New Zealand (330/6) defeat Pakistan (252/9) comfortably by 78 runs in the first match of the Tri-Nation ODI series 2025

[Greenstorm]

The real difference is their spin vs our useless ones

Nah the real difference is that we don't have Glenn Philips in late order. We have Tayyab and Khushi.

 

[NeVerMind]

Pakistan should induct amir Jamal and sufyan in place of faheem and khushdil, before it's too late

Time to fake some injuries before the tourney starts and before it is too late ..

 

[jnaveen1980]

If Pakistani bowlers don't bowl well and restrict the opposition to a reasonable total, we are screwed. Pakistani batters lack quality to chase high totals and to accelerate against spinners in the middle overs.

This. People got carried away with recent wins. It was primarily due to bowling. In a battathon scenario the current unit is found wanting. Fakhar is the sole exception.

 

[Markhor]

I've been asking the same question since the squad has been announced... probably the fakest all rounder in the illustrious history of fake all rounders to have played for Pakistan....that's some achievement!

That award goes to Faheem Botham.

Batting avg of 10 and bowling avg of 46. If only those two were reversed.

He infact averages around 100 per wicket if you look at his last 20 ODIs.

A disgusting selection.

 

[Greenstorm]

Pakistan being out of form is generally good for us going into ICC tournaments.

 

[Asif321]

Seems Pakistan is ready for group stage exit in CT . Hopefully bangla tigers won’t beat Pakistan

 

[Mesozoic]

Bracewell, Santner, Philips, Ravindra... NZ are pretty much playing with 15 players.

Surreal depth.

 

[Ahmed216]

This. People got carried away with recent wins. It was primarily due to bowling. In a battathon scenario the current unit is found wanting. Fakhar is the sole exception.

The architect of some of those wins Saim Ayub is also missing

 

[Asad T]

Only 1 batter in the Pak top 5 had a SR of more than 80 in a chase of 331 haha
Literally no fight shown apart from Fakahr

 

[NeVerMind]

That award goes to Faheem Botham.

Batting avg of 10 and bowling avg of 46. If only those two were reversed.

He infact averages around 100 per wicket if you look at his last 20 ODIs.

A disgusting selection.

It's scraping the bottom of a 1000 year old barrel found at the deep end of an ocean...at least Faheem had some good early innings, albeit in Test, that made his name...I have never seen Happy Heart perform in any format! Both need to be chucked out

 

[jnaveen1980]

The architect of some of those wins Saim Ayub is also missing

But those were relatively smallish totals. Fakhar is next level compared to all others.

 

[Greenstorm]

Just watch Dewal brevis putting on a show in the SA20 final lol This match is gone.

Ok Indian.

 

[Greenstorm]

13 req run rate.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Nah the real difference is that we don't have Glenn Philips in late order. We have Tayyab and Khushi.

Even spin is an issue either you accept it or not.

They've played them horrendously.

 

[Ahmed216]

But those were relatively smallish totals. Fakhar is next level compared to all others.

Saim scored a hundred in Joburg too with Pak posting 308

 

[BlindingLight]

Pakistan being out of form is generally good for us going into ICC tournaments.

They were out of form prior to 23 World Cup and got toasted

 

[mominsaigol]

only 1 batter in the top 5 had a sr of 100+ in a chase of 330 haha
literally no fight

As I said, Fakhar is half the side, the other half is saim.

People overrated those aus and sa tours.

Aus even at full strength were more concerned with BGT at the time. Sa was a good tour tbf.

Pakistan just doesn't know how to win in home condtions, The only reason we won NZ tour last year was because of fakhar otherwise it would have been a 3-2 outcome.

Fakhar and saim are 100% the side.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Half of the ground has left already

 

[Amjid Javed]

Babar, KG, Rizwan batting was utter pathetic. All they had to do was get a single and give fakhar the strike. Instead they just played out dot balls like clueless tail enders

 

[Rana]

Saim scored a hundred in Joburg too with Pak posting 308

Teri bhi tassali ho gayi aaj

 

[Usman Chadda]

330 on this wicket is a chaseable total, the problem stems from the fact that our batting line-up has zero firepower after Fakhar.

 

[Greenstorm]

Even spin is an issue either you accept it or not.

They've played them horrendously.

Yes we played too tentatively. Even Fakhar got out defending.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Fakhar is literally the only Pakistani batter other than Saim Ayub who plays white ball cricket the way it is supposed to be played. Has a big role to play if Pakistan wants to go all the way in CT

 

[Greenstorm]

Seems like Shaheen and Naseem have given up already.

 

[emranabbas]

We are not going to win anything with rizwan and babar in the team trust me they are manhoos for the team

 

[Ahmed216]

330 on this wicket is a chaseable total, the problem stems from the fact that our batting line-up has zero firepower after Fakhar.

30-40 above par I felt and obviously well beyond us

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Fakhar is literally the only Pakistani batter other than Saim Ayub who plays white ball cricket the way it is supposed to be played. Has a big role to play if Pakistan wants to go all the way in CT

He can't carry them anywhere.

He'll get bounced out.

 

[shaz619]

We are not going to win anything with rizwan and babar in the team trust me they are manhoos for the team

Pakistan fans who support them and the toxic regime religiously are in for a rude awakening in their own backyard.

 

[Rana]

We are not going to win anything with rizwan and babar in the team trust me they are manhoos for the team

Jab tak in laantiyo ka Saya iss team per hai*

 

[Asad T]

Seems like Shaheen and Naseem have given up already.

now you might as well play for NRR

 

[Rana]

Wasay and Iffi show tonight is going to be extra special

 

[mominsaigol]

We are not going to win anything with rizwan and babar in the team trust me they are manhoos for the team

I don't get what's the point of Babar opening if he's going to provide us with 10 to 23 scores?

How is that any different from imam or Abdullah?

 

[Deewana Mastana]

We are not going to win anything with rizwan and babar in the team trust me they are manhoos for the team

They're the 2nd coming of Inzi and Miandad for Pakistanis all over the world.

 

[Ahmed216]

Babar, KG, Rizwan batting was utter pathetic. All they had to do was get a single and give fakhar the strike. Instead they just played out dot balls like clueless tail enders

It's a slow surface. Fakhar was running towards the ball to create power .all other darpok players were playing from the crease

 

[Greenstorm]

Fakhar is literally the only Pakistani batter other than Saim Ayub who plays white ball cricket the way it is supposed to be played. Has a big role to play if Pakistan wants to go all the way in CT

This. Apart from Babar and Rizwan, we need to pack our lineup with big hitters but instead, we are playing Tayyab and Kamran types.

 

[Ali Active]

what is khushdil usefull for

 

[FearlessRoar]

Pakistan outclassed by New Zealand in all aspects

 

[emranabbas]

Jab tak in laantiyo ka Saya iss team per hai*

In ko nikalo aur team bachao

People use to say we won't be winning without misbah guess what we won CT17

Take these 2 out we will start winning again

 

[Rana]

Tent Boult, Chapman and Conway to come back into this side for first fixture

 

[jnaveen1980]

Saim scored a hundred in Joburg too with Pak posting 308

I don't think that was a chase. IN a battathon chase they will struggle with current unit without Fakhar firing. Either they are out of form or incapable.

 

[emranabbas]

I don't get what's the point of Babar opening if he's going to provide us with 10 to 23 scores?

How is that any different from imam or Abdullah?

Imam atleast puts price on his wicket

 

[Asif321]

Pakistan need to hurry up chew up their ego and accept we made a mistake with squad . Fix it NOW!

 

[Usman Chadda]

Tent Boult, Chapman and Conway to come back into this side for first fixture

Boult isn’t in the CT squad

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

I expect 2 or 3 knee jerk changes in the squad for CT but the reality is that even then this team will not be able to compete well because the issue is deeper. If you ever look at their practice sessions, you'll understand what it is. Even in the nets the batters don't try to do anything extra, just blocking the balls or playing traditional strokes while taking throwdowns.

 

[NeVerMind]

Imam atleast puts price on his wicket

Rather take a selfish 100 then someone who is struggling to get to double figures

 

[Mohraheem]

Again lots of emotions. Name me a young kid that can bat at 7 ? Ignore chacha at your own risk.

Chahche ko parwa nahi
Chacha bewafa nahi

You’re my new target … I will show you how special Chacha is

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Shaheen and his expression whenever he gets out

 

[Asad T]

Imam atleast puts price on his wicket

i'm Imam also puts a price on the dressing room info he leaks to the media loll

 

[Usman Chadda]

I don't get what's the point of Babar opening if he's going to provide us with 10 to 23 scores?

How is that any different from imam or Abdullah?

Abdullah could have been retained.

Yes he had a shocker in South Africa, but he was alright against Australia.

Too much chopping and changing will lead to more embarrassment.

 

[Rana]

Boult isn’t in the CT squad

Are you sure? I thought they announced his name

 

[Deewana Mastana]

I expect 2 or 3 knee jerk changes in the squad for CT but the reality is that even then this team will not be able to compete well because the issue is deeper. If you ever look at their practice sessions, you'll understand what it is. Even in the nets the batters don't try to do anything extra, just blocking the balls or playing traditional strokes while taking throwdowns.

Because that's what has been inbreded into them.

 

[NeVerMind]

what is khushdil usefull for

I can only think of that he gives the other players a good maalish or sumthing

 

[mominsaigol]

Imam atleast puts price on his wicket

The main issue is no one knows how to loft besides saim and fakhar and saud(spinners only).

Babar, Rizwan, Imam, Abdullah, Agha. None of these boys can loft which makes them useless in odi and t20.

Pakistan should have taken a gamble and chosen haider ali, Mohammad haris and given usman khan this game to play.

Ik it's not ideal as these 3 are tullas but atleast they can loft and wouldn't do any worse then Babar.

Also I agree with @shaz619 now, PCB should have sucked it up and begged imad and Amir to come back.

And experimented qith sajid and noman as well.

 

[emranabbas]

Babar in Test team we were losing

Babar out of Test team we won series vs England

Babar back in Test side we losing again

Ye pakka manhoos hai

 

[Greenstorm]

Imam atleast puts price on his wicket

Imam is taking a step backwards. He is among the slowest openers in world cricket.

 

[Savak]

Captaining and field placings against Pakistani batsmen is the easiest job in the world for an opposition captain and bowler, very predictable, one dimensional hitting zones.

 

[mominsaigol]

Abdullah could have been retained.

Yes he had a shocker in South Africa, but he was alright against Australia.

Too much chopping and changing will lead to more embarrassment.

Any one who gets dismissed for 3 ducks in a row and finishes off their 2024 year with 7 ducks in 15 innings deserves a boot. Theirs no justification to retain him.

Abdullah throughout his career has only shown himself to be a sri lankan basher and we don't play sri lanka in ct nor are we planning to schedule any tests against them in the near future.

 

[Greenstorm]

Babar in Test team we were losing

Babar out of Test team we won series vs England

Babar back in Test side we losing again

Ye pakka manhoos hai

Human beings are not manhoos. Stop being an Indian.

 

[emranabbas]

Imam is taking a step backwards. He is among the slowest openers in world cricket.

We can live with that with fakhar on the other end babar can't go past single digits

 

[Rana]

The main issue is no one knows how to loft besides saim and fakhar and saud(spinners only).

Babar, Rizwan, Imam, Abdullah, Agha. None of these boys can loft which makes them useless in odi and t20.

Pakistan should have taken a gamble and chosen haider ali, Mohammad haris and given usman khan this game to play.

Ik it's not ideal as these 3 are tullas but atleast they can loft and wouldn't do any worse then Babar.

Also I agree with @shaz619 now, PCB should have sucked it up and begged imad and Amir to come back.

And experimented qith sajid and noman as well.

Bro you are making sense for a SENA+ India/West Indies discussion forum.

Apney don’t understand this kind of perspective on cricket.

 

[Mohraheem]

Nah the real difference is that we don't have Glenn Philips in late order. We have Tayyab and Khushi.

Where were you when we had Chacha in middle order and he was not performing ? I doubt u knew cricket back Thn

 

[Rana]

Imam is taking a step backwards. He is among the slowest openers in world cricket.

16 off 26 kind of slow?

 

[emranabbas]

Babar and rizwan responsible for this loss

 

[mominsaigol]

@Rana @shaz619 @emranabbas

The funny thing, Besides you and around 8 to 12 more people who see our view,

Everyone else on this forumn thinks I speaks nonsense .

Mainly because i don't prefer to act like Heddie or Rizwanthet20champ.

 

[Greenstorm]

The main issue is no one knows how to loft besides saim and fakhar and saud(spinners only).

Babar, Rizwan, Imam, Abdullah, Agha. None of these boys can loft which makes them useless in odi and t20.

Pakistan should have taken a gamble and chosen haider ali, Mohammad haris and given usman khan this game to play.

Ik it's not ideal as these 3 are tullas but atleast they can loft and wouldn't do any worse then Babar.

Also I agree with @shaz619 now, PCB should have sucked it up and begged imad and Amir to come back.

And experimented qith sajid and noman as well.

Imad and Amir ? Suttay bazi doesn't win you games.

 

[emranabbas]

@Rana @shaz619 @emranabbas

The funny thing, Besides you and around 8 to 12 more people who see our view,

Everyone else on this forumn thinks I speaks nonsense .

Mainly because i don't prefer to act like Heddie or Rizwanthet20champ.

Regional favoritism most prefere players from KPK due to imran khan

 

[Rana]

@Rana @shaz619 @emranabbas

The funny thing, Besides you and around 8 to 12 more people who see our view,

Everyone else on this forumn thinks I speaks nonsense .

Mainly because i don't prefer to act like Heddie or Rizwanthet20champ.

When I asked @Major what did Abrar do wrong today with the ball,

He said that ‘I don’t understand spin and my cricket views are well known over here’

 

[Greenstorm]

15 req rr.

 

[Rana]

Imad and Amir ? Suttay bazi doesn't win you games.

What does? Not tucking your shirt in like a paindu at captain’s events?

 

[Asad T]

So the specialst spinners today:

Abrar: 10 overs, 41 runs, 2 wickets (eco 4.1)
Michael Bracewell: 10 overs, 41 runs, 2 wickets (eco 4.1)
Mitchell Santner: 10 overs 41 runs, 3 wickets (eco 4.1)

Are selectors are so dumb not having another specialist spinner in the playing XI. I'd rather have someone like Faisal Akram or Sufiyan Muqeem instead of a bits and pieces player like Khushdil

 

[mominsaigol]

Imad and Amir ? Suttay bazi doesn't win you games.

Neither does Fake injuries and selfish drs reviews.

 

[gazza619]

Good opportunity for Abrar & Naseem to get some confidence with the bat

 

[Greenstorm]

Regional favoritism most prefere players from KPK due to imran khan

Rubbish.

 

[Rana]

So the specialst spinners today:

Abrar: 10 overs, 41 runs, 2 wickets (eco 4.1)
Michael Bracewell: 10 overs, 41 runs, 2 wickets (eco 4.1)
Mitchell Santner: 10 overs 41 runs, 3 wickets (eco 4.1)

Are selectors are so dumb not having another specialist spinner in the playing XI. I'd rather have someone like Faisal Akram or Sufiyan Muqeem instead of a bits and pieces player like Khushdil

Sana Mir said they should consider Arafat Minhas.

It’s actually a fair shout, but it’s a big risk

 

[Rana]

Rubbish.

Nothing rubbish about that claim. He is very much telling the truth.

 

[Mohraheem]

When I asked @Major what did Abrar do wrong today with the ball,

He said that ‘I don’t understand spin and my cricket views are well known over here’

Ask him about Misbah now lol he will write a fantasy about him

 

[jnaveen1980]

Several players have 100 strike rate for NZ.

 

[Greenstorm]

Neither does Fake injuries and selfish drs reviews.

Yes two wrongs ....

 

[Greenstorm]

Nothing rubbish about that claim. He is very much telling the truth.

Elaborate

 

[jamie smith]

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