Naveed Akram, the surviving suspect in Sunday's mass shooting at Bondi Beach in Sydney, charged with 15 counts of murder [Update@ Post 965]

[KingKhanWC]

I guess condemning Terrorism is wrong in your opinion..

Its been condemned if you want to search the forum/thread.

Can you applaud the hero who saved lives?

 

[Devadwal]

@Rajdeep this is exactly what they are doing.

Abe agar ek Muslim terrorist attacks ni karta to kisi ko bachane ki kya jarurat thi.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2000262699394203769

 

[JaDed]

@Patriot The shooters targeted a Hanukkah celebration how is that related Aus involvement in middle east, and Pakistan was involved in that as well.. invasion of Afghanistan.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

I did. My post was deleted because of the other part.

Great then

 

[Marshland]

Its been condemned if you want to search the forum/thread.

Can you applaud the hero who saved lives?

So you're saying your condemnation is conditional?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Most of the world has moved on from the barbarity of what people did centuries ago.

You seem to justify the Bondi beach attack by saying Europeans also did it centuries ago..

Of course you've moved on as this hurts your RSS narrative. If only the race which was wiped out could move on. Sorry to upset you by posting facts.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So you're saying your condemnation is conditional?

Are you slower than Warnes slower ball?

Hello anybody home up there? knock knock?

I'll simplify, Muslims have condemned the attack ,you and the RSS folk who are bent over infront of you cannot applaud a hero who saved Australian lives.

 

[Champ_Pal]

lol here:

An unemployed bricklayer who hadn’t had a job in weeks, Naveed Akram, 24, still lived in a small bungalow in Bonnyrigg with his parents and siblings. On Sunday, he called home. He’d just been for a swim, he said, and had been scuba diving. It was a perfect weekend away fishing with his father, Sajid, he told his Italian-born mother, Verena. They were in Jervis Bay, about 100 miles south on the New South Wales coast.

“[Naveed] rings me up and said, ‘Mum, I just went for a swim. I went scuba diving. We’re going … to eat now, and then this morning, and we’re going to stay home now because it’s very hot’,” his mother told the Sydney Morning Herald. In actual fact, Naveed and his father were not in Jervis Bay. They had rented an Airbnb in Campsie in Sydney’s southwest for the weekend. From there they travelled to Bondi Beach.


As questions circle over quite how Naveed and his father had become radicalised and what fuelled their suspected terror attack over the weekend, suspicions have centred on their family background. Sajid, 50, had arrived in Australia, reportedly from Pakistan, on a student visa in 1998. Naveed’s mother joined them in about 2001. There are claims that Naveed was closer to his father, amid suggestions that his parents may have had separated.

His mother, for her part, said she had no idea of what they had been about to do. “He doesn’t even go out,” she said. “He doesn’t mix around with friends. He doesn’t drink, he doesn’t smoke, he doesn’t go to bad places … he goes to work, he comes home, he goes to exercise, and that’s it. Anyone would wish to have a son like my son … he’s a good boy.”

She insisted that her son did not have a firearm. In fact, it was his father who held the gun licences, legally possessing six firearms, though friends who worked with Naveed on building sites over the past five years recalled that he was an enthusiast. “We used to talk about going shooting,” one colleague, called Lachie, told 9 News’s A Current Affair. Naveed, however, had responded with a cryptic warning. “I don’t know if that would be good for you,” he told Lachie.

Mal Lanyon, the New South Wales police commissioner, said Sajid had held a gun licence for recreational hunting. “The father has held a firearms licence since 2015,” he said. “We are very much working through the background of both persons at this stage. We know very little about them.”

Lachie said that Naveed had been “fairly polite and respectful”, adding that he “had his views but never pushed anything on anyone”. He spoke about religion “sometimes” and boxed to keep fit. Naveed had been known to police on a “very limited” basis.

Anthony Albanese, the prime minister, said Naveed had appeared on the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation’s radar more than six years ago. “The son first came to [ASIO’s] attention in October 2019,” he said. “He was examined on the basis of being associated with others, and the assessment was made that there was no indication of any ongoing threat or threat of him engaging in violence.

“ASIO [was aware of him] with respect to his associations, rather than at that point there being a personal [terrorism] motivation from him.”

The Australian Broadcasting Corporation reported that Naveed had close ties to a Sydney-based Islamic State cell. He was allegedly connected to the self-declared Australian commander of the group, who is serving seven years in jail for a terrorist offence.

The pair visited the Philippines just weeks before their attack, raising concerns that they were being influenced by Islamic extremists. Police sources said that both men had travelled to the southeast Asian nation in November.

Police are investigating Naveed and Sajid’s links to Islamic State terror ideology after a flag was found in the car in Bondi after the shooting, along with improvised explosive devices. The Islamic State of East Asia, a branch of the terror group, has been a proscribed terrorist group by the Australian government since 2017.

Police said on Monday that it was too early to confirm the pair’s motives for the attack targeting Sydney’s Jewish community.

Lachie recalled that Naveed had left his job a few weeks ago after telling colleagues he had injured his hand, intending to return in the new year. “One of the last things he said to the boys was that he wanted to be remembered,” Lachie said.

Hmmm, what could be the motive behind attack on the Jewish community for Naveed and Sajid? This could be a mystery that will never be solved.

 

[Devadwal]

Pak Army - linked ISPR bots are circulating an AI-generated, manipulated video falsely claiming the Bondi Beach attacker was Indian, using fabricated quotes attributed to an Australian coworker.

In reality, he never said anything about nationality of the terrorist .

Here is orginal Link of entire interview.

@The Bald Eagle next propaganda please

 

[Marshland]

Are you slower than Warnes slower ball?

Hello anybody home up there? knock knock?

I'll simplify, Muslims have condemned the attack ,you and the RSS folk who are bent over infront of you cannot applaud a hero who saved Australian lives.

Who is RSS? The man's name is Ahmed and he deserves an Order of Australia in my book.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Of course you've moved on as this hurts your RSS narrative. If only the race which was wiped out could move on. Sorry to upset you by posting facts.

This incident like all the terror attacks around the world have nothing to do with RSS or Hindutva or India......

Sorry to upset your by posting this simple fact.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Who is RSS? The man's name is Ahmed and he deserves an Order of Australia in my book.

RSS are your fanboys who have been defending you. They will now cry knowing you dont care and have no clue who they are.

Well done , well done. Finally after days you can call him a hero.

But your rss fans wont

 

[JaDed]

Parents are the ones who always cause the issue , while I agree Naveed is on the wrong as he is 24 , but there is no doubt his father planted all those thoughts where he wanted to help his father, absolute disaster.

This is why assimilation or atleast somewhat integration is important, and yes this goes for the US shooters too..

 

[Patriot]

@Patriot The shooters targeted a Hanukkah celebration how is that related Aus involvement in middle east, and Pakistan was involved in that as well.. invasion of Afghanistan.

I have been derailing this thread by responding to specific comments made by other posters.

My point stands, any country that has illegally invaded another has committed crimes, whether it’s the US or Pakistan.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Expected post from you bro. Few Pakistanis already applauded you...congrats.

Doesn't matter who is fighting, Indians, Pakisatnis, Muslims, Jews, @JaDed is always bearing the brunt for not issuing proper condemnations.

 

[Marshland]

RSS are you fanboys who have been defending you. They will now cry knowing you dont care and have no clue who they are.

Well done , well done. Finally after days you can call him a hero.

But your rss fans wont

If anything, I have no clue what you're on about. Another failure of the UK immigration policy is your weak grasp of English language all these years later.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Hmmm, what could be the motive behind attack on the Jewish community for Naveed and Sajid? This could be a mystery that will never be solved.

This is plain and simple, there’s nothing unclear about it.

 

[Champ_Pal]

After this thread, expect @finalfantasy7 and @sweep_shot go into Ultra Pro Max mode in reporting crime in India.

I predict 5 threads per day for the next 7 days on how bad India is for minorities, women, children, traffic, dogs, squirrels.... The threads will keep popping until this Bondi beach massacre news dies down and people move on...

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Parents are the ones who always cause the issue , while I agree Naveed is on the wrong as he is 24 , but there is no doubt his father planted all those thoughts where he wanted to help his father, absolute disaster.

This is why assimilation or atleast somewhat integration is important, and yes this goes for the US shooters too..

In some of these religiously motivated attacks, kids can often be more extreme than their parents.

We sen few people from UK run to join ISIS, parents were mild mannered and innocents, but kids got into the clutches of extremism.

It could be that he indoctrinated his father. ISIS usually use social media and these things for indoctrination, which is more likely to be aimed at the younger guy than the older.

 

[Champ_Pal]

The poor Italian Mom of Naveed. She did not know whom she married.

 

[RexRex]

Hmmm, what could be the motive behind attack on the Jewish community for Naveed and Sajid? This could be a mystery that will never be solved.

Martyrdom is the motive, if I had to guess.

 

[KingKhanWC]

People got killed and you continue with your bs, a Muslim guy carried out the attack not a Hindu or a jew, your bs wont change that fact

Many more get raped daily and killed by Hindus inc by yogis or priests. If youre going to generalise and attack a faith, you will be given information which dispells your RSS bs. Again, years and years and you still keep coming.

 

[Bhaijaan]

What in the world is going on here. Sanatanis and Pak Army fans have apparently forged an unlikely alliance against Brit Pakistanis and PTI fans? WTH

 

[JaDed]

In some of these religiously motivated attacks, kids can often be more extreme than their parents.

We sen few people from UK run to join ISIS, parents were mild mannered and innocents, but kids got into the clutches of extremism.

It could be that he indoctrinated his father. ISIS usually use social media and these things for indoctrination, which is more likely to be aimed at the younger guy than the older.

Yes because the kids grow up with those thoughts in their teenage years, those are their cornerstone memories.

Father could had had a very good childhood where he had time and privilege to develop a bigoted thought process..

This is exactly why school integration is important.
There is a movie on this too American History X, a lot of white supremacist ideas are planted by the parents into their children.

The influence of parents on their children deserves a separate thread, once @finalfantasy7 bhai is done for his yearly quota I’ll make one.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Hahah...from the same interview at 4:30 onwards precisely at 4:47. He said following..

Do you agree with him now????? (Read the subtitle )

Pak Army - linked ISPR bots are circulating an AI-generated, manipulated video falsely claiming the Bondi Beach attacker was Indian, using fabricated quotes attributed to an Australian coworker.

In reality, he never said anything about nationality of the terrorist .

Here is orginal Link of entire interview.

@The Bald Eagle next propaganda please

.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Doesn't matter who is fighting, Indians, Pakisatnis, Muslims, Jews, @JaDed is always bearing the brunt for not issuing proper condemnations.

He is a man of open conscience

 

[Champ_Pal]

Many more get raped daily and killed by Hindus inc by yogis or priests. If youre going to generalise and attack a faith, you will be given information which dispells your RSS bs. Again, years and years and you still keep coming.

Rapes and murders are crime in India and the law will handle it in India.

You cannot equate the mass massacre of Aussie Jews by an immigrant who clearly has not left his hatred behind when he moved to Australia. This attackers Naveed and Sajid had nothing to do with Gazans, IDF and the current war that is going on there. Their family was never affected by the Gaza war. But still he took it personal and committed the dastardly attack.

 

[Varun]

What in the world is going on here. Sanatanis and Pak Army fans have apparently forged an unlikely alliance against Brit Pakistanis and PTI fans? WTH

I've always maintained that Pakistanis in Pakistan are much more well rounded compared to the BBCDs who will stick out like a sore thumb in a pub in London as they will in a gymkhana in Lahore.

 

[Major]

What in the world is going on here. Sanatanis and Pak Army fans have apparently forged an unlikely alliance against Brit Pakistanis and PTI fans? WTH

Bro it isnt about alliances or jokes.

12 people died. That too in australia, where mass shootings can have policy changes.

And yet, im seeing bakwas like oh its a jewish conspiracy, what about palestine, lets bash india, why a common name was being searched on google, and some are hoping he is an afghani.

The brit pakistanis/pti fans have really stoop to the lowest level here.

Than there is a group of people that want muslims to be praised for stopping the attack. Bhai, if you expect praise than also expect criticism aswell. Cant have it one way.

12 people losing their lives in a shoot out in a developed country isnt taken lightly.

But it seems like its a free for all to post any kind of bakwas.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Guys refrain from personal jibes, instead speak on topic or leave the thread

 

[Devadwal]

Hahah...from the same interview at 4:30 onwards precisely at 4:47. He said following..

Do you agree with him now????? (Read the subtitle )
View attachment 160057



.

Hahahaha hahahaha

Do I care? Absolutely not.

I'm simply exposing fake Pakistani propaganda being spread using AI-generated, manipulated videos falsely claiming that the Bondi Beach attacker was Indian.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Bro it isnt about alliances or jokes.

12 people died. That too in australia, where mass shootings can have policy changes.

And yet, im seeing bakwas like oh its a jewish conspiracy, what about palestine, lets bash india, why a common name was being searched on google, and some are hoping he is an afghani.

The brit pakistanis/pti fans have really stoop to the lowest level here.

Than there is a group of people that want muslims to be praised for stopping the attack. Bhai, if you expect praise than also expect criticism aswell. Cant have it one way.

12 people losing their lives in a shoot out in a developed country isnt taken lightly.

But it seems like its a free for all to post any kind of bakwas.

There is a mentality amongst some people that when an attack takes place against non-muslims, whether in India or anywhere else, the default is a false flag; they did it themselves.

It genuinley makes me quite sad when I see this.

But when an attack happens in Pakistan, then it can never be a false flag; then the blame is on India, or all Afghanistanis.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Hahahaha hahahaha

Do I care? Absolutely not.

I'm simply exposing fake Pakistani propaganda being spread using AI-generated, manipulated videos falsely claiming that the Bondi Beach attacker was Indian.

By the way, this clip has been removed from the interview... apparently to not affect the investigation regarding his identity

https://twitter.com/x/status/2000514848313184553

 

[Technics 1210]

Muslims and Islamic countries have condemned the attack like a millions time over.

Tommy Anglo Saxon boy living on stolen land doesn't care, because his ancestral DNA has kicked it - if you're not white, you ain't right.

 

[Devadwal]

By the way, this clip has been removed from the interview... apparently to not affect the investigation regarding his identity

https://twitter.com/x/status/2000514848313184553

Hahahaha . .what May one day Pakistan also removed from World map. Lol

I mean koi limit hoti h fake propaganda ki bhi

;kp

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Hahahaha . .what May one day Pakistan also removed from World map. Lol

I mean koi limit hoti h fake propaganda ki bhi

;kp

Hahaha ...I have literally exposed you two times just today...including Pak jersey guy and then this clip of his coworker...and yet you call other propagandists...try something new. You can't disguise yourself anymore, mr factory owner

 

[globetrotter]

But Saar, Hindutva is the biggest threat to the world saar. Believe me saar....

Musli. Terrorists are most peaceful community on the planet..... from Munich attack to bonding beach attack they are all over

 

[Devadwal]

Hahaha ...I have literally exposed you two times just today...including Pak jersey guy and then this clip of his coworker...and yet you call other propagandists...try something new. You can't disguise yourself anymore, mr factory owner

I exposed you by using orginal Link. And yes that terrorist is wearing Pakistan cricket team jersey. I know you're used to but sorry it's only works in pakistan not with me.

 

[globetrotter]

Musli. Terrorists are most peaceful community on the planet..... from Munich attack to bonding beach attack they are all over

Muslim

 

[KingKhanWC]

Rapes and murders are crime in India and the law will handle it in India.

You cannot equate the mass massacre of Aussie Jews by an immigrant who clearly has not left his hatred behind when he moved to Australia. This attackers Naveed and Sajid had nothing to do with Gazans, IDF and the current war that is going on there. Their family was never affected by the Gaza war. But still he took it personal and committed the dastardly attack.

It was a point for 5 year olds to understand. Violence ,abuse and killings are global, there is evil all around. Nobody knows the motives, maybe revenge for dead children. Palestinians are killing IDF scm as they rightly should , this person has nothing to do with them.

Anyway bored of this thread, Israelis are murdering more people daily. Time to watch football.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Bro it isnt about alliances or jokes.

12 people died. That too in australia, where mass shootings can have policy changes.

And yet, im seeing bakwas like oh its a jewish conspiracy, what about palestine, lets bash india, why a common name was being searched on google, and some are hoping he is an afghani.

The brit pakistanis/pti fans have really stoop to the lowest level here.

Than there is a group of people that want muslims to be praised for stopping the attack. Bhai, if you expect praise than also expect criticism aswell. Cant have it one way.

12 people losing their lives in a shoot out in a developed country isnt taken lightly.

But it seems like its a free for all to post any kind of bakwas.

I respect your spot on comments in this thread and in Dhurandhar movie discussion thread. Great honesty and common sense.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I've always maintained that Pakistanis in Pakistan are much more well rounded compared to the BBCDs who will stick out like a sore thumb in a pub in London as they will in a gymkhana in Lahore.

That makes two of us.
Resident Pakistanis are nicer humans in general, have a great sense of humour and very sharp people. @Rana is a star for example.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

I exposed you by using orginal Link. And yes that terrorist is wearing Pakistan cricket team jersey. I know you're used to but sorry it's only works in pakistan not with me.

Hahah...if he was wearing a Pakistan team jersey then you wear it everytime you wear something green...hahah don't make a joke of yourself. Come up with even a single clear pic. Unlike you lot, I will accept it. Period

 

[Devadwal]

Hahah...if he was wearing a Pakistan team jersey then you wear it everytime you wear something green...hahah don't make a joke of yourself. Come up with even a single clear pic. Unlike you lot, I will accept it. Period

Stop using other people's name. I talked about terrorists photo in his driving licence.

For more information see it not what you posted.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2000166568282710387

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Gunmen not part of wider cell, but 'clearly' motivated by extremism - Albanese

Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says the two gunmen were acting alone and not part of a wider extremist cell.

"There's no evidence of collusion, no evidence that these people were part of a cell," he tells Australian broadcaster ABC, but they were "clearly" motivated by "extremist ideology."

He also confirms that police are not investigating a third person involved in the shooting, but that "a range of IEDs [improvised explosive device]" were found in the car.

When asked about the younger shooter, named by local media as Naveed Akram, Albanese confirms that he was not part of a counter terrorism watchlist.

He says the alleged attacker was investigated in 2019 over his connections to two people who were subsequently jailed.

The six-month investigation found no evidence of the attacker planning or considering any act of violence or antisemitism, Albanese says.

Source: BBC

 

[Champ_Pal]

It was a point for 5 year olds to understand. Violence ,abuse and killings are global, there is evil all around. Nobody knows the motives, maybe revenge for dead children. Palestinians are killing IDF scm as they rightly should , this person has nothing to do with them.

Anyway bored of this thread, Israelis are murdering more people daily. Time to watch football.

So you think mass shootings and massacre of dozens for their religion is normal?

You seem to be telling that there is nothing to see here and everyone should move on.

Aussie Jews have nothing to do with IDF or the Gaza war. You have run out of ideas KKWC.

 

[Marshland]

Anyway bored of this thread, Israelis are murdering more people daily. Time to watch football.

Of course you're bored, while 12 families weep.

Mission accomplished as far as you are concerned.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Stop using other people's name. I talked about terrorists photo in his driving licence.

For more information see it not what you posted.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2000166568282710387

Lol so just a dark green collar makes it a Pakistan jersey

By the way, so are you implying when he got that license prepared probably in 2015 WC, when he was 13, right?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Stop using other people's name. I talked about terrorists photo in his driving licence.

For more information see it not what you posted.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2000166568282710387

Pakistan has nothing to do with this Naveed dude's actions.

I doubt any Pakistani wants to associate himself with that scumbag terrorist. He is clearly religiously motivated.

 

[Buffet]

It's not a Pakistani issue.

It's religious extremist views pushed too far, getting brainwahsed and then some one even in Aus is killing others for religions.

There are many extremists even in this thread. Hopefully none of them take it to another level.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

certain sects in Islam also push extreme narratives too which can brainwash the child.

This current form via, ISIS is the most dangerous group known to man.

It is frightening how they can hijack sensible people's minds.

From our POV as muslims we have the additional challenge of ensuring our young ones are safe from this thinking.

 

[straighttalk]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2000315200508231702

Gods chosen people working out the future.

@Devadwal without opening this link..I know it's a doctored tweet...these people really lack an iota of common sense or logic..

 

[ahsan17]

Pakistan-origin man living in Sydney falsely identified as Bondi Beach gunman fears his life is in danger

Pakistan-origin man living in Sydney falsely identified as Bondi Beach gunman fears his life is in danger

Man, who shares the same name as with one of the suspected shooters, issues plea for help; says he "can't go outside safely".

www.dawn.com

So it seems the cricket jersey guy is not the fan - apologies to @Devadwal and many other andhbakhts for bringing this bad news. The guy was born in Australia. Has the father's origin country been identified?

 

[emranabbas]

This current form via, ISIS is the most dangerous group known to man.

It is frightening how they can hijack sensible people's minds.

From our POV as muslims we have the additional challenge of ensuring our young ones are safe from this thinking.

This is where our focus should be, rather than wasting time defending terrorists or trying to justify the unjustifiable.
There has been a clear rise in people giving dawah on the streets, and while it may appear harmless on the surface, this is often where the problem starts. Vulnerable and young individuals are targeted, slowly influenced, and fed selective narratives that can shape their thinking over time. This kind of grooming and brainwashing lays the foundation for extreme views, which later manifest in far more dangerous ways if left unchallenged.

I have seen this happened with my own two eyes.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Many more get raped daily and killed by Hindus inc by yogis or priests. If youre going to generalise and attack a faith, you will be given information which dispells your RSS bs. Again, years and years and you still keep coming.

Years and years and terrorists keep killing innocent people

Australia faceda terrorist attack by a Muslim you attacking Hindus won’t change that fact go look inside your own community and try to find what the problem is,

 

[Bhaijaan]

This current form via, ISIS is the most dangerous group known to man.

It is frightening how they can hijack sensible people's minds.

From our POV as muslims we have the additional challenge of ensuring our young ones are safe from this thinking.

Do you know of families that are very radicalised. How can society identify them before something like this happens.

 

[Red-Indian]

certain sects in Islam also push extreme narratives too which can brainwash the child.

I once debated maybe 10 years ago on a forum with a sensible Pakistani Muslim guy on why the community is not able to introspect on why young guys...even those who grow up in the West are sometimes radicalised and willing to take innocent lives and sacrifice their own for some nebulous religious cause. Why don't we see these debates and handwringing from folks in the community like we worry about stuff like juvenile delinquency

What he said stuck with me. He told me there's massive amounts of internal debate in the community on why this is happening and what can be done to prevent it. What prevents it from being shared more openly is the reluctance to show any weakness to a West that's already pretty Islamophobic and desire perhaps driven by shame that these problems have to be solved internally withing the community. It's very rare that a Muslim will be willing to admit these concerns to an outsider.

I believe this attitude is misguided. The more we are able to discuss these issues in the light of the day, the more likely we are to be able to reach some solution. What the Western governments are doing - increased surveillance and monitoring as well as what Muslim communities are doing - trying to solve the problems internally will both just drive the issues deeper underground. We need more books and movies like the Reluctant Fundamentalist and Four Lions. Ironically of course neither of the movies were made by Muslims.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Of course you're bored, while 12 families weep.

Mission accomplished as far as you are concerned.

Hundreds of thousands are weeping daily around the world. Australians are no more special than others. I've discussed this while you glee when others who you dont like are murdered.

 

[Technics 1210]

This current form via, ISIS is the most dangerous group known to man.

It is frightening how they can hijack sensible people's minds.

From our POV as muslims we have the additional challenge of ensuring our young ones are safe from this thinking.

No. Ask yourself why ISIS has never carried out an attack on Israeli or Saudi soil.

Get your young ones to critical thinking.

 

[Devadwal]

Pakistan-origin man living in Sydney falsely identified as Bondi Beach gunman fears his life is in danger

Pakistan-origin man living in Sydney falsely identified as Bondi Beach gunman fears his life is in danger

Man, who shares the same name as with one of the suspected shooters, issues plea for help; says he "can't go outside safely".

www.dawn.com

So it seems the cricket jersey guy is not the fan - apologies to @Devadwal and many other andhbakhts for bringing this bad news. The guy was born in Australia. Has the father's origin country been identified?

As usual Pakistani are using another person story to hide the real terrorist identity.

Both are different person and terrorism Naveed Akram photo is already spread all over word's.

Stop using a another Naved Akram whose photo is circulating wearing Pakistan cricket team jersey. That was not terrorist

I'm using the terrorist Naveed Akram photo in his licence Card. Zoom that photos.

I knows you're selling the Lahori chooran but this is only works in Pakistan not with me.

Try again

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Stop using other people's name. I talked about terrorists photo in his driving licence.

For more information see it not what you posted.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2000166568282710387

@The Bald Eagle

 

[Technics 1210]

Who is RSS? The man's name is Ahmed and he deserves an Order of Australia in my book.

Now see this folks.

People like this tool will claim they have no idea who RSS are (despite claiming to be member of PP of time), but you can all bet all your money he can pinpoint Israel, IDF, and as an Atheist support the divine right of the 'chosen ones'.

Your enemy is not Islam, its the likes of Marshland and his ilk - the cult.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

No. Ask yourself why ISIS has never carried out an attack on Israeli or Saudi soil.

Get your young ones to critical thinking.

It doesn't matter where they attack.

Even if you believe they are all false flag attacks carried out by Zionists - then doesn't it make you uncomfortable how people are willing to become cannon fodder for this cause.

 

[KingKhanWC]

No. Ask yourself why ISIS has never carried out an attack on Israeli or Saudi soil.

Get your young ones to critical thinking.

Also ask why ISIS top 6 commanders came out of an American base in Iraq, radicalised.

We know their BS now, nobody is falling for it. Zionists are planning false flags all over the globe, since the 40's.

 

[Technics 1210]

It doesn't matter where they attack.

Even if you believe they are all false flag attacks carried out by Zionists - then doesn't it make you uncomfortable how people are willing to become cannon fodder for this cause.

Yes it does matter where they attack.

You can believe what you want, but if this attack happened in Scotland/Pakistan then you wouldn't be pulling the Rosemary routine.

 

[Marshland]

Now see this folks.

People like this tool will claim they have no idea who RSS are (despite claiming to be member of PP of time), but you can all bet all your money he can pinpoint Israel, IDF, and as an Atheist support the divine right of the 'chosen ones'.

Your enemy is not Islam, its the likes of Marshland and his ilk - the cult.

As I've said, I have no strong opinion either way about Israel or Gaza, just that us stepping into that muck led to this terror attack in some way.

However, I do now have a strong opinion of the UK immigration policy after reading the likes of you.

 

[Technics 1210]

Also ask why ISIS top 6 commanders came out of an American base in Iraq, radicalised.

We know their BS now, nobody is falling for it. Zionists are planning false flags all over the globe, since the 40's.

Exactly.

Just waiting for the 'miracle' passport to be washed up on shore! This passport will also have credit cards, SIMs, and a post it note revealing everything about the attacker.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Hundreds of thousands are weeping daily around the world. Australians are no more special than others. I've discussed this while you glee when others who you dont like are murdered.

Zionests extremism at work. They have all the tools required to go at any lengths.

All these leaches who have suddenly become keyboard warriors to bash muslims, never condone the barbaric acts of zionest extremism.

 

[Technics 1210]

As I've said, I have no strong opinion either way about Israel or Gaza, just that us stepping into that muck led to this terror attack in some way.

However, I do now have a strong opinion of the UK immigration policy after reading the likes of you.

You just got exposed.

I have strong opinions about your white race. You are an immigrant who migrated down under, you were not even born in Australia. Wasn't your father Indian? What does this say about Australian immigration letting you and your fam in?

 

[Patriot]

I didn't know there is a job called genocide scholar. But that aside tell me what Israel is supposed to do. Take the example of Pakistan. It bombed Afghanistan civilians for a chronic terrorism issue ...terrorism committed by pakistanis on pakistani people. It happened I've r a long time. Now on Oct 7 1000 people were killed. What would Israel do? What would Pakistan do in that case?

It's Hamas who started this war...it's they who hid behind civilians. It's their and Iran's fault. Not Israel and not the Palestinians who are not Hamas sympathizers. Israel asked civilians to leave. Hamas didn't allow them to leave. Israel allowed humanitarian aid...Hamas did not allow it to reach the needy. Israel targeted Hamas ...not killing of all Muslims or all Palestinians. So by definition it does not meet the genocide definition.

It's a war there will be casualties. There were drone attacks in Pakistan...is the genocide. Being a Pakistani...I would have expected more as what Punjabis did to Bengalis in 1971...that meets the definition of genocide...,3 million vs ,50k all for winning an election.

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Stop with the claim that it doesn’t meet the definition of genocide when you are no expert. As I have said 80% of genocide scholars have said it is a genocide including Israeli scholars in Israel such as Amos Goldberg.

Israel should have given the Palestinians their land. They have never agreed to a fair deal. They should not have blockaded Gaza since 1967 where they annexed both Gaza and the West Bank and East Jerusalem illegally. They should stop their illegal annexation and occupation of the West Bank. They should have not kidnapped thousands of Palestinians including children without cause that are sitting in Israeli prisons being abused without due process, not allowed lawyers or allowed to even see their charges. Where they are seen by a court, they are being tried under a military court. What kind of democracy tries kids under a military court?

They have killed 20,000 children and these are only registered deaths where family members have made the Hamas authorities known about this. So many more children massacred. They have been sniping kids in the heads as per foreign Drs testimonies. They have done unspeakable things. Their cabinet ministers have used genocidal language.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I didn't know there is a job called genocide scholar. But that aside tell me what Israel is supposed to do. Take the example of Pakistan. It bombed Afghanistan civilians for a chronic terrorism issue ...terrorism committed by pakistanis on pakistani people. It happened I've r a long time. Now on Oct 7 1000 people were killed. What would Israel do? What would Pakistan do in that case?

It's Hamas who started this war...it's they who hid behind civilians. It's their and Iran's fault. Not Israel and not the Palestinians who are not Hamas sympathizers. Israel asked civilians to leave. Hamas didn't allow them to leave. Israel allowed humanitarian aid...Hamas did not allow it to reach the needy. Israel targeted Hamas ...not killing of all Muslims or all Palestinians. So by definition it does not meet the genocide definition.

It's a war there will be casualties. There were drone attacks in Pakistan...is the genocide. Being a Pakistani...I would have expected more as what Punjabis did to Bengalis in 1971...that meets the definition of genocide...,3 million vs ,50k all for winning an election.

Why is it ok in your eyes to kill tens of thousands of people, including children, without any trial, based on a loose connection with Hamas?

If you are willing to give Israel excuses for this mass murder of children, then you should be willing to accept that Hamas can make those same excuses for why they murdered people on October 7.

What the Israelis have done in Gaza is inhumane, and it is a sad reflection on the mindset of people like you that you think it is an appropriate use of your time to justify it, downplay it and celebrate it.

 

[Marshland]

You just got exposed.

I have strong opinions about your white race. You are an immigrant who migrated down under, you were not even born in Australia. Wasn't your father Indian? What does this say about Australian immigration letting you and your fam in?

Looks like you too are losing the grasp of your keyboard and the English language too like your comrade.

The thing that's repeatedly getting exposed on this thread? The UK immigration policy.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

As I've said, I have no strong opinion either way about Israel or Gaza, just that us stepping into that muck led to this terror attack in some way.

However, I do now have a strong opinion of the UK immigration policy after reading the likes of you.

You wont have an opnion as its against your narrative. Mass slaughter of Palestinians for best part of 80 years not enough to condemn the barbaric acts of extremists

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Do you know of families that are very radicalised. How can society identify them before something like this happens.

Not radicalised to the point of violence.

 

[Patriot]

All Israel had to do was give the Palestinians a fair deal and the world would have been a different place. They would have had good relations with all Muslim and Arab nations. Instead they chose violence and ethnic cleansing.

 

[Technics 1210]

Looks like you too are losing the grasp of your keyboard and the English language too like your comrade.

The thing that's repeatedly getting exposed on this thread? The UK immigration policy.

Here you go folks.

You see, Marshland was processed as a child at the Australian border, before he and his half Indian family settled on the stolen land.

These frauds are so easy to expose. This guy is have Aussie half cult.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Here you go folks.

You see, Marshland was processed as a child at the Australian border, before he and his half Indian family settled on the stolen land.

These frauds are so easy to expose. This guy is have Aussie half cult.

Never knew indian wombats existed

 

[emranabbas]

I once debated maybe 10 years ago on a forum with a sensible Pakistani Muslim guy on why the community is not able to introspect on why young guys...even those who grow up in the West are sometimes radicalised and willing to take innocent lives and sacrifice their own for some nebulous religious cause. Why don't we see these debates and handwringing from folks in the community like we worry about stuff like juvenile delinquency

What he said stuck with me. He told me there's massive amounts of internal debate in the community on why this is happening and what can be done to prevent it. What prevents it from being shared more openly is the reluctance to show any weakness to a West that's already pretty Islamophobic and desire perhaps driven by shame that these problems have to be solved internally withing the community. It's very rare that a Muslim will be willing to admit these concerns to an outsider.

I believe this attitude is misguided. The more we are able to discuss these issues in the light of the day, the more likely we are to be able to reach some solution. What the Western governments are doing - increased surveillance and monitoring as well as what Muslim communities are doing - trying to solve the problems internally will both just drive the issues deeper underground. We need more books and movies like the Reluctant Fundamentalist and Four Lions. Ironically of course neither of the movies were made by Muslims.

That so-called sensible Pakistani Muslim guy was talking rubbish. In reality, these issues are rarely discussed at all not in public forums, not in mosques, not in community spaces, and not even in private conversations. When the subject does come up, it is usually shut down quickly, deflected, or reframed as an external conspiracy rather than examined honestly.

Instead of meaningful self-reflection, much of the Pakistani Muslim community operates from a deeply rooted victim mindset. Problems are blamed on the West, foreign intelligence agencies, Islamophobia, or political enemies, while internal failures such as extremist interpretations, poor religious education, are ignored or outright denied. This mentality discourages accountability and makes honest discussion feel like betrayal rather than responsibility.

As a result, anyone who raises uncomfortable questions is often labelled a traitor, an agent, or someone “helping the enemy,” which further silences debate. This culture of defensiveness prevents genuine reform and allows the same patterns to repeat themselves. Until the community moves beyond victimhood and accepts that internal criticism is not an attack but a necessity, these problems will continue to fester rather than be resolved.

 

[Varun]

In a dozen years of my time here, I am yet trying to find a common ground to connect with British Pakistanis...but I just can't.

Their wavelength is so different than everybody else, in a bad way.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I once debated maybe 10 years ago on a forum with a sensible Pakistani Muslim guy on why the community is not able to introspect on why young guys...even those who grow up in the West are sometimes radicalised and willing to take innocent lives and sacrifice their own for some nebulous religious cause. Why don't we see these debates and handwringing from folks in the community like we worry about stuff like juvenile delinquency

What he said stuck with me. He told me there's massive amounts of internal debate in the community on why this is happening and what can be done to prevent it. What prevents it from being shared more openly is the reluctance to show any weakness to a West that's already pretty Islamophobic and desire perhaps driven by shame that these problems have to be solved internally withing the community. It's very rare that a Muslim will be willing to admit these concerns to an outsider.

I believe this attitude is misguided. The more we are able to discuss these issues in the light of the day, the more likely we are to be able to reach some solution. What the Western governments are doing - increased surveillance and monitoring as well as what Muslim communities are doing - trying to solve the problems internally will both just drive the issues deeper underground. We need more books and movies like the Reluctant Fundamentalist and Four Lions. Ironically of course neither of the movies were made by Muslims.

Reluctant Fundamentalist is based on a book by Mohsin Hamid - A Pakistani writer.

I think attitudes have changed since your friend mentioned it a decade ago. There is tremendous work carried out, across communities. Muslim community is engaged and working across all sectors of society to increase tolerance.

Online, you will only see the loudmouths on both sides, but on the ground, sensible people know that it is in both sides' best interests to work together to combat this.

Today it is a badge of honour for a mosque to report someone for extremism ( it happens, I have seen it firsthand), and most groups are happy to point the finger at other Muslim ideologies as being the culprit ( mainly they blame Salafis, and Salafis then say the extremists are not representative of them).

Finally, The underlying ideology is not always religious despite the outside garment being religious. If you were to study deeply, the motiviations of the Kashmiri Doctors, and these guys killing in Australia would be quite different. They just happen to be Muslims, but it is rare that they are fighting a purely religious cause. There is an underlying political reason for it, which is usually stronger than the religious motive.