My first interaction with a Pakistani university student

[Kianig89]

To OP get use to it uni life is full of surprises you will come across every type of discussion from religion to politics to love to pron

 

[PakLFC]

Well since this is first interactions with Pakistani's thread I would like to share my experience..

I was in UK for last 3 odd months so in my entire stay I found British Pakistanis to be more welcoming and friendly than any Indian I found.. Brit Pakistanis came to meet me whenever anyone saw me standing alone.. They were very courteous and polite and it felt like they crave for friendship between our two countries.. One of them even took me to a Pakistani Resteraunt he worked in and refused to take money from me.. Granted few of them probably only came to meet me so they can get free cigarettes from me lol but still all of them I met who themselves come to greet you saying Indian Indian actually gave me a feeling of home..

Compared to that I felt Brit Indians whom I met are generally into their own and do not approach any stranger just because he/she is from their own homeland.. Which is fine I guess to each their own..
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION] [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] [MENTION=131867]London_Lahori[/MENTION]

You are right for once. Pakistanis are far warmer and genuine people compared to Indians. An open minded person does not only socialise with their own people like Indian people mostly do.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Well since this is first interactions with Pakistani's thread I would like to share my experience..

I was in UK for last 3 odd months so in my entire stay I found British Pakistanis to be more welcoming and friendly than any Indian I found.. Brit Pakistanis came to meet me whenever anyone saw me standing alone.. They were very courteous and polite and it felt like they crave for friendship between our two countries.. One of them even took me to a Pakistani Resteraunt he worked in and refused to take money from me.. Granted few of them probably only came to meet me so they can get free cigarettes from me lol but still all of them I met who themselves come to greet you saying Indian Indian actually gave me a feeling of home..

Compared to that I felt Brit Indians whom I met are generally into their own and do not approach any stranger just because he/she is from their own homeland.. Which is fine I guess to each their own..
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION] [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] [MENTION=131867]London_Lahori[/MENTION]

I've heard people from Eastern Europe say the same, even though they are white in skin colour , they often find it difficult to get on with white English but seem to get a better welcome from British Pakistani's. People are welcoming in from all ethnicity but from my experience, a brown face is a fellow 'brother'. I know on this forum there is the odd arguments with Indian posters but in life, Pakistani's and Indians in the UK get on really well, generally.

 

[saeedhk]

Saad Aziz? Noreen Laghari? Mashal Khan? How is this incident shocking to you, it's not even that bad by Pakistani standards when you consider that Pakistani universities have, in recent years, produced high profile terrorists like Laghari and Aziz, been the scene of a religiously motivated lynching,had guest lectures from Hafiz Saeed (UET Lahore), opened the campus mosque to LeJ/SSP for recruitment (GIK but this is from 2002-03, not sure if it still happens), and have several campuses where IJT are king.

Forget chaanga manga universities, I was at LUMS for a year and there were two incidents of this kind there of all places, in one year. One involved our Philosophy of Freedom professor, a Frenchwoman, being accused of blasphemy by a student (in one of her lectures she claimed god can't possibly be omnipotent) though no legal charges were pursued due to the diplomatic mess charging a French citizen with blasphemy would have created. The second involved a friend who was Hindu. He ended up suspended for a quarter (LUMS didn't have semesters back then) after being falsely accused of hurting people's religious sentiments (I was present during the argument that led to the conflict and the actual blasphemy was commited against his religion, not by him). This all was when Tableeghi Jamat had just started spreading it's tentacles there. Things aren't that great now even compared to then.

To add to your point, Ansar al Sharia, a newly-emerged militant group, consists on university students and graduates. During their attempted assassination on Eid's day of MQM's Khawaja Izhar ul Hassan, one of the attackers who was killed in retaliatory firing by the police, was a PhD candidate and a professor of physics/engineering at a private university in the metropolitan city.

The mastermind, who is on the run, is a second year physics student. Officials have said that new batch of terrorists will emerge from tertiary institutes.

 

[DW44]

To add to your point, Ansar al Sharia, a newly-emerged militant group, consists on university students and graduates. During their attempted assassination on Eid's day of MQM's Khawaja Izhar ul Hassan, one of the attackers who was killed in retaliatory firing by the police, was a PhD candidate and a professor of physics/engineering at a private university in the metropolitan city.

The mastermind, who is on the run, is a second year physics student. Officials have said that new batch of terrorists will emerge from tertiary institutes.

AuS is just 10-12 guys and AFAIK most have been arrested. That said, I concur with the bit about the next wave of terrorists emerging from universities, particularly campuses where IJT, Tableeghi Jamat or, in one case (Islamic University in Islamabad, a hub of extremism), the Saudis have influence.

 

[big_gamer007]

I've heard people from Eastern Europe say the same, even though they are white in skin colour , they often find it difficult to get on with white English but seem to get a better welcome from British Pakistani's. People are welcoming in from all ethnicity but from my experience, a brown face is a fellow 'brother'. I know on this forum there is the odd arguments with Indian posters but in life, Pakistani's and Indians in the UK get on really well, generally.

You are right for once. Pakistanis are far warmer and genuine people compared to Indians. An open minded person does not only socialise with their own people like Indian people mostly do.

The great thing about life is that in reality it's rarely as horrible as online forums. Imagine if you based all your opinions on people based on what you read on the internet? But some people don't get out much and so they end up using stats and surveys and you can't really blame them, what else have they got to go on?

True I even met your Air Force they were staying in same hotel as me they came for air tattoo show pretty good chaps even they were kind and warm and talking to them makes you feel no one cares for animosity it's just that the people in power fuel the hatred to make people hate each other when they can't actually talk to other side and realise they are same as us...

 

[big_gamer007]

I've heard people from Eastern Europe say the same, even though they are white in skin colour , they often find it difficult to get on with white English but seem to get a better welcome from British Pakistani's. People are welcoming in from all ethnicity but from my experience, a brown face is a fellow 'brother'. I know on this forum there is the odd arguments with Indian posters but in life, Pakistani's and Indians in the UK get on really well, generally.

You are right for once. Pakistanis are far warmer and genuine people compared to Indians. An open minded person does not only socialise with their own people like Indian people mostly do.

The great thing about life is that in reality it's rarely as horrible as online forums. Imagine if you based all your opinions on people based on what you read on the internet? But some people don't get out much and so they end up using stats and surveys and you can't really blame them, what else have they got to go on?

Personally I've never met many Indians from India itself but I'd have done the same. I can't speak for all the British Indians because am sure there are quiet a few out there who'd have treated you the same. But there have been times where both Brit Indians and Pakistani's sort of look down on those from Pakistan / India , I think Brit Pakistani's still do from Pakistan itself especially; they call those who are from Pakistan "freshy's" or "fresh-pots", obviously they may have had bad experiences here and there but it still does not justify generalisations and at times they will look at them a certain way with no provocation whatsoever.

I think both Brit Pakistani's and Indians think they are extremely advanced in comparison to the people of their origin in every shape and form, many of them are folk who are well off / don't appreciate how good life has been to them so given how there's poverty in India and Pakistan they sort look down on such people if you know what I mean, which also explains why Brit Pakistani's rarely focus their charitable efforts in Pakistan itself because they deem the people as folk who are not worthy of their help etc.

However, that's just my experiences from the inner city. At uni the sentiment has been a bit different where I've seen folk born in India get along just fine with British Indians. I have a friend from Faislabad as well and have helped him a lot when it comes to filling out things like jobs applications, he's a very smart mathematician but English wasn't his strong suit; anyhow he has said that not every Brit Pakistani has been kind to him like I've, one of his best friends happened to be from the Indian punjab; he said for all the fighting back home, in the UK his best friendship was with an Indian from the punjab, it just goes to show how stupid the border wars are because at the end of the day you only have each other in the grand scheme.

I think the ones I met are probably freshies or were not the well off Pakistanis as they were mostly not good at English and worked in Resteraunt or drove taxis.. The Indians mostly I found were in my work place so they did not care about a fellow brown face but the Pakistanis(freshies) probably were warmer since they aren't yet absorbed by the "I am better than desi" syndrome.. Give them one or two generation and they might become the same..

If I had met an Indian cab driver or a non IT Indian who struggled to get over there I am pretty sure they would have been welcoming as well but generally what I have felt is Indians hate Indians and only get united over issues like Kashmir/cricket/online trolling.. Otherwise we like to keep to ourselves though from what I have seen Indians also bunch up and live in ghettos like south hall which is very surprising to me because I would have thought Indians would rather live in white areas than live with other Indians..

 

[London_Lahori]

Well since this is first interactions with Pakistani's thread I would like to share my experience..

I was in UK for last 3 odd months so in my entire stay I found British Pakistanis to be more welcoming and friendly than any Indian I found.. Brit Pakistanis came to meet me whenever anyone saw me standing alone.. They were very courteous and polite and it felt like they crave for friendship between our two countries.. One of them even took me to a Pakistani Resteraunt he worked in and refused to take money from me.. Granted few of them probably only came to meet me so they can get free cigarettes from me lol but still all of them I met who themselves come to greet you saying Indian Indian actually gave me a feeling of home..

Compared to that I felt Brit Indians whom I met are generally into their own and do not approach any stranger just because he/she is from their own homeland.. Which is fine I guess to each their own..
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION] [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] [MENTION=131867]London_Lahori[/MENTION]

Whereabouts did you stay when you were here?

 

[big_gamer007]

Whereabouts did you stay when you were here?

Stayed in Swindon mate holiday inn express but half the weekends I spent with at my sisters place in London and other half weekends I visited wales, Scotland or places like bath, Bristol, Manchester etc..

 

[London_Lahori]

Stayed in Swindon mate holiday inn express but half the weekends I spent with at my sisters place in London and other half weekends I visited wales, Scotland or places like bath, Bristol, Manchester etc..

Cool, did you get to visit any nice places around London.

 

[big_gamer007]

Cool, did you get to visit any nice places around London.

TBH I didnt really like London as much as Edinburgh or Cardiff or even Swindon was better for a quieter life.. London is more of a city life with lots of tourists so it's always busy and I found people over there not so friendly compared to smaller towns of U.K.. I visited most of the places in London I found one Pakistani guy through work friends who sells attraction tickets for 10 pounds per attraction so it's way cheaper than booking it online..

Visited London eye, madam tussauds, river cruise, Greenwich, emirates cable cart, sea world, SOHO street for nightlife, Buckingham palace etc..

One of my colleagues even attended the LGBT parade which happened in London..

My sister lives in Bromley so I liked that place quiet town was peaceful compared to hustle and bustle of London..

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Way to generalize. Universities everywhere around the world are full of all types of people

 

[Slog]

but generally what I have felt is Indians hate Indians and only get united over issues like Kashmir/cricket/online trolling.. Otherwise we like to keep to ourselves though from what I have seen Indians also bunch up and live in ghettos like south hall which is very surprising to me because I would have thought Indians would rather live in white areas than live with other Indians..

this reminds me of one of the ATG Funny incidents I have ever seen in my life

an indian bengali cabbie with broken english getting into a confrontation with an indian punjabi cabbie in times square and threatening with a variation of 'I'll beat you up and send you back to where you came from.'

Post the confrontation, the guy comes back into the cab and says without a hint of irony - 'Bloody too many dirty Indians in new york.'

 

[big_gamer007]

this reminds me of one of the ATG Funny incidents I have ever seen in my life

an indian bengali cabbie with broken english getting into a confrontation with an indian punjabi cabbie in times square and threatening with a variation of 'I'll beat you up and send you back to where you came from.'

Post the confrontation, the guy comes back into the cab and says without a hint of irony - 'Bloody too many dirty Indians in new york.'

Hahaha yea it's funny how much hate Indians have for each other.. Maybe hate is not the right word but Indians in general like to feel superior than the other Indians.. Same culture is here in Delhi where people like to subdue lesser people than themselves..

But yea you must have had a good laugh when he did that ��

 

[Syed1]

this reminds me of one of the ATG Funny incidents I have ever seen in my life

an indian bengali cabbie with broken english getting into a confrontation with an indian punjabi cabbie in times square and threatening with a variation of 'I'll beat you up and send you back to where you came from.'

Post the confrontation, the guy comes back into the cab and says without a hint of irony - 'Bloody too many dirty Indians in new york.'

That reminds of me of the time I was looking to purchase some property. I went to a realtor who happened to be Indian he had good English but wasn't born in Canada and was first generation immigrant. We were going through listings and potential areas I would like to live in.

I really liked one building, its location, build quality and unit layout. I suggested we go see it.


And I kid you not this is what he said to me:


"You don't want to live in that building, there are too many Indians in it"

I was shocked, I said but you are Indian too. He said "Yeah but that doesn't mean I would like to go live in a building full of Indians"

LOL

 

[HussainRx8]

problem with the posters here is that they dont feel that what the guy said was wrong, but they think is wrong is the making of this thread, bringing up this issue.

Atleast that guy was being honest with his hate, unlike posters here who are hidden

The problem is the socially sheltered world that you were living in to not realize that Ahmedi persecution in Pakistan is rampant. It would manifest itself at every cross-section of society.

 

[Black Zero]

The problem is the socially sheltered world that you were living in to not realize that Ahmedi persecution in Pakistan is rampant. It would manifest itself at every cross-section of society.

Thats is the core issue and most posters trying their best not to address it.