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"My mindset is to win 3-0 in Pakistan" : Nathan Lyon

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Australia spinner Nathan Lyon said on Wednesday he was proud to be involved in the team's first tour of Pakistan in 24 years and hoped for a 3-0 Test series win to make the trip even more memorable.

Australia completed a 4-0 Ashes series victory over England earlier this year and while it faces vastly different conditions in Pakistan Lyon said the goal was to win every match.

“My mindset is every game we go into, we will look to win, not draw or lose. My mindset is to win 3-0 in Pakistan,” Lyon told reporters ahead of the first Test, which begins on Friday in Rawalpindi.

‘Proud moment’

Major teams have shunned Pakistan since an attack on the Sri Lanka team bus in Lahore in 2009 that killed six policemen and two civilians but international sides have recently started touring the country again. “Pakistan haven't had the opportunity to have a lot of international cricket here over a number of years so to be able to be the first Australian team to come here to play ... It's a pretty proud moment,” Lyon said.

“We've spoken as a group about how big it is for the people of Pakistan to see the likes of Steve Smith, David Warner, Pat Cummins and Marnus Labuschagne ... these guys are proud to come out here and play to be role models.”

Lyon said the wickets looked similar to those in the United Arab Emirates and he expected a good batting track early in the opening match before spin and reverse swing later. “My role is going to change across the Test matches. There's going to be times where I'll be in a holding role ... where there is opportunity for me to be more attacking I will,” Lyon said.

“All bowlers in our squad are well prepared to play whatever role it takes to perform well. It's going to be challenging but we've got the squad to cover all areas.”

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...-pakistan-test-rawalpindi/article38445135.ece
 
Lyon going for the jugular....Could it backfire?
 
He is going to swept like no tommorow. Pakistani batsmen especially Azhar Ali neutralized him with the sweep shot in the UAE
 
First should try and prevent clean sweep from pakistan by winning atleast one game.
 
Pakistan vs Australia, 1st Test: Nathan Lyon Relishes Babar Azam Challenge

Australian spin great Nathan Lyon said Wednesday he was relishing the challenge of bowling against one of the world's top batsmen, Babar Azam, in the first Test against Pakistan starting this week.

Australian spin great Nathan Lyon said Wednesday he was relishing the challenge of bowling against one of the world's top batsmen, Babar Azam, in the first Test against Pakistan starting this week. The 34-year-old is the highest wicket-taker in the Australia squad with 415 from 105 Tests, and boasts a record of 95 victims in 19 matches across Asia. Azam is the world's number one batsman in one-day internationals as well Twenty20s, and is ranked ninth in the Test rankings. "I have always said from day one of my career that I want to compete against the best players in the world, and Babar is definitely one of those guys," Lyon told a video news conference.

Azam is the linch-pin in Pakistan's often vulnerable batting line-up that also has veteran Azhar Ali and the hard-working Fawad Alam.

"I can't wait to challenge myself, but there are some unbelievable batters in this Pakistan line-up that I am going to have some decent challenges with.

"To be honest, my mindset in every game I go into is to win and not go into to draw or lose it, so my mindset is to be here in Pakistan and win 3-0."

Lyon said Australia are on a high after thumping England 4-0 in the Ashes earlier this year.

"I think it's a very young and exciting Australian Test squad that will go here coming off from a pretty spectacular summer back home and that's given the group a lot of confidence."

He likened the Rawalpindi stadium pitch to the ones Australia played against Pakistan in the United Arab Emirates in 2018.

"There is not much grass on it. I am expecting it to be pretty good to bat on for the first couple of days and then hopefully spin and reverse swing may come into it," he added.

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/pak...an-lyon-relishes-babar-azam-challenge-2798629
 
Never really liked Lyon. He's clearly a very intelligent bowler, and from what people have said he's a very nice guy off the field. But he suffers from severe white knuckle fever (the worst example was when he deliberately dropped the ball on AB de Villiers after running him out). He has a habit of running his mouth like McGrath without being anywhere near as good a bowler.
 
I don't think I will have the guts or desire to follow Pakistan test team, should they loose 3-0 at home.
 
he has a habit of shooting his mouth off, i recall him saying he would enjoy ending some careers or something to that effect ahead of ashes 2017. I cant recall him doing much outside of aus conditions or SAF where it bounces more and is suited to his kind of overspin. the batsmen will dine on him.
 
its all part of the fun and games guys, what do you expect him to say we are going to lose 2-1? sports stars have to be confident and predict 3-0 victory
 
I'm not sure why people are acting surprised. Australia should definitely win this series 3-0 easily. Do you really see our batsmen coping against the swing, pace and bounce of Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins?
 
After weeks of fevered speculation as to whether the Rawalpindi pitch would offer Perth-like pace or sub continental spin, Nathan Lyon's considered assessment likens it to surfaces seen in the UAE where Australia has gone winless in their past two visits.

The Australia squad undertook their inaugural training session at Rawalpindi Cricket Stadium yesterday where they were greeted by a flat, grassless track that sported its share of small cracks three days out from the start of play on the Qantas Tour of Pakistan on Friday.

It prompted close examination by members of both teams – who trained side by side yesterday – with the tourists especially keen to glean clues as to how the pitch might play given Australian have not contested a Test match in Pakistan since 1998.

During the intervening 24 years, Pakistan have hosted Australia in 'home' Tests in the UK, Sri Lanka and the Emirates with the past two of those series taking place in Dubai and Abu Dhabi where Pakistan recorded three hefty wins with Australia doggedly salvaging one draw.

Having trained in practice nets just metres from their rivals and from the Test strip on Rawalpindi's central wicket block yesterday, Lyon noted there was little spin on offer for himself or fellow specialist tweakers Ashton Agar and Mitchell Swepson.

And as a former curator who helped prepare pitches at Adelaide Oval before progressing to a career as a professional cricketer in 2010, Lyon's trained eye foreshadowed the Test track will likely replicate conditions in the UAE where big first innings totals are often followed by the dominance of spin.

From the 37 Tests played in the UAE since 2002, the five leading wicket takers are all spinners with Sri Lanka's Rangana Herath the only non-Pakistan player in that cohort alongside Yasir Shah, Saeed Ajmal, Zulfiqar Babar and Abdur Rehman.

"We're actually training about three pitches over on the centre wicket (block) and it wasn't spinning that much," Lyon told reporters from Rawalpindi ahead of Australia's second training session today.

"I know we've got a little bit more grass on the wicket we're training on compared to what looks like the match wicket.

"The (Test) surface looks similar to a UAE wicket at the moment.

"There's not much grass on it, I daresay it's going to be pretty shiny come day one.

"So I'm expecting it to be pretty nice to bat on for the first couple of days then look for it to hopefully spin, and reverse swing may come into it.

"It's not the type of wicket that I'd probably produce if I was still doing my curating stuff, but those days are long gone."

Lyon claimed national selection panel chair George Bailey, interim men's team coach Andrew McDonald and captain Pat Cummins faced "an interesting conversation" in finalising Australia's starting XI for the first of three Tests.

Given Bailey has already indicated Usman Khawaja will retain his place at the top of the order, and only unforeseen events are likely to see changes to the remaining batting roles, the discussion will seemingly focus on the make-up of the bowling line-up.

Specifically, whether Cummins is joined by a couple of fellow quicks from Josh Hazlewood, Mitchell Starc and Scott Boland, or if conditions dictate inclusion of a second spinner which would see Lyon partnered by either left-arm orthodox Agar or leg-spinner Swepson.

The other alternative is all three spinners are included with Agar filling the all-rounder role currently occupied by seamer Cameron Green, but that would appear unlikely given the pitch gives no outward hint of being a 'raging' turner.

Fawad Ahmed, the former Australia leg-spinner who has joined the squad as a consultant for the month-long Pakistan tour, is yet to formally join the group as he remains in isolation at the team hotel in Islamabad in accordance with COVID-19 protocols.

It is understood Fawad travelled from last weekend's Pakistan Super League final in Lahore on the same flight as Pakistan quick Haris Rauf who has since tested positive to COVID and ruled out of the opening Test at Rawalpindi.

But even without Fawad's local knowledge and expertise to directly draw on at training, Lyon believes uncapped Swepson and Agar – who played the most recent of his four Tests in Bangladesh in 2017 – are ready to slot into the starting XI if needed.

"Both Mitch and Ash are bowling extremely well, and if you look at our top order we've got guys like Marnus (Labuschagne) and Smithy (Steve Smith) and Travis (Head) who can bowl spin as well.

"So we're very lucky in that area, and it's not just this tour we're focused on.

"It's a massive 12 months for the Australian cricket team and we've got a lot of subcontinent tours in Pakistan, Sri Lanka (later this year) and into India (early 2023) as well.

"So there will be a lot of opportunity for not just myself and Sweppo to stand up, but other players as well."

With Test campaigns in three Asian countries over the next 12 months, Lyon looms as potentially Australia's most important bowler given a majority of those matches are expected to be played on spin-friendly surfaces.

The 34-year-old joined elite company when he claimed his 400th Test wicket at the start of this summer's Vodafone Ashes Series against England, and his success has been largely built on his capacity to perform consistently regardless of surrounding conditions.

That's underscored by the remarkable similarities in his home and away record.


In Tests played on familiar pitches in Australia, Lyon's overspin and exaggerated bounce have netted him 216 wickets (from 57 matches) at an average of 32.27, while overseas on tracks as disparate as England and India his 199 scalps (48 matches) have cost 31.26 each.

In 19 sub continental Tests (including the UAE), that record shows 95 wickets at 31.24 which is a superior average to India's Harbhajan Singh (32.02), Bangladesh's Shakib Al Hasan (32.67) and Sri Lanka's Dilruwan Perera (33.74) with their finger spin in the same conditions.

And his strike rate on surfaces that are supposedly second nature to bowlers who learn their craft in Asia – a wicket every 59 balls in Tests – makes him even more potent than legends the likes of Pakistan pair Saqlain Mushtaq (64 balls) and Ajmal (66).

However, Lyon acknowledges that due to Australia not having played a Test away from home since their 2019 Ashes sojourn to the UK, adapting to whatever conditions await in Rawalpindi, Karachi and Lahore will provide a stern and unfamiliar challenge.


As such, he believes his role will vary between strike weapon and containment option as the series unfolds.

But while Cummins noted prior to the team's departure he expected the three-match campaign to feature some "grinding" contests from which a draw would prove almost as valuable as a win, Lyon is sticking with his habitual pre-series prediction of a clean-sweep.

"We haven't played an away Test since 2019 so it's going to be a big challenge," he said.

"But it's a very young, exciting Australian Test squad we've got here and we're coming off a pretty spectacular summer at home that's given the group a lot of confidence.

"We're working hard, we're training hard and I'm going into this Test series ... to win three-nil, that's purely just my mindset."

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/nat...e-first-test-pakistan-swepson-agar/2022-03-02
 
I'm not sure why people are acting surprised. Australia should definitely win this series 3-0 easily. Do you really see our batsmen coping against the swing, pace and bounce of Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins?

Ah yes

This series is happening in Australia
 
Let's hope Lyon also bowls like he did on his first tour to UAE in 2014...
 
Let's hope Lyon also bowls like he did on his first tour to UAE in 2014...

To be fair at that time there was Younis Khan, Misbah and Sarfraz in form of his life. They were giant against spin. Even Azhar Ali was in his prime.
 
To be fair at that time there was Younis Khan, Misbah and Sarfraz in form of his life. They were giant against spin. Even Azhar Ali was in his prime.

Fawad Alam is an excellent player of spin. Azhar may not be in his prime but he is still an outstanding player of spin. Rizwan on the other hand has only been dismissed once by a spinner in Tests.

I see Australia's pace-attack being a far greater threat to Pakistan than Lyon. And that's nothing against Lyon who is one of the best spin bowlers in the world.
 
Both sides can win 3-0.

But, I think Pakistan may win it 2-1.

No way Australia is winning this 3-0. They will have to breach our fortress at Karachi and only two teams in history have been able to do that.

I'm gonna say 2-0 Pakistan.
 
I'm not sure why people are acting surprised. Australia should definitely win this series 3-0 easily. Do you really see our batsmen coping against the swing, pace and bounce of Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins?

Your acting like they are playing in SENA conditions.
 
I think this guy is the biggest threat with the ball to Pakistan.

Pakistan may be able to negate the Aussies pacers, but Lyon is going to cause a lot of issues.

Hope the Pakistani batters have their plans in place against him.
 
He is a real threat, you need a huge amount of technique and patience to play a long innings facing him and hardly anyone in Pakistan team, except Fawad possesses that.
 
Bowling and already looking threatening...

8th over on Day 1
 
he just realised what kind ROADS We have in our country for wickets where even himself can make a century!!!
 
LMAO at this guy and this statement. Get outta here you aren't McGrath.
 
He isn’t predicting 3-0 Aus imo, just saying it’s his mindset because he wants to win.
 
Australia interim coach Andrew McDonald has backed Nathan Lyon to rebound in "more favourable conditions" in the second Test after sending down 78 gruelling overs for a solitary wicket in Rawalpindi.

McDonald said the nation's first choice Test spinner was "physically fine" after bowling almost half the number of overs in the series opener than what he did in the entire five-match Ashes contest this summer.

Not since January 2019 against India in Sydney (57.2 overs) has Lyon bowled more overs in a single innings than the 52 he did during the opening two days of the Pakistan series and not since August 2016 against Sri Lanka in Colombo has he sent down more in a match.

But unlike the opening Test in Pakistan, the 34-year-old was not required to bowl in the second innings as Australia followed on after India's monstrous 7(dec)-622 before rain washed out the final day, while the match in Colombo was last of a three-Test series.

McDonald, however, is adamant the off-spinner will be able to back up his marathon effort in the opening match when the second Test starts in Karachi in three days' time.

And it's not like he hasn't done it before.

The 106-Test veteran averages 47 overs per Test from 16 matches in the subcontinent – and 64 overs per match in the UAE – and during Australia's last tour to Asia – Bangladesh in 2017 – he backed up his combined 9-161 from 64.3 overs in the first Test with 13-154 from 69.2 overs in the second five days later.

"He's physically fine, he bounced in and out of a lot of different plans (and) there wasn't a lot on offer for the quicks or the spinners," McDonald said after the opening Test finished in a tame draw on Tuesday.

"There was some statistics coming up on the TV, the batters were striking over 80 per cent down the middle of the bat so that's probably a good indication the wicket is not offering much for quicks or spin.

"Clearly it wasn't on his terms, and I thought the way that he applied himself across both innings was admirable.

"There's not too many times when you can keep Nathan Lyon out of the action in back-to-back Test matches so I look forward to him backing up in Karachi.

"He's a quality bowler. I suppose the positive and the negative is he doesn't have too many back-to-back games like that so we look forward to him stepping up again next game in Karachi with probably some more favourable conditions.

"We feel as though he exposed certain areas that we could probably exploit going forward through bouncing in and out of those plans.

"The conditions in Karachi will present something different so it'll be about us reading those conditions, getting our tactics in place, and going forward from there."

It seems almost certain that Lyon will also have a partner to help shoulder the workload with Australia likely to take two frontline spinners into the second Test in Karachi beginning on Saturday.

Queensland leg-spinner Mitch Swepson is firming for a long-awaited debut, although Pakistan's left-arm orthodox Nauman Ali's return of 6-107 on a Rawalpindi pitch that offered little assistance to anyone, and that fact that he took 7-73 in his Test debut against South Africa in Karachi last year, will give Australian selectors plenty to ponder with Ashton Agar also in the touring party.

McDonald said if conditions presented as expected in Karachi come Saturday morning, then there was a "likely chance" the visitors would play two specialist spinners for the first time since October 2018 against Pakistan in Abu Dhabi when Victorian left-arm finger spinner Jon Holland played the last of his four Tests.

"That's a big assumption," McDonald said of the conditions they expect in Karachi, where more than half the wickets to fall in the last Test played at the venue were to spin.

"We'll fly (on Wednesday), we'll get down to the ground two days out and go through the usual questions that we ask ourselves as a selection panel, we'll include Pat (Cummins) in on that and work out how we're going to navigate through a Test match tactically and that may lean towards two spinners.

"If the surface dictates another way of doing it, then it could be three (spinners) or it could be back to one spinner, who knows.

"It's a big assumption as we sit here to guess what's going to be happening in Karachi, but it probably leans itself before we got on the plane to come over here to a two-spin venue."

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/nat...hi-two-spinners-australia-pakistan/2022-03-09

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/nat...hi-two-spinners-australia-pakistan/2022-03-09
 
Picks a 5fer in the last innings - well done to him
 
Did the job when it mattered the most.

Still a top performer and showed his worth to the team, unlike the Pakistani spinners.
 
Diff between Australians and Pakistani players

Australians: we are looking to win 3-0

Pakistanis : We are looking to draw the series
 
this is why Pakistan will never be as Good as India . as a Pakistani this is embarassing. 1-0 is not a fair outcome. its BAD


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I meant for Australia. They got away with 1-0 win in a major subcontinental country.

For Pakistan, it is obviously bad. They were the home team and they were expected to win.
 
Nathan Lyon

Lyon is probably after Warne and Murali the best away spin bowler in the last 50 years.

He has taken 196 wickets @ 32 which is an incredible feat putting him up there as a ATG.

He has always played in the shadow of Warnes exploits but when you drill down he is an out and out champion bowler.
 
Great asset for Australia but has alot of helping hands over the time period Siddle Pattinson Starc Cummins mostly Aussie pacers create pressure and Lyon also gets benefit
 
Great asset for Australia but has alot of helping hands over the time period Siddle Pattinson Starc Cummins mostly Aussie pacers create pressure and Lyon also gets benefit

Take this last series, Lyon was the most economical bowler in the series and his ability to keep the run rate under control is what killed Pakistan, Cummins and Starc were able to pick off the batsmen because they could not get on top of Lyon.
 
India need to be wary of turning pitches vs Aus. Lyon could just run through our batting, he's only getting better with old age.
 
India need to be wary of turning pitches vs Aus. Lyon could just run through our batting, he's only getting better with old age.

Indian spinners are even more dangerous and Australian batsmen are also weak. And we have got rid of weak links in batting (Rahane/Pujara) and instead we have solidity (like Shreyas Iyer & Pant). Also we bat deep (Jadeja, Ashwin). So not much issues with home tests against any opponent. Only thing that we should not be caught off-guard like that 2017 Pune test! Otherwise it is highly unlikely of losing whole series though odd-match upset could happen!

Pakistan can get strong at home only if they get back those reverse-swinging fast bowlers & stubborn batsmen (Yousuf, Younis, Inzamam types)
 
Guys laughing on Lyon in initial posts of this thread must be feeling happy not to lose second test. Australian were almost there to make it 2-0 if not 3-0.
 
I am not sure about Graeme Swann’s away record, but just thinking about his impact for England across numerous tours then he would likely be up there among the best.

Nathan Lyon is very good, one of those players who keeps registering achievements and proving himself as a solid, high quality contributor but for some reason he never gets the plaudits and recognition that he deserves. After bowling Australia to a series win in Pakistan, perhaps at last now he will.
 
Lahore: Nathan Lyon says he doesn’t feel burdened by the pressure of bowling Australia to victory in the fourth innings of matches because Pat Cummins’ captaincy style is keeping him calm.

As the senior Australian spinner, all eyes were on Lyon on Friday to see if he could run through Pakistan and extract spin on a dry, day-five pitch in Lahore, and he duly delivered with a career-defining, five-wicket haul in the third and final Test against Pakistan.

A series win away from home for the first time in six years in one of the toughest places to win in the world. In Lahore, Tom Decent and Adam Collins report from the final day of an historic and successful series for Pat Cummins’ men.

Lyon had not taken a five-wicket haul since January 2020 against New Zealand, while Australia’s performances in the fourth innings of matches have been under the microscope.

Australia missed opportunities for victory in Sydney and Brisbane during the 2020-11 series against India, and fell one wicket short of victory on day five of the SCG Test against England in January. Add to the mix Australia’s painful 171.4 overs in the second innings of the second Test against Pakistan in Karachi, where they managed just seven wickets and had to settle for a draw, making the 115-run victory in Lahore all the sweeter.

Lyon’s 5-83 was one of his finest performances at Test level, given the significance of the series, Australia’s first in Pakistan in 24 years. He finished the series as the equal leading wicket-taker with Pat Cummins, snaring 12 wickets at 44.91.

Asked whether the pressure of bowling on day five ever gets to him, Lyon responded: “No, it doesn’t.”

“The way we look at it – and having a bowler as a captain probably helps – it’s all about our squad mentality and understanding: there’s five bowlers out there to build pressure from both ends and create chances,” he said.

“You look at past games that have gone into five days and ended up in draws, we’ve been able to create chances. We’ve just let ourselves down in the field.

“Big credit goes to Pat. His captaincy has allowed us bowlers to stay really calm, really composed and trust our skill at the end of the day. This game of cricket is always in partnerships ... and I think we’ve done that really well over this tour and summer. Very rewarding.

“I wear my heart on my sleeve and I will do anything to keep playing cricket for Australia and playing my role. You get frustrated because you’re trying so hard and things don’t seem to be going your way, but that’s where Pat, as captain, has been a really great leader in telling us bowlers to keep calm, stay composed and trust your skill set.

“If we do that for long periods of time, we’re going to compete anywhere in the world and hopefully get some really decent rewards.“

Lyon said Australia’s 1-0 series win, the team’s first in Pakistan since 1998, ranked “right up there” for achievements in a baggy green. He also praised Cummins for a “smart” declaration that enticed Pakistan to attempt an unlikely victory.

“It was about understanding the run rate throughout the whole game and understanding if we bowl our best ball and stay patient ... hopefully we get the results,” Lyon said. “We got a final reward today over 15 days of hard Test-match cricket. It’s a bloody good feeling with you, to be honest.

“Personally, I am happy with the way I bowled the whole series to be honest with you. It’s been bloody hard work. It’s probably one of the proudest series wins that I have been a part of.”

Australia won’t play another Test until late June against Sri Lanka in Galle.

“I’ve looked at the subcontinent tours as a big goal for myself and really standing out taking responsibility in the bowling attack,” Lyon said. “That doesn’t change the way I bowl. I have had a lot of experience in the subcontinent now. If I keep trusting my skill set and understanding what I’m doing really well here in the subcontinent, I’m going to get rewarded at some stage. We have played on some very challenging wickets in Pakistan, as a finger spinner.”

Meanwhile, Steve Smith is set to miss Australia’s white-ball series against Pakistan due to an elbow issue. Australia play the first of three one-day internationals on Tuesday before a one-off T20 on April 5 to round out the tour.

Cricket Australia’s head of sport science, Alex Kountouris, said: “Steve has been experiencing some minor discomfort in his left elbow during the latter stages of the Test series in Pakistan and, given he had an injury with the same elbow last year, we felt it important to manage this proactively.”

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...er-career-defining-spell-20220326-p5a870.html
 
:afridi

Bro, you better hope to win 1 game at max. :yk


Lol

I swear everytime you try to troll, it comes back to hit you in the face. :))

Still remember that "Why do India always lose against England" thread after the chennai test last year. Only for England to lose 1-3 and then trail 1-2 at home. :91:
 
Lyon is a nothing special bowler. His legacy remains that on a Day 5 wicket in Sydney and Gabba, he failed to help his team take those 10 wickets and let a Kohli-less India run away with the series.
 
Lyon Numbers

Lyon is a nothing special bowler. His legacy remains that on a Day 5 wicket in Sydney and Gabba, he failed to help his team take those 10 wickets and let a Kohli-less India run away with the series.
Lyon Stats since 1 Jan 2016 57 matches 245 wickets avg 31 only ashwin has more wickets than him 266 wickets at avg 23.
 
Lyon is a nothing special bowler. His legacy remains that on a Day 5 wicket in Sydney and Gabba, he failed to help his team take those 10 wickets and let a Kohli-less India run away with the series.

sour grapes.:haha
 
Lyon is a nothing special bowler. His legacy remains that on a Day 5 wicket in Sydney and Gabba, he failed to help his team take those 10 wickets and let a Kohli-less India run away with the series.

Non Indians don't really care too much about that series to use it as a measurement of a players legacy.

I don't think Aussies do either.

He's an absolute class act and one bad session doesn't define him.
 
Lyon was brilliant in 2nd test and 3rd test.Better than Sajid and nauman,stats dont numbers that he averaged 44,it's just Pindi test ruined his average.
 
Meanwhile on the Pakistan side "my mindset is to get away with a 0-0"
 
Lyon Stats since 1 Jan 2016 57 matches 245 wickets avg 31 only ashwin has more wickets than him 266 wickets at avg 23.

Huge difference in those stats even considering the place where they play their home game and also I don't rate Ashwin as much either, especially after the SA series.
 
Non Indians don't really care too much about that series to use it as a measurement of a players legacy.

I don't think Aussies do either.

He's an absolute class act and one bad session doesn't define him.

And we don't care what non Indians think unless they are making some sense.

Point remains if you cannot save test matches as a spinner on a Day 5 wicket with that much of experience and get outperformed by the likes of Ashwin and Jadeja, you are nothing special.

I would still have Swann slightly ahead of him.
 
And we don't care what non Indians think unless they are making some sense.

Point remains if you cannot save test matches as a spinner on a Day 5 wicket with that much of experience and get outperformed by the likes of Ashwin and Jadeja, you are nothing special.

I would still have Swann slightly ahead of him.

Didnt Swann get completely outclassed by Tahir in the 2012 series that SA beat England. Or do you have different rules for different players.
 
Didnt Swann get completely outclassed by Tahir in the 2012 series that SA beat England. Or do you have different rules for different players.

Again wrong, South Africa won that series because they were simply a superior team than England in that series. England had a good team but they were outclasses by a superior test team.

In the Australian 2020 series, Australia had a very good team and Cummins and Hazelwood were at peak but it was always in the final two days of cricket that India turned the table around and it was down to Indian batsman completely nullifying Lyon and getting the better of him.
 
Gotta rate lyon, to bowl conventional off spin in this era and bowl it well esp in a place like australia for so mnay years is a great achievement
 
Meanwhile on the Pakistan side "my mindset is to get away with a 0-0"

So true We didnt get any pakistani players coming out saying we expect to win this series or want to win it 3-0
 
Again wrong, South Africa won that series because they were simply a superior team than England in that series. England had a good team but they were outclasses by a superior test team.

In the Australian 2020 series, Australia had a very good team and Cummins and Hazelwood were at peak but it was always in the final two days of cricket that India turned the table around and it was down to Indian batsman completely nullifying Lyon and getting the better of him.

Just to refresh your memory.

Steyn and Tahir complete innings victory
South Africa, dominant since the start of the second day, secured an innings and 12-run victory at The Oval
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...-vs-south-africa-1st-test-534225/match-report

Just for reference Swann's bowling figures for this match was 0-150
 
Take this last series, Lyon was the most economical bowler in the series and his ability to keep the run rate under control is what killed Pakistan, Cummins and Starc were able to pick off the batsmen because they could not get on top of Lyon.
Our cowards couldn’t get on top of Cameron Green, and you are here debating for Lyon? Pakistani batsmen are the worst to be used in a discussion like this, their mediocrity will end up making a lot of bowlers look much better than they really are.

Lyon did not bowl well in four out of the six innings of this series.
 
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The only country where Graeme had a tough time was Australia. Even then he got a crucial five wicket haul to spin England to victory in the Adelaide Test. His record everywhere else in the world ranges from good to excellent — including in India. Graeme Swann is definitely one of the better offies from recent times.
 
Our cowards couldn’t get on top of Cameron Green, and you are here debating for Lyon? Pakistani batsmen are the worst to be used in a discussion like this, their mediocrity will end up making a lot of bowlers look much better than they really are.

Lyon did not bowl well in four out of the six innings of this series.

Shaheen didn't bowl well in any innings, so I guess he will be forever a average bowler.
 
"My mindset is to win 3-0 in Pakistan" : Nathan Lyon


And our mindset was how to avoid losing by 0-3. The best we hoped for 0-0 draw.

We never even considered the possibility of winning this series.

When pitched up against good teams, we think in terms of "avoiding loss", instead of "striving for victory."

So, as you see, our board and our chairman, are very pleased with 0-1 loss from the expected 0-3 loss.

Thank you for coming.
 
Nathan Lyon claimed his 20th five-wicket haul on day one in Galle! #SLvAUS
 
Away records

Swann - 135 wickets at 30.88
Ashwin - 130 wickets at 31.25
Lyon - 216 wickets at 31.71
 
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At the iconic seaside venue where the Nathan Lyon fairy tale began 11 years ago, Australia's greatest ever off-spinner pushed through considerable discomfort to continue his unlikely surge up the all-time Test wicket-taking charts.

The normally bulletproof Lyon, who has avoided major injury for the entirety of his international career, suffered a back spasm while bowling his first over in Australia's series opener at the picturesque Galle ground where he made his Test debut in 2011.

His love affair with the coastal retreat, which started when he dismissed Kumar Sangakkara with his first ball in international cricket on the way to a debut five-wicket haul more than a decade ago, continued on Wednesday as he tore through Sri Lanka with figures of 5-90.

And did so under some duress.

"I've never had one – ever," Lyon said of the back spasm he suffered after bowling just four balls on the morning of day one. "I've been pretty lucky, touch wood, with injuries. It didn't impede me bowling (but) I'm pretty stiff now."

The fact Lyon's 20th career five-wicket haul came at the same venue as his first was not the only obvious symmetry with his Test entrance in Galle in 2011.

Lyon's opening delivery on Wednesday, closely watched given it was the first sent down by a spinner on a surface expected to take turn from the get-go, was bowled from the same end, opposite the famous Dutch fort, that he operated from in 2011.

This one, to Sri Lanka's left-handed skipper Dimuth Karunaratne, landed in a similar spot to the ball that had famously caught Sangakkara's outside edge and was caught by Michael Clarke at first slip.

Only this time Lyon extracted even more bounce and spin, leaving Karunaratne with no hope of laying bat on it.

"(Extra bounce) is one of my biggest weapons, there's no secret about that," said Lyon. "It's something I'm very excited to see, obviously spin and bounce is good signs."

It was that kind of bounce good judges were blown away by more than a decade ago when Lyon was still a raw young spinner, who swiftly went from Adelaide Oval curator to Test bowler within the space of a year.

But even those who fast-tracked him onto the biggest stage would never have predicted he would go on to take more than 400 Test wickets.

Having taken his count to 432 on Wednesday, Lyon overtook Richard Hadlee (on 431) and is a strong chance to go past Rangana Herath (433) and Kapil Dev (434) in Sri Lanka's second innings.

Passing Herath here will be fitting given the frank advice Lyon received from the left-armer six years ago that helped him demystify the subcontinent, having since taken 75 wickets at 25.84 in Asia.

Up until that 2016 three-nil whitewash in Sri Lanka, Lyon's 42 wickets on the subcontinent had cost 42.57 apiece.

"We learned a lot from the 2016 tour, there’s no doubt about that," Lyon said. "We learn a lot as young, developing Test cricketers, as a young team into a more senior squad (now).

"I’ve learned a lot from my time in the subcontinent but also in Australia about how to bowl off-breaks and what becomes really effective."

Lyon is gradually making up the gap between his own Test wicket tally and those of the two all-time leaders by that measure, Shane Warne and Muttiah Muralidaran, whose spinning hands have been immortalised on the trophy Australia and Sri Lanka are playing for.

While the late, great Warne (who the ongoing Test has been dedicated to following his death earlier this year) had boldly predicted Lyon might be able to one day overtake his haul of 708 Test scalps, it was Muralidaran who has had the bigger influence on his career.

The legendary Sri Lankan, who was in attendance on Wednesday paying tribute to Warne's legacy at the Galle venue he had helped rebuild through fundraising efforts after the 2004 Boxing Day tsunami, worked closely with Lyon on multiple occasions, including during the 2016 tour.

And while both Warne's 708 and Murali's 800 may be out of reach for the 34-year-old Australian, Lyon has one thing in common with the two spin icons.

"I love bowling," said Lyon, who insisted he will be fit to take the field in the second innings.

"You ask Pat (Cummins, Australia's captain) if he can take the ball out of my hands in these types of conditions and I will probably tell you where to go.

"I absolutely love bowling in these conditions.

"This is my job over here in these conditions. I will do whatever the team needs. If that's long spells, then it is long spells. If it is short spells as Pat is changing his bowlers, that is entirely fine as well."

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/nat...sri-lanka-day-one-first-test-galle/2022-06-29
 
Away records

Swann - 135 wickets at 30.88
Ashwin - 130 wickets at 31.25
Lyon - 216 wickets at 31.71


This once again shows why Ashwin is the best off spinner of this generation.

Swann and Lyon played 60% of their away games in the subcontinent + UAE. And despite of this, Ashwin averages the same as them while playing vast majority of his away games in conditions not conducive to spin bowling. He played only one test in Bangladesh and even that too was rain curtailed so the only away conditions ge got in his favour was Sri Lanka.
 
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