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Western world runs on trade and money. India is projected to be a big player in it. Until India maintains it's relevancy with economic growth and being the largest democracy of the world, nothing will happen. History shows us that arbitration is mandatory in assymmetric warfare. Kashmiris are no match to Indian army one on one. There are no stakes in this for the Western world.

I agree with you about the West and money but just like the West supported and sponsored the Mujahaddin in Afghan, it can happen again because the future is not linear and strange alliances will emerge, just like in the past. For Ind it's an ego issue, for the Kashmiris, it's an issue if freedom. I am from Kashmiri background from my mums side and for me, it's a matter of freedom to decide. I take no pleasure in anyone losing their life as I am here on the keyboard not making any sacrifices, but I will do my bit to give them a choice.
 
I agree with you about the West and money but just like the West supported and sponsored the Mujahaddin in Afghan, it can happen again because the future is not linear and strange alliances will emerge, just like in the past. For Ind it's an ego issue, for the Kashmiris, it's an issue if freedom. I am from Kashmiri background from my mums side and for me, it's a matter of freedom to decide. I take no pleasure in anyone losing their life as I am here on the keyboard not making any sacrifices, but I will do my bit to give them a choice.

Understood. You have more stakes in this than I do so I will end my debate here. Yes we don't know what future holds. I agree with you about choice and also about loss of life.
 
Oh don't you worry, wait till the Kashmiri muslim peeps have a taste of ppl like Bihari's, they will soon live in harmony.


P.S. Bihari's are nothing like the Pandits :angel:

Talibans will be free after peace accord in Afghanistan soon and I'm sure they will "help" their Kashmiris brothers against the Indian Army.
 
Talibans will be free after peace accord in Afghanistan soon and I'm sure they will "help" their Kashmiris brothers against the Indian Army.

Lol @ Taliban. They have to pass through Pakistan before they can reach indian Kashmir. This will spell trouble for Pak First.

Also, India can deploy more army there. Pak does not have the money power for a long term war there. Harboring Tainan terrorists in your land will spell doom for Pak. They will never do that mistake.
 
The only solution for this is to let Rest of India settle in Kashmir.

legally not possible as has been discussed above. If you're suggesting settler-colonialism, do you plan to move from Florida? How do you plan to create jobs and services for migrants in Kashmir? You can't just relocate millions of people just for the heck of it, even you wouldn't leave everything in florida just to move to kashmir for nothing. Even if you succeed in settling people there what makes you think something like pulwama wouldn't happen? One incident and people will get scared and move back unless you plan to use them to use as human shields.
 
You post such a illogical stuff that it is irrelevant to discuss things with you. You army can't move freely here without vehicles and you are dreaming that you will come here and settle here and take control of our kashmir. Lol good luck with that.

What is really illogical is; YOU. You don't want nothing to do with India, yet you go to other parts of India for your studies :)).. Have some shame,, stick to one thing, show Indians how much you despise them and don't use anything we offer you. I don't know whether Section 35A will be removed, however so far Modi has done nothing to change anything in India, like the Congress government previously before him however if he pulls this off, much respect to him and don't worry a lot of us Indians will follow to Kashmir :rp
 
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legally not possible as has been discussed above. If you're suggesting settler-colonialism, do you plan to move from Florida? How do you plan to create jobs and services for migrants in Kashmir? You can't just relocate millions of people just for the heck of it, even you wouldn't leave everything in florida just to move to kashmir for nothing. Even if you succeed in settling people there what makes you think something like pulwama wouldn't happen? One incident and people will get scared and move back unless you plan to use them to use as human shields.

What do you mean legally not possible, it is an Indian law not an international one, we will change it in time. Don't you worry about these things little kiddo. That is our country's internal matter, we will find a way...
 
What do you mean legally not possible, it is an Indian law not an international one, we will change it in time. Don't you worry about these things little kiddo. That is our country's internal matter, we will find a way...

Aren't you Australian? Just cause it's an internal law doesn't mean you can just break it or scrap it or whatever, that would abrogate any agreement between Kashmir and India.
 

EASY WAY TO DELETE ARTICLE 370



How to repeal these Articles?

Article 370 can be repealed easily by the Presidential Notification under clause (3) of Article 370. And the said Notification can be issued on the basis of the Government Resolution, also known as Cabinet Resolution, and does not require any voting in Parliament or any Constitutional amendment, whatsoever.

It is relevant to reproduce here Clause (3) of Article 370 as follows:

“370. Temporary provisions with respect to the State of Jammu and Kashmir

(1) Article 370(1) in The Constitution Of India 1949

(2) Article 370(2) in The Constitution Of India 1949

(3) Notwithstanding anything in the foregoing provisions of this Article, the President may, by public notification, declare that this Article shall cease to be operative or shall be operative only with such exceptions and modifications and from such date as he may specify:

Provided that the recommendation of the Constituent Assembly of the State referred to in clause (2) shall be necessary before the President issues such a notification.”

It is relevant to note that proviso to Clause (3) of Article 370 requiring the recommendation of the Constituent Assembly of Jammu and Kashmir before the issue of Presidential Notification has become redundant and unnecessary because, on January 25, 1957, the Constituent Assembly of Jammu and Kashmir had been dissolved. Since no such Constituent Assembly exists now, restriction mentioned in Clause (3) cannot operate.

Along with the abolition of Article 370, the above-described Constitution (Application to Jammu and Kashmir) Order, 1954 dated May 14, 1954, which also contains Article 35A, and which was issued by a Presidential Notification under Article 370 should also be abolished by the Presidential Notification under Clause (3) of article 370.

What must BJP do?
Articles 370 and 35A are monumental symbols of national ineptitude and slavery of fake secularism.

After getting power in 2014, BJP has done nothing to fulfil its perpetual promises regarding “justice to all and appeasement of none”, Uniform Civil Code, the abolition of Article 370, rehabilitation of Kashmiri Hindus in Kashmir, same rights and same laws for all Indian citizens irrespective of their religion etc. etc.

Even in the remaining few weeks of its tenure, BJP government can regain its credibility by honouring at least one of its core promises by immediately abolishing the patently unjust, perverse, discriminatory and self-destructive Articles 370 and 35A.

Deletion of these Articles would mean one nation, one citizenship, one flag and one constitution for entire India including Jammu and Kashmir for which patriots like Dr. Shyama Prasad Mukherji lived and died.

And this deletion would start liberation of India from the slavery of pseudo-secularism.

I conclude this piece with the Sanskrit adage “Tatha Astu.” (Let it be so).


https://www.pgurus.com/easy-way-to-delete-article-370-and-35a/
 
Aren't you Australian? Just cause it's an internal law doesn't mean you can just break it or scrap it or whatever, that would abrogate any agreement between Kashmir and India.

Not just Australian, Born in India, raised in the US of A, Canadian Citizen & an Aussie Citizen. Yeap and I will fully willing to buy a block of land in Kashmir :angel:
 
If Modi and his government removes Section 35A, he will win the next 2 elections, he would also become the first PM to make a serious positive impact in India...


My god that Jawaharlal Nehru was the biggest curse for India....
 
Lol @ Taliban. They have to pass through Pakistan before they can reach indian Kashmir. This will spell trouble for Pak First.

Also, India can deploy more army there. Pak does not have the money power for a long term war there. Harboring Tainan terrorists in your land will spell doom for Pak. They will never do that mistake.

Agree, a prosperous Pakistan would never make that mistake, but as you guys are constantly saying, Pakistan is a failed nation going nowhere. Economic squeeze as applied by your govt will eventually lead to the destruction of the state and lead to the Taliban on your border. Enjoy :)
 
Agree, a prosperous Pakistan would never make that mistake, but as you guys are constantly saying, Pakistan is a failed nation going nowhere. Economic squeeze as applied by your govt will eventually lead to the destruction of the state and lead to the Taliban on your border. Enjoy :)

Oh but, but, Pakistan always says they don't harbor terrorism in India. So definitely Pakistan wouldn't allow Taliban to run wild from their territory would they ? :angel:
 
Oh but, but, Pakistan always says they don't harbor terrorism in India. So definitely Pakistan wouldn't allow Taliban to run wild from their territory would they ? :angel:

I wonder who had hacked your account a week or so ago, your posts were surprisingly reasonable. Good to see you regained control and are as hawkish as ever from 5000 miles away :19:
 
If Modi and his government removes Section 35A, he will win the next 2 elections, he would also become the first PM to make a serious positive impact in India...


My god that Jawaharlal Nehru was the biggest curse for India....

Lol. I am gonna love to see how this plays out. Things like these iniate civil war.
 
Lol. I am gonna love to see how this plays out. Things like these iniate civil war.

I really don't know why Pakistanis are getting so involved in India's internal matter ? It is fair and just for all of Indians to have equal rights all over India, such as buying properties etc... If a war is needed to bring in ever lasting peace, then a war will happen...
 
I wonder who had hacked your account a week or so ago, your posts were surprisingly reasonable. :

I honestly believe it is a 50-50, BJP could have been behind the recent terrorist attack or it could be Pakistan. I have always maintained that peace in Kashmir can only be achieved through shifting Indians from all over India to Kashmir... This is Kashmiri's: We will use whatever India offers us and spit in India's face as a thank you, it is time to stop all this nonsense, Section 35A needs to go....
 
I really don't know why Pakistanis are getting so involved in India's internal matter ? It is fair and just for all of Indians to have equal rights all over India, such as buying properties etc... If a war is needed to bring in ever lasting peace, then a war will happen...

Same way Indians have been involving Pakistanis for last two weeks over their internal conflict.
 
That's where it gets muddled. From the sources I read, parliament doesn't have the authority in this case. It's only the prerogative of constituent assembly to amend or abrogate 370 and they don't exist.

Parliament can amend any part of the constitution under article 368. They will amend the various parts of article 370 and then aborogate it.

There are various examples of the parliament amending and aborogating articles earlier deemed "permanent".
 
Parliament can amend any part of the constitution under article 368. They will amend the various parts of article 370 and then aborogate it.

There are various examples of the parliament amending and aborogating articles earlier deemed "permanent".

If you start settling people from other states into Kashmir, that will bring an infinite period of violence and civil war in your country . Don't even think about tampering with it.
 
If you start settling people from other states into Kashmir, that will bring an infinite period of violence and civil war in your country . Don't even think about tampering with it.

We will see what happens. Thanks for your concern.
 
India is itching to remove these articles and shift Biharis in to create a conflict and get an excuse to start a civil war. That'd give them carte blanche to eliminate Kashmiri Muslims and ensure that Indian Muslims remain subservient forever, win-win for India domestically. :19:
 
If you start settling people from other states into Kashmir, that will bring an infinite period of violence and civil war in your country . Don't even think about tampering with it.
A hitler like move from Modi and co. Only time will tell how the natives respond.
 
Parliament can amend any part of the constitution under article 368. They will amend the various parts of article 370 and then aborogate it.

There are various examples of the parliament amending and aborogating articles earlier deemed "permanent".

O baba, article 370 is permanent. Kashmir has its own constitution anyway and India has no legal right to make laws for Kashmir unless in agreement with the state government. So get off your high horse and worry about your bhikmangi population. You have money to waste on constructing revenge dams and altering the course of rivers but you dont have money for millions dying of hunger and malnutrition in India. Shame on you who cant look at bigger issues that plague India and would rather live with a sense of false pride and point scoring over Pakistan.
 
O baba, article 370 is permanent. Kashmir has its own constitution anyway and India has no legal right to make laws for Kashmir unless in agreement with the state government.

India can and India will in time, only matter of when.... You need to realise Pakistan is not getting Kashmir, matter of fact Pakistan is becoming quite a nobody on the international arena with no voice, no one takes them seriously while India is an important player. Let it go, its over...
 
O baba, article 370 is permanent. Kashmir has its own constitution anyway and India has no legal right to make laws for Kashmir unless in agreement with the state government. So get off your high horse and worry about your bhikmangi population. You have money to waste on constructing revenge dams and altering the course of rivers but you dont have money for millions dying of hunger and malnutrition in India. Shame on you who cant look at bigger issues that plague India and would rather live with a sense of false pride and point scoring over Pakistan.

O bhai its Indian constitution and Indian parliament will amend it.

Those special provisions are going to be revoked. Dont worry.

We will solve one issue at a time. Right now its time to solve this separatists and terrorists issue.

I see no reason why one should not be proud of his country, he may be from any country.
 
It's only gonna lead to more bloodshed no matter how the constitution is amended.
 
It's only gonna lead to more bloodshed no matter how the constitution is amended.

Shouldnt matter to you, you already stated numerous times on previous threads that you don't care about what happens in Kashmir...
 
Shouldnt matter to you, you already stated numerous times on previous threads that you don't care about what happens in Kashmir...

I think you misunderstood my comments. Although I did say what you quoted that is not to be seen as violence being encouraged upon them. What I said was I am sick of Kashmir and their people who just don't seem to know what they want. That many Kashmiris don't want to be a part of Pakistan so it should be an independent country.
 
What I said was I am sick of Kashmir and their people who just don't seem to know what they want. That many Kashmiris don't want to be a part of Pakistan so it should be an independent country.

Well some of them are an ungrateful bunch, they would go study all over India use Indian resources and then spit on an Indian flag saying they want to be independent or be part of Pakistan... It is time that this madness ends...
 
Well some of them are an ungrateful bunch, they would go study all over India use Indian resources and then spit on an Indian flag saying they want to be independent or be part of Pakistan... It is time that this madness ends...

So let them vote then to decide who and how many of them want what. Obviously with the situation in IoK many will leave the valley for safety reasons which is why they live elsewhere. The wouldn't do that anymore if they were not forced to be Indian.
 
India can and India will in time, only matter of when.... You need to realise Pakistan is not getting Kashmir, matter of fact Pakistan is becoming quite a nobody on the international arena with no voice, no one takes them seriously while India is an important player. Let it go, its over...

lmao nobody takes us seriously. Why didn't Afghan foreign minister condemn Pakistan when you guys were begging him?? What about Trump who was giving anti Pak statements had to beg Pakistan to get them out of Afghanistan with face saving solution and even he didn't condemn Pakistan after Indian lobbyist begged him to. What about China's CPEC initiate? What about Pakistan's strong diplomacy in Afghanistan that is helping Afghanistan find a peaceful solution to the current chaos? On the other side even Russia is not your key ally anymore.
 
If you start settling people from other states into Kashmir, that will bring an infinite period of violence and civil war in your country . Don't even think about tampering with it.

Uighur land in China could be an example. Chinese have been settling Han people there and now Uighur population is only about 50 % of the total pop
 
lmao nobody takes us seriously. Why didn't Afghan foreign minister condemn Pakistan when you guys were begging him?? What about Trump who was giving anti Pak statements had to beg Pakistan to get them out of Afghanistan with face saving solution and even he didn't condemn Pakistan after Indian lobbyist begged him to. What about China's CPEC initiate? What about Pakistan's strong diplomacy in Afghanistan that is helping Afghanistan find a peaceful solution to the current chaos? On the other side even Russia is not your key ally anymore.

The only person who is begging is Pakistani PM to bailout his country.

Russia was and remains India's ally. Pakistan has tried to lie in Russia's nane, only for Russia to comeout and deny that.

US did mention Pakistan in their statement asking Pakistan to crackdown on terrorist activities.

Then there are likes of France who are moving a proposal to get Pakistani citizen Masood Azhar banned by UN.

No one is going to go againist India openly to support Pak. Even the Chinese support is veiled.
 
O baba, article 370 is permanent. Kashmir has its own constitution anyway and India has no legal right to make laws for Kashmir unless in agreement with the state government. So get off your high horse and worry about your bhikmangi population. You have money to waste on constructing revenge dams and altering the course of rivers but you dont have money for millions dying of hunger and malnutrition in India. Shame on you who cant look at bigger issues that plague India and would rather live with a sense of false pride and point scoring over Pakistan.

There is no state government now. It's under presidential rule. WHat happens then?
 
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