My first interaction with a Pakistani university student

[Major]

I recently joined Bahria University. I was sitting in the cafe today, when 1 guy sitting accross me was sipping on a Shezan juice. The guy sitting opposite to him said to him that he shouldn't drink this juice. The drinker asked why? To which the guy replied that Shezan is owned by Ahmedis.

I always knew that the anti-shia, anti-ahmedi sentiments existed in Pakistan. But what i did not know that such sentiments are even in existence in Universities. Just shows no matter what degree you could end up getting in your life, some people will stay stupid.

I learned today that Education is not about having a degree but more about how rational you are.

 

[Slog]

Good job generalising one incident to Pakistani university students?

Also despite living in Pakistan for 4-5 years this is your 'first' interaction with a Pakistani university student?

Seems like you were itching to make a thread with this story for a long time...

 

[CricketCartoons]

What flavour of juice was it, if I may ask?

 

[Eagle_Eye]

What flavour of juice was it, if I may ask?

Mango

 

[finalfantasy7]

Well we all know thr cannot be university students in other countries do don't say similar things

 

[Major]

Good job generalising one incident to Pakistani university students?

Also despite living in Pakistan for 4-5 years this is your 'first' interaction with a Pakistani university student?

Seems like you were itching to make a thread with this story for a long time...

1) first interaction where i had to hear such stupid sentiments.

2) this happened today.

A single student represents a University. Every person here represents something.

 

[Slog]

Also more baffling to me is your utter shock of there being extremism in Pakistani society and belief that a student would be above such extremist thoughts...

Literally did you land in Pakistan yesterday!

 

[Major]

Also more baffling to me is your utter shock of there being extremism in Pakistani society and belief that a student would be above such extremist thoughts...

Literally did you land in Pakistan yesterday!

again, i never expected such views from educated sector of the society.

I knew such stupid views existed, but not from those who were attending good universities

 

[Slog]

Also the classic Shehzan juice story which I see 10 different people narrate every year to make the same point about this new found realisation that Pakistani society holds extremist views in general

Always the guy is close enough to listen to exactly what happened and isn't lost in his own thoughts for not to overhear the conversation

 

[Slog]

again, i never expected such views from educated sector of the society.

I knew such stupid views existed, but not from those who were attending good universities

I guess you were too sheltered then because this really isn't a shock to most people

This is such a huge and sad issue to begin with because it isn't in the fringes of society but among the middle class and educated

 

[Eagle_Eye]

I recently joined Bahria University. I was sitting in the cafe today, when 1 guy sitting accross me was sipping on a Shezan juice. The guy sitting opposite to him said to him that he shouldn't drink this juice. The drinker asked why? To which the guy replied that Shezan is owned by Ahmedis.

I always knew that the anti-shia, anti-ahmedi sentiments existed in Pakistan. But what i did not know that such sentiments are even in existence in Universities. Just shows no matter what degree you could end up getting in your life, some people will stay stupid.

I learned today that Education is not about having a degree but more about how rational you are.

Things are more nuanced if you care delve deeply.

Ahmedis are dictated by their religion to give a certain percentage to the community coffers .... the community leaders aka the khalifa then uses that for amongst other things, a large prostelysing arm that goes to poor communities around the world particularly Africa and Asia to convert them to their brand of religion.

Ahmed's ought to come out and say that none of their profits go to prostelysing any religion....

I personally abhor the idea of prostelysing, especially to poor people, which essentially is taking advantage of their predicament.

 

[DW44]

I always knew that the anti-shia, anti-ahmedi sentiments existed in Pakistan. But what i did not know that such sentiments are even in existence in Universities. Just shows no matter what degree you could end up getting in your life, some people will stay stupid.

Saad Aziz? Noreen Laghari? Mashal Khan? How is this incident shocking to you, it's not even that bad by Pakistani standards when you consider that Pakistani universities have, in recent years, produced high profile terrorists like Laghari and Aziz, been the scene of a religiously motivated lynching,had guest lectures from Hafiz Saeed (UET Lahore), opened the campus mosque to LeJ/SSP for recruitment (GIK but this is from 2002-03, not sure if it still happens), and have several campuses where IJT are king.

Forget chaanga manga universities, I was at LUMS for a year and there were two incidents of this kind there of all places, in one year. One involved our Philosophy of Freedom professor, a Frenchwoman, being accused of blasphemy by a student (in one of her lectures she claimed god can't possibly be omnipotent) though no legal charges were pursued due to the diplomatic mess charging a French citizen with blasphemy would have created. The second involved a friend who was Hindu. He ended up suspended for a quarter (LUMS didn't have semesters back then) after being falsely accused of hurting people's religious sentiments (I was present during the argument that led to the conflict and the actual blasphemy was commited against his religion, not by him). This all was when Tableeghi Jamat had just started spreading it's tentacles there. Things aren't that great now even compared to then.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Saad Aziz? Noreen Laghari? Mashal Khan? How is this incident shocking to you, it's not even that bad by Pakistani standards when you consider that Pakistani universities have, in recent years, produced high profile terrorists like Laghari and Aziz, been the scene of a religiously motivated lynching,had guest lectures from Hafiz Saeed (UET Lahore), opened the campus mosque to LeJ/SSP for recruitment (GIK but this is from 2002-03, not sure if it still happens), and have several campuses where IJT are king.

Forget chaanga manga universities, I was at LUMS for a year and there were two incidents of this kind there of all places, in one year. One involved our Philosophy of Freedom professor, a Frenchwoman, being accused of blasphemy by a student (in one of her lectures she claimed god can't possibly be omnipotent) though no legal charges were pursued due to the diplomatic mess charging a French citizen with blasphemy would have created. The second involved a friend who was Hindu. He ended up suspended for a quarter (LUMS didn't have semesters back then) after being falsely accused of hurting people's religious sentiments (I was present during the argument that led to the conflict and the actual blasphemy was commited against his religion, not by him). This all was when Tableeghi Jamat had just started spreading it's tentacles there. Things aren't that great now even compared to then.

Exactly. And things are getting worse by the minute.. Previously the hate was only limited to seculars or Ahmedi's, now it is moving onto Liberals and even Shittes.

 

[DW44]

Exactly. And things are getting worse by the minute.. Previously the hate was only limited to seculars or Ahmedi's, now it is moving onto Liberals and even Shittes.

Not sure if you came across it but there was an article on Dawn recently that quoted senior security and political officials predicting that the next wave of terrorists in Pakistan would come from universities, not madrassas. Having some, albeit not much, experience with Pakistan's universities, I can't disagree. In all the hubbub over madrasas, people completely overlook how effective our formal education system is at turning children into extremists that espouse ideologies very similar to those of the various terrorist organizations operating here which is why it doesn't take much for IS or LeJ to win over a Saad Aziz or Noreen to their cause.

 

[DRsohail]

[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] i was told the same by one of class fellow ....yes it is harsh reality..

 

[DRsohail]

Not sure if you came across it but there was an article on Dawn recently that quoted senior security and political officials predicting that the next wave of terrorists in Pakistan would come from universities, not madrassas. Having some, albeit not much, experience with Pakistan's universities, I can't disagree. In all the hubbub over madrasas, people completely overlook how effective our formal education system is at turning children into extremists that espouse ideologies very similar to those of the various terrorist organizations operating here which is why it doesn't take much for IS or LeJ to win over a Saad Aziz or Noreen to their cause.

i dont think tableghi people are that hasrher as the ijt and religious parties plus groups..??

 

[DRsohail]

[MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] i think tablegh is doing a nice job by not allowing people to go to these pseudo jihad things

 

[DW44]

[MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] i think tablegh is doing a nice job by not allowing people to go to these pseudo jihad things

I see them as more of a gateway drug towards more extreme ideologies sort of like how marijuana was once said to be a gateway to harder drugs (incorrectly in marijuana's case but that's irrelevant).

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Whatever happened to drinks like Mecca cola and Qibla cola? Back in the day at universities in the uk you would find people, generally hizbut Tahir type guys, protesting against Pepsi and Coca-Cola's links to Israel. The anti Pepsi slogan was something like 'PEPSI = pay every penny to support Israel'.

As a result alternative colas were launched.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Whatever happened to drinks like Mecca cola and Qibla cola? Back in the day at universities in the uk you would find people, generally hizbut Tahir type guys, protesting against Pepsi and Coca-Cola's links to Israel. The anti Pepsi slogan was something like 'PEPSI = pay every penny to support Israel'.

As a result alternative colas were launched.

Not enough people cared, most of the Muslims in the UK would just buy Pepsi or Coke.

 

[finalfantasy7]

Whatever happened to drinks like Mecca cola and Qibla cola? Back in the day at universities in the uk you would find people, generally hizbut Tahir type guys, protesting against Pepsi and Coca-Cola's links to Israel. The anti Pepsi slogan was something like 'PEPSI = pay every penny to support Israel'.

As a result alternative colas were launched.

I remember qibla cola and mecca cola - both of them did a a bitter cheap taste - remember the talk at hizbut tehrir

 

[Syed1]

LOL what an attention seeking thread. So a conversation between two students is meant to generalize ALL of Pakistani university students. You didn't even tell us what the other student did? Did he retort back to the guy asking him to stop drinking?


And funny you clump anti-Ahmedi with anti-Shia, considering that 30% of Pakistan is Shia. If we had a massive Shia problem all of Pakistan would be burning.


Maybe you have been shielded from the world all your life and got all your information through the internet and this is the first instance of you actually setting out of your home.

 

[maxamax]

I recently joined Bahria University. I was sitting in the cafe today, when 1 guy sitting accross me was sipping on a Shezan juice. The guy sitting opposite to him said to him that he shouldn't drink this juice. The drinker asked why? To which the guy replied that Shezan is owned by Ahmedis.

I always knew that the anti-shia, anti-ahmedi sentiments existed in Pakistan. But what i did not know that such sentiments are even in existence in Universities. Just shows no matter what degree you could end up getting in your life, some people will stay stupid.

I learned today that Education is not about having a degree but more about how rational you are.

Ignore, the same people wouldn't mind being enslaved by nooras or bhuttos.

 

[JaDed]

Hate when then the story is left hanging in middle,what happened in the end??

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

The Shezan thing is well known but i think its still teh best selling fruit juice on Pakistan .

 

[Slog]

Hate when then the story is left hanging in middle,what happened in the end??

Give him some time to compete it

 

[DW44]

The Shezan thing is well known but i think its still teh best selling fruit juice on Pakistan .

That stuff is too good. The fruit punch one is better than the more popular mango flavored one though.

 

[Syed1]

That stuff is too good. The fruit punch one is better than the more popular mango flavored one though.

Honestly growing up I was more a fan of Slice than Shezan.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

haha mazay ho rahy hain canteen mai ragging nahi hui ??

 

[Slog]

Honestly growing up I was more a fan of Slice than Shezan.

Frooto is GOAT

 

[Slog]

Shehzan was way behind the times btw

It didn't have the small pack till like 5-6 years ago!!!!

 

[Syed1]

Frooto is GOAT

Yeah nothing comes close to Frooto LMAO

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

On a side note the good thing is after 4 years the guy who dislike Ahmadis and want to boycott them will have his views changed if he lives in Islamabad and an open minded person. This is the good point about uni life and Baharia is kind of open uni where he will interact with different people who are not shy to express their views.

Till Fsc kids usually dont know about such things and say & believe what they are being told.

 

[Suleiman]

As said above you're generalizing based off of one student.

You are in a university, that in itself encourages free thinking and people will have all sorts of opinions.

Living in the West I hear about universities where former graduates and sometimes even current students inviting White supremacists for lectures, and by the same token the rest of the university body strongly opposes it and imposes a ban on them.

Good and bad people exist in every facet of life. You being at university doesn't magically make everybody tolerant and accepting over there.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The world is a nice place but one needs to see it. The bad apples are only 0.001% of humanity, and should not be used to generalize, because the majority are peace loving people busy making an honest living.

 

[Napa]

And funny you clump anti-Ahmedi with anti-Shia, considering that 30% of Pakistan is Shia. If we had a massive Shia problem all of Pakistan would be burning.

Those extra 24% Shias must be hiding in those 10 to 15 Karachi skyscrapers which also no one other than you can find. Only 6% of Pakistan's population who are Shia are visible to the rest of the world:

On the other hand, in Pakistan, where 6% of the survey respondents identify as Shia

http://www.pewforum.org/2012/08/09/the-worlds-muslims-unity-and-diversity-executive-summary/

 

[Slog]

The world is a nice place but one needs to see it. The bad apples are only 0.001% of humanity, and should not be used to generalize, because the majority are peace loving people busy making an honest living.

Sometimes you just blow my mind

 

[Syed1]

Those extra 24% Shias must be hiding in those 10 to 15 Karachi skyscrapers which also no one other than you can find. Only 6% of Pakistan's population who are Shia are visible to the rest of the world:



http://www.pewforum.org/2012/08/09/the-worlds-muslims-unity-and-diversity-executive-summary/

Let the census results come out and you will know exact number and where they are hiding.

 

[Yossarian]

Also more baffling to me is your utter shock of there being extremism in Pakistani society and belief that a student would be above such extremist thoughts...

Literally did you land in Pakistan yesterday!

He must have been asleep and missed the media coverage of those students beaten to death by religious extremist students because they disagreed with his views.

 

[Yossarian]

Things are more nuanced if you care delve deeply.

Ahmedis are dictated by their religion to give a certain percentage to the community coffers .... the community leaders aka the khalifa then uses that for amongst other things, a large prostelysing arm that goes to poor communities around the world particularly Africa and Asia to convert them to their brand of religion.

Ahmed's ought to come out and say that none of their profits go to prostelysing any religion....

I personally abhor the idea of prostelysing, especially to poor people, which essentially is taking advantage of their predicament.

I've had young, well dressed, well educated, Mormons from America, at the door doing the same. And this is in the UK.

 

[DW44]

Honestly growing up I was more a fan of Slice than Shezan.

Slice is recent. I'm talking about the 90s when Frost and Shezan were all you could get.

 

[Major]

LOL what an attention seeking thread. So a conversation between two students is meant to generalize ALL of Pakistani university students. You didn't even tell us what the other student did? Did he retort back to the guy asking him to stop drinking?


And funny you clump anti-Ahmedi with anti-Shia, considering that 30% of Pakistan is Shia. If we had a massive Shia problem all of Pakistan would be burning.


Maybe you have been shielded from the world all your life and got all your information through the internet and this is the first instance of you actually setting out of your home.

coming from a guy who believes that shia problem doesnt exist here

 

[Major]

haha mazay ho rahy hain canteen mai ragging nahi hui ??

nope. i mind my own business, just go about my stuff quietly.

 

[Syed1]

Slice is recent. I'm talking about the 90s when Frost and Shezan were all you could get.

No no we had the Slice glass bottles in the 90s.

 

[Major]

its funny that some people in this thread are annoyed that i reported this here.

Hence, i'm being bashed here instead of the topic that im discussing.

its better to show your true colors........

 

[Major]

On a side note the good thing is after 4 years the guy who dislike Ahmadis and want to boycott them will have his views changed if he lives in Islamabad and an open minded person. This is the good point about uni life and Baharia is kind of open uni where he will interact with different people who are not shy to express their views.

Till Fsc kids usually dont know about such things and say & believe what they are being told.

I doubt it.

people never bother to see religion logically in Pakistan. Be it a uni student or someone else.

I think environments you grew up in play a big part. You end up getting brain washed soo much that you think it becomes true.

Your view only changes when you start looking religion logically. People here dont have the guts to look religion with rationality. THey think that the thought of logical religion is a blasphemous idea itself.

 

[Major]

Saad Aziz? Noreen Laghari? Mashal Khan? How is this incident shocking to you, it's not even that bad by Pakistani standards when you consider that Pakistani universities have, in recent years, produced high profile terrorists like Laghari and Aziz, been the scene of a religiously motivated lynching,had guest lectures from Hafiz Saeed (UET Lahore), opened the campus mosque to LeJ/SSP for recruitment (GIK but this is from 2002-03, not sure if it still happens), and have several campuses where IJT are king.

Forget chaanga manga universities, I was at LUMS for a year and there were two incidents of this kind there of all places, in one year. One involved our Philosophy of Freedom professor, a Frenchwoman, being accused of blasphemy by a student (in one of her lectures she claimed god can't possibly be omnipotent) though no legal charges were pursued due to the diplomatic mess charging a French citizen with blasphemy would have created. The second involved a friend who was Hindu. He ended up suspended for a quarter (LUMS didn't have semesters back then) after being falsely accused of hurting people's religious sentiments (I was present during the argument that led to the conflict and the actual blasphemy was commited against his religion, not by him). This all was when Tableeghi Jamat had just started spreading it's tentacles there. Things aren't that great now even compared to then.

i know about the above incidents, but i always took the city and the type of university into context aswell..

But maybe i was not expecting such thing at a university. dont know why. I always thought these sentiments only existed in the lower class.

Plus i was witnessing this experience first hand, so kind of shocking for me.

 

[DW44]

No no we had the Slice glass bottles in the 90s.

Only had Shezan and Tops bottles up north. Never saw Slice before 2005ish.

 

[DW44]

i know about the above incidents, but i always took the city and the type of university into context aswell..

But maybe i was not expecting such thing at a university. dont know why. I always thought these sentiments only existed in the lower class.

Plus i was witnessing this experience first hand, so kind of shocking for me.

Saad Aziz was from IBA so the university's reputation is irrelevant. In any case, Bahria Islamabad is full of such people.

 

[Slog]

people never bother to see religion logically in Pakistan. Be it a uni student or someone else.

I think environments you grew up in play a big part. You end up getting brain washed soo much that you think it becomes true.

So until a couple of hours ago you didn't even think that university students are capable of such extremist thoughts

And now you know fully well how uni students look at religious matters and whether they think logically and rationally about these said matters.

Quite a significant progress for a day

University sure is making you a genius

 

[Stewie]

I disagree with Ahmedis but that doesn't mean I should stop consuming a product because it was produced by an ahmedi.

Unless the corporation is using the profits for illegal and unethical means, I don't see any point of the statement.

Our people like to see everything in the light of righteousness, but very few are righteous!

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

F R O O T O , forrto . mango and orange , ayee hayee !

 

[Black Zero]

Also the classic Shehzan juice story which I see 10 different people narrate every year to make the same point about this new found realisation that Pakistani society holds extremist views in general

Always the guy is close enough to listen to exactly what happened and isn't lost in his own thoughts for not to overhear the conversation

Agreed, it must be a fake story as everyone knows that Pakistanis are highly cultured people.

 

[Black Zero]

Anyone who can read urdu knows that anti ahmadi material is everywhere in pakistan...you just cannot avoid this material...it's in clinics, medical stores, cloth shops, hardware stores, railway waiting rooms, public washrooms, parks, foot paths...etc. etc..
It's part of landscape...

And I can bet that you try to drink shezan mangoo juice in any park on Eid day, someone will surely come to you and remind you ...

 

[Suleiman]

F R O O T O , forrto . mango and orange , ayee hayee !

Frooto mango is stuff of legends.

During lunch time in school I would sometimes ditch my kebab roll and just go wild on that juice.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

No no we had the Slice glass bottles in the 90s.

Can't believe you guys missed Pakola (Although not a fruit drink it was pretty dope as well) [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]

 

[Syed1]

Can't believe you guys missed Pakola (Although not a fruit drink it was pretty dope as well) [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]

Funny thing is I hated Pakola when I was in Pakistan, but ever since moving away I buy it whenever I see it being sold.

 

[Badsha]

I recently joined Bahria University. I was sitting in the cafe today, when 1 guy sitting accross me was sipping on a Shezan juice. The guy sitting opposite to him said to him that he shouldn't drink this juice. The drinker asked why? To which the guy replied that Shezan is owned by Ahmedis.

I always knew that the anti-shia, anti-ahmedi sentiments existed in Pakistan. But what i did not know that such sentiments are even in existence in Universities. Just shows no matter what degree you could end up getting in your life, some people will stay stupid.

I learned today that Education is not about having a degree but more about how rational you are.

Don't know what is sadder. This or the fact you decided you'd make a thread on pakpassion about it generalizing University students.

 

[Black Zero]

Don't know what is sadder. This or the fact you decided you'd make a thread on pakpassion about it generalizing University students.

Let me help you as you cannot decide yourself. ...

Answer should be "this"

 

[Major]

So until a couple of hours ago you didn't even think that university students are capable of such extremist thoughts

And now you know fully well how uni students look at religious matters and whether they think logically and rationally about these said matters.

Quite a significant progress for a day

University sure is making you a genius

Like i said you feel annoyed that i bought up this issue here.

Closet hater maybe....

 

[CricketCartoons]

Frooto mango is stuff of legends.

During lunch time in school I would sometimes ditch my kebab roll and just go wild on that juice.

Do they have alphonso mango juice, or the usual cheaper variety? Considering they use real juice.

 

[Major]

Agreed, it must be a fake story as everyone knows that Pakistanis are highly cultured people.

problem with the posters here is that they dont feel that what the guy said was wrong, but they think is wrong is the making of this thread, bringing up this issue.

Atleast that guy was being honest with his hate, unlike posters here who are hidden

 

[Napa]

Ironically the greatest academic/scientist Pakistan has produced was Abdul Salam who was quite a devout Muslim.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] (not having a go here) but was this really your first interaction with a Pakistani University Student brother ??

 

[Napa]

Ironically the greatest academic/scientist Pakistan has produced was Abdul Salam who was quite a devout Muslim.

*Abdus

 

[Major]

[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] (not having a go here) but was this really your first interaction with a Pakistani University Student brother ??

Not really my first but used it as title.

But some closet haters have tries to divert the topic to that....

I just shared my experience of anti sentiments. I cant discuss such sentiments in public here in pakistan as its quite difficult

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Not really my first but used it as title.

But some closet haters have tries to divert the topic to that....

I just shared my experience of anti sentiments. I cant discuss such sentiments in public here in pakistan as its quite difficult

I am not too sure how Pakistani universities operate (in general) because quite frankly I have never attended one ~ I took my professinoal qualifications in the Far East but as far as my inqusition goes the general populace of a university will naturally be built around and from the society it adhers to, which is why if a society is conservative, irrational, and generally intolerant (to some lesser extent) the students enrolling would have all the latter traits.

The sad part is that even with such a product coming into a University it should be the job of lecturers and other academic reformers to change the said mindset however, in Pakistan education is seen as a business and because of this very reason nation building and sharing of progressive ideas (which are coherently necessarily) to shape the future of our very nation are not specifically done at these institutions. Plus every university that is under the wing of our Higher Education Commission is politicized and align themselves to certain rationales which in turn forward agendas of folks who are either:

(a) In Authority
(b) Seeking Authority

Such a notion will never let students develop a free-thinking capacity and therefore even at Universities in Pakistan you will find hordes of highly educated, high achieving personnel making and justifying claims that to put midly (are a direct human rights disaster) ~ To put it shortly 'Issay Kehtain Hain Para Likha Jahil'

It will take another few generations to actually hash this type of a mentality out of the Pakistan and that is if we start now!

 

[DW44]

Can't believe you guys missed Pakola (Although not a fruit drink it was pretty dope as well) [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]

The green one is heavenly. A few years ago I'd routinely drive from Islamabad to Multan with my boss and before every trip I'd get two 1.5 liter bottles of the green stuff.

 

[Slog]

Like i said you feel annoyed that i bought up this issue here.

Closet hater maybe....

Yes I AM a closet hater. That must be it

You seem pretty annoyed and frustrated that I am questioning your story.

Sign of things?

 

[Slog]

Can't believe you guys missed Pakola (Although not a fruit drink it was pretty dope as well) [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]

It IS dope!

 

[big_gamer007]

Well since this is first interactions with Pakistani's thread I would like to share my experience..

I was in UK for last 3 odd months so in my entire stay I found British Pakistanis to be more welcoming and friendly than any Indian I found.. Brit Pakistanis came to meet me whenever anyone saw me standing alone.. They were very courteous and polite and it felt like they crave for friendship between our two countries.. One of them even took me to a Pakistani Resteraunt he worked in and refused to take money from me.. Granted few of them probably only came to meet me so they can get free cigarettes from me lol but still all of them I met who themselves come to greet you saying Indian Indian actually gave me a feeling of home..

Compared to that I felt Brit Indians whom I met are generally into their own and do not approach any stranger just because he/she is from their own homeland.. Which is fine I guess to each their own..
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION] [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] [MENTION=131867]London_Lahori[/MENTION]

 

[Major]

Yes I AM a closet hater. That must be it

You seem pretty annoyed and frustrated that I am questioning your story.

Sign of things?

So wait you say that i shouldnt be shocked to see such yhings then say my story is fake.


You just contradicted yourself.

I under this topic could be an issue for you, thus you dont have to post here

 

[shaz619]

Well since this is first interactions with Pakistani's thread I would like to share my experience..

I was in UK for last 3 odd months so in my entire stay I found British Pakistanis to be more welcoming and friendly than any Indian I found.. Brit Pakistanis came to meet me whenever anyone saw me standing alone.. They were very courteous and polite and it felt like they crave for friendship between our two countries.. One of them even took me to a Pakistani Resteraunt he worked in and refused to take money from me.. Granted few of them probably only came to meet me so they can get free cigarettes from me lol but still all of them I met who themselves come to greet you saying Indian Indian actually gave me a feeling of home..

Compared to that I felt Brit Indians whom I met are generally into their own and do not approach any stranger just because he/she is from their own homeland.. Which is fine I guess to each their own..
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION] [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] [MENTION=131867]London_Lahori[/MENTION]

Personally I've never met many Indians from India itself but I'd have done the same. I can't speak for all the British Indians because am sure there are quiet a few out there who'd have treated you the same. But there have been times where both Brit Indians and Pakistani's sort of look down on those from Pakistan / India , I think Brit Pakistani's still do from Pakistan itself especially; they call those who are from Pakistan "freshy's" or "fresh-pots", obviously they may have had bad experiences here and there but it still does not justify generalisations and at times they will look at them a certain way with no provocation whatsoever.

I think both Brit Pakistani's and Indians think they are extremely advanced in comparison to the people of their origin in every shape and form, many of them are folk who are well off / don't appreciate how good life has been to them so given how there's poverty in India and Pakistan they sort look down on such people if you know what I mean, which also explains why Brit Pakistani's rarely focus their charitable efforts in Pakistan itself because they deem the people as folk who are not worthy of their help etc.

However, that's just my experiences from the inner city. At uni the sentiment has been a bit different where I've seen folk born in India get along just fine with British Indians. I have a friend from Faislabad as well and have helped him a lot when it comes to filling out things like jobs applications, he's a very smart mathematician but English wasn't his strong suit; anyhow he has said that not every Brit Pakistani has been kind to him like I've, one of his best friends happened to be from the Indian punjab; he said for all the fighting back home, in the UK his best friendship was with an Indian from the punjab, it just goes to show how stupid the border wars are because at the end of the day you only have each other in the grand scheme.

 

[Slog]

So wait you say that i shouldnt be shocked to see such yhings then say my story is fake.


You just contradicted yourself.

I under this topic could be an issue for you, thus you dont have to post here

the extremism prevalent in a Pakistani campus is not surprising

the story is though

ive heard this story atleast 10 times. and most of the guys were making it up.

thats why im doubting its veracity

regardless the issue is genuine and i guess to discuss a topic we can always use a story to illustrate the problem

 

[Major]

the extremism prevalent in a Pakistani campus is not surprising

the story is though

ive heard this story atleast 10 times. and most of the guys were making it up.

thats why im doubting its veracity

regardless the issue is genuine and i guess to discuss a topic we can always use a story to illustrate the problem

The whole event took place at my table. All were class fellows

 

[Slog]

The whole event took place at my table. All were class fellows

ok. i believe you

what did the guy drinking the juice say?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Well since this is first interactions with Pakistani's thread I would like to share my experience..

I was in UK for last 3 odd months so in my entire stay I found British Pakistanis to be more welcoming and friendly than any Indian I found.. Brit Pakistanis came to meet me whenever anyone saw me standing alone.. They were very courteous and polite and it felt like they crave for friendship between our two countries.. One of them even took me to a Pakistani Resteraunt he worked in and refused to take money from me.. Granted few of them probably only came to meet me so they can get free cigarettes from me lol but still all of them I met who themselves come to greet you saying Indian Indian actually gave me a feeling of home..

Compared to that I felt Brit Indians whom I met are generally into their own and do not approach any stranger just because he/she is from their own homeland.. Which is fine I guess to each their own..
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION] [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] [MENTION=131867]London_Lahori[/MENTION]

The great thing about life is that in reality it's rarely as horrible as online forums. Imagine if you based all your opinions on people based on what you read on the internet? But some people don't get out much and so they end up using stats and surveys and you can't really blame them, what else have they got to go on?

 

[Major]

ok. i believe you

what did the guy drinking the juice say?

he wasnt bothered about it. But another guy sitting with us told him how everything in the world is too complicated to discuss such a thing. Like how nestle and other companies are own by other religions. I and another guy refrained from getting into such a discussion

 

[ToeCrusher2]

he wasnt bothered about it. But another guy sitting with us told him how everything in the world is too complicated to discuss such a thing. Like how nestle and other companies are own by other religions. I and another guy refrained from getting into such a discussion

How come? That's very unlike you, major

 

[Major]

How come? That's very unlike you, major

because of the country i live in.

now adays you could be charged with blasphemy on whatsapp, this was real life