fair play, I got to give him full credit for proving everyone wrong and doing well for his country
 
You just want him to do well. Might not have the same venom he had when he first arrived but still a massive improvement over wahab. He should have been given time after that knee surgery but was written off.
 
Lot of people should be eating humble pie but seems they were all sent to [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION]
 
junaid khan has finally returned
i hope from here he atleast plays for next 5 years
 
Junaid Khan is a lot better than given credit for. He single handedly carried our attack in Amir's absence from 2011 to 2014 and that also on dead wickets mostly.
 
Azhar is working very hard with him wrt technical aspects aswell as fitness. He is hopeful that He will revive his Pace.

His pace is improving.

2 months off season plus camp of 4-5 weeks at NCA we will see him bowl more better and faster too.


Getting wicket of World's best number 6 Odi batsman will give him lots of confidence going forward.
 
Junaid Khan's future in test cricket?

I am out of loop, any chances of Junaid Khan coming back to Test cricket?
 
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