Need to introduce relegation sytem in PSL in order to improve quality

[Shafi]

The title says it all. We need more teams in PSL and 1 team has to be relegated every year so the contest will be better so franchises will be under pressure to be more attentive to select better players (foreigners and local) and performances.

The franchises really don't worry about performances because they know that the prize money is not that big plus there no relegation system so its doesn't matter whether they are no. 6 or no.1. As long as they field a team for the tournament its all matter. That's why players' performances doesn't matter after all.

 

[Savak]

This was my email to Najam Sethi in 2018 to which he responded

Dear Mr Najam Sethi

There are so many high net worth Pakistani business owners both in and outside Pakistan whose personal wealths are close to $1 billion. The names of the following come to mind

1) Saddrudun Hashwani
2) Mian Muhammad Mansha Natt
3) Deewan Group Family
4) Arif Habib
5) Engro Corporation
6) Sir Anwar Pervez (London)
7) Shahid Khan (USA)

It may also be possible to engage and attract foreign rich businessmen from India, Arab states like Saudia Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait and China to be PSL Franchise owners. These PSL Franchise Owners should ultimately be encouraged to buy out their respective regions, take complete ownership of the domestic regional teams and this way the goal of privitization of Pakistan Cricket at the grassroots can be achieved and the PCB can focus on just running the affairs of the PCB.

I believe the PSL can easily be number 2 and fingers crossed maybe even over take the IPL if we are very over optimistic. The goal should be a total of 16-18 teams and by selling those teams out at lucrative prices the PCB can get huge financial injections, cash flows where it will no longer be dependant on funds from the ICC, BCCI and this way we can take a strong stand when it comes to making foreign teams tour Pakistan with our held heads high

We can have the following teams from Punjab i.e. Lahore, Multan, Sialkot, Faislabad, Sarghodda

We can have the following teams from Sindh i.e. Karachi, Hyderabad, Sukkur

We can have the following teams from Balochistan i.e. Quetta, Gwadar

We can have the following teams from KPK i.e. Peshawar, Abbotabad, FATA

We can the Islamabad team

We can have a Bahria Town team

We can the following team from Kashmir i.e. Muzzafarabad

We can have a team from the Northern Areas like Gilgit, Baltistan

These are 18 PSL Franchises, the PCB can sell each Franchise at an astranomical higher price and can even rake in a total of $200 million from the sale of these teams. Even better for Pakistan Cricket is that this will allow more talent to be absorbed by the Franchises and more room for foreign players. The PCB will be able to create room for a PSL window in International Cricket just like the BCCI does with the IPL.

The PCB should definately keep these points in mind in the future

Regards

Thank you. I have been trying to convince the Franchisees and Departments to take the Regional teams and develop a sound commercial regional structure. Similarly, the Elected Regional Associations refuse to allow anyone to take them over. The former want control and the latter refuse to yield it. Under the present PCB Constitution,
We are deadlocked.

But I am not giving up.

 

[Savak]

I am against having 25 departmental, regional teams but somewhere around 16-18 should be sufficient given that county cricket has 16 teams and Pakistan's population is 200 million but it has to be based on the premise and structure i have recommended i.e. fully bought out, backed, financed by powerful corporate entities and top business owners.

The PCB can easily make $200 million just from the annual fees from these Franchisees alone per annum and can then devolve power below leaving it only to worry about the national team affairs.

 

[Shafi]

This was my email to Najam Sethi in 2018 to which he responded

May be need to send same email to Mani as well. This guy is so incompetent so not sure about any outcome. Also need to have better draft of players based on merit which is highly unlikely under Inzi.

 

[Madplayer]

There should be a minimum win limit. That would work better. All teams have to win a pre-determined minimum number of matches. If a team does not get the minimum number of wins, it should not be allowed to participate in next year. The minimum limit needs to be calculated very carefully though so as to not go over board. But you need more teams in the PSL for this to happen.

 

[reversehook]

Sorry but that will never happen in psl... its as much as good and up-trending as it seems, will not be able to sustain a relegation model. Say you have 7 or 8 teams, only 6 can go into the psl season. What do you suppose the other 1 or 2 teams are going to do, sit out a season and hang dry their laundry? No businessman is going to invest millions to see his team sit out. Even if you had 2 equal tiers of teams which circulated in the promotion and relegation manner, still its a tough buy for an owner to have his team sit out in the lower tier and pay hefty prices to players for 2nd tier sides. Also, too many teams will make sides weak and too many railu kataa's will get in. Where is the fun in that. This 6 team format is good. keep it at 6, i dont even want to see a 7th team. This will hopefully force domestic talent to press harder and harder to showcase themselves.

 

[Shafi]

Sorry but that will never happen in psl... its as much as good and up-trending as it seems, will not be able to sustain a relegation model. Say you have 7 or 8 teams, only 6 can go into the psl season. What do you suppose the other 1 or 2 teams are going to do, sit out a season and hang dry their laundry? No businessman is going to invest millions to see his team sit out. Even if you had 2 equal tiers of teams which circulated in the promotion and relegation manner, still its a tough buy for an owner to have his team sit out in the lower tier and pay hefty prices to players for 2nd tier sides. Also, too many teams will make sides weak and too many railu kataa's will get in. Where is the fun in that. This 6 team format is good. keep it at 6, i dont even want to see a 7th team. This will hopefully force domestic talent to press harder and harder to showcase themselves.

PCB cannot force franchises to select any promising player unless there is a pressure to perform as a team and draft system base on merit and vision. They can even select Faisal Iqbal as a captain for next 5 years along with some retired and TTF players knowing that they can field team next year even if they don't win a single match in a whole tournament. It will be at the end a business and entertainment for owners rather than competitive sports.

 

[hashimafzal]

Whoever made this thread thinks the Pro/Reg model in football just came overnight and they didn't already have a system which allowed for it.

The PSL currently has 0 structure and 0 infrastructure to allow for such a change.

If one team is relegated, where will they end up going? Eaten up by a blackhole? Or going to play in a domestic structure which is not profitable at all? Don't think of football, because that is a completely separate structure but rather the American franchise model of say the NBA and NFL. Without promotion and relegation they hold the highest standard of the sport and showcase the best teams in the world on a weekly basis. Introducing more teams into the PSL will waterdown the product and as opposed to international "stars" you will begin seeing more and more foreign rejects (as if the current number wasn't enough) and gully mohallah club players because remember, at the end of the day there is only one AB De Villiers.

PCB needs to find a system to reward teams who do well on the field. It would be easier had the matches been in Pakistan because often an indicator of on field success is match attendance and merchandise, but such is difficult in the UAE.

 

[reversehook]

PCB cannot force franchises to select any promising player unless there is a pressure to perform as a team and draft system base on merit and vision. They can even select Faisal Iqbal as a captain for next 5 years along with some retired and TTF players knowing that they can field team next year even if they don't win a single match in a whole tournament. It will be at the end a business and entertainment for owners rather than competitive sports.

oh bhai, you need to understand its business, the teams dont care, they are there for their own self interests, not to care for pcb's problems... the benefits of it are that new guys surface... but thats not on the to do list of franchises... they need to market, no names dont market well... look at lhr q's getting salman butt...

btw, i would love to see youngsters etc, but reality is we wont see many...

 

[Farhan93]

Very good suggestion. But then how a terrible lot like Imam ul haq, Ghulam mudasar, Irfan Jnr, Amad butt, Saif badar, Salman Irshad, Micky Arthur etc will get selected? The Owners then will have to get very serious in selecting their managmnt who then will have to push their relations etc aside while picking up the squad.
In culture like Pakistan, such challenging system can't work unfortunately.

 

[Madplayer]

Some of the wiser people have raised good points here to showcase why a relegation system would be a failure under the current structure of PSL. Hence i think something different could be done.

In my earlier post i mentioned that a minimum win limit should be kept and every team must win those many games. If a team cant do it, they should not be allowed to play next year. Now in light of new suggestions, it is obvious that PSL cant afford to just ban a team from playing. And Hence i believe some alternate penalty should be put into place if a team is unable to win the prescribed number of matches. The penalty could be anything that will prove to be a disadvantage for the team. It could start at the auctions itself or maybe the team could start with negative points in next season of PSL. I'll leave that to more imaginative minds to decide.

 

[Farhan93]

This was my email to Najam Sethi in 2018 to which he responded

Rich businessmen from India? Seriously? We really like to sabotage our own projects and want to shoot ourselves in the foot. Don't we?

We Pakistanis indeed have a shocking mindset. No wonder why we always remain in a mess as a country

 

[barah_admi]

The title says it all. We need more teams in PSL and 1 team has to be relegated every year so the contest will be better so franchises will be under pressure to be more attentive to select better players (foreigners and local) and performances.

The franchises really don't worry about performances because they know that the prize money is not that big plus there no relegation system so its doesn't matter whether they are no. 6 or no.1. As long as they field a team for the tournament its all matter. That's why players' performances doesn't matter after all.

But the quality is damn good, terrific batting and bowling, with a very good emphasis on fielding.

Also, no idea where you have gotten this theory that the franchise owners do not care about winning, of course they do, otherwise they would not bid on the best possible players.

Finally, I agree a relegation system would be great for the competition as a whole, not necessarily to increase quality but it adds depth to the tournament. However, this can only happen if there are more teams (interesting post by savak dealing with that). All of this however, will take quite a bit of time.

 

[Mirpur express]

Need the PSL in Pakistan first ASAP as watching empty stadiums is painfull , so first of all psl needs to be played in Pakistan before anything else.

 

[Mirpur express]

The email to sethi was cringy to say the least ����*

 

[Major]

Immature thread.

You should really study how franchise cricket works.


You cant have teams coming and leaving after 1 season. These are long run investments

Also let me remind you not every owner is fielding a team to win, some are doing so just for the purpose of marketing or creating a brand image

 

[Titan24]

I dont think so it’s possible.

Do you think that a person or a group spending some millions of dollars to buy team would be fine to sit out after relegation? How is he going to attract sponsors and achieve profit or even break even on his investment when his team wont even play after relegation?

 

[CricketDon]

This was my email to Najam Sethi in 2018 to which he responded

These business owners become rich through smart investments and business acumen. PSL ain’t a lucrative and smart venture. Especially after risk assessment. Just because they are rich does not mean they have to invest In PSL.

 

[Savak]

These business owners become rich through smart investments and business acumen. PSL ain’t a lucrative and smart venture. Especially after risk assessment. Just because they are rich does not mean they have to invest In PSL.

I guess the current psl franchise owners must be dumb

 

[Shafi]

Immature thread.

You should really study how franchise cricket works.


You cant have teams coming and leaving after 1 season. These are long run investments

Also let me remind you not every owner is fielding a team to win, some are doing so just for the purpose of marketing or creating a brand image

Then how S Butt is selected then ahead of many of the deserving players?

 

[Saj]

Only 6 teams.

How can you have promotion and relegation.

 

[faizanj]

Not relegation but they should definitely not reward the team that finished bottom of the league with a first choice pick in the draft. Very unfair to other teams.

 

[CleverSir]

If I'm paying USD 5 million a year for rights, I am not gonna be pushing for promotion and relegation. I want my team playing in the top league every season. This is a non-starter, and quite frankly won't work in Pakistan.