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New Zealand ace bowler Tim Southee retires from Test cricket [Post Updated #121]

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Span	        Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10	
2012-2014	14	26	546.3	120	1555	65	7/64	10/108	23.92	2.84	50.4	3	1

Averages 30 at Home (mostly due to a shoddy performance against the Saffers in a test) and 18 away. Averages 15 in wins. Under both Taylor and McCullum, he averages round about the same. The most notable thing is his staggering average in Asia - 14.9 with a SR of 30.6.

Work with Donald and Bond have done wonders for this man mustsay!
 
With Boult will be a very handy pace attack.

Cricket for the last 5 years has been quite weak outside South Africa but there are a few teams with very promising signs.
 
If Sodhi turns out to be a decent spinner, NZ would have a fine attack. Useful in most conditions.
 
Has improved a lot. Bowls some absolute jaffas as well, the ball to Pujara was unplayable.
 
NZ no longer seem to be punching above their weight, they seem to be building towards a genuinely quality team. I wouldn't be surprised if they're sitting mid-table within the next two years.
 
great stats, been very impressed with wagner too, watching highlights he gives it everything real tryer. add to that the bench strength of all the guys doing well in limited overs cricket and NZ bowling looks great.

ish sodhi on the other hand is crock imo, no control, no brains and little turn, will be mullered home and away. if vettori can revive his career and play a year or two more until nz can find another spinner this is potentially a world class bowling attack in terms of depth and variety.
 
velu said:
his bowling average is as good as jimmy anderson :afridi

he is a handy bat , plays cow corner shots really well
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Let's not get ahead of ourselves now. Jimmeh is better than Steyn lest we forget...
 
Insecure people can't keep Anderson out of a discussion :afridi
 
New Zealand will top the rankings in 3 years time. They have an all round bowling attack which can stake claim to being probably the best in the world IMO.
The batting is a bit shoddy, but once they rectify that (which they will through experience) they'll be a dominant force.
 
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soso_killer said:
New Zealand will top the rankings in 3 years time. They have an all round bowling attack which can stake claim to being probably the best in the world IMO.
The batting is a bit shoddy, but wants they rectify that (which they will through experience) they'll be a dominant force.
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Nah they won't top the rankings.
 
Junaid khan must be seriously underrated if hes averaging 29
Cos southees a beast and he averages 30
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Haz95 said:
Junaid khan must be seriously underrated if hes averaging 29
Cos southees a beast and he averages 30
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Not long ago, Junaid was averaging 25 in Tests and Southee was averaging 47.

South has dropped his average by 17 and Junaid has increased his by 4.

Southee is a more complete bowler than Junaid because he can do the damage with the new and the old ball whereas Junaid is pretty ordinary with the new ball.
 
Mamoon said:
Not long ago, Junaid was averaging 25 in Tests and Southee was averaging 47.



South has dropped his average by 17 and Junaid has increased his by 4.



Southee is a more complete bowler than Junaid because he can do the damage with the new and the old ball whereas Junaid is pretty ordinary with the new ball.
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Juni still learning. He isnt the greatest with the new ball but we have seen his potential in india


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Mamoon said:
Not long ago, Junaid was averaging 25 in Tests and Southee was averaging 47.

South has dropped his average by 17 and Junaid has increased his by 4.

Southee is a more complete bowler than Junaid because he can do the damage with the new and the old ball whereas Junaid is pretty ordinary with the new ball.
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Bas kar !

You do know junaid played 3 tests on mothers of all roads?
His average is terrific if you know how much he plays on dead tracks. Lets compare m when the kiwis come ti the uae.
 
Wagner was a big factor in the win against India. Boult and Southee could relax and bowl full throttle cause Wagner was being the Siddle of the attack. He is not as consistent as Siddle but he is getting there.
 
What are Southee's stats in subcontinent and UAE??

He seems to be a good swing bowler. Not much pace though.
 
Wagner is a lion hearted cricketer if there ever was one. He just charges in and puts everything into every ball.
 
pakistani pride said:
Bas kar !

You do know junaid played 3 tests on mothers of all roads?
His average is terrific if you know how much he plays on dead tracks. Lets compare m when the kiwis come ti the uae.
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Never take mamon posts seriously :D Rafa dafa kara karo
 
Lol i mentioned juni first and I'm officially taking him out as we have mamoon on this thread


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Haz95 said:
Juni still learning. He isnt the greatest with the new ball but we have seen his potential in india


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Yes lets hold onto the India series for the rest of his career.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes lets hold onto the India series for the rest of his career.
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Bro, Did Junaid bully you at school or something? Man you got genuine hate vs a potentially ATG bowler.

On topic: Southee is a genuine wicket taker. NZ pace battery is formidable :hadlee
 
Haz95 said:
People like you hold his performances in CT for the rest of his life


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Only because of the hypocrisy of people holding on to the 3 match series in India when questioned over Junaid's new ball skills.

Three matches shouldn't be sample either way.
 
Mamoon said:
Only because of the hypocrisy of people holding on to the 3 match series in India when questioned over Junaid's new ball skills.



Three matches shouldn't be sample either way.
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Its misbah who never trusted him with it... Mr tanvir was picked ahead of him in opening... Hes been on the wrong side of 100s of people cos hes no :amir


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As soon as someone praised Junaid Mamoon had to come in and burst their bubble for a guy who can't bowl with the new ball and plays mostly on roads he isn't bad at all people say CT proves he's a rubbish new ball bowler bowlers need time to adapt to conditions too look at Pujara he struggled on his first SA tour but was excellent in the second tour

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lilFlip said:
Bro, Did Junaid bully you at school or something? Man you got genuine hate vs a potentially ATG bowler.



On topic: Southee is a genuine wicket taker. NZ pace battery is formidable :hadlee
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Lol must of been bullying
And juni just needs to learn how to use helpful conditions like :asif does

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Haz95 said:
Its misbah who never trusted him with it... Mr tanvir was picked ahead of him in opening... Hes been on the wrong side of 100s of people cos hes no :amir


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He has been relegated by Misbah because of wasting the new ball.

Tanvir is better than Junaid with a new ball. More threatening and gets conventional swing but once the ball loses its shine, he becomes a liability.
 
For a while iv thought this lad looks good, those stats are world beater stats ! N/Z got a very good opening pair with Boult at the other end. N/Z looking strong in so many ways !

Great Country for churning out talent in multiple sports !!
 
It is about time he started coming good.

In the under 19 world cup he was in (which contained players like Kohli) he was player of the series.
 
Mamoon said:
He has been relegated by Misbah because of wasting the new ball.

Tanvir is better than Junaid with a new ball. More threatening and gets conventional swing but once the ball loses its shine, he becomes a liability.
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Yes we clearly saw how Tanvir was opening in the SL series. Umar Gul who you ridicule was miles ahead of Tanvir opening and that was the reason SL couldn't get back into any of the games they lost. And Juni is ahead of Gul too. Mamoon, there has to be personal hate for juni if you can't deny the fact that he's talented, new ball or not..
 
Gul is better with new ball then Junaid. Infact Gul now is our best new ball bowler, which should tell you how far down Pak have fallen. Likes of Irfan and Junaid are not good enough.
 
NZ bowling has been class for sometime. Southee has always been a good bowler.
 
kinventor said:
Gul is better with new ball then Junaid. Infact Gul now is our best new ball bowler, which should tell you how far down Pak have fallen. Likes of Irfan and Junaid are not good enough.
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This is why we are saying bring in Sadaf Hussain or Ehsan Adil
 
kinventor said:
Gul is better with new ball then Junaid. Infact Gul now is our best new ball bowler, which should tell you how far down Pak have fallen. Likes of Irfan and Junaid are not good enough.
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since you are talking about gul ill assume you are talking about odis, so on what scale is irfan not good enough as a new ball bowler considering hes played most of his cricket against SA (arguably best players of pace and bounce) and has good stats, in most cases with the new ball.

apart from one bad series in zim, cant really fault chhotu imo.
 
ElRaja said:
since you are talking about gul ill assume you are talking about odis, so on what scale is irfan not good enough as a new ball bowler considering hes played most of his cricket against SA (arguably best players of pace and bounce) and has good stats, in most cases with the new ball.

apart from one bad series in zim, cant really fault chhotu imo.
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Im talking about tests, i never talk about odis. We are good enough, probably on very top in odi bowling. Gul has ability to move ball both ways, not consistanly at will like Asif but its there.
 
I reckon Southee has one of the better bouncers going around currently. Not super quick but always well directed. Got Kohli with it in the first Innings.
 
This NZ pace attack especially Boult and Southee are very skilled and should go on to have excellent careers, they can be the heir to the two W's, the two T's even though it is early days for them.
 
This NZ pace attack is full of promise I Rank them 3rd after SA and AUS all NZ need to do is find two test quality openers and a solid Test No5 McCullum coming in at 5 In Tests is too high IMO and they can become a top team
 
Didn't Southee take a 5fer and hit 70 odd in his debut vs England when he was only 18/19? Always had a ton of talent, I remember his smashing a T20 50 for Essex as well a few seasons back.
 
Southee is a bowler which i remember seeing in the Pak-Nz tour and he bowled well but of course as kiwis are our whipping boys so he got bashed all around the park. Dont follow Kiwi cricket much. Would like to see more of them.
 
Mamoon said:
Comfortably the best young pacer around.
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lmao :))) what happened to Boult man, wasn't it Boult who you labelled the best? I'm not sure if BK and Shami were apart of this too or they were the best in the SC.
Southee isn't a young pacer, he's pretty established now.
 
Haz95 said:
lmao :))) what happened to Boult man, wasn't it Boult who you labelled the best? I'm not sure if BK and Shami were apart of this too or they were the best in the SC.
Southee isn't a young pacer, he's pretty established now.
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Young in terms of age. I use the term upcoming for the likes of Boult, Shami, BK and Junaid. Southee is young but not upcoming because he has been around for a long time.
 
Southee is my favorite bowler from New Zealand. He is like the new Shane Bond for them. If I had a New Zealand dream team. I would have liked to have Southee and Shane bond as bowling partners.
 
Mamoon said:
Young in terms of age. I use the term upcoming for the likes of Boult, Shami, BK and Junaid. Southee is young but not upcoming because he has been around for a long time.
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touche lol- Technically then his competition should be Vernon Philander since he debuted after Southee and they're both established..outta the two, its a hard one since Southee has knack for taking the pitch out of the equation while Philander has been brutal.
 
Southee looks like he has potential to be a top bowler. Donr rate Boult that much but Southee does look the best out of the young guns.

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Haz95 said:
touche lol- Technically then his competition should be Vernon Philander since he debuted after Southee and they're both established..outta the two, its a hard one since Southee has knack for taking the pitch out of the equation while Philander has been brutal.
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Southee is young, just 25.

Not a fan of that South African trundler.
 
Zohaib Shah said:
Southee is my favorite bowler from New Zealand. He is like the new Shane Bond for them. If I had a New Zealand dream team. I would have liked to have Southee and Shane bond as bowling partners.
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Completely different bowlers though. I think Boult will be a better bowler than Southee and carry the attack for them. Has that knack of producing special deliveries while Southee, in the long run, will be more of a workhorse. Reliable and solid, but forgettable. NZ have a really good fast bowling pair. Don't rate the other pacers that they have although they have been among the wickets as well.
 
Mamoon said:
Southee is young, just 25.

Not a fan of that South African trundler.
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Vernon is a few years older, big whoop man...its a good comparison imo. Vernon is too underrated on PP, he's the only guy who's displayed feats of a genuine allrounder in this era(barring Kallusss).
 
He's bowling beautifully ... I liked him when he started playing but didn't make an instant impact but seems to have matured in the last few years.
 
Still recall that 7-fer he took at Bangalore, think that's the same BBM represented above in the OP.
 
Outbowled Boult by some margin in this Test. I still think Boult is a better prospect as he has the pace that could make the difference in less helpful conditions.
 
Tim Southee has been excellent for the last 3 years....close to 100 wickets in last 20 Tests ....
 
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