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"My fitness is not an issue" : Sadaf Hussain

[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]
The bottom line for Sadaf is that he is yet another left-armer who is lower down the pecking order than:

1. Wahab Riaz
2. Rahat Ali
3. Mohammad Irfan
4. Mohammad Amir
5. Mir Hamza
6. Zia-ul-Haq

And it hurts him that he is the slowest of those bowlers.

Everything that you have written is correct, but it's not the key.

The key is that at best he is going to be Pakistan's third seamer when/if he gets into the team.

And the only way a new bowler is going to break into the team as third seamer is if:

1. He is exceptionally quick, or
2. He can bat better than the army of other left-arm quicks.

Realistically, Sadaf needs to fix his batting. He should have batted up the order in English club cricket and he needs to do intensive coaching and net work to get his batting to the point where the selectors don't say "well, we'd get more runs out of Ehsan Adil than Sadaf Hussain, so we're picking him".

He doesn't have to become Brian Lara. But he has to be able to score occasional Test 40s and 50s and 60s like Starc or Hazlewood or Southee at the very least.
 
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[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]
The bottom line for Sadaf is that he is yet another left-armer who is lower down the pecking order than:

1. Wahab Riaz
2. Rahat Ali
3. Mohammad Irfan
4. Mohammad Amir
5. Mir Hamza
6. Zia-ul-Haq

And it hurts him that he is the slowest of those bowlers.

Everything that you have written is correct, but it's not the key.

The key is that at best he is going to be Pakistan's third seamer when/if he gets into the team.

And the only way a new bowler is going to break into the team as third seamer is if:

1. He is exceptionally quick, or
2. He can bat better than the army of other left-arm quicks.

Realistically, Sadaf needs to fix his batting. He should have batted up the order in English club cricket and he needs to do intensive coaching and net work to get his batting to the point where the selectors don't say "well, we'd get more runs out of Ehsan Adil than Sadaf Hussain, so we're picking him".

He doesn't have to become Brian Lara. But he has to be able to score occasional Test 40s and 50s and 60s like Starc or Hazlewood or Southee at the very least.

As much hard he works on his batting day night with best coaches he can only score maximum 10 , 12 runs in test cricket. I want him to just up his pace by 5 to 8 kph and increase his fitness that's it. We will happily slot him at Chris Martin's number , number 11.
 
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]
The bottom line for Sadaf is that he is yet another left-armer who is lower down the pecking order than:

1. Wahab Riaz
2. Rahat Ali
3. Mohammad Irfan
4. Mohammad Amir
5. Mir Hamza
6. Zia-ul-Haq

And it hurts him that he is the slowest of those bowlers.

Everything that you have written is correct, but it's not the key.

The key is that at best he is going to be Pakistan's third seamer when/if he gets into the team.

And the only way a new bowler is going to break into the team as third seamer is if:

1. He is exceptionally quick, or
2. He can bat better than the army of other left-arm quicks.

Realistically, Sadaf needs to fix his batting. He should have batted up the order in English club cricket and he needs to do intensive coaching and net work to get his batting to the point where the selectors don't say "well, we'd get more runs out of Ehsan Adil than Sadaf Hussain, so we're picking him".

He doesn't have to become Brian Lara. But he has to be able to score occasional Test 40s and 50s and 60s like Starc or Hazlewood or Southee at the very least.
He is not slower than half of them, but he is taller than more than half

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He needs to be given a chance in tests and then perhaps later on ODI's. There must be something against him if he hasn't even been picked for Pakistan A

It's the other way around. Whereas the Test squad is relatively successful and stable, and Tests are few and far between, ODI's are a dime a dozen and Pakistan's is loosing most of them anyway. An LA bowling Ave of 18 suggest Sadaf would be better than both Irfan and Rahat, indeed also Wahab, as well as any other young gun, ie Mir Hamza or Zia ul Haq, who for all their prowess in FC cricket, both average a middling 30 in LA domestics. If he regains fitness, he should be an automatic selection next time Irfan breaks down. He could hardly be a worse bat.
 
It's the other way around. Whereas the Test squad is relatively successful and stable, and Tests are few and far between, ODI's are a dime a dozen and Pakistan's is loosing most of them anyway. An LA bowling Ave of 18 suggest Sadaf would be better than both Irfan and Rahat, indeed also Wahab, as well as any other young gun, ie Mir Hamza or Zia ul Haq, who for all their prowess in FC cricket, both average a middling 30 in LA domestics. If he regains fitness, he should be an automatic selection next time Irfan breaks down. He could hardly be a worse bat.

Yes, and the scary part is that List A averages of Pakistani bowlers are closer to their corresponding ODI averages, whereas FC bowling averages are nowhere close to the corresponding Test bowling averages from what I have observed.

So my suggestion would be, get Mir in Tests and Sadaf in ODIs in order to test both.
 
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Yes, and the scary part is that List A averages of Pakistani bowlers are closer to their corresponding ODI averages, whereas FC bowling averages are nowhere close to the corresponding Test bowling averages from what I have observed.

So my suggestion would be, get Mir in Tests and Sadaf in ODIs in order to test both.

My impression as well. Which is why it is so galling that Rahat is being persisted with. He never looked like he would do well in ODIs. And while it is of course possible that he could be a different package in England and Australia, so presumably could however is beating him hands down in domestic comparison. Would be fascinating to look at how this correlation pans out over a larger sample. But the point is borne out also by other teams I think, not least the English side that just humiliated Pakistan; there is much to be said for ODI specialists.
 
Sadaf hussain debut to international cricket (Countdown thread)

when will sadaf hussain get a chance to play for pakistan , he has best statistics in pakistan domestic strike rate of 22 in list A , averages 18 in fc and list , over 250 wickets in 50 odf fc games , he has been man of the series in pakistan A tours , what more does he need to get selected.
 
Sadaf is currently on number 8 position in highest wicket takers in QEA trophy with 33 wickets.

But he has a golden chance to be mong top 3 wicket takers this year as the 2nd highest wicket taker is Ehsan Adil with 41 wickets.

So sadaf has a chance to become 2nd or 3rd highest wicket taker for that KRL has to win their next game.

If Sadaf gets into top 3 wicket takers this season than he will again get selected for Pakistan A squad. And if he performs there than he may play for Pakistan soon.

KRL has drawn one match and lost one match in super eight. I think if they win next game than they will qualify for semi final of quaid e azam trophy. For that their batsman must start scoring.
 
Sadaf is currently on number 8 position in highest wicket takers in QEA trophy with 33 wickets.

But he has a golden chance to be mong top 3 wicket takers this year as the 2nd highest wicket taker is Ehsan Adil with 41 wickets.

So sadaf has a chance to become 2nd or 3rd highest wicket taker for that KRL has to win their next game.

If Sadaf gets into top 3 wicket takers this season than he will again get selected for Pakistan A squad. And if he performs there than he may play for Pakistan soon.

KRL has drawn one match and lost one match in super eight. I think if they win next game than they will qualify for semi final of quaid e azam trophy. For that their batsman must start scoring.

Sadaf's problem is not the cricket board or the selectors. His main problem is himself. I think the only rational explanation for him not even making the draft of PSL is that he himself declines such opportunities when they are presented to him. In that situation, so one can force him to participate. There is no other logical explanation.

It is not that he is not pacey, and I for one would select him for the slot of spinner if the need arose. However, the frequency with which he has been "overlooked" for domestic as well as List-A tours (recently) makes me ponder if he has some ego issues, separation anxiety, or odd beliefs/psychiatric problems that make him say No to such offers, or maybe he has some tabooed disease such as HIV, which although not communicable by contact, is enough to strike fear into the hearts of national selectors. These are the only logical explanations I can come up with. Please add yours. Explanations like "He's not good enough", "He is as slow as a snail" don't count as that doesn't explain his exclusion from PSL.

From what I have seen, Sadaf has decent pace (130-135), can bowl lethal yorkers, and can swing the new ball. People who mock his pace do so because of a scorecard error a few years back, where he got a batsman out stumped.
 
Sadaf is currently on number 8 position in highest wicket takers in QEA trophy with 33 wickets.

But he has a golden chance to be mong top 3 wicket takers this year as the 2nd highest wicket taker is Ehsan Adil with 41 wickets.

So sadaf has a chance to become 2nd or 3rd highest wicket taker for that KRL has to win their next game.

If Sadaf gets into top 3 wicket takers this season than he will again get selected for Pakistan A squad. And if he performs there than he may play for Pakistan soon.

KRL has drawn one match and lost one match in super eight. I think if they win next game than they will qualify for semi final of quaid e azam trophy. For that their batsman must start scoring.
Also, he is there despite missing almost 3 games. 2 complete and one in which he could only bowl a few overs.
 
Also, he is there despite missing almost 3 games. 2 complete and one in which he could only bowl a few overs.

But he should make sure that he ends up in top 3 wicket takers because he is already 26. To be considered for Pakistan A again. For that KRL must win next game. Who are they playing next game ? Can they win it ?
 
Sadaf's problem is not the cricket board or the selectors. His main problem is himself. I think the only rational explanation for him not even making the draft of PSL is that he himself declines such opportunities when they are presented to him. In that situation, so one can force him to participate. There is no other logical explanation.

It is not that he is not pacey, and I for one would select him for the slot of spinner if the need arose. However, the frequency with which he has been "overlooked" for domestic as well as List-A tours (recently) makes me ponder if he has some ego issues, separation anxiety, or odd beliefs/psychiatric problems that make him say No to such offers, or maybe he has some tabooed disease such as HIV, which although not communicable by contact, is enough to strike fear into the hearts of national selectors. These are the only logical explanations I can come up with. Please add yours. Explanations like "He's not good enough", "He is as slow as a snail" don't count as that doesn't explain his exclusion from PSL.

From what I have seen, Sadaf has decent pace (130-135), can bowl lethal yorkers, and can swing the new ball. People who mock his pace do so because of a scorecard error a few years back, where he got a batsman out stumped.

No. He has just done it once. Due to financial issues.

He has been in 2 wasim akram's camps and one sarfraz one Aqib Javed's bowling camp. Last year I think pcb was calling him for camp but he preferred league cricket in England because he needs money. He has a young family.

Once he could not make camp or Pakistan A due to his mother's death. That is understandable.

I must say he gets injured very frequently despite being a medium fast bowler with a simple action. Also he scores low in fitness tests. So he must improve his fitness and with it he will get injured lesser times , will score better in fitness tests , will be among top 3 wicket takers more often by playing all games and will increase his pace by 5 kph still at 26.

I believe he is genuine 26 years old.

Also refer to this thread for detailed post martym of the situation of sadaf hussain. Read my yesterday's post in this thread . I think I tagged you.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?230839-Does-Sadaf-Hussain-deserve-a-chance-in-PSL
 
But he should make sure that he ends up in top 3 wicket takers because he is already 26. To be considered for Pakistan A again. For that KRL must win next game. Who are they playing next game ? Can they win it ?

Their batting needs to click. If they give something, bowlers will win it for them. They play WAPDA. They need to beat WAPDA and hope SNGPL beats Lahore. If that happens, they will be level on points with Lahore and the side with better NRR will go through.
 
No. He has just done it once. Due to financial issues.

He has been in 2 wasim akram's camps and one sarfraz one Aqib Javed's bowling camp. Last year I think pcb was calling him for camp but he preferred league cricket in England because he needs money. He has a young family.

Once he could not make camp or Pakistan A due to his mother's death. That is understandable.

I must say he gets injured very frequently despite being a medium fast bowler with a simple action. Also he scores low in fitness tests. So he must improve his fitness and with it he will get injured lesser times , will score better in fitness tests , will be among top 3 wicket takers more often by playing all games and will increase his pace by 5 kph still at 26.

I believe he is genuine 26 years old.

Also refer to this thread for detailed post martym of the situation of sadaf hussain. Read my yesterday's post in this thread . I think I tagged you.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?230839-Does-Sadaf-Hussain-deserve-a-chance-in-PSL

That was with regard to national selection. What about PSL? He is currently playing (and acing) QEA Trophy, so he seems to be fit. What is your opinion regarding his non-selection in PSL?
 
That was with regard to national selection. What about PSL? He is currently playing (and acing) QEA Trophy, so he seems to be fit. What is your opinion regarding his non-selection in PSL?

Since he hasn't made T20 cricket debut yet so I was expecting him not to be named in PSL Draft. Rawalpindi cricket association president / sabih Azhar and Sohail tanveer are responsible for him not getting picked for rawalpindi team in domestic T20.
 
Since he hasn't made T20 cricket debut yet so I was expecting him not to be named in PSL Draft. Rawalpindi cricket association president / sabih Azhar and Sohail tanveer are responsible for him not getting picked for rawalpindi team in domestic T20.

Suspicious with Sohail tanveer... he could be the reason to stop him.. sadaf might outperform tanvir and it would be shooting in his own feet to the fringes of national selection. i have seen tanvir undermining hammad like not giving overs or batting himself above him...
 
I spoke with one of the Pindi boys today and he said that Sadaf was superb with the ball.

Also he said that stories that Sadaf is too slow and just a slow medium pacer are false.
 
I spoke with one of the Pindi boys today and he said that Sadaf was superb with the ball.

Also he said that stories that Sadaf is too slow and just a slow medium pacer are false.

This just makes his absence even more mysterious.
 
That will silence some of the people here who have assumed by themselves that Sadaf's pace is too low.
 
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]
The bottom line for Sadaf is that he is yet another left-armer who is lower down the pecking order than:

1. Wahab Riaz
2. Rahat Ali
3. Mohammad Irfan
4. Mohammad Amir
5. Mir Hamza
6. Zia-ul-Haq

And it hurts him that he is the slowest of those bowlers.

Everything that you have written is correct, but it's not the key.

The key is that at best he is going to be Pakistan's third seamer when/if he gets into the team.

And the only way a new bowler is going to break into the team as third seamer is if:

1. He is exceptionally quick, or
2. He can bat better than the army of other left-arm quicks.

Realistically, Sadaf needs to fix his batting. He should have batted up the order in English club cricket and he needs to do intensive coaching and net work to get his batting to the point where the selectors don't say "well, we'd get more runs out of Ehsan Adil than Sadaf Hussain, so we're picking him".

He doesn't have to become Brian Lara. But he has to be able to score occasional Test 40s and 50s and 60s like Starc or Hazlewood or Southee at the very least.

Thumbs up!
 
That will silence some of the people here who have assumed by themselves that Sadaf's pace is too low.
I have seen him live on Tv and he looked as quick as Rahat in that match (who went for 80+ runs)

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I spoke with one of the Pindi boys today and he said that Sadaf was superb with the ball.

Also he said that stories that Sadaf is too slow and just a slow medium pacer are false.

I know u helped him a lot by even forwarding this interview to Haroon... It would be a boon if he plays for Pakistan... Mysterious to see even the good teams from Lahore, Karachi and the department side like SNGPL, PQA, NBP are not interested in him, if KRL and rawalpindi cannot help him.. If the media and public pressure can bring Amir back after 5 years even Asif and Butt getting support from the coach Waqar why not this guy a 1st chance...Getting the tainted trio back after 5 years to resurrect their career but not a chance even in A teams for a deserving guy like him..Is idiotic..
 
Sadaf Hussain is so far leading the bowling tables in the Domestic One Day Cup Tournament.

So far he has 6 wickets in 2 games at an average of 14.66 and an economy of 4.66
 
I have seen him live on Tv and he looked as quick as Rahat in that match (who went for 80+ runs)

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Rahat can bowl around 140K. I don't think Sadaf is as fast as Rahat. However, Sadaf, in my opinion, is a much smarter bowler and knows how to utilize his strengths well.

Sadaf bowls around the 130-135 range. I see a lot of Asif in him both are tall seam bowlers who can get a lot of bounce.
 
Rahat can bowl around 140K. I don't think Sadaf is as fast as Rahat. However, Sadaf, in my opinion, is a much smarter bowler and knows how to utilize his strengths well.

Sadaf bowls around the 130-135 range. I see a lot of Asif in him both are tall seam bowlers who can get a lot of bounce.

I agree with this.

Selectors should Let him prove himself as a rubbish trundler but at least give him a chance . he deserves it.
 
I spoke with one of the Pindi boys today and he said that Sadaf was superb with the ball.

Also he said that stories that Sadaf is too slow and just a slow medium pacer are false.

Thanks great work
 
Don't know when this mystery will be solved:(

Is it a mystery?

On this page alone we have seen that:

1) he scores very low in fitness tests,
2) he can't be bothered to improve his batting,
3) he has declined camp call-ups before.
4) he bowls around 130K because he is unfit,
5) he is already 26.

All of these things ring alarm bells: this sounds like a rather lazy player who has lots of skill but doesn't take advice on board and is not the player he should be.

If I were in his situation, I'd be spending hours on my fitness and hours on my batting. His current medium pace ain't getting him into the team so he needs to fix his weaknesses by improving his batting and building up his strength and pace.

But he doesn't. And I wouldn't pick a professional cricketer who makes no effort to address his weaknesses.
 
Rahat can bowl around 140K. I don't think Sadaf is as fast as Rahat. However, Sadaf, in my opinion, is a much smarter bowler and knows how to utilize his strengths well.

Sadaf bowls around the 130-135 range. I see a lot of Asif in him both are tall seam bowlers who can get a lot of bounce.

Pace 140 and swing 0 is like a bowling machine... even then u have swing,,, if u cant control the line and length the swing will end up as a loose wide-ish delivery...Mcgrath didnt bowl at 140+ but he is a top bowler in all formats..Some even question sadaf's ability to bat, why u would need a bowler to bat... Same example mcgrath have scored only one 50 in his entire career and avgs like 3 and 7 which includes a lot of Notouts too...
 
Is it a mystery?

On this page alone we have seen that:

1) he scores very low in fitness tests,
2) he can't be bothered to improve his batting,
3) he has declined camp call-ups before.
4) he bowls around 130K because he is unfit,
5) he is already 26.

All of these things ring alarm bells: this sounds like a rather lazy player who has lots of skill but doesn't take advice on board and is not the player he should be.

If I were in his situation, I'd be spending hours on my fitness and hours on my batting. His current medium pace ain't getting him into the team so he needs to fix his weaknesses by improving his batting and building up his strength and pace.

But he doesn't. And I wouldn't pick a professional cricketer who makes no effort to address his weaknesses.

read post no. #111 for your point no. 2
 
I spoke with one of the Pindi boys today and he said that Sadaf was superb with the ball.
Thank you [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] for this. Can you please get his recent bowling video from somewhere.
Also he said that stories that Sadaf is too slow and just a slow medium pacer are false
 
Is it a mystery?

On this page alone we have seen that:

1) he scores very low in fitness tests,
2) he can't be bothered to improve his batting,
3) he has declined camp call-ups before.
4) he bowls around 130K because he is unfit,
5) he is already 26.

All of these things ring alarm bells: this sounds like a rather lazy player who has lots of skill but doesn't take advice on board and is not the player he should be.

If I were in his situation, I'd be spending hours on my fitness and hours on my batting. His current medium pace ain't getting him into the team so he needs to fix his weaknesses by improving his batting and building up his strength and pace.

But he doesn't. And I wouldn't pick a professional cricketer who makes no effort to address his weaknesses.

1. He has already responded to that. Also that was only one incidence.
2. He made some good scores in league cricket in England. But that was very low level cricket which can't be taken seriously. In recent first class season though, he has averaged 11.60 with the bat. Not a massive improvement but still an improvement who had an average of 5-6. I would take 10 for a test no. 11 bat.
3. No authentic source of that.
4. He isn't unfit. Just check out how long his spells are. Bowls around 25 overs or so regularly. As for speed, no authentic source for that. Just a video of a few deliveries, that too 3,4 years old.
5. 26, not 36. A lot of pacers make their debuts after 26.
 
1. He has already responded to that. Also that was only one incidence.
2. He made some good scores in league cricket in England. But that was very low level cricket which can't be taken seriously. In recent first class season though, he has averaged 11.60 with the bat. Not a massive improvement but still an improvement who had an average of 5-6. I would take 10 for a test no. 11 bat.
3. No authentic source of that.
4. He isn't unfit. Just check out how long his spells are. Bowls around 25 overs or so regularly. As for speed, no authentic source for that. Just a video of a few deliveries, that too 3,4 years old.
5. 26, not 36. A lot of pacers make their debuts after 26.

You are still giving too much credence to Junaids. If a bowler tops your domestic charts for two years
running averaging 17 with a SR in recent years around 19, it really doesn't matter an iota whether he
averages 5 or 11 with the bat. Even less than an iota if your other bowling options, Amir and Wahab,
are very decent tailenders, capable of scoring 40s and 50s.
 
He's currently the leading wicket-taker in the National One-Day Cup with 19 wickets in 7 matches.
 
With all the talent we have in the senior team, Sadaf baji has no hope of getting selected before 30. Anwar bhai, Rahat Bhai, Ehsan bhai and Bilawal bhai are in the league of their own. Amir bhai hasn't played international cricket for 5 years, but in front of his outstanding talent, everything else becomes irrelevant. Abdul Wahab bhai is a fiery customer, and his spell against Watson warrants his selection for years to come. Each of these has at least 5 years up his sleeve, so Sadaf baji has to wait.

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Took 4-33 today

Scored 25 runs at number 5

Looks like he has lost interest in cricket
 
That's not even that bad

Last year he was head and shoulders above all the bowlers in the league he was playing, this year he's getting out bowled by his own team mates.

Feel sorry for the guy, what more can he do to get in to the Pakistan team.
 
Hope he gets a chance to play beyond the FC level so we can get a look at him, could be a mohammad asif like bowler :akhtar


He is quite good but He is not a Asif like bowler.


Asif is Once in a generation bowler and a Rarety.
 
Hasan Ali's performances vindicate the stance that domestic stats do have some value. Keep on selecting bowlers like Rahat Ali and Bilawal Bhatti for ODIs and pay the price. Amad Butt and Mir Hamza have high chances of being selected for ODIs because they fulfill these criteria as well and therefore will be favorites for our stats-agnostic selectors.
 
Hope he keeps on performing and at least get's a spot in Pakistan A.

I don't think he's getting selected to any more A tours. He was Man of the Series for two already and it counted for nought. Just as his domestic performances have counted for nought. They ignored him for the England tour, though he should have been first on the list. Most selectors are not smarter than PPers, a fair share of whom believe that there must be a reason that he is not picked anymore, because, well, there must be a reason. Selectors who *are* smart enough likely know not to mess with Shakil Shaikh, particularly now that his patron Sethi's position is even stronger in the PCB. And Inzi as we can see is neither particularly keen to rock the boat, nor perhaps that astute. Zohaib Ahmed's prospects are looking up though.

And that is the world we live in.
 
Hasan Ali's performances vindicate the stance that domestic stats do have some value. Keep on selecting bowlers like Rahat Ali and Bilawal Bhatti for ODIs and pay the price. Amad Butt and Mir Hamza have high chances of being selected for ODIs because they fulfill these criteria as well and therefore will be favorites for our stats-agnostic selectors.

I can't remember who it was on the board who did a breakdown of domestic performances a while ago and found that Sadaf and Fawad were so off the charts compared to the rest of the field as to be in their own category. That's what's really ironic about this. We can speak of bowlers "like" Rahat Ali but Sadaf has so far been a class apart.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sadaf Hussain in the wickets again in the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy. Figures of 7-85 for KRL versus Lahore Whites <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/QeATrophy?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#QeATrophy</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/920291154012319745?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2017</a></blockquote>
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He always does well in FC and has a better list A record than Hasan Ali when Wahab Rahat and others have been selected why not him averaging 19 in list A.
 
Fantastic interview. One of the reason why I am on PP is its the only platform which highlight players from all backgrounds.

For those who who are concerned about his pace and fitness, please read Sadaf's answers above.

My friend who met him in 2011 said he is an extremely humble and down to earth guy and isko iski humbleness lai dobay gi. Think he was right.
 
Poor guy again missed out in PSL while other 'FC' performers like Tabish, Abbas, Hamza got picked. Please no one say to me that he is worse than them. Clear case of nepotism, being from a small town of Chakwal and lack of connections.
 
I asked Saud Shakeel how does he rate Sadaf and he answered very tough bowler move it both ways.

Like many before another top player has good words for Sadaf.

@Ellipism [MENTION=142670]mak36[/MENTION] [MENTION=140234]DRsohail[/MENTION] [MENTION=136079]ahmedwaqas92[/MENTION] [MENTION=139754]New Yorker[/MENTION]
 
Someone should start a campaign on twitter for Qalandar to select Sadaf, since their owner said they are a ‘people’s franchise’ :))
 
I asked Saud Shakeel how does he rate Sadaf and he answered very tough bowler move it both ways.

Like many before another top player has good words for Sadaf.

@Ellipism [MENTION=142670]mak36[/MENTION] [MENTION=140234]DRsohail[/MENTION] [MENTION=136079]ahmedwaqas92[/MENTION] [MENTION=139754]New Yorker[/MENTION]

yes .its not easy to get loads of wicket with out skills.Should have played this national t20 but that sheikh guy is not allowing him i think.
 
yes .its not easy to get loads of wicket with out skills.Should have played this national t20 but that sheikh guy is not allowing him i think.

Ok even if we agree he gets 'lucky' every season with the pitches than why does this guy always get peer appreciation ? Express newspaper had a 1 page sports section daily and I clearly remember some Pakistani top batsmen of 2010/2012 time rating Sadaf as the most difficult bowler. 7 years of injustice.

But he doesn't have the pace like Wahab and other 'mysterious' reasons :)
 
Ok even if we agree he gets 'lucky' every season with the pitches than why does this guy always get peer appreciation ? Express newspaper had a 1 page sports section daily and I clearly remember some Pakistani top batsmen of 2010/2012 time rating Sadaf as the most difficult bowler. 7 years of injustice.

But he doesn't have the pace like Wahab and other 'mysterious' reasons :)

SHAKIL sheikh.
 
Don't even want to bring politics here or anything but he's from Punjab so I wonder why the PCB are giving him the cold shoulder. I really don't know why he isn't being included in the team, maybe it could be due to poor fitness but Arthur can whip him into shape. His speed might be super low but even Asif was bowling extremely well at low speeds, or it's just the assisted pitches giving him misleading stats, same way as how Hammad Azam has fantastic domestic bowling stats.
 
I asked Saud Shakeel how does he rate Sadaf and he answered very tough bowler move it both ways.

Like many before another top player has good words for Sadaf.

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No one doubts he is capable of moving the ball. However, the fact remains he was unable to pass basic fitness tests every time he was invited to the NCA.

I don't buy the whole "no connections" argument. It has merit in some situations, but there are plenty of cricketers (including in the current team) who don't have connections. Sadaf has not been topping the charts in recent times and we can't base selections on performances from years ago. Also he was never going to get selected for the PSL given he has never played a domestic t20 match. His best format is/was FC.

I respect your opinion but on this I respectfully disagree.
 
No one doubts he is capable of moving the ball. However, the fact remains he was unable to pass basic fitness tests every time he was invited to the NCA.

I don't buy the whole "no connections" argument. It has merit in some situations, but there are plenty of cricketers (including in the current team) who don't have connections. Sadaf has not been topping the charts in recent times and we can't base selections on performances from years ago. Also he was never going to get selected for the PSL given he has never played a domestic t20 match. His best format is/was FC.

I respect your opinion but on this I respectfully disagree.

Sadaf has been the second/3rd best bowler in FC this year. Rahi baat fitness ki read his interviews on PP where he clarified his fitness issues. That was bad reporting by media mainly by Geo.

'No connections' really make sense if you see his continued ignorance in telvised tournaments. In recent national t20 all the 'domestic performers' like Tabish Khan, Taj Wali, Asad Ali, Mir hamza, Sohail Khan, Aizaz Cheema etc got a chance but poor guy Sadaf was once again ignored. Watching them all bowl and seeing Sadaf I have no doubt in my mind that he is a better bowler then all of them but ignored due to having no connections and some other reasons. Being from a small town of Chakwal hasnt helped either. If you dont have

Lastly the guy has a FC avg of 18 and one day avg of 19. A deadly combination which none other has. Can swing the bowl both ways, tall, gets bounce and one of the best exponent of reverse swing. If this isnt enough he gets peer appreciation too. In a country where Wahab is hailed as superstar due to his pace, Sadaf and his stats are ignored. Sadaf's best format is test but he is comfortably a better one day bowler than likes of Wahab who played odis for Pakistan for a long time.

P.S: you sure can have disagreement :)
 
Sadaf has been the second/3rd best bowler in FC this year. Rahi baat fitness ki read his interviews on PP where he clarified his fitness issues. That was bad reporting by media mainly by Geo.

'No connections' really make sense if you see his continued ignorance in telvised tournaments. In recent national t20 all the 'domestic performers' like Tabish Khan, Taj Wali, Asad Ali, Mir hamza, Sohail Khan, Aizaz Cheema etc got a chance but poor guy Sadaf was once again ignored. Watching them all bowl and seeing Sadaf I have no doubt in my mind that he is a better bowler then all of them but ignored due to having no connections and some other reasons. Being from a small town of Chakwal hasnt helped either. If you dont have

Lastly the guy has a FC avg of 18 and one day avg of 19. A deadly combination which none other has. Can swing the bowl both ways, tall, gets bounce and one of the best exponent of reverse swing. If this isnt enough he gets peer appreciation too. In a country where Wahab is hailed as superstar due to his pace, Sadaf and his stats are ignored. Sadaf's best format is test but he is comfortably a better one day bowler than likes of Wahab who played odis for Pakistan for a long time.

P.S: you sure can have disagreement :)

For some reason my complete sentence isnt shown,

So what i wanted to wrote in that sentence is if you aren't a young pace bowling sensation like Saheen Shah or Amir, or arent pacy then its difficult to get in the limelight if you are from a small town. I know due to his pace former cricketers didnt find anything 'special' in him in training sessions and media walas don't find any masala but his combined performances in last 7 years plus the peer appreciation he got, he certainly deserved a go. Blame also goes to the likes of Waqar who backed poor bowlers like Rahat and Wahab over him. Both are much inferior bowlers than Sadaf even in one days which is not sadaf's best format. Now Sadaf is in his late 20s and his best days are going off.
 
No one doubts he is capable of moving the ball. However, the fact remains he was unable to pass basic fitness tests every time he was invited to the NCA.

I don't buy the whole "no connections" argument. It has merit in some situations, but there are plenty of cricketers (including in the current team) who don't have connections. Sadaf has not been topping the charts in recent times and we can't base selections on performances from years ago. Also he was never going to get selected for the PSL given he has never played a domestic t20 match. His best format is/was FC.

I respect your opinion but on this I respectfully disagree.

You lost your credibility there. He's been the country's best limited overs bowler for some years now. Player like Mir Hamza have also been averaging in the 19s in FC, but Sadaf is the only one to do this in LA cricket. Has topped national ODI tournament charts several years in a row, consistently besting or tying with Sohail, and Hasan Ali, who have both selected for the national team. As indeed has Sadaf, against Windies. He was just never given a chance to play by that bowling talent spotter par excellence, Waqar, who never gave up on Rahat.
 
You lost your credibility there. He's been the country's best limited overs bowler for some years now. Player like Mir Hamza have also been averaging in the 19s in FC, but Sadaf is the only one to do this in LA cricket. Has topped national ODI tournament charts several years in a row, consistently besting or tying with Sohail, and Hasan Ali, who have both selected for the national team. As indeed has Sadaf, against Windies. He was just never given a chance to play by that bowling talent spotter par excellence, Waqar, who never gave up on Rahat.

No I don't. He hasn't played a single domestic t20 match, so how can you expect a PSL side to select him? Don't take my word for it,
Sadaf says the exact same thing in his most recent interview on PP:

"I guess the problem is that I don't get selected for the other domestic Twenty20 tournaments so it would be difficult for a PSL franchise to pick me."
He deserved selection in the National T20 Cup, but the fact remains if he doesn't get picked for it his chances of getting selected in the PSL are limited. In any case, he is more of a FC bowler.
 
No I don't. He hasn't played a single domestic t20 match, so how can you expect a PSL side to select him? Don't take my word for it,
Sadaf says the exact same thing in his most recent interview on PP:


He deserved selection in the National T20 Cup, but the fact remains if he doesn't get picked for it his chances of getting selected in the PSL are limited. In any case, he is more of a FC bowler.

Your quote: "His best format is/was FC." It isn't. His best format is List A cricket. Limited overs.
 
Your quote: "His best format is/was FC." It isn't. His best format is List A cricket. Limited overs.

Actually the part you quoted in bold and took issue with was "Also he was never going to get selected for the PSL given he has never played a domestic t20 match. His best format is/was FC."

Now that Sadaf agreed with my statement you are trying to shift the goalpost. Nice try, though.
 
Actually the part you quoted in bold and took issue with was "Also he was never going to get selected for the PSL given he has never played a domestic t20 match. His best format is/was FC."

Now that Sadaf agreed with my statement you are trying to shift the goalpost. Nice try, though.

No secret what I took issue with, because I wrote it. Contrary to your assertion that "his best format is/was FC, " I pointed out that "He's been the country's best limited overs bowler for some years now" Limited overs does not only include T20 cricket. Nor did I ever say anything about T20 cricket. Glad that is settled.
 
No secret what I took issue with, because I wrote it. Contrary to your assertion that "his best format is/was FC, " I pointed out that "He's been the country's best limited overs bowler for some years now" Limited overs does not only include T20 cricket. Nor did I ever say anything about T20 cricket. Glad that is settled.

No secret with what you took issue with, because you quoted my post and put it in bold. Here it is again:

"Also he was never going to get selected for the PSL given he has never played a domestic t20 match. His best format is/was FC."

But let's say, for argument's sake, you are right and you "accidentally" highlighted the passage I wrote about the PSL and you were actually disagreeing with my statement that Sadaf's best format is FC, not LOIs.

So in your view, Sadaf's best format is limited overs and in fact you go so far as to say Sadaf is "the country's best limited overs bowler for some years now". Before we begin, I must take issue with your wording as by definition LOI includes T20 and given he has never played a domestic T20 your claim fails at the first hurdle. No problem, let's reword it to mean he is "the country's best List A bowler for some years now."

Now, to support this claim, you say he has topped the recent charts year on year. Let's deal with this claim first, before moving on to what his best format is. Perhaps you could clarify which recent List A charts he has topped year on year?

Because I took a look at the most recent information and the stats don't back up your bold claim. He wasn't even selected for the 2017 Pakistan Cup so let's move on:

2016/2017 Regional One Day Cup:

9 wickets at an average of 22.55, S/R of 26 and and E/R of 5.2.

Not bad. But he was the seventh highest wicket taker, not the first. To put that in context, this was a regional Cup and Sohail Tanvir (of all people!) topped the charts with 15 wickets, having played the same number of games. That's six more wickets. Incidentally, Tanvir's figures were significantly better: 11.33 average, S/R of 16.7 and E/R of 4.06.

OK, let's look at the next tournament.

2016/2017 Departmental One Day Cup:

13 wickets at an average of 26.53, S/R 29.3 and E/R of 5.41.

Again not bad. But yet again he was not the highest wicket taker- rather he sits ninth on the list. To put that in context Faheem Ashraf topped the charts with 19 wickets, and all his stats are better (average, S/R and E/R). But now you will complain that Ashraf played two more games so it's an unfair comparison. Well, let's look at second on the list, Kamran Ghulam. He played the same number of games as Sadaf but ended up with 16 wickets, three more, with significantly better stats. But now you will complain that Kamran is a spinner, so it's an unfair comparison. OK then, let's look at number three on the list. It's Ahmed Bashir, who once again took more wickets with better stats, having played the same number of games (one to watch, by the way). But now you will complain that he is a right arm seamer and Sadaf is a left armer so the comparison doesn't work. But if you look down the list, you will see Zia Ul Haq and Rumman Raees also outperformed Sadaf. And so it goes on.

So it would be helpful if you could clarify which recent tournament he topped year on year.

Moving on to the main point of disagreement. You claim that Sadaf's best format is obviously LO cricket, and I am therefore wrong to say he is better suited to FC cricket. In truth, I am puzzled by this claim. There are a number of Sadaf's loyalists on PP, and I think you are the only one who thinks his better format is LOs. But that is neither here nor there.

Now I could do a stats analysis but quite frankly I have spent enough time on this and there is an easier way to respond to this claim. Namely, the modern LO game is not suited to Sadaf. Why? Well bats have got bigger, boundaries have got smaller, wickets have become flatter and most importantly the death of (reverse) swing due to the introduction of two new balls in ODIs. That's before I mention the fact that the very notion of a tailender is fast disappearing in the shorter format.

None of this bodes well for Sadaf.

Why? Because he would totally be exposed. His biggest weapon, namely movement, is largely negated. And even if he managed to get some movement, his pace or lack thereof, would mean it was manageable. That combined with the favourable batting conditions mentioned above means he would be taken to the cleaners because his largest weaknesses would be exploited.

There is a reason why successful test bowlers in the mould (and I use that term broadly) of Sadaf have been able to carve out successful careers in tests but have proved to be absolute liabilities in the shorter format. I will leave you to work out who those players are. If you still disagree, kindly name me bowlers who, in the modern game, have succeeded despite having the same limitations Sadaf does.

All in all, I appreciate you are a Sadaf loyalist but you end up doing him harm than good by incessantly claiming Sadaf's format is clearly LOs.

All that aside, I would be interested to hear whose place you think he should take in the current ODI/T20 team.
 
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Guess even Junaid Khan's injury will not help him get selected?
 
Guess even Junaid Khan's injury will not help him get selected?

Doesn't look like that he will be selected in near future... selectors, coach or captain don't 't even talk about him as if he doesn't exist at all
 
Never mind playing for Pakistan, even Rawalpindi won't select him in T20s.

Some puzzling things happening with this guy's career.
 
No secret with what you took issue with, because you quoted my post and put it in bold. Here it is again:

"Also he was never going to get selected for the PSL given he has never played a domestic t20 match. His best format is/was FC."

But let's say, for argument's sake, you are right and you "accidentally" highlighted the passage I wrote about the PSL and you were actually disagreeing with my statement that Sadaf's best format is FC, not LOIs.

So in your view, Sadaf's best format is limited overs and in fact you go so far as to say Sadaf is "the country's best limited overs bowler for some years now". Before we begin, I must take issue with your wording as by definition LOI includes T20 and given he has never played a domestic T20 your claim fails at the first hurdle. No problem, let's reword it to mean he is "the country's best List A bowler for some years now."

Now, to support this claim, you say he has topped the recent charts year on year. Let's deal with this claim first, before moving on to what his best format is. Perhaps you could clarify which recent List A charts he has topped year on year?

Because I took a look at the most recent information and the stats don't back up your bold claim. He wasn't even selected for the 2017 Pakistan Cup so let's move on:

2016/2017 Regional One Day Cup:

9 wickets at an average of 22.55, S/R of 26 and and E/R of 5.2.

Not bad. But he was the seventh highest wicket taker, not the first. To put that in context, this was a regional Cup and Sohail Tanvir (of all people!) topped the charts with 15 wickets, having played the same number of games. That's six more wickets. Incidentally, Tanvir's figures were significantly better: 11.33 average, S/R of 16.7 and E/R of 4.06.

OK, let's look at the next tournament.

2016/2017 Departmental One Day Cup:

13 wickets at an average of 26.53, S/R 29.3 and E/R of 5.41.

Again not bad. But yet again he was not the highest wicket taker- rather he sits ninth on the list. To put that in context Faheem Ashraf topped the charts with 19 wickets, and all his stats are better (average, S/R and E/R). But now you will complain that Ashraf played two more games so it's an unfair comparison. Well, let's look at second on the list, Kamran Ghulam. He played the same number of games as Sadaf but ended up with 16 wickets, three more, with significantly better stats. But now you will complain that Kamran is a spinner, so it's an unfair comparison. OK then, let's look at number three on the list. It's Ahmed Bashir, who once again took more wickets with better stats, having played the same number of games (one to watch, by the way). But now you will complain that he is a right arm seamer and Sadaf is a left armer so the comparison doesn't work. But if you look down the list, you will see Zia Ul Haq and Rumman Raees also outperformed Sadaf. And so it goes on.

So it would be helpful if you could clarify which recent tournament he topped year on year.

Moving on to the main point of disagreement. You claim that Sadaf's best format is obviously LO cricket, and I am therefore wrong to say he is better suited to FC cricket. In truth, I am puzzled by this claim. There are a number of Sadaf's loyalists on PP, and I think you are the only one who thinks his better format is LOs. But that is neither here nor there.

Now I could do a stats analysis but quite frankly I have spent enough time on this and there is an easier way to respond to this claim. Namely, the modern LO game is not suited to Sadaf. Why? Well bats have got bigger, boundaries have got smaller, wickets have become flatter and most importantly the death of (reverse) swing due to the introduction of two new balls in ODIs. That's before I mention the fact that the very notion of a tailender is fast disappearing in the shorter format.

None of this bodes well for Sadaf.

Why? Because he would totally be exposed. His biggest weapon, namely movement, is largely negated. And even if he managed to get some movement, his pace or lack thereof, would mean it was manageable. That combined with the favourable batting conditions mentioned above means he would be taken to the cleaners because his largest weaknesses would be exploited.

There is a reason why successful test bowlers in the mould (and I use that term broadly) of Sadaf have been able to carve out successful careers in tests but have proved to be absolute liabilities in the shorter format. I will leave you to work out who those players are. If you still disagree, kindly name me bowlers who, in the modern game, have succeeded despite having the same limitations Sadaf does.

All in all, I appreciate you are a Sadaf loyalist but you end up doing him harm than good by incessantly claiming Sadaf's format is clearly LOs.

All that aside, I would be interested to hear whose place you think he should take in the current ODI/T20 team.

The bowlers who have played instead of Sadaf all average over 30 in list A Wahab Rahat and Junaid how would you explain such stats.
 
No secret with what you took issue with, because you quoted my post and put it in bold. Here it is again:

"Also he was never going to get selected for the PSL given he has never played a domestic t20 match. His best format is/was FC."

But let's say, for argument's sake, you are right and you "accidentally" highlighted the passage I wrote about the PSL and you were actually disagreeing with my statement that Sadaf's best format is FC, not LOIs.

So in your view, Sadaf's best format is limited overs and in fact you go so far as to say Sadaf is "the country's best limited overs bowler for some years now". Before we begin, I must take issue with your wording as by definition LOI includes T20 and given he has never played a domestic T20 your claim fails at the first hurdle. No problem, let's reword it to mean he is "the country's best List A bowler for some years now."

Now, to support this claim, you say he has topped the recent charts year on year. Let's deal with this claim first, before moving on to what his best format is. Perhaps you could clarify which recent List A charts he has topped year on year?

Because I took a look at the most recent information and the stats don't back up your bold claim. He wasn't even selected for the 2017 Pakistan Cup so let's move on:

2016/2017 Regional One Day Cup:

9 wickets at an average of 22.55, S/R of 26 and and E/R of 5.2.

Not bad. But he was the seventh highest wicket taker, not the first. To put that in context, this was a regional Cup and Sohail Tanvir (of all people!) topped the charts with 15 wickets, having played the same number of games. That's six more wickets. Incidentally, Tanvir's figures were significantly better: 11.33 average, S/R of 16.7 and E/R of 4.06.

OK, let's look at the next tournament.

2016/2017 Departmental One Day Cup:

13 wickets at an average of 26.53, S/R 29.3 and E/R of 5.41.

Again not bad. But yet again he was not the highest wicket taker- rather he sits ninth on the list. To put that in context Faheem Ashraf topped the charts with 19 wickets, and all his stats are better (average, S/R and E/R). But now you will complain that Ashraf played two more games so it's an unfair comparison. Well, let's look at second on the list, Kamran Ghulam. He played the same number of games as Sadaf but ended up with 16 wickets, three more, with significantly better stats. But now you will complain that Kamran is a spinner, so it's an unfair comparison. OK then, let's look at number three on the list. It's Ahmed Bashir, who once again took more wickets with better stats, having played the same number of games (one to watch, by the way). But now you will complain that he is a right arm seamer and Sadaf is a left armer so the comparison doesn't work. But if you look down the list, you will see Zia Ul Haq and Rumman Raees also outperformed Sadaf. And so it goes on.

So it would be helpful if you could clarify which recent tournament he topped year on year.

Moving on to the main point of disagreement. You claim that Sadaf's best format is obviously LO cricket, and I am therefore wrong to say he is better suited to FC cricket. In truth, I am puzzled by this claim. There are a number of Sadaf's loyalists on PP, and I think you are the only one who thinks his better format is LOs. But that is neither here nor there.

Now I could do a stats analysis but quite frankly I have spent enough time on this and there is an easier way to respond to this claim. Namely, the modern LO game is not suited to Sadaf. Why? Well bats have got bigger, boundaries have got smaller, wickets have become flatter and most importantly the death of (reverse) swing due to the introduction of two new balls in ODIs. That's before I mention the fact that the very notion of a tailender is fast disappearing in the shorter format.

None of this bodes well for Sadaf.

Why? Because he would totally be exposed. His biggest weapon, namely movement, is largely negated. And even if he managed to get some movement, his pace or lack thereof, would mean it was manageable. That combined with the favourable batting conditions mentioned above means he would be taken to the cleaners because his largest weaknesses would be exploited.

There is a reason why successful test bowlers in the mould (and I use that term broadly) of Sadaf have been able to carve out successful careers in tests but have proved to be absolute liabilities in the shorter format. I will leave you to work out who those players are. If you still disagree, kindly name me bowlers who, in the modern game, have succeeded despite having the same limitations Sadaf does.

All in all, I appreciate you are a Sadaf loyalist but you end up doing him harm than good by incessantly claiming Sadaf's format is clearly LOs.

All that aside, I would be interested to hear whose place you think he should take in the current ODI/T20 team.

This is pretty incomprehensible to me. You want to build on argument based on some kind of typological fantasy about whether or not Sadaf should be a good LO bowler.

The problem is, what matters is not whether someone looks like they should be good, a la Rahat, but whether they actually are. Hasan.

So let's go over this again.

He averages 19 in List A cricket, at one point 18, and, this is crucial, he did so when everyone else was averaging 23 or 24.

He's been the top wicket taking pacer bowler in domestic List A competitions for 3-4 years. He will end this tourney as either the best or second best pace bowler.

Ergo, he is is a good LOI cricketer. I am not sure, frankly, whether he is as good as he was a few years ago, but if I look around for alternatives to Rumman or even Amir, he would be on my list.
 
Sadaf Hussain takes 6/12 in 9.2 overs for Eppleton CC vs Burnopfield CC - doing really well in just 3 game so far

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Amazing. So nobody still wants to pick him? I would have thought by now someone would have at least picked him in the PSL? Such a shame, I this Javed Afridi wanted to pick him? Would have been the same kind of bowler Umaid Asif is in my opinion
 
He was only selected once in his lifetime for the senior squad. Back in 2011 tour of West Indies. Afridi wanted to play him in the final ODI but Waqar didn't and there was some big fallout between Waqar and Afridi before the 4th ODI in that series after which Afridi was sacked as captain.

Then during the series of England in 2012, he was very much expected to be called to the squad, but the Chief Selector during that time Mohammad Ilyas picked Mohammad Khaleel and specifically said we wanted to pick Sadaf Hussain but his time will come or something along the lines. Afterwards, he has never come close to being selected which is a travesty cause season after season he put in brilliant figures given his limitations yet was never considered.

On the other hand, Tanvir Ahmed who could barely bowl was picked for SA tour in 2013 when he was struggling to even bowl an over. Guys like Rahat, Imran, Talha, Ehsan Adil, Naseem Shah, Musa Khan etc etc have been tried but this poor guy's name never made the list. If Tabish Khan can be selected at the age of 37, then probably Sadaf can also stake a claim at 32 given he still performs well. But I think his peak years have gone by.
 
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