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Need clarification : Why do Muslims not eat Pork?

Coz unlike edible animals a pig itself is a dirty animal eating filth. It's fast digestive system means even after being cooked all the filth it has eaten remains in it's stomach. <B>As a result people who eat it also do so what the pig has done by default. </B>By comparison a goat, chicken or any animal that Muslim's do eat only feed on grass or seeds.

LOL what? I think we are officially in a surrealist art gallery at this point.

I'm actually a vegetarian so I don't eat pig meat any more, but I have eaten a lot of pig meat in the past; and at no point did I start exhibiting particularly pig-like traits - the best of my knowledge !!

I suggest that you provide some links to your research and evidence on this, otherwise it goes down as a particularly poor point even by Time Pass standards.
 
On topic, eating all meat is bad for you and pig is no different. Pig may be singled out by Islam perhaps due to some reasoning that may have made sense in 6th century AD. However, today there's no scientific reason to believe pork is any more harmful than beef and other red meat. Most animals in western countries are farmed almost exactly the same way, fed the same diet, etc.

Aye, spot on.
 
Pork was not popular in the middle east even pre islam. One hypothesis that many anthropologists support is that pigs were often infected with a parasitic worm leading to a disease called trichinosis. Meat infected with the parasite was extremely disgusting to look at and since no treatment was available for it in those days pork was regarded as unhealthy. This line of thinking was further strengthened by the spread of Judaism and Islam just reinforced the ideas already in place. Another argument is that cattle and poultry were preferred to pigs because cattle could be more easily herded by nomads while poultry was small enough to be transported while pigs presented the problem of preserving the large amount of meat once slaughtered.



Good post sounds pretty logical..
 
Thank you [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]. I learned a new word today "Najass". You answerd question 3 of mine PERFECTLY.

I wanted to know whether in the scriptures it was just "Don't eat pork . Period" or was any explanation given at that time.

I don't agree with the views on Homo-sexuality though, which is a good topic for another lengthy discussion on another thread.


You need to read animal behaviours in depth to know this fact. I did not say that if one eats it he will develop such tendency. I just pointed out the way the girl framed her question.


Lastly, In Pakistan in one Village of Punjab Pigs were destroying Agricultural fields and there was a huge loss. It was being debated that how this problem gets solved ? After brain storming someone advised to import a medicine from USA which contained disease pathogens. It had to be injected to baby pigs. It was injected. Baby pig died and was eaten by its parents and they got the disease and died aswell. So On and so forth the entire breed which wasn't controllable got killed because of this tendency of Pigs. Hence the area got free of Pigs.

I know that in modern world this is a severe crime wrt Animal Ethics & Injustice too. Islam also prohibits from such animal killings but I just pointed out the distinct tendency of Pigs from other Carnivorous animals
 
Alright, I shall rephrase. If people are acquiring certain traits from pigs because of eating pork, then the same should be true for people (including Muslims) who eat chicken, fish, mutton and beef. I wonder what traits we have acquired from all these animals.

As far as I know only pigs eat filth. Goats and chickens etc only do so seeds, grass and water. I think the above video clarifies this.
 
LOL what? I think we are officially in a surrealist art gallery at this point.

I'm actually a vegetarian so I don't eat pig meat any more, but I have eaten a lot of pig meat in the past; and at no point did I start exhibiting particularly pig-like traits - the best of my knowledge !!

I suggest that you provide some links to your research and evidence on this, otherwise it goes down as a particularly poor point even by Time Pass standards.

No one is talking about traits like pig eaters should be grunting like a pig. See post 85 that will confirm my point of view. It is up to each individual to decide if pork or swine is harmful or not. There are plenty of video's on this subject.

 
Consensus should be of whole ummah (like all scholars together). Not a meager percentage of scholars (whether you consider them scholars or not is secondary). But Consensus/ijmaa is only when whole of Ummah is involved. Whether it's possible in current era is anyone's guess. But we did have consensus in earlier times. Many of Ijmaa are mentioned in al-Ijma' of ibn Mundhir


Is it available Online ? I want to read the first Ijma after Prophet Muhammad Pbuh death.
 
As far as I know only pigs eat filth. Goats and chickens etc only do so seeds, grass and water. I think the above video clarifies this.

Ducks are known for the same. Its just that they are not the most easily available meat in certain regions.
 
As far as I know only pigs eat filth. Goats and chickens etc only do so seeds, grass and water. I think the above video clarifies this.

Rabbits regularly eat their own droppings, and rabbit meat is halal.
 


JazaakAllah. ThankYou.


Gone through the arabic version in depth.


I did not find anything wrt first disagreement where Hazrat Umar RA was not accepting that Prophet Pbuh has passed away and than Hazrat Abu Bakar RA recited Surah Ali'Imran verses 144 and than Consensus was developed amongst all Sahaba. (As mentioned in Bukhari)


This book doesn't mention first Ijma of Ummat.


Serious issue was created as He RA had sword in his hand and had threatened than anyone who says He Pbuh has died He RA will rip apart his neck. All Sahaba remained quiet until Abu Bakr RA recited Quranic verse proving that He Pbuh has met the same fate as all Prophets before Him Pbuh.


Don't know why Ibn Mundhir excluded first Ijma which was very crucial & significant in History of Islam.
 
JazaakAllah. ThankYou.


Gone through the arabic version in depth.


I did not find anything wrt first disagreement where Hazrat Umar RA was not accepting that Prophet Pbuh has passed away and than Hazrat Abu Bakar RA recited Surah Ali'Imran verses 144 and than Consensus was developed amongst all Sahaba. (As mentioned in Bukhari)


This book doesn't mention first Ijma of Ummat.


Serious issue was created as He RA had sword in his hand and had threatened than anyone who says He Pbuh has died He RA will rip apart his neck. All Sahaba remained quiet until Abu Bakr RA recited Quranic verse proving that He Pbuh has met the same fate as all Prophets before Him Pbuh.


Don't know why Ibn Mundhir excluded first Ijma which was very crucial & significant in History of Islam.

Jazakallaah. Nice Insight on which is first ijmaa baad' wafaaat un nabi (salal lahu aliahi wasalam)
 
Rabbits regularly eat their own droppings, and rabbit meat is halal.

Well it's a matter of faith. If Allah says pig is forbidden then that is good enough for me being a Muslim. Same answer to [MENTION=140459]SandyB[/MENTION]
 
Thanks for all the replies guys !
[MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION] I wanted to explore other angles of the story, apart from the most obvious reason, which I already knew from my muslim friends. No one was able to give me a detailed religious answer from a religion POV as well like you did. .
 
As far as I know only pigs eat filth. Goats and chickens etc only do so seeds, grass and water. I think the above video clarifies this.

Well it's a matter of faith. If Allah says pig is forbidden then that is good enough for me being a Muslim. Same answer to [MENTION=140459]SandyB[/MENTION]

There you go, you have said it yourself. It is a matter of faith, that is all. Faith however, does not need to be justified with straw-man arguments.
 
Rabbits regularly eat their own droppings, and rabbit meat is halal.

Rabbits are not carnivores. Same goes for Goats.

The swine is a 'filthy' animal there is no doubt and other properties such as the skin of a swine is used to repair burnt skin of humans. The meat is just not ideal for human consumption.
 
Pigs are omnivores.

As are chickens, incidentally.
 
The logical reason was of course that a pig is actually quite dangerous to eat if it's not cooked perfectly. A cow for instance has a lot less risks if you eat it undercooked. This risk would've been especially prevalent in the 6th and 7th century.
 
The logical reason was of course that a pig is actually quite dangerous to eat if it's not cooked perfectly. A cow for instance has a lot less risks if you eat it undercooked. This risk would've been especially prevalent in the 6th and 7th century.

I agree that this is probably the reason for swine meat being prohibited. What I would say however is that other meats can be brutal for humans if not cooked properly as well.
 
There you go, you have said it yourself. It is a matter of faith, that is all. Faith however, does not need to be justified with straw-man arguments.

The argument is if or not you believe in the word of Allah. It does not say anywhere that those who consume pork are destined for hell fire. The thing to remember is that we are the ones who benefit from avoiding pork. If a doctor told you to avoid something then most likely you will yet people question something when Allah says it. Faith has to be backed up with evidence as well otherwise it's blind faith. In a previous post someone said that rabbits and other animals consume filth as well which is something no doctor has ever told me.
 
Pigs are omnivores.

As are chickens, incidentally.

Fair enough but it's silly to mention a chicken with a pig. There is logic, it's simple, swine is unclean due to it's traits of how and what it eats, along with it's flesh dna.
 
Coz unlike edible animals a pig itself is a dirty animal eating filth. It's fast digestive system means even after being cooked all the filth it has eaten remains in it's stomach. As a result people who eat it also do so what the pig has done by default. By comparison a goat, chicken or any animal that Muslim's do eat only feed on grass or seeds.

Well that escalated quickly...

This post is astounding. Hope you don't actually believe it.

You do know we don't eat stomachs of any animals lol. Let's for a second lose all our senses and ask reality to take a hike to accept that the 'filth' remains in the stomach. You do know that the stomach of the animal you eat is discarded... You don't eat the stomach
 
Fair enough but it's silly to mention a chicken with a pig. There is logic, it's simple, swine is unclean due to it's traits of how and what it eats, along with it's flesh dna.

What about the hens you see in farms where they are feeding on their own excreta
 
Well that escalated quickly...

This post is astounding. Hope you don't actually believe it.

You do know we don't eat stomachs of any animals lol. Let's for a second lose all our senses and ask reality to take a hike to accept that the 'filth' remains in the stomach. You do know that the stomach of the animal you eat is discarded... You don't eat the stomach

What you talking about in plain English? Pig digests food much quicker then other animals do. It is not about what part of the animal we eat. See the video's provided above. I do believe in it but you are free to poison yourself with as much swine and pork as you want.
 
The argument is if or not you believe in the word of Allah. It does not say anywhere that those who consume pork are destined for hell fire. The thing to remember is that we are the ones who benefit from avoiding pork. If a doctor told you to avoid something then most likely you will yet people question something when Allah says it. Faith has to be backed up with evidence as well otherwise it's blind faith. In a previous post someone said that rabbits and other animals consume filth as well which is something no doctor has ever told me.

We also benefit by not eating beef or red meat in general.
 
The argument is if or not you believe in the word of Allah. It does not say anywhere that those who consume pork are destined for hell fire. The thing to remember is that we are the ones who benefit from avoiding pork. If a doctor told you to avoid something then most likely you will yet people question something when Allah says it. Faith has to be backed up with evidence as well otherwise it's blind faith. In a previous post someone said that rabbits and other animals consume filth as well which is something no doctor has ever told me.


A Doctor is not supposed to tell you these things.


Stop hiding behind medical science for your religious beliefs especially those linked with Prohibitions of Islam.


At the time of Mohammad Pbuh the Medical Science was nowhere as compared to today. The studies of Animal behaviour was nowhere as compared to today. Yet No-One asked for Medical, Scienrific Justifications of why not eating Pork from Mohammad Pbuh or his successive Prophets. It was all Samaynaa Wa Ataana. So Are you saying that Sahaba RA had blind faith ? The Muslims of Next 1300 years had Blind Faith ?
 
We also benefit by not eating beef or red meat in general.

That may be true as well. Allah is not going to give us a list of what we can or can not eat. It is well known that to much sugar is also bad.
 
A Doctor is not supposed to tell you these things.


Stop hiding behind medical science for your religious beliefs especially those linked with Prohibitions of Islam.


At the time of Mohammad Pbuh the Medical Science was nowhere as compared to today. The studies of Animal behaviour was nowhere as compared to today. Yet No-One asked for Medical, Scienrific Justifications of why not eating Pork from Mohammad Pbuh or his successive Prophets. It was all Samaynaa Wa Ataana. So Are you saying that Sahaba RA had blind faith ? The Muslims of Next 1300 years had Blind Faith ?

No one is hiding anything neither is anyone stopping you from eating swine if you want so go ahead and be my guest. Stick to the subject at hand that is pork consumption being bad for you. Many video's have been provided on it here. As I have stated that other foods may also be harmful as well, Allah is not going to give you a list of what you can r can not eat. I don't know what your point is? Mines is that swine is forbidden for man's own good yet if we wish to feed on it then we do so at our own risk. The sahaba obviously obeyed Allah and his apostle avoiding all that has ben banned in Islam.
 
It's prohibited in The Holy Quran, which I think is enough reason for the faithfuls. Also, in Judaism, it's strictly prohibited, while hard core Catholics don't eat pork, but I am not sure about that. More or less, in most religion, Pork actually is prohibited or at least discouraged.

In Holy Quran, it's clearly prohibited consumption of pork. -

"HE has made unlawful for you that which dies of itself and blood and the flesh of swine and that on which the name of any other than ALLAH has been invoked. But he who is driven by necessity, being neither disobedient nor exceeding the limit, then surely, ALLAH is Most Forgiving, Merciful." Quran 2:173

Not eating pigs is CLEARLY mentioned in the Bible as well (Leviticus 11:07)

According to Jewish law, pork is one of a number of foods forbidden from consumption by Jews. These foods are known as "non-kosher" foods. In order for a meat to be kosher, it must first come from a kosher animal. A kosher animal must be a ruminant and have split hooves - therefore cows, sheep, goats and deer are all kosher, whereas camels and pigs (having each only one sign of kashrut) are not kosher.


Having said that, pork isn't the best diet either - it terms of quality as a food, it's probably at least twice the worse than any other red meat. Here are some insights why (no credit of mine, I just complied - can't post the link)

1) A pig is a real garbage gut. It will eat anything including urine, excrement, dirt, decaying animal flesh, maggots, or decaying vegetables. They will even eat the cancerous growths off other pigs or animals.

2) The meat and fat of a pig absorbs toxins like a sponge. Their meat can be 30 times more toxic than beef or venison.

3) When eating beef or venison, it takes 8 to 9 hours to digest the meat so what little toxins are in the meat are slowly put into our system and can be filtered by the liver. But when pork is eaten, it takes only 4 hours to digest the meat. We thus get a much higher level of toxins within a shorter time.

4) Unlike other mammals, a pig does not sweat or perspire. Perspiration is a means by which toxins are removed from the body. Since a pig does not sweat, the toxins remain within its body and in the meat.

5) Pigs and swine are so poisonous that you can hardly kill them with strychnine or other poisons.

6) Farmers will often pen up pigs within a rattlesnake nest because the pigs will eat the snakes, and if bitten they will not be harmed by the venom.

7) When a pig is butchered, worms and insects take to its flesh sooner and faster than to other animal's flesh. In a few days the swine flesh is full of worms.

8) Swine and pigs have over a dozen parasites within them, such as tapeworms, flukes, worms, and trichinae. There is no safe temperature at which pork can be cooked to ensure that all these parasites, their cysts, and eggs will be killed.

9) Pig meat has twice as much fat as beef. A 3 oz T bone steak contains 8.5 grams of fat; a 3 oz pork chop contains 18 grams of fat. A 3 oz beef rib has 11.1 grams of fat; a 3 oz pork spare rib has 23.2 grams of fat.

10) Cows have a complex digestive system, having four stomachs. It thus takes over 24 hours to digest their vegetarian diet causing its food to be purified of toxins. In contrast, the swine's one stomach takes only about 4 hours to digest its foul diet, turning its toxic food into flesh.

11) The swine carries about 30 diseases which can be easily passed to humans. This is why, in Bible it's commanded that we are not even to touch their carcase (Leviticus 11:8).

12) The trichinae worm of the swine is microscopically small, and once ingested can lodge itself in our intestines, muscles, spinal cord or the brain. This results in the disease trichinosis. The symptoms are sometimes lacking, but when present they are mistaken for other diseases, such as typhoid, arthritis, rheumatism, gastritis, MS, meningitis, gall bladder trouble, or acute alcoholism.

13) The pig is so poisonous and filthy, that nature had to prepare him a sewer line or canal running down each leg with an outlet in the bottom of the foot. Out of this hole oozes pus and filth his body cannot pass into its system fast enough. Some of this pus gets into the meat of the pig.

However, one Muslim scholar explained to me that, ONLY in case of saving life, IF no other edible (could be barks or leafs of tree) food is available, Muslims can consume that much Pork, which can keep him alive till support comes (condition applied).
 
It's prohibited in The Holy Quran, which I think is enough reason for the faithfuls. Also, in Judaism, it's strictly prohibited, while hard core Catholics don't eat pork, but I am not sure about that. More or less, in most religion, Pork actually is prohibited or at least discouraged.

In Holy Quran, it's clearly prohibited consumption of pork. -

"HE has made unlawful for you that which dies of itself and blood and the flesh of swine and that on which the name of any other than ALLAH has been invoked. But he who is driven by necessity, being neither disobedient nor exceeding the limit, then surely, ALLAH is Most Forgiving, Merciful." Quran 2:173

Not eating pigs is CLEARLY mentioned in the Bible as well (Leviticus 11:07)

According to Jewish law, pork is one of a number of foods forbidden from consumption by Jews. These foods are known as "non-kosher" foods. In order for a meat to be kosher, it must first come from a kosher animal. A kosher animal must be a ruminant and have split hooves - therefore cows, sheep, goats and deer are all kosher, whereas camels and pigs (having each only one sign of kashrut) are not kosher.


Having said that, pork isn't the best diet either - it terms of quality as a food, it's probably at least twice the worse than any other red meat. Here are some insights why (no credit of mine, I just complied - can't post the link)

1) A pig is a real garbage gut. It will eat anything including urine, excrement, dirt, decaying animal flesh, maggots, or decaying vegetables. They will even eat the cancerous growths off other pigs or animals.

2) The meat and fat of a pig absorbs toxins like a sponge. Their meat can be 30 times more toxic than beef or venison.

3) When eating beef or venison, it takes 8 to 9 hours to digest the meat so what little toxins are in the meat are slowly put into our system and can be filtered by the liver. But when pork is eaten, it takes only 4 hours to digest the meat. We thus get a much higher level of toxins within a shorter time.

4) Unlike other mammals, a pig does not sweat or perspire. Perspiration is a means by which toxins are removed from the body. Since a pig does not sweat, the toxins remain within its body and in the meat.

5) Pigs and swine are so poisonous that you can hardly kill them with strychnine or other poisons.

6) Farmers will often pen up pigs within a rattlesnake nest because the pigs will eat the snakes, and if bitten they will not be harmed by the venom.

7) When a pig is butchered, worms and insects take to its flesh sooner and faster than to other animal's flesh. In a few days the swine flesh is full of worms.

8) Swine and pigs have over a dozen parasites within them, such as tapeworms, flukes, worms, and trichinae. There is no safe temperature at which pork can be cooked to ensure that all these parasites, their cysts, and eggs will be killed.

9) Pig meat has twice as much fat as beef. A 3 oz T bone steak contains 8.5 grams of fat; a 3 oz pork chop contains 18 grams of fat. A 3 oz beef rib has 11.1 grams of fat; a 3 oz pork spare rib has 23.2 grams of fat.

10) Cows have a complex digestive system, having four stomachs. It thus takes over 24 hours to digest their vegetarian diet causing its food to be purified of toxins. In contrast, the swine's one stomach takes only about 4 hours to digest its foul diet, turning its toxic food into flesh.

11) The swine carries about 30 diseases which can be easily passed to humans. This is why, in Bible it's commanded that we are not even to touch their carcase (Leviticus 11:8).

12) The trichinae worm of the swine is microscopically small, and once ingested can lodge itself in our intestines, muscles, spinal cord or the brain. This results in the disease trichinosis. The symptoms are sometimes lacking, but when present they are mistaken for other diseases, such as typhoid, arthritis, rheumatism, gastritis, MS, meningitis, gall bladder trouble, or acute alcoholism.

13) The pig is so poisonous and filthy, that nature had to prepare him a sewer line or canal running down each leg with an outlet in the bottom of the foot. Out of this hole oozes pus and filth his body cannot pass into its system fast enough. Some of this pus gets into the meat of the pig.

However, one Muslim scholar explained to me that, ONLY in case of saving life, IF no other edible (could be barks or leafs of tree) food is available, Muslims can consume that much Pork, which can keep him alive till support comes (condition applied).

What a load of BS

People really need to educate themselves before making such claims.

Every single one of your points (which you copy pasted from somewhere else) has already been answered and thoroughly so (i.e backed up with proper research instead of just typing whatever you hear from your uneducated maulvi)

Go have a look here

http://www.sabhlokcity.com/2015/07/...pork-but-kindly-dont-falsely-malign-pig-meat/

For those too lazy to click, the summary is pig meat is just as healthy (or unhealthy) as any other meat. Most of the stuff mentioned in this post is nonsense and completely untrue.
 
As far as I know only pigs eat filth. Goats and chickens etc only do so seeds, grass and water. I think the above video clarifies this.

Absurd and absolutely baseless. Any animal left in a filthy environment will consume filth. What do you think they feed cows at cattle farms? (http://archive.onearth.org/articles...p-literally-that-factory-farms-feed-to-cattle). Wild mountain goats will consume their own urine (http://semi-rad.com/2012/01/beware-the-urine-drinking-goats/)

Farm fed pigs are provided healthy food. Moreover, the stereotype that Pigs sleep and root in faeces is completely incorrect. In the wild, boars don't sleep and root in poo, they eat plants. (read more here http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150924-the-truth-about-pigs)
 
Rabbits are not carnivores. Same goes for Goats.

The swine is a 'filthy' animal there is no doubt and other properties such as the skin of a swine is used to repair burnt skin of humans. The meat is just not ideal for human consumption.

Humans have been consuming pigs for centuries and nothing has happened to them. They've gone on to live perfectly heatlhy long lives. What makes you assume that it is not ideal for human consumption?

Moreover, this has nothing to do with whether an animal is a carnivore or a herbivore. Most fish are carnivores yet they are halal. Chickens also in fact, consume worms and insects.
 
The argument is if or not you believe in the word of Allah. It does not say anywhere that those who consume pork are destined for hell fire. The thing to remember is that we are the ones who benefit from avoiding pork. If a doctor told you to avoid something then most likely you will yet people question something when Allah says it. Faith has to be backed up with evidence as well otherwise it's blind faith. In a previous post someone said that rabbits and other animals consume filth as well which is something no doctor has ever told me.

Why would a doctor tell you what a rabbit consumes? Are you for real?

The act of consuming ones own feces is known as Coprophagia. Google it and you will read the following:


Species within the Lagomorpha (rabbits, hares, and pikas) produce two types of fecal pellets: hard ones, and soft ones called cecotropes. Animals in these species reingest their cecotropes, to extract further nutrients.
 
I personally donot subscribe to the "Pork is worse than all meat " argument . If bred in unhealthy and unscientific conditions, you can replicate so much of those bad qualities in all poultry.

Like some of the posters here pointed out , this ban on pork , which is shared by Judaism and Islam, must be a result of the general poor/unhealthy techniques of rearing pigs and the subsequent health issues resulting from its consumption WHICH EXISTED BACK THEN !
[MENTION=107753]uberkoen[/MENTION]
Wild boar (aka Wild pig) is a protected species in India and you can go to jail for poaching or attempting to sell its meat.

But I'm from a part of India which is full of dense tropical forests ,so wild pig meat is easily available for a very high price (if you know the right dealers). It's meat is generally considered as one of the highest quality of wild meats (even more so than wild buffaloes) and nutritious too, so I guess the negative qualities associated with pork (eating filth, feces, carnivorous tendencies) must be traits acquired by the pig over centuries of domestication and poor rearing .

I also feel that, unlike cows , goats or bulls which either were milk producing cattle or had agricultural/transport applications, pig was essentially domesticated only for its meat, which would have led to it being considered at a much lower standing than other poultry and thereby very little attention would've been given to its living conditions.
 
Many non-Muslims also do not eat pork because they find it to be disgusting. Not just a Muslim thing.
 
Many non-Muslims also do not eat pork because they find it to be disgusting. Not just a Muslim thing.

Completely untrue and and argument which is not backed by any data or proof.

I don't understand why people even bother making such claims?
 
I personally donot subscribe to the "Pork is worse than all meat " argument . If bred in unhealthy and unscientific conditions, you can replicate so much of those bad qualities in all poultry.

Like some of the posters here pointed out , this ban on pork , which is shared by Judaism and Islam, must be a result of the general poor/unhealthy techniques of rearing pigs and the subsequent health issues resulting from its consumption WHICH EXISTED BACK THEN !

[MENTION=107753]uberkoen[/MENTION]
Wild boar (aka Wild pig) is a protected species in India and you can go to jail for poaching or attempting to sell its meat.

But I'm from a part of India which is full of dense tropical forests ,so wild pig meat is easily available for a very high price (if you know the right dealers). It's meat is generally considered as one of the highest quality of wild meats (even more so than wild buffaloes) and nutritious too, so I guess the negative qualities associated with pork (eating filth, feces, carnivorous tendencies) must be traits acquired by the pig over centuries of domestication and poor rearing .

I also feel that, unlike cows , goats or bulls which either were milk producing cattle or had agricultural/transport applications, pig was essentially domesticated only for its meat, which would have led to it being considered at a much lower standing than other poultry and thereby very little attention would've been given to its living conditions.

Very good points.

Makes sense.
 
What a load of BS

People really need to educate themselves before making such claims.

Every single one of your points (which you copy pasted from somewhere else) has already been answered and thoroughly so (i.e backed up with proper research instead of just typing whatever you hear from your uneducated maulvi)

Go have a look here

http://www.sabhlokcity.com/2015/07/...pork-but-kindly-dont-falsely-malign-pig-meat/

For those too lazy to click, the summary is pig meat is just as healthy (or unhealthy) as any other meat. Most of the stuff mentioned in this post is nonsense and completely untrue.

For me, the first part of my post was enough. Regarding the quality of pork, I actually found it from a Facebook post, which I couldn't verify.
 
No one is hiding anything neither is anyone stopping you from eating swine if you want so go ahead and be my guest. Stick to the subject at hand that is pork consumption being bad for you. Many video's have been provided on it here. As I have stated that other foods may also be harmful as well, Allah is not going to give you a list of what you can r can not eat. I don't know what your point is? Mines is that swine is forbidden for man's own good yet if we wish to feed on it then we do so at our own risk. The sahaba obviously obeyed Allah and his apostle avoiding all that has ben banned in Islam.

It's prohibited in The Holy Quran, which I think is enough reason for the faithfuls. Also, in Judaism, it's strictly prohibited, while hard core Catholics don't eat pork, but I am not sure about that. More or less, in most religion, Pork actually is prohibited or at least discouraged.

In Holy Quran, it's clearly prohibited consumption of pork. -

"HE has made unlawful for you that which dies of itself and blood and the flesh of swine and that on which the name of any other than ALLAH has been invoked. But he who is driven by necessity, being neither disobedient nor exceeding the limit, then surely, ALLAH is Most Forgiving, Merciful." Quran 2:173

Not eating pigs is CLEARLY mentioned in the Bible as well (Leviticus 11:07)

According to Jewish law, pork is one of a number of foods forbidden from consumption by Jews. These foods are known as "non-kosher" foods. In order for a meat to be kosher, it must first come from a kosher animal. A kosher animal must be a ruminant and have split hooves - therefore cows, sheep, goats and deer are all kosher, whereas camels and pigs (having each only one sign of kashrut) are not kosher.


Having said that, pork isn't the best diet either - it terms of quality as a food, it's probably at least twice the worse than any other red meat. Here are some insights why (no credit of mine, I just complied - can't post the link)

1) A pig is a real garbage gut. It will eat anything including urine, excrement, dirt, decaying animal flesh, maggots, or decaying vegetables. They will even eat the cancerous growths off other pigs or animals.

2) The meat and fat of a pig absorbs toxins like a sponge. Their meat can be 30 times more toxic than beef or venison.

3) When eating beef or venison, it takes 8 to 9 hours to digest the meat so what little toxins are in the meat are slowly put into our system and can be filtered by the liver. But when pork is eaten, it takes only 4 hours to digest the meat. We thus get a much higher level of toxins within a shorter time.

4) Unlike other mammals, a pig does not sweat or perspire. Perspiration is a means by which toxins are removed from the body. Since a pig does not sweat, the toxins remain within its body and in the meat.

5) Pigs and swine are so poisonous that you can hardly kill them with strychnine or other poisons.

6) Farmers will often pen up pigs within a rattlesnake nest because the pigs will eat the snakes, and if bitten they will not be harmed by the venom.

7) When a pig is butchered, worms and insects take to its flesh sooner and faster than to other animal's flesh. In a few days the swine flesh is full of worms.

8) Swine and pigs have over a dozen parasites within them, such as tapeworms, flukes, worms, and trichinae. There is no safe temperature at which pork can be cooked to ensure that all these parasites, their cysts, and eggs will be killed.

9) Pig meat has twice as much fat as beef. A 3 oz T bone steak contains 8.5 grams of fat; a 3 oz pork chop contains 18 grams of fat. A 3 oz beef rib has 11.1 grams of fat; a 3 oz pork spare rib has 23.2 grams of fat.

10) Cows have a complex digestive system, having four stomachs. It thus takes over 24 hours to digest their vegetarian diet causing its food to be purified of toxins. In contrast, the swine's one stomach takes only about 4 hours to digest its foul diet, turning its toxic food into flesh.

11) The swine carries about 30 diseases which can be easily passed to humans. This is why, in Bible it's commanded that we are not even to touch their carcase (Leviticus 11:8).

12) The trichinae worm of the swine is microscopically small, and once ingested can lodge itself in our intestines, muscles, spinal cord or the brain. This results in the disease trichinosis. The symptoms are sometimes lacking, but when present they are mistaken for other diseases, such as typhoid, arthritis, rheumatism, gastritis, MS, meningitis, gall bladder trouble, or acute alcoholism.

13) The pig is so poisonous and filthy, that nature had to prepare him a sewer line or canal running down each leg with an outlet in the bottom of the foot. Out of this hole oozes pus and filth his body cannot pass into its system fast enough. Some of this pus gets into the meat of the pig.

However, one Muslim scholar explained to me that, ONLY in case of saving life, IF no other edible (could be barks or leafs of tree) food is available, Muslims can consume that much Pork, which can keep him alive till support comes (condition applied).

Many non-Muslims also do not eat pork because they find it to be disgusting. Not just a Muslim thing.


Why are you guys trying to give it a medical, scientific angling ? Why are you trying to justify that since many non-muslims don't consume it so they find it disgusting hence we also follow those lines ?

What sort of argument is this ?




Holy Quran has mentioned PIg as " Najass "


When you talk about " Najass " than the debate of Health won't come in between the argument. Question can be raised, Why ?

Because when you raise the points of Health than there are many other animals which are not haraam (not prohibited from eating) so you will be struck in this dilemma than the Fat of X animal cannot be eaten because it can create Cardiac issues. Furthermore this can be said aswell that what is than the downside of eating lean meat of Pig if there is no fats in it than what are ill effects of eating it ?


This is why this argument of Health related disadvantages is just a waste of time, there are nothing significant in these debates.



- See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-do-Muslims-not-eat-Pork#sthash.ja3HjSFj.dpuf
Read more at http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...y-do-Muslims-not-eat-Pork#Ps5eRR2PKBXH3pHI.99
 
Why are you guys trying to give it a medical, scientific angling ? Why are you trying to justify that since many non-muslims don't consume it so they find it disgusting hence we also follow those lines ?

What sort of argument is this ?




Holy Quran has mentioned PIg as " Najass "


When you talk about " Najass " than the debate of Health won't come in between the argument. Question can be raised, Why ?

Because when you raise the points of Health than there are many other animals which are not haraam (not prohibited from eating) so you will be struck in this dilemma than the Fat of X animal cannot be eaten because it can create Cardiac issues. Furthermore this can be said aswell that what is than the downside of eating lean meat of Pig if there is no fats in it than what are ill effects of eating it ?


This is why this argument of Health related disadvantages is just a waste of time, there are nothing significant in these debates.



- See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-do-Muslims-not-eat-Pork#sthash.ja3HjSFj.dpuf
Read more at http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...y-do-Muslims-not-eat-Pork#Ps5eRR2PKBXH3pHI.99

Agreed.

As I mentioned, for me, the first part of my post is enough.
 
Why are you guys trying to give it a medical, scientific angling ? Why are you trying to justify that since many non-muslims don't consume it so they find it disgusting hence we also follow those lines ?

What sort of argument is this ?




Holy Quran has mentioned PIg as " Najass "


When you talk about " Najass " than the debate of Health won't come in between the argument. Question can be raised, Why ?

Because when you raise the points of Health than there are many other animals which are not haraam (not prohibited from eating) so you will be struck in this dilemma than the Fat of X animal cannot be eaten because it can create Cardiac issues. Furthermore this can be said aswell that what is than the downside of eating lean meat of Pig if there is no fats in it than what are ill effects of eating it ?


This is why this argument of Health related disadvantages is just a waste of time, there are nothing significant in these debates.



- See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-do-Muslims-not-eat-Pork#sthash.ja3HjSFj.dpuf
Read more at http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...y-do-Muslims-not-eat-Pork#Ps5eRR2PKBXH3pHI.99

So your point is that there's no logical reason behind considering pork meat haraam.

The question asked by the OP was whether there is any logical reasoning behind this and so the answer according to you should've been a simple no.
 
Please don't post things you cannot verify.

Now, this time you have done that.

I found that pork meat story in a face book post, which for you was from an illiterate mullah & you posted from somewhere exactly the counter logic of that facebook post, matching by words. Going by the name of both person, I can understand between the lines.

Since, you encouraged me to verify, for the first time in life, I actually spent some time on this & found many, many such post, which are actually not written by Mullahs (but, still could be BS, I don't know, neither care ....)

https://draxe.com/why-you-should-avoid-pork/
http://www.medindia.net/patients/lifestyleandwellness/health-risks-of-eating-pork.htm
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/12/12/eating-pork.aspx
http://ninacheriefranklin.com/live-well/eating-pork-good-bad-health/
http://www.alternet.org/food/bacon-hog-farm
http://www.silverdoctors.com/gold/g...ence-says-that-eating-pork-does-cause-cancer/
http://www.livestrong.com/article/522101-disadvantages-of-pork/
http://www.indiatimes.com/health/tips-tricks/health-risks-of-eating-pork-242214.html
http://time.com/3852214/pork-pig/

This is just from first couple of pages of the search engine ............


However, I do think that Pigs are raise in the most unhealthy & measurable way, which probably has a long term effect in it's metabolism & other issues mentioned here.
 
Now, this time you have done that.

I found that pork meat story in a face book post, which for you was from an illiterate mullah & you posted from somewhere exactly the counter logic of that facebook post, matching by words. Going by the name of both person, I can understand between the lines.

Since, you encouraged me to verify, for the first time in life, I actually spent some time on this & found many, many such post, which are actually not written by Mullahs (but, still could be BS, I don't know, neither care ....)

https://draxe.com/why-you-should-avoid-pork/
http://www.medindia.net/patients/lifestyleandwellness/health-risks-of-eating-pork.htm
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/12/12/eating-pork.aspx
http://ninacheriefranklin.com/live-well/eating-pork-good-bad-health/
http://www.alternet.org/food/bacon-hog-farm
http://www.silverdoctors.com/gold/g...ence-says-that-eating-pork-does-cause-cancer/
http://www.livestrong.com/article/522101-disadvantages-of-pork/
http://www.indiatimes.com/health/tips-tricks/health-risks-of-eating-pork-242214.html
http://time.com/3852214/pork-pig/

This is just from first couple of pages of the search engine ............


However, I do think that Pigs are raise in the most unhealthy & measurable way, which probably has a long term effect in it's metabolism & other issues mentioned here.

Brilliant work. Some very good articles there. I have several counter arguments but I will not go into detail.


I appreciate the work you've done in backing up your claims by proper references. This is something most people don't bother doing.
 
So your point is that there's no logical reason behind considering pork meat haraam.

The question asked by the OP was whether there is any logical reasoning behind this and so the answer according to you should've been a simple no.


I have given a link to my Post.

This link is of the same thread.


I have answered the OP in depth.
 
Brilliant work. Some very good articles there. I have several counter arguments but I will not go into detail.


I appreciate the work you've done in backing up your claims by proper references. This is something most people don't bother doing.

I never felt to do any research on why something is forbidden in some religion - some Hindus don't eat beef & I do respect that. I never ordered beaf in restaurants if any of my Hindu friend (who isn't a beef eater) is accompanying. One of my colleague here is Vegan (he doesn't eat even honey) - I am perfectly ok with him to share Rissoto & Mashroom😤

Forget pork, alchohol is one of the highest consumed food/beverage & its healthy as well to a limited level (in Canada sometimes essential at below 40C) - I don't drink it, not even beer, because simply it's forbidden. And I don't eat foods that needs wine to cook (though the spirit evaporate within few minutes) or any desert that might need alcohol. But during my dorm days, I was perfectly ok with camping friends who'll consume pork rib & rai whisky in abundance - I'll enjoy my time with them with lemonade & self slaughtered chicken barbique ......

It's belief & ritual - beyond logic.
 
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I am against the consumption of pork and swine. Do you have a problem in reading my previous mails where I have repeated made it clear that pork and swine are harmful. It appears you are on my side so what are you then arguing about?? It is those people here I assume Muslim's who are supporting this filthy habit who I am taking care off.


There are other Muslims aswell who do not consume pork and consider it haraam as per Islam.

But You and one other or two other posters have been trying to give medical reasons or hygienic reasons/eating habits of Pigs which are not scientifically or medically proven.

Furthermore there are billions who consume pork and they have far better health than you, me and us.


There are some Halaal animals who also have bad eating habits which many muslim and non muslim posters have pointed out but we still consume them as they are halaal.

A Doctor isn't supposed to tell you rabbit habitat and whether it's healthy or deleterious for you.


In my first Post in this thread I have singled out two distinct putrid behaviours of this animal because of which we can say that its rightly called " Najass " by Holy Quran.


In one of your Post you yourself claimed that you follow teachings logically rather than having blind faith. This is only right in some cases.

Here too the reasons and logics you have presented have been debunked by other Muslim members as not proven right by science or medical science.


For 1300 years Sahaba and than next 15-20 generations of Muslims did not consume Pork without any lohic or reasoning whatsoever. Because they obliged to Allah's command and prohibition. There is no Authentic Hadith which gives any justification or logic for this Act.


Here on PP few months ago hadi123 my friend from USA posted that for the firstime he ate Bacon in Pizza and He felt it to be absolutely yummy and tasty. Doesn't mean I also start eating it. Being tasty is also not a logic to undo Allah's command.


You have not lived in Pakistan so you won't be knowing but there is a Habit of Male Goat (Bakra) which is Halaal. You will find it filthy. One member has menrioned it here. But I still love Mutton :)
 
Don't be ridiculous with your nonsense. Human beings also work in filthy conditions yet don't eat what they see. Don't tell me what pig's are provided when they are dirty animals by nature. Allah knows much more then you do. Just like a toilet is naturally dirty so are pig's.

I read somewhere that Pigs don't sweat, for that it often suffers from heat stroke & needs artificial coolent to save it's skin & keep body temperature manageable. This is similar with hippopotamus, but unlike hippo, instead of water, pigs are fond of filth & swage ......
 
I read somewhere that Pigs don't sweat, for that it often suffers from heat stroke & needs artificial coolent to save it's skin & keep body temperature manageable. This is similar with hippopotamus, but unlike hippo, instead of water, pigs are fond of filth & swage ......

This is not entirely true.
 
Many non-Muslims also do not eat pork because they find it to be disgusting. Not just a Muslim thing.

completely untrue

literally never have heard or seen this. if they dont eat pork they dont eat other kinds of meat either
 
There may be anthropological reasons behind it...but the shortest and easiest answer is:

because Allah (swt) said don't eat it...a Muslim doesn't need any more reason to not eat pork just like in the Quran it says you can marry up to 4 wives...there is no need to ask "well why can't I marry 5 then?"
 
completely untrue

literally never have heard or seen this. if they dont eat pork they dont eat other kinds of meat either

Ever heard of the Jews?

Also some Christian denominations like Seventh Day Adventists and I believe Jehova's Witnesses also don't eat pork.
 
There may be anthropological reasons behind it...but the shortest and easiest answer is:

because Allah (swt) said don't eat it...a Muslim doesn't need any more reason to not eat pork just like in the Quran it says you can marry up to 4 wives...there is no need to ask "well why can't I marry 5 then?"


Shukkar hai yaar. Allah aapko jaza dey.


Here there are people who are giving Medical and Scientific Reasons (all debunked ones) to prove their point and stating that they don’t believe in blind faith in this matter aswell ;) So they are giving reasons logics and videos which are debunked :)
 
I read somewhere that Pigs don't sweat, for that it often suffers from heat stroke & needs artificial coolent to save it's skin & keep body temperature manageable. This is similar with hippopotamus, but unlike hippo, instead of water, pigs are fond of filth & swage ......

We are talking about eating habits here.
 
So you're comparing a doctor with Allah and what you're saying is that doctors are infallible and are never wrong?

I am saying that when a doctors advises on health matters hardly any patient will question it. When Allah says tells people to avoid something then pig eaters have a hard time in dealing with it.
 
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I am surprised no one has mentioned the word "test" here. Allah SWT has prohibited consuming this animal and that should be suffiicient for a believer. Could be test to see if we have strong willpower to keep us away from eating pork. This in addition to that it is a filthy animal.
I mean muslims are also ordered to fast and you can not start saying since fasting is healthy we do it. We fast because Allah SWT tells us to do it. The benefits of fasting are also there. If you only want to avoid eating betweens Sehr and sunset you can do that 11 months and then dont fast when Ramadan comes. How will you feel?
And when Allah SWT told Prophet Ibrahim (AS) to sacrifice his beloved son Ismaeel (AS), he (as) didn't start arguing with Allah that it is nonesense to kill an innocent child and that too his own son, that it is against any logic to do so. He(AS) did What Allah ordered and we all know the result.
 
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