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Navjot Singh Sidhu vs Saeed Anwar - Better opening batsman?

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Not an usual India Pakistan comparison here.Arguably two of the greatest openers of 90s, both were known for their aggressive display of cricket. While Sidhu was better vs spin, Anwar was better against pace.

Statistically,

Tests:-

Anwar:- Avg 45
Sidhu:- Avg 43

ODIs:-

Anwar:- Avg 39
Sidhu:- Avg 37

I know it is hard to pick one, but why not give a try. Who do you think was a better opener, discuss?
 
Sidhu was terrible against pace. All he could do is block block and block some more. But he was ruthless against medium pacers and spinners.

Anwar is a much better player of Pace. Not as good as Sidhu against Spin.

Overall, I will pick Anwar.
 
Lol this has to be a joke ..like Kapil dev Vs afridi
 
Saeed Anwar was several leagues above Sidhu in both Tests and ODIs.
 
This is a fine example of how stats without context will leave some fans of this sport blind due to sheer ignorance.

My advice to OP if you want to post stats and make such a comparison, firstly produce relevant stats so there is the basis of context for e.g. averages in different countries so we can see how the batsman fares in various bowling conditions which would also give an indicator of how good they are against faster and slower bowling.

Secondly don't shy away from posting the strike rates especially in ODIs. Sidhu has a SR of 69 whereas Saeed's is 80. That's a difference of a huge 16%!

If you had looked these up, you would have realised how absurd this post is.
 
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Not an usual India Pakistan comparison here.Arguably two of the greatest openers of 90s, both were known for their aggressive display of cricket. While Sidhu was better vs spin, Anwar was better against pace.

Statistically,

Tests:-

Anwar:- Avg 45
Sidhu:- Avg 43

ODIs:-

Anwar:- Avg 39
Sidhu:- Avg 37


I know it is hard to pick one, but why not give a try. Who do you think was a better opener, discuss?

Post SR for both in ODI.

Post Test away average.
 
This is a fine example of how stats without context will leave some fans of this sport blind due to sheer ignorance.

My advice to OP if you want to post stats and make such a comparison, firstly produce relevant stats so there is the basis of context for e.g. averages in different countries so we can see how the batsman fares in various bowling conditions which would also give an indicator of how good they are against faster and slower bowling.

Secondly don't shy away from posting the strike rates especially in ODIs. Sidhu has a SR of 69 whereas Saeed's is 80. That's a difference of a huge 16%!

If you had looked these up, you would have realised how absurd this post is.

Yup like I said, it's a shame comparing legends like Saeed anwar and Kapil dev with nobodies like siddhu and afridi
 
Just highlights how shockingly underwhelming Anwar's overall stats are, given he's being compared to Sidhu. Anyone who watched him bat would laugh at this comparison. There was a time where Tendulkar, Mark Waugh, Lara and Anwar were in the same bracket of elite batsmen in the world.
 
Just highlights how shockingly underwhelming Anwar's overall stats are, given he's being compared to Sidhu. Anyone who watched him bat would laugh at this comparison. There was a time where Tendulkar, Mark Waugh, Lara and Anwar were in the same bracket of elite batsmen in the world.

I think not putting SR gives a misleading impression. An average of 35 can be vastly different in ODI based on two different SR.
 
Anwar, it's not close and I think both sets of fans who saw both play will agree.
 
Post SR for both in ODI.

Post Test away average.

Someone has already posted test away average.

Hence, SR for both in ODIs:-

Anwar:- 80
Sidhu:- 69

69 is a very good SR for Sidhu era. Also, we have to remember he was quite aggressive batsmen. So, that part hardly matters.
 
Ridiculous comparison.

Saeed Anwar is Brazil in football.
Sidhu is Norway in comparison.

Sidhu is however officially a hero of mine for going to IKs oath ceremony for no gain and against the wishes of most Hindus.
 
I'm sorry you're comparing a player who has 6 ODI hundreds with a guy who has 20. He also had 27 MoM awards, was wisden cricketer of the year in 1997. And at one point he was beating Tendulkar in the race for the most ODI hundreds, leading 14 to Sachin's 12 till 1997(Both debuted in 1989). He averaged more than 40 for most of his career with a very high strike rate. It was only after his daughter's death that his figures started dropping.
Sachin's greatness lies in his excellence and longevity. But for the best part of the 1990s, we had our own Tendulkar and boy was he a joy to watch.
If Tendulkar was Messi, Saeed was Ronaldinho. Sidhu? Well maybe Michael Owen.
 
Someone has already posted test away average.

Hence, SR for both in ODIs:-

Anwar:- 80
Sidhu:- 69

69 is a very good SR for Sidhu era. Also, we have to remember he was quite aggressive batsmen. So, that part hardly matters.

Anwar scored 194 in that same era, of course it's a relevant point, Anwar was an order of magnitude more devastating
 
I'm sorry you're comparing a player who has 6 ODI hundreds with a guy who has 20. He also had 27 MoM awards, was wisden cricketer of the year in 1997. And at one point he was beating Tendulkar in the race for the most ODI hundreds, leading 14 to Sachin's 12 till 1997(Both debuted in 1989). He averaged more than 40 for most of his career with a very high strike rate. It was only after his daughter's death that his figures started dropping.
Sachin's greatness lies in his excellence and longevity. But for the best part of the 1990s, we had our own Tendulkar and boy was he a joy to watch.
If Tendulkar was Messi, Saeed was Ronaldinho. Sidhu? Well maybe Michael Owen.

Hundreds is not the benchmark for rating a player. Otherwise:-

No. Of hundreds by Inzy:- 10 in 378 matches
No. Of hundreds by Taylor:- 19 in 204 matches
 
It can be one of the criteria if the comparison is between openers in the same era. It's an equal opportunity base. Saeed, Sidhu, Tendulkar are comparable that way. Ross Taylor and inzi batted in different eras, inzi retired in 07, Taylor debuted in 06.
 
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I lost a lot of respect for Anwar the way he forced himself upon us in the 2003 WC. He was out of the team and was not in the plans before the tournament. Pakistan had established an open pair in Taufeeq Umar and Saleem Elahi. But Anwar through his lobby got himself picked and scored a pretty ugly hundred against India and Pakistan were thrashed out of the tournament. He has also been a vocal critic of Imran Khan and once I saw a video of him in a masjid talking bad about of Imran. Pretty low I would say.

Sidhu on the other hand a great team man, a great human, a great ambassador of the game and India, a brave heart...for all these reasons I would pick Sidhu over Anwar.
 
I lost a lot of respect for Anwar the way he forced himself upon us in the 2003 WC. He was out of the team and was not in the plans before the tournament. Pakistan had established an open pair in Taufeeq Umar and Saleem Elahi. But Anwar through his lobby got himself picked and scored a pretty ugly hundred against India and Pakistan were thrashed out of the tournament. He has also been a vocal critic of Imran Khan and once I saw a video of him in a masjid talking bad about of Imran. Pretty low I would say.

Sidhu on the other hand a great team man, a great human, a great ambassador of the game and India, a brave heart...for all these reasons I would pick Sidhu over Anwar.

I think you missed the 'Better opening batsman' part of the title.
 
I think you missed the 'Better opening batsman' part of the title.
Its not like Anwar was winning us trophies left right and centre. Anwar was more talented but then I have also seen him bottle it many a times. I am going with my heart and not my brain on this one sorry.
 
I lost a lot of respect for Anwar the way he forced himself upon us in the 2003 WC. He was out of the team and was not in the plans before the tournament. Pakistan had established an open pair in Taufeeq Umar and Saleem Elahi. But Anwar through his lobby got himself picked and scored a pretty ugly hundred against India and Pakistan were thrashed out of the tournament. He has also been a vocal critic of Imran Khan and once I saw a video of him in a masjid talking bad about of Imran. Pretty low I would say.

Sidhu on the other hand a great team man, a great human, a great ambassador of the game and India, a brave heart...for all these reasons I would pick Sidhu over Anwar.

I think imran used to play ramiz raja instead of him.
 
Because Rameez was the Sidhu of Pakistan. He would give it all.

Yeah that's why he's got 2 centuries in 60 test matches I was highlighthing that could be the reason why he doesn't like imran if so he has every right too. Coming from an imran suppoter.
 
Someone has already posted test away average.

Hence, SR for both in ODIs:-

Anwar:- 80
Sidhu:- 69

69 is a very good SR for Sidhu era. Also, we have to remember he was quite aggressive batsmen. So, that part hardly matters.

Should we consider the fact that Sidhu never got to face the bowlers against whom Anwar feasted on?
 
Anwar scored 194 in that same era, of course it's a relevant point, Anwar was an order of magnitude more devastating

Scored against best bowling line up at that time and that too without any boundaries, ran all the runs by himself. Gotta give the credit.
 
Someone has already posted test away average.

Hence, SR for both in ODIs:-

Anwar:- 80
Sidhu:- 69

69 is a very good SR for Sidhu era. Also, we have to remember he was quite aggressive batsmen. So, that part hardly matters.

SR captures the aggressiveness of a batsman and it does matter. I am not even sure if you created this thread genuinely or just having fun here.

Sidhu against spin was arguably the best batsman in history, but it stops right there. Anwar was superior in every other aspect.
 
Another comparison thread on PP. Sidhu was a good player for India but Anwar was a level higher.
 
Yeah that's why he's got 2 centuries in 60 test matches I was highlighthing that could be the reason why he doesn't like imran if so he has every right too. Coming from an imran suppoter.
Rameez played an integral part in our 1992 WC win. And trust you me sir if he was playing that 1996 QF vs India or that 1999 WC final vs Aus he would have gone down fighting.

Anwar no doubt was the better player but Sidhu/Rameez were the better fighters. Rameez played most of his peak cricket in a more challenging era (mid 80s to early 90s).
Anwar’s combined ODI average was 20 against Aus/SA after 54 games.
If you analyse Rameez Raja he averaged 20 against WI/Aus, so obviously there is not much in there..

Dont take me wrong Anwar was world class but he did not win us anything major and for that very reason I am not shy on picking Sidhu or Rameez ahead of him.
 
Saeed anwar is miles ahead.
A more apt comparison will be Gautam Gambhir vs Saeed Anwar in ODIS.
GG-AVG-39.68,STR RATE -86
Saeed anwar-avg-39.22 str rate-80.
Gambhir has performed very well in overseas in odis .in australia he was prolific and in southh africa also he was good.
It will be a neck to neck comparison
 
I think that if we analyse country wise performance ,gambhir may be slightly better,as saeed was below avg in aus and south africa.
 
Anwar was way better and for a brief period he was being compared to Sachin and Lara.

Sidhu was mediocre against pacers but ruthless against spinners, no player can match what Sidhu did to Warne and Murali.

If Anwar is 9/10, Sidhu is 7/10.
 
Sidhu faced legends like Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain while Anwar in return faced what- we all know.

Sidhu played in a very weak team while Anwar had luxury of Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain, Inzy, Moyo and 0(1).
 
Sidhu was a cool guy. I still remember the way he used to just see off the new ball and get so much settled to take on spinners. The special thing is he was an opener & didn't fancy middle order to take on spinners! He needed that settled mind, settled at crease to take them on! I think Anwar came a bit later to the picture (just like Sachin) and hence he has modernized stats! Another case of a comparison on PP to make a Pakistani cricketer victorious! But still Sidhu served the purpose of his "opener" to some extent! Probably he lacked a good partner to complement (Usually it was Mongia, Prabhakar, Srikanth, WV Raman kind of guys partnering him!) If he had Sachin or Gavaskar partnering him right from the beginning, he would have got that additional luxury to get settled & improve his stats!
 
Saeed anwar is miles ahead.
A more apt comparison will be Gautam Gambhir vs Saeed Anwar in ODIS.
GG-AVG-39.68,STR RATE -86
Saeed anwar-avg-39.22 str rate-80.
Gambhir has performed very well in overseas in odis .in australia he was prolific and in southh africa also he was good.
It will be a neck to neck comparison

I think 80 S/R in that era would translate to around 90+ in this era.

Though that would be a much better thread than this one which is frankly a joke.

One more thing for Gambhir, he was the man who made sure India were on top in that final
 
I think 80 S/R in that era would translate to around 90+ in this era.

Though that would be a much better thread than this one which is frankly a joke.

One more thing for Gambhir, he was the man who made sure India were on top in that final

2 Finals actually. 2011 WC and 2007 T20 final.

On topic, what a ridiculous thread. Even Sidhu‘s mother will not have Sidhu over Anwar in her XI
 
2 Finals actually. 2011 WC and 2007 T20 final.

On topic, what a ridiculous thread. Even Sidhu‘s mother will not have Sidhu over Anwar in her XI

Yeah, forgot the 2007 one actually. Gambhir is a good shot for a comparison. Obviously, I prefer Anwar, but I think I'd be hard pressed to argue for Anwar over Gambhir in LOI's.

Very underrated, surely he'd open in an Indian ODI XI with Tendulkar?
 
What is so ridiculous about this thread? Why won't Sidhu's mother not pick Sidhu over Anwar. Even Sidhu's child will pick Sidhu over Anwar.
 
Yeah, forgot the 2007 one actually. Gambhir is a good shot for a comparison. Obviously, I prefer Anwar, but I think I'd be hard pressed to argue for Anwar over Gambhir in LOI's.

Very underrated, surely he'd open in an Indian ODI XI with Tendulkar?

Who, Gambhir? I think he is underrated because of his end. Gambo was one of the biggest reasons why India were no.1 in test cricket for 2 years and why we won so much in the 07-11 period.

He is not an ATG, but surely an India great.

As for Sidhu, I don’t think he is underrated. He was a good batsmen, but not in Anwar’s class. One of the best against spinners. But as an opener I would expect more from one SENA countries. Other than a 200 against WI, he didn’t do much.

For some reason, he enjoyed playing against Pakistan though. I started watching cricket in 96, so rememebr his innings against Pak in 96 QF and one more hundred in Sharjah (the one where he got angry at Aamir Sohail). He retired an year or so after that.
 
Who, Gambhir? I think he is underrated because of his end. Gambo was one of the biggest reasons why India were no.1 in test cricket for 2 years and why we won so much in the 07-11 period.

He is not an ATG, but surely an India great.

As for Sidhu, I don’t think he is underrated. He was a good batsmen, but not in Anwar’s class. One of the best against spinners. But as an opener I would expect more from one SENA countries. Other than a 200 against WI, he didn’t do much.

For some reason, he enjoyed playing against Pakistan though. I started watching cricket in 96, so rememebr his innings against Pak in 96 QF and one more hundred in Sharjah (the one where he got angry at Aamir Sohail). He retired an year or so after that.

Gambhir, not Siddhu. Him and SRT in an Indian ODI XI imo
 
Its not like Anwar was winning us trophies left right and centre. Anwar was more talented but then I have also seen him bottle it many a times. I am going with my heart and not my brain on this one sorry.

Anwar was immensely talented but also infuriating with lapses in concentration when we needed him the most. Prime example being the 1996 QF.

We got off to an electric, T20-esque start to a daunting chase with 84 being slammed from the first 10 overs by Anwar and Sohail. Then Anwar slogged one up in the air and threw his start away.

Another example was losing his wicket first ball after changing his bat grip in the 1999 WC final by trying to drive a ball way outside off which caught an inside edge onto the stumps.

He shouldn't have been picked for the 2003 WC squad, a lot of 90s legends hung on too long.
 
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Anwar feasted on our trundlers to fake boost his stats, having said that Siddhu was even worse.

So Anwar wins this one.
 
Saeed Answer in test easily, to compare him to Siddhu in test is injustice to him. Average don't matter, Anwar was league above him.
In Ohio Anwar again but here Anwar is ahead because Sindhi was not good as Anwar. Anwar in Odi feasted on bad bowling attack like India and Sri Lanka.
Anwar is really underrated in test where he played some gem of the innings and little bit overrated in odi
 
On Navjot Singh Sidhu’s 57th Birthday, Let’s Celebrate The Top Five Knocks Of His Cricket Career

The younger generation may know him for his poetry and laughs on The Kapil Sharma Show, but he had a vibrant cricket career before his stint as a politician and television celebrity.

Sidhu used to be a ‘man in blue’ for nearly two decades before he dabbled in politics. The flamboyant cricketer was known as ‘sixer-Sidhu’ due to his aggressive style; he was never really fond of defence-style batting. He remained in the top order for a majority of his career in both international and domestic teams.

Very few can handle the pressure of a high-adrenaline and high-pressure environment like the cricket world cup. But Sidhu did his best and managed a half-century in his very first World Cup Match in 1987. He would later become the first batsman to score four consecutive fifties in his first-four ODI matches. In a career spanning 19 years, the jolly mood celebrity played 136 ODIs and scored 4413 runs. He also played 51 tests in which he had 3202 runs.

Let’s have a look at his five best knocks:

1. 93 against Pakistan in 1996

On March 9, 1996, Sidhu and Sachin Tendulkar opened the high-octane match of World Cup quarter final. When Sachin left the field with a meagre 31, Sidhu remained on his position till he got to 93. His contributing runs would eventually lead to a victory that sparked joy through the streets of India in a phenomenal win over our neighbours.

2. 101 against Pakistan in 1996

1996 was definitely a good year for our opener, especially when playing against Pakistan. During the Pepsi Sharjah Cup, Sidhu came into bat at number three. In another memorable partnership with Tendulkar, he destroyed the opposition. With bowlers like Saqlain Mushtaq and Waqar Younis in their peak form, he managed to score an impressive 101. With a total of 305 runs, India won this match.

3. 201 against West Indies in 1997

Let’s step away from fast-paced ODIs and move towards the ‘gentlemen’s game’ of test cricket. In his career-best performance, Sidhu scored a double-century during the second test of India against West Indies. In a match where the opener gets duck-out, the pressure for the following batsmen is enormous. But not for Sidhu. With his 200, India got to 436 in the first innings. The match, however, resulted in a draw.

4. 134* against England in 1993

India and England are a special kind of cricket enemies and their matches fall short of only India vs Pakistan excitement. During England’s tour of India in 1993, the sixth ODI felt really precarious when the two openers failed to make a mark. But Sidhu and captain Mohammad Azharuddin held their grounds. While Azharuddin left the ground at 74 runs, Sidhu saddled up and scored 134 not out, successfully chasing the target of 257 and getting team India another win.

5. 116 against New Zealand in 1989

After taking a five-year-long break from Test cricket, Sidhu made a comeback during New Zealand's 1988-89 Tour of India and what a comeback! Facing bowling legends like Sir Richard Hadlee and John Bracewell, the number three batsman managed an impressive century. The match led to India’s 1-0 lead in the series.

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...ive-knocks-of-his-cricket-career-2984228.html
 
"Jo shotein khelne ke baare me hum raat ko supne me sochte thhe, Saeed bhai agle din ground me wo shotein maar dete thhe."

- Inzamam ul Haq on Saeed Anwar

Pakistan is not a batting country. To an Indian, very few Pakistani batsmen ever seem attractive enough that he wishes they played for India instead. From my memory, Saeed Anwar is the one and only Pakistani batsman ever, before Babar Azam emerged, that i wished played for India.

Saeed bhai wins this one.

But no disrespect to Sidhu paaji who was a sher dil amd Janbaaz gabru and now he is a daler spokesman
 
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Saeed Anwar. He would have been a vital cricketer for Pakistan in the modern era, where they are struggling to produce these types of players
 
On Navjot Singh Sidhu’s 57th Birthday, Let’s Celebrate The Top Five Knocks Of His Cricket Career

The younger generation may know him for his poetry and laughs on The Kapil Sharma Show, but he had a vibrant cricket career before his stint as a politician and television celebrity.

Sidhu used to be a ‘man in blue’ for nearly two decades before he dabbled in politics. The flamboyant cricketer was known as ‘sixer-Sidhu’ due to his aggressive style; he was never really fond of defence-style batting. He remained in the top order for a majority of his career in both international and domestic teams.

Very few can handle the pressure of a high-adrenaline and high-pressure environment like the cricket world cup. But Sidhu did his best and managed a half-century in his very first World Cup Match in 1987. He would later become the first batsman to score four consecutive fifties in his first-four ODI matches. In a career spanning 19 years, the jolly mood celebrity played 136 ODIs and scored 4413 runs. He also played 51 tests in which he had 3202 runs.

Let’s have a look at his five best knocks:

1. 93 against Pakistan in 1996

On March 9, 1996, Sidhu and Sachin Tendulkar opened the high-octane match of World Cup quarter final. When Sachin left the field with a meagre 31, Sidhu remained on his position till he got to 93. His contributing runs would eventually lead to a victory that sparked joy through the streets of India in a phenomenal win over our neighbours.

2. 101 against Pakistan in 1996

1996 was definitely a good year for our opener, especially when playing against Pakistan. During the Pepsi Sharjah Cup, Sidhu came into bat at number three. In another memorable partnership with Tendulkar, he destroyed the opposition. With bowlers like Saqlain Mushtaq and Waqar Younis in their peak form, he managed to score an impressive 101. With a total of 305 runs, India won this match.

3. 201 against West Indies in 1997

Let’s step away from fast-paced ODIs and move towards the ‘gentlemen’s game’ of test cricket. In his career-best performance, Sidhu scored a double-century during the second test of India against West Indies. In a match where the opener gets duck-out, the pressure for the following batsmen is enormous. But not for Sidhu. With his 200, India got to 436 in the first innings. The match, however, resulted in a draw.

4. 134* against England in 1993

India and England are a special kind of cricket enemies and their matches fall short of only India vs Pakistan excitement. During England’s tour of India in 1993, the sixth ODI felt really precarious when the two openers failed to make a mark. But Sidhu and captain Mohammad Azharuddin held their grounds. While Azharuddin left the ground at 74 runs, Sidhu saddled up and scored 134 not out, successfully chasing the target of 257 and getting team India another win.

5. 116 against New Zealand in 1989

After taking a five-year-long break from Test cricket, Sidhu made a comeback during New Zealand's 1988-89 Tour of India and what a comeback! Facing bowling legends like Sir Richard Hadlee and John Bracewell, the number three batsman managed an impressive century. The match led to India’s 1-0 lead in the series.

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...ive-knocks-of-his-cricket-career-2984228.html

That 93 in that 1996 Bangalore WC ODI is so underrated. Sachin got out cheaply & it was Navjot Sidhu who kept the innings together till 45th over before Ajay Jadeja cut loose

Also his thunderous assault on Shane Warne in 1998 tour was one of the highlights of the series although Sachin ran away with most of the plaudits
 
Sidhu was terrible against pace. All he could do is block block and block some more. But he was ruthless against medium pacers and spinners.

Anwar is a much better player of Pace. Not as good as Sidhu against Spin.

Overall, I will pick Anwar.

This. Ends thread. It's an insult to Saeed lol.

Saeed should be compared with guys who are just below shewag and Hayden level.
 
Gambir vs Saeed is a good comparison in odi. Not sure whom I would pick but I think gambir is more clutch in odi. In tests it has to be Anwar no?
 
Cannot belive this is even a thread

but anyone who thinks Anwar was not good against spin should see how he destroyed Murli and Kumble ..
Anwar did not do well against Warne but then not many can claim to dominate Warne

Sidhu is love, his 2nd innings as laughing champ is a treat for punjabi comedy lovers but then he was no where close to Anwar...
 
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