Myth Breaker: This format will suss out the weak teams and only let through the best

[Amir]

This thread is not about if NZ deserve to be in the semi (another thread for that) or Pak's fault for not making it (it is). This is about how everyone harped how this format would only let the best of the best through and the weak would be separated.

Regardless of your whole opinion on who is better between NZ and Pak, the fact is a team with only 1 win vs top 6 and losing their last three matches (all by pretty significant margins may I add) is going to be playing in the semi final. Only in cricket.

Not sure why so many people are averse to straight knock out like 2015 (or 96). So what if you win all your group games and lose in the KO match? If you can't win the pressure match - you are not champions. If team strings together 3 matches and wins, so what? That is the beauty of cup sports.

FIFA does it. You don't see a team with great week 1 form and poor week 4 form in the semi finals (they would have been eliminated by then).

Note: Rules are rules. I am not advocating for Pakistan to magically be allowed in semis or arguing they deserve to be. I am advocating for good ole fashion knockout cricket.

 

[Bhaijaan]

It makes no sense that a team with arguably the best current form of all 10 teams is going out.

I called this format ridiculous earlier also.

Never liked it.

No point of letting minnows okay 9 matches either. Crap format.

 

[JaDed]

Fifa has so many teams to play the wc makes sense for them to do this.
Cricket has very few teams and 10 teams should play this many matches because groups can be unequally divided for example our group in 1999 was easier than the Aus and Pak one.

This format is like 5 match test cricket, really tests out players, only complaint have reserve days , very much required!

 

[geraltofrivia]

bhai rehne de pakistan has been a weak team and is rightfully eliminated.

 

[Itachi]

Pakistan is always the victim.

Reminds me of that character in saas bohu series where, the character does everything correctly but still gets abuse by the mother in law.

 

[Mamoon]

It did. The four best teams in the world have qualified for the semi-finals.

 

[Chokli]

Cricket only has 6 or 7 good teams.

All deserve to play each other at the World Cup.

QF format is dumb and stupid.

Best format after this league format is the super 6 format.

Also England should be banned from holding world events until they do something about the rain effected games.

 

[srh]

This thread is not about if NZ deserve to be in the semi (another thread for that) or Pak's fault for not making it (it is). This is about how everyone harped how this format would only let the best of the best through and the weak would be separated.

Regardless of your whole opinion on who is better between NZ and Pak, the fact is a team with only 1 win vs top 6 and losing their last three matches (all by pretty significant margins may I add) is going to be playing in the semi final. Only in cricket.

Not sure why so many people are averse to straight knock out like 2015 (or 96). So what if you win all your group games and lose in the KO match? If you can't win the pressure match - you are not champions. If team strings together 3 matches and wins, so what? That is the beauty of cup sports.

FIFA does it. You don't see a team with great week 1 form and poor week 4 form in the semi finals (they would have been eliminated by then).

Note: Rules are rules. I am not advocating for Pakistan to magically be allowed in semis or arguing they deserve to be. I am advocating for good ole fashion knockout cricket.

this format is perfect. only issue was the rain

 

[PCTPost2019]

Pakistan is always the victim.

Reminds me of that character in saas bohu series where, the character does everything correctly but still gets abuse by the mother in law.

You're on a Pakistani forum mate.
There's always going to be bias.

 

[Mr.Q]

Cricket only has 6 or 7 good teams.

All deserve to play each other at the World Cup.

QF format is dumb and stupid.

Best format after this league format is the super 6 format.

Also England should be banned from holding world events until they do something about the rain effected games.

And the pitches that guarantee a loss if you’re batting second. Poor preparation by the ICC.

 

[Red Devil]

The system clearly didn't take rain into account.

 

[Amir]

It did. The four best teams in the world have qualified for the semi-finals.

Funny. A week ago when England as under threat of not making it, you weren't singing that tune...

 

[Chokli]

Funny. A week ago when England as under threat of not making it, you weren't singing that tune...

Don't forget "Indian Cricket is finished"

 

[ak619]

It's no coincidence that the that the top 4 ranked ODI sides in the world are going to be playing the WC semi-finals.

This is the best format for a 10 team tournament.

 

[Mamoon]

Funny. A week ago when England as under threat of not making it, you weren't singing that tune...

There would be exceptions every now and then, but if you hold the World Cup a 100 times right now, you would see these four teams qualify at least 80% of the time. It is reflected in their rankings as well.

 

[Mamoon]

Don't forget "Indian Cricket is finished"

It was a sarcastic, playful comment.

 

[Mamoon]

The fact that England eventually qualified with aplomb proves that this format is designed to weed out the mediocre teams from the knockouts.

It is the ideal format because it provides incentives to teams who are capable of playing with consistency. That is why Pakistan’s so-called late surge (which included the Afghanistan embarrassment) was not enough and rightly so.

 

[Rana]

It did. The four best teams in the world have qualified for the semi-finals.

New Zealand is not the 4th best team in this World Cup

 

[geraltofrivia]

New Zealand is not the 4th best team in this World Cup

They are. Who else are on points above them?

 

[Mamoon]

New Zealand is not the 4th best team in this World Cup

This format is designed to suit the best teams in general, and I think it is the right way to go about. Consistency needs to be rewarded.

 

[Sachin136]

New Zealand is not the 4th best team in this World Cup

It is.

 

[ZaudStorm]

They are. Who else are on points above them?

Pakistan were better than them.

 

[On_the_up]

The fact that England eventually qualified with aplomb proves that this format is designed to weed out the mediocre teams from the knockouts.

It is the ideal format because it provides incentives to teams who are capable of playing with consistency. That is why Pakistan’s so-called late surge (which included the Afghanistan embarrassment) was not enough and rightly so.

If England had to chase against India and Newz things might have worked out differently. Those were big tosses to win.

 

[Gilly]

Pakistan were better than them.

Pakistan bottled it when it mattered, their batting was poor, their bowling only just passes as good, fielding well lets not go there, planning do they even know what planning is.

NZ were by far the better team.

 

[geraltofrivia]

Pakistan were better than them.

No they weren't. Just because they beat the "bigger" teams does not excuse their minnow like performance against Windies and losses to Ind and Australia.

 

[Kroll]

It's no coincidence that the that the top 4 ranked ODI sides in the world are going to be playing the WC semi-finals.

This is the best format for a 10 team tournament.

I do like the thrill of unpredictability though. You know like an underdog can sneak in somewhere which can sometimes happen in a knockout stage of a sports competition.

 

[geraltofrivia]

NZ are the better team. NRR is the way to go. All these Pakistanis talking about head to head.

Remember WorldT20 2012? India had lower RR than Pakistan but had won head to head. Then where was this NRR thing?

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

It got the highest ranked teams in the world in the semis. So it did what it was supposed to do, right?

The format will always hurt teams like WI, Pak who only play a few extra ordinary games. It was expected.

 

[Amir]

The fact that England eventually qualified with aplomb proves that this format is designed to weed out the mediocre teams from the knockouts.

I.

Lol you pretty much just admit you are a hyprocrit. If england didnt qualify, then format sucks. England got lucky with the toss in their last two matches.

 

[Amir]

NZ are the better team. NRR is the way to go. All these Pakistanis talking about head to head.

Remember WorldT20 2012? India had lower RR than Pakistan but had won head to head. Then where was this NRR thing?

Indians complained then too.

 

[Kroll]

Pakistan bottled it when it mattered, their batting was poor, their bowling only just passes as good, fielding well lets not go there, planning do they even know what planning is.

NZ were by far the better team.

That's Pakistan in a nutshell for pretty much their whole existence. Only, before they had good to gun bowling attacks to help them.

 

[Mamoon]

A 6th ranked team that has played like a minnow for two years and entered the World Cup with a 13 match streak had no business in playing the semi-finals. That is why this is the ideal format because it makes it hard for inconsistent, mediocre sides. That is why the Champions Trophy has been a tournament for the underdogs, because 3-4 wins on the trot takes you all the way.

 

[Rana]

This format is designed to suit the best teams in general, and I think it is the right way to go about. Consistency needs to be rewarded.

New Zealand consistently lost 3 tough matches. They were rewarded with a semi final.

 

[Red Devil]

It is.

Not really.

How many big teams did they beat again?

 

[mystical man]

A 6th ranked team that has played like a minnow for two years and entered the World Cup with a 13 match streak had no business in playing the semi-finals. That is why this is the ideal format because it makes it hard for inconsistent, mediocre sides. That is why the Champions Trophy has been a tournament for the underdogs, because 3-4 wins on the trot takes you all the way.

You have to admit that imam, fakhar, Babar are solid with Haris in the middle order along with top-notch bowlers like shaheen, amir, wahab and shadab... They would have most likely knocked out India in the semifinals and not feeling ashamed to admit that this side was looking ominous and unbeatable in the last few games...

 

[Rana]

It is.

NZ are mentally shot. They are their for anyone to take

 

[Mamoon]

Lol you pretty much just admit you are a hyprocrit. If england didnt qualify, then format sucks. England got lucky with the toss in their last two matches.

If England didn't qualify, too bad for them. My point is that this format is designed in such a way that the top teams will eventually make it through most of the time.

Yes different teams get lucky on different occasions. We also got lucky that (a) Roy dropped a sitter of Hafeez (b) Sri Lanka beat England and certain umpiring decisions went their way (c) Pakistan got a farmer pitch against NZ designed to keep them in the World Cup (d) Imad was out plumb LBW against Afghanistan etc. etc.

You can come with a lucky/unlucky list for any side. The bottom-line is that we are going home for the stinker that we had against the West Indies. We got the best possible preparation of all teams (if India had played 5 ODIs vs England, it would have been a BCCI conspiracy to give India undue advantage) and we responded by losing the match in 13.4 overs.

We have no one to blame but ourselves, and we proved in this World Cup why we are ranked 6th and not 3rd or 4th. Wallowing in self-pity will not make our team better.

 

[Mamoon]

You have to admit that imam, fakhar, Babar are solid with Haris in the middle order along with top-notch bowlers like shaheen, amir, wahab and shadab... They would have most likely knocked out India in the semifinals and not feeling ashamed to admit that this ���� side was looking ominous and unbeatable in the last few games...

I hope this is sarcasm.

 

[Gilly]

New Zealand consistently lost 3 tough matches. They were rewarded with a semi final.

There was no reward for NZ, making the semi is just the next step in the process.

 

[barah_admi]

I spoke about a round Robin stage being too lonf and too drawn out. It almost turned into that if not for Sri Lanka and a resurgent Pakistan.

A world Cup needs more teams and a group format.

12, 4 groups and then knock games is the only thing that makes sense.
It also allows the minnow sides to not only play in the tournament but may be pick up an upset or two that is enough to get them into a quarter final.

 

[Mamoon]

New Zealand consistently lost 3 tough matches. They were rewarded with a semi final.

They have been rewarded for being good enough to be ranked 3rd in ODIs. No mean feat for a country where cricket is distant second sport and their entire population is less than the population of Lahore.

 

[rhony]

Op hasn't raised a valid point here. The format was fine and teams had plenty of time to come back. The teams that played smart cricket are in SF. It's unfortunate Pak didn't qualify but again the game against WI was a stinker they couldn't get rid off. Imagine a different format with less number of games. With a start like that, Pak would have been out a while ago. The format gave them a chance to come back and they couldn't make it.

The main issue is actually not with the format but the order of games. Compare SA vs NZ campaigns. If SA had the same opponents as NZ in the same order, they would have been in this WC SF. SA had tough games, they had a bad game against BD which NZ almost did too but the loss in the first game messes teams up. A couple of losses at the beginning will derail the campaign even in this long format. There was no momentum for SA in the entire WC and at the end, there was no motivation. NZ got some easy games upfront, made full use of them and despite tapering off at the end, went into SF.

 

[pakistani pride]

They have been rewarded for being good enough to be ranked 3rd in ODIs. No mean feat for a country where cricket is distant second sport and their entire population is less than the population of Lahore.

Based on that the Netherlands should never have been able to compete in Football since its such a small country.

 

[pakistani pride]

NZ are the better team. NRR is the way to go. All these Pakistanis talking about head to head.

Remember WorldT20 2012? India had lower RR than Pakistan but had won head to head. Then where was this NRR thing?

If you seriously think NZ is better than PAK during the WC, I seriously doubt you watched the games. They have been crushed by Aus and ENG. While against PAK they couldnt defend 250 odd runs on a wicket that was described as a 5th day test match track.

 

[geraltofrivia]

Indians complained then too.

Then they are fools as well. The rules were known beforehand.

 

[geraltofrivia]

If you seriously think NZ is better than PAK during the WC, I seriously doubt you watched the games. They have been crushed by Aus and ENG. While against PAK they couldnt defend 250 odd runs on a wicket that was described as a 5th day test match track.

Yeah and they beat WI who Pakistan lost to in 13.5 overs which even Afghanistan failed to do. Pakistan were also "crushed" by India. You can't just look at the victories and not the losses.

 

[Rana]

They have been rewarded for being good enough to be ranked 3rd in ODIs. No mean feat for a country where cricket is distant second sport and their entire population is less than the population of Lahore.

You can give them a league medal for coming 3rd, but what do rankings actually mean?

India is number 1 because it doesn’t rigorously test itself home and away against a sub continent side. Pakistan is number 6-7 because it’s played no matches in Pakistan since 2009?

The World Cup is where we see who actually raises the bar when it matters. New Zealand have been poor and 5-6 matches have proved it. Name one convincing win in their campaign besides beating Sri Lanka and Afghanistan?

 

[Mamoon]

Based on that the Netherlands should never have been able to compete in Football since its such a small country.

Most European countries are small, Netherlands are not particularly disadvantaged. Cricket is played seriously by a handful of countries, and three of the ten most populated countries in the world are cricket crazy. In football, only Brazil among the top ten most populated countries can be classified as football crazy. The odds are firmly stacked against New Zealand when it comes to dominating cricket, and their achievements so far is a testament to their tremendous sporting culture and professional approach.

 

[ak619]

I do like the thrill of unpredictability though. You know like an underdog can sneak in somewhere which can sometimes happen in a knockout stage of a sports competition.

Yeah you're right about that. Nothing better in sports than the story of the underdog emerging as the winner at the end of it all.

 

[geraltofrivia]

You can give them a league medal for coming 3rd, but what do rankings actually mean?

India is number 1 because it doesn’t rigorously test itself home and away against a sub continent side. Pakistan is number 6-7 because it’s played no matches in Pakistan since 2009?

The World Cup is where we see who actually raises the bar when it matters. New Zealand have been poor and 5-6 matches have proved it. Name one convincing win in their campaign besides beating Sri Lanka and Afghanistan?

LOL. Your team is out. It is not good enough. It will never be good enough. It will remain a 6-7 side. Cricket will never return to Pakistan. No need for delusions.

The Asia cup was an away test for India was it not against "subcontinental" sides. What happened? India didn't lose a single match and handed two heavy defeats to Pakistan.

 

[big_gamer007]

Format was perfect, consistency was rewarded. Pakistan got team composition right towards the end, gave it their all (maybe due to backlash of public) but they were not good enough to go to semis in a 9 match format.

They should take positives and throw out dead weight. Rebuild the team for next tournament

 

[Mamoon]

You can give them a league medal for coming 3rd, but what do rankings actually mean?

India is number 1 because it doesn’t rigorously test itself home and away against a sub continent side. Pakistan is number 6-7 because it’s played no matches in Pakistan since 2009?

The World Cup is where we see who actually raises the bar when it matters. New Zealand have been poor and 5-6 matches have proved it. Name one convincing win in their campaign besides beating Sri Lanka and Afghanistan?

Rankings reflect consistency. Pakistan can beat anyone in the top four on a given day, but it cannot beat them in a series because these teams are superior and will play better cricket over a number of games.

India is number 1-2 because it is a phenomenal cricket team. Rigorously test itself against a subcontinent side? Do you honestly think Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Afghanistan are good enough to beat India in a series anywhere in the world?

Pakistan is number 6-7 because it is a very average team that cannot string together 2-3 quality games of cricket. Aside from Babar, we don't have a single player who has a realistic shot of getting into the World XI. It has nothing to do with playing in Pakistan or UAE. India can come to Pakistan right now and win 4-1 or 5-0.

The World Cup format is designed to ensure that consistent teams prevail. After 9 games against each other, more of than than not, the likes of India, England, Australia and New Zealand/South Africa would qualify, because these are the 4-5 best teams in the world and more consistent than the likes of Pakistan, West Indies, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.

New Zealand have played professional cricket that is why they have a decent NRR and qualified at our expense. The fact that India, England, Australia and New Zealand are the only teams with a positive NRR is not a co-incidence. These teams have played smarter cricket than others.

New Zealand started their campaign against Sri Lanka and finished the game in 16 overs. It boosted their NRR and we weren't able to score such a comprehensive at any point. They also beat Afghanistan with 20 overs to spare and didn't sweat bullets and limp over the finish line like we did. They got smashed against Australia and England, but we also got smashed against India and were completely obliterated by West Indies which nuked our NRR.

All of this explains why New Zealand is ranked 3rd while Pakistan is ranked 6th. We are a haphazard, circus team that is capable of playing great cricket on a given day but is not professional enough in its approach to avoid stinkers every now and then, and this lack of discipline costs us over and over again.

 

[pakistani pride]

Most European countries are small, Netherlands are not particularly disadvantaged. Cricket is played seriously by a handful of countries, and three of the ten most populated countries in the world are cricket crazy. In football, only Brazil among the top ten most populated countries can be classified as football crazy. The odds are firmly stacked against New Zealand when it comes to dominating cricket, and their achievements so far is a testament to their tremendous sporting culture and professional approach.

And what exactly have they achieved in cricket what PAK has not?

 

[pakistani pride]

LOL. Your team is out. It is not good enough. It will never be good enough. It will remain a 6-7 side. Cricket will never return to Pakistan. No need for delusions.

The Asia cup was an away test for India was it not against "subcontinental" sides. What happened? India didn't lose a single match and handed two heavy defeats to Pakistan.

Its showed this WC its certainly not a no 6 or 7 side but more a top 4 side what they will achieve inshallah in the coming period.

 

[pakistani pride]

Yeah and they beat WI who Pakistan lost to in 13.5 overs which even Afghanistan failed to do. Pakistan were also "crushed" by India. You can't just look at the victories and not the losses.

Yes, we should have done much better vs WI but on that track most ASIAN teams would have struggled big time. My point is PAK beat 2 teams that will play the SF while NZ lost all 3 if you include PAK and that showed how weak they are.

 

[Iamcoolwhiz]

Why don't you understand that reaching semis is not the end. You still have to win it and then win the final to actually win the cup. If NZ is not good enough, they will lose. Stop cribbing over things which were in your own control and you let it out of sight because your were relying on others to do your job.

Had pakistan not have had the England option, they would have focussed on fixing their NRR well before the Bangladesh match.

Had teams like India or Australia been in similar position, they would slowly and steadily fixed their NRR right from WI match.

India was almost assured of the semis spot by the time they had England match, still they took care of maintaining their NRR.

You own your own destiny, luck only favours those who actually put in hard work.

 

[Chokli]

A 6th ranked team that has played like a minnow for two years and entered the World Cup with a 13 match streak had no business in playing the semi-finals. That is why this is the ideal format because it makes it hard for inconsistent, mediocre sides. That is why the Champions Trophy has been a tournament for the underdogs, because 3-4 wins on the trot takes you all the way.

All pre World Cup results shouldn't matter when it comes to the World Cup.

Inzamam's 3rd ranked ODI side was knocked out by Ireland.

Pakistan was clearly the better performer out of them and New Zealand... It's the two rained out matches plus one bad Windies match that made the difference.

New Zealand struggled to win against Bangladesh, South Africa and West Indies.

It's New Zealand who have no business being in the Semi Finals of the World Cup.

 

[Mamoon]

And what exactly have they achieved in cricket what PAK has not?

Pakistan has achieved more in cricket but that is not an achievement by any measure. With over 200m people and a country that is obsessed with the game, we have underachieved considerably. The fact that we are 6th in ODIs and 7th in Tests shows how rotten our cricket is. We have been substandard for far too long. With our resources, we should consistently be a top 3 team.

 

[Mamoon]

All pre World Cup results shouldn't matter when it comes to the World Cup.

Inzamam's 3rd ranked ODI side was knocked out by Ireland.

Pakistan was clearly the better performer out of them and New Zealand... It's the two rained out matches plus one bad Windies match that made the difference.

New Zealand struggled to win against Bangladesh, South Africa and West Indies.

It's New Zealand who have no business being in the Semi Finals of the World Cup.

Read post 52 to understand why New Zealand deserve to qualify ahead of us.

Pre-World Cup results do matter because more often than not, rankings reflect how teams perform in a World Cup. There is a reason why most World Cups have been won by top ranked sides. If you play average cricket all year round, the chances are low that you will be able to raise your game when the World Cup comes around. Similarly, the chances of a consistent, top team performing better on a given day are also higher.

Pakistan cannot hop into a World Cup on one leg and hope and pray for miracles. This cornered tigers mentality and unpredictability is nonsense. Pakistan should aim to enter the 2023 World Cup with a top 3-4 team so that it's chances of making the semi-finals are enhanced instead of fending for excuses and moaning about not qualifying in spite of having a negative and the third worst NRR in the tournament.

 

[watchman99]

Nothing wrong with format, it was the rains which messed up Pakistan.

 

[farazaidi]

this WC had 4 washouts, how many washouts did we had in other WCs? can anyone please share the stats?

Except for the washouts, this WC had everything. Good pitches, close 280-300 games. Pacers, Spinners, batsmen all had their moments. Only one anomaly I see is that Afghanistan playing 9 games.

This format rewards consistency, why would you not want that? knockouts in 2015 had so many redundant games in group stages. This WC hardly had any redundant games, even Afghanistan provided two exciting games.

 

[Tapeballcricket]

LOL. Your team is out. It is not good enough. It will never be good enough. It will remain a 6-7 side. Cricket will never return to Pakistan. No need for delusions.

The Asia cup was an away test for India was it not against "subcontinental" sides. What happened? India didn't lose a single match and handed two heavy defeats to Pakistan.

Cricket WILL return to Pakistan, InshAllah.

We all know who was behind the attack on the Srilankan team.

And 'never be good enough', seems like you have forgotten the phanti you used to receive regularly at our hand.

Lastly, come back to earth kid, its just a game.

 

[Zaz]

Nz have been awful over the last 2 weeks

The system needs a tweek surely its not fair that u beat a couple of minnow teams and go through where others have actually won their tougher games

 

[Hyperion66]

LOL. Your team is out. It is not good enough. It will never be good enough. It will remain a 6-7 side. Cricket will never return to Pakistan. No need for delusions.

The Asia cup was an away test for India was it not against "subcontinental" sides. What happened? India didn't lose a single match and handed two heavy defeats to Pakistan.

I have got no love for Pak but the bold part is quite rude to be honest. I agree with the rest of your post. India is so far above the rest of the Asian teams that we could play our second XI against them and still win without fuss.

 

[Hyperion66]

India is number 1 because it doesn’t rigorously test itself home and away against a sub continent side. Pakistan is number 6-7 because it’s played no matches in Pakistan since 2009?

Lol at rigorous testing

We would beat teams like Pakistan, BD everywhere 9 out of 10 even without fielding our first choice team.

 

[Snatch]

You're on a Pakistani forum mate.
There's always going to be bias.

Haha so true.

It's 'victimhood' time

The 4 teams with positive NRRs went through to the semis... fitting

 

[Snatch]

Nz have been awful over the last 2 weeks

The system needs a tweek surely its not fair that u beat a couple of minnow teams and go through where others have actually won their tougher games

NZ did play poorly but still managed to finish with a positive NRR afterall, so they must have done something right. They did what they needed to do.

 

[aloo paratha]

While I don't like this format, it is not its fault that some think the lesser of the 2 sides fighting for 4th are going through. The real screw up here is the rain issue. ICC needs to sort it out. If New Zealand had won against India and we lost to SL, or even if we beat SL but didn't make it through on NRR I don't think people would be complaining.

 

[Snatch]

Format was perfect, consistency was rewarded. Pakistan got team composition right towards the end, gave it their all (maybe due to backlash of public) but they were not good enough to go to semis in a 9 match format.

They should take positives and throw out dead weight. Rebuild the team for next tournament

Yes, you can't really get a better format than all teams playing one another to establish consistently and 4 of the teams had positive NRRs.

Maybe next time to please Pakistan Passion, the ICC should make all teams play one another twice

 

[Sadevdesai]

The FORMAT was agreed on before the Tournament began !!!! ..... so crying about it now, makes you a baaaaaaad looser !!!!

 

[Snatch]

While I don't like this format, it is not its fault that some think the lesser of the 2 sides fighting for 4th are going through. The real screw up here is the rain issue. ICC needs to sort it out. If New Zealand had won against India and we lost to SL, or even if we beat SL but didn't make it through on NRR I don't think people would be complaining.

Let's be real here, some Pakistan fans would ALWAYS complain and play victim no matter what

 

[tyron_woodley]

It's no coincidence that the that the top 4 ranked ODI sides in the world are going to be playing the WC semi-finals.

This is the best format for a 10 team tournament.

no England should be banned for ensuring that the pitch offers nothing to teams that bat second. it's totally unfair. Load of crap.
Format is fine but the pitches need to be changed. England are such an overrated team. mediocre on any non flat pitches.
I don't mind tailoring the pitches to suit their style but don't freaking make it a complete disadvantage to bat second. What if England themselves lost the toss lmao?

 

[aloo paratha]

Cricket only has 6 or 7 good teams.

All deserve to play each other at the World Cup.

QF format is dumb and stupid.

Best format after this league format is the super 6 format.

Also England should be banned from holding world events until they do something about the rain effected games.

This World cup has already been going on for years and you want a Super 6? How would you even do that? The point of the Super 6 was for teams in opposing groups who haven't faced each other yet to play each other, in this league system everybody has already played against everybody else.

 

[Chokli]

This World cup has already been going on for years and you want a Super 6? How would you even do that? The point of the Super 6 was for teams in opposing groups who haven't faced each other yet to play each other, in this league system everybody has already played against everybody else.

Why would there need to be reason for a Super 6 after the league stage?

I am talking about the formats.

This 2019 World Cup was a league format.

1999 and 2003 World Cups had the Super 6 format.

What I meant was the best format if we weren't to use the current League Format would be the Super 6 format.

 

[aloo paratha]

Let's be real here, some Pakistan fans would ALWAYS complain and play victim no matter what

Yes, some delusional people will, but that's true with fans from every country. The rain issue is genuine, and needs some sort of solution.

 

[aloo paratha]

Why would there need to be reason for a Super 6 after the league stage?

I am talking about the formats.

This 2019 World Cup was a league format.

1999 and 2003 World Cups had the Super 6 format.

What I meant was the best format if we weren't to use the current League Format would be the Super 6 format.

I agree with you then. The way you worded it made it sound like you want a Super 6 before the semis.

 

[Chokli]

I agree with you then. The way you worded it made it sound like you want a Super 6 before the semis.

That would be ridiculous.

 

[Snatch]

Yes, some delusional people will, but that's true with fans from every country. The rain issue is genuine, and needs some sort of solution.

I've never seen it to the extent I see some from some fans here to be totally honest. The victimhood, paranoia and conspiracy theories are on a different level.

 

[Snatch]

If you seriously think NZ is better than PAK during the WC, I seriously doubt you watched the games. They have been crushed by Aus and ENG. While against PAK they couldnt defend 250 odd runs on a wicket that was described as a 5th day test match track.

I thought NZ played terribly, and a long way below their best, but even so they finished with an overall positive NRR and Pakistan a negative one. Get over it.

 

[aloo paratha]

That would be ridiculous.

Yeah that's why I was so confused