What's new

New Zealand v Pakistan | 1st Test | Mount Maunganui | 26-30 December, 2020 | Pre-game thread

Status
Not open for further replies.

AliMurtaza

Debutant
Joined
Aug 5, 2014
Runs
159
Post of the Week
1
So now that Babar is doubtful for first test and may miss both matches, who do you play in place of him?

If I were Misbah, I’d give Haider a chance at 4 followed by Haris and Fawad. They have been carrying him and Abdullah with the limited overs side since the Zimbabwe tour and haven’t given either of them any opportunity to play either Quaid trophy or the Shaheen 4-day match to prove their test match credentials. Still I believe this is the right time to blood Haider in an ageing test middle order.

They may think about Faheem and Shadab combo at 6 and 7 with Shadab replacing Yasir but with Shadab’s fitness issues, I don’t see him playing tests. And without Shadab, Faheem cannot play purely as an all rounder.

Another potential option is to make Azhar open instead of Abid Ali and give two of Haider, Talat, and Imran Butt a debut. But I don’t see that happening. Abid will at least play the first test.
 
The openers not scoring runs is huge concern add to that Azhar being a walking wicket away from home and pakistan could be looking at single figure team humilation just like india today.
 
The openers not scoring runs is huge concern add to that Azhar being a walking wicket away from home and pakistan could be looking at single figure team humilation just like india today.

It all depends on Babar Azam. Unfortunately, others are either finished or are too new to really perform.

Plus, NZ bowling attack is very very tough to face in these conditions. Hopefully we win tosses and put on decent totals. Babar and someone else from top order must score tons.
 
Our test record in New Zealand is woeful, so to get away with as less embarrassment as possible would be good
 
Our test record in New Zealand is woeful, so to get away with as less embarrassment as possible would be good

Lol, what ? Pakistan have won 7 test series in New Zealand. Out of all the other teams, only England have won more series in New Zealand than Pakistan. Some woeful record, lol.
 
As long as they score more than 36 I'll be happy :P
 
If Babar is missing for the entire tour, then I might consider the two following lineups:

Option #1:
Shan Masood
Abid Ali
Azhar Ali
Hussain Talat
Fawad Alam
Haris Sohail
Mohammad Rizwan
Shadab Khan/Faheem Ashraf
Amad Butt
Mohammad Abbas
Shaheen Shah Afridi

This option is a bit of a gamble, because there would be no express pacer in the lineup. I've benched Naseem in this lineup because he has not given any good international performance outside Asia, and I don't think that he would be particularly effective in New Zealand.

In this lineup, we have batting until 9, which could be extremely useful if there was a top-order collapse. There are plenty of bowling options, 7 to be precise. However, spin is not very effective in New Zealand, so what could also be done is that Shadab is replaced with Faheem Ashraf, and both him and Amad Butt are played.

Option #2:
Shan Masood
Abid Ali
Imam-ul-Haq
Azhar Ali
Haris Sohail
Fawad Alam
Mohammad Rizwan
Faheem Ashraf/Amad Butt
Mohammad Abbas
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Naseem Shah

This option gives a more recognized batsman in Imam-ul-Haq, though his performances in test matches have been poor. The reason he slots in at no.3 is because if an opener gets out early, he has the ability to negotiate with the new ball. Azhar Ali plays at 4 when the ball is most likely softer, and he needs to get quick runs and negotiate the second new ball when the time comes.

The bowling has more variety with an express pacer in Naseem, left-arm angle of Shaheen, the accuracy of Abbas, and the all-round versatility of Faheem Ashraf/Amad Butt. There are also some decent number of overs of left-arm spin which can be given by Fawad Alam and Haris Sohail.

Looking at both options, I think that we should start the series with Option #2, as it is the most logical one. We could then make appropriate changes if Naseem is still ineffective, as I think that this series should be the last one for him.

Moving on, we need a good right-arm fast bowler, preferably Hasan Ali, who is both useful with the new ball and the old ball. This is the only way that our fast-bowling attack can become more potent.
 
Will Babar Azam play the test series or not? The only batsman from Pakistan I would like to watch. It’s such a shame if he doesn’t!
 
Need to go with a very deep batting line-up and hope that Abbas and Shaheen manage to perform. Ammad Butt makes my 11 if he performs in the second innings of the Shaheens match. Babar missing the matches means that we are two batsmen short instead of one so we cannot go in with a typical 7-4 all one-dimensional players combination.

1. Shan
2. Azhar
3. Haris
4. Fawad
5. Rizwan
6. Rohail/Haider/Talat
7. Rohail/Haider/Talat
8. Shadab
9. Butt
a. Abbas
b. Shaheen

Talat gives you the added security of the fourth seamer if there's a need. I've seen Butt bowl and I feel his way of hitting the pitch hard gives him the ability to extract something from the pitch and he is also capable to add some runs from the lower order. Shadab plays because we need a player with the ability to counterattack if there's a need and also as a spinner. He's not the best bowler but his utility in the field and batting gives him the edge over Shah.

Fawad and Azhar can play their typical stodgy style where they try to tire the bowling attack. Abid doesn't bowl, is a terrible fielder, and looks out of form so there's no point in playing him. West Indies showed that if you take the innings deep, there's a chance to score but for that to happen the top order has to play out the initial burst.

Haris must bowl as well as his bowling is underrated. I don't think that it's time for Haider to be debuted but he's the only player who can hit out if there's a need. How he plays in the next two T20's could be the deciding factor for him.

I know this combination has three debutants in the mix but this is a team selected on potential and ability instead of experience.

I do, however, believe that Misbah will go with something like this

1. Abid
2. Shan
3. Azhar
4. Haris
5. Fawad
6. Rizwan
7. (debutant) - Probably Butt and he'd bat at 3/4 and everyone would move a position down
8. Yasir
9. Abbas
a. Sohail/Naseem
b. Shaheen
 
According to my sources, they’re actually calling up Asad Shafiq as a replacement for Babar Azam.
 
Sources saying Babar Azam is a doubt for this first Test, that he'll struggle to gain full match fitness in time.
 
The openers not scoring runs is huge concern add to that Azhar being a walking wicket away from home and pakistan could be looking at single figure team humilation just like india today.

I’m a little concerned for Abid but Shan deserves a pass. I think I’m going to be vocal and say that a lot of our batsmen haven’t had much practise and so don’t deserve too much scrutiny for the shortcomings in the ongoing practise match.

Imran Butt opens so I reckon if Abid doesn’t perform after the first test then you can argue his dropping is perhaps justified.

I don’t reckon we’ll get humiliated InshAllah, I reckon both Fawad and Rohail showed that if you can play out the ball for sometime then it becomes easier to play the ball as is typical with the Kookaburra.

My first test team

1. Abid Ali (If he fails then Imran Butt to replace)
2. Shan Masood
3. Babar Azam
4. Azhar Ali
5. Fawad Alam
6. Haris Sohail
7. Muhammad Rizwan
8. Yasir Shah
9. Shaheen Afridi
10. Muhammad Abbas
11. Sohail Khan
 
Be really investing to see if they do with Rizwan or Nazir. Perhaps both, and replace the dead weight Abid Ali
 
Looking like Pakistan are going to be absolutely embarrassed in the Test matches. Probably no Babar and the rest of the lineup is vomit worthy. Looking at the A team, it doesn't even seem like they are going to have Haris in the lineup which seems hilarious.

It won't happen but their best bet is to have Azhar open since the openers are always the biggest weaknesses and since Azhar will be included in the lineup anyways, it's at least better to have him as a walking wicket at the opening position than at the 3 spot.

Shan/Azhar/Haris/Babar(hopefully)/Fawad/Butt/Rizwan/Yasir/Shaheen/Abbas/Naseem. I don't see them winning the match but at least it's not a 150 all out lineup.
 
Looking like Pakistan are going to be absolutely embarrassed in the Test matches. Probably no Babar and the rest of the lineup is vomit worthy. Looking at the A team, it doesn't even seem like they are going to have Haris in the lineup which seems hilarious.

It won't happen but their best bet is to have Azhar open since the openers are always the biggest weaknesses and since Azhar will be included in the lineup anyways, it's at least better to have him as a walking wicket at the opening position than at the 3 spot.

Shan/Azhar/Haris/Babar(hopefully)/Fawad/Butt/Rizwan/Yasir/Shaheen/Abbas/Naseem. I don't see them winning the match but at least it's not a 150 all out lineup.

If they send Azhar as an opener and he gets out early, who will hold the fort? :misbah

IMO Azhar shouldn't open. He will play a 40 SR innings; he should be used to hold one end.

And yeah it is gonna be an embarrassing display of batting. What a time for Babar's injury :facepalm:

About to cause mass hysteria :D
 
If they send Azhar as an opener and he gets out early, who will hold the fort? :misbah

IMO Azhar shouldn't open. He will play a 40 SR innings; he should be used to hold one end.

And yeah it is gonna be an embarrassing display of batting. What a time for Babar's injury :facepalm:

About to cause mass hysteria :D

It's a Test match, a single player playing at 40 SR isn't the end of the world.

It's not like Pakistan will have any hope of getting any runs off a new swinging balls anyways. Best bet is to block as much as you can until you get really set and the ball gets older.
 
My Playing 11 will be :-

1 Shan Masood
2 Azhar Ali
3 Haris Sohail
4 Babar Azam
5 Fawad Alam
6 Mohammad Rizwan
7 Amad Butt
8 Yasir Shah
9 Mohammad Abbas
10 Shaheen Afridi
11 Naseem Shah
 
The squad selection is perhaps our biggest opponent on this tour besides New Zealand. Misbah has shown his certain incompetence with many decisions in the past, but I am hopeful that he will make the right call this time.

Once again, we make the team with the guaranteed starters, of which there are not many in the test team. This is on the basis that Babar Azam is not fit.

Shan Masood
-
-
Azhar Ali
-
-
Mohammad Rizwan
-
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Mohammad Abbas
-

Given that, we have a lot of work to do as a team. The management needs to realize the fact that we have very little to form a team around.

Our second opener has to be capable of playing the long innings. Abid Ali slashes at everything, and I don't see him the best to fill this role. He will surely get out against the likes of Boult and Southee with the new ball. This is why I'd give him the benefit of the doubt in the first match, but if he produces no results, he should be benched for Imran Butt.

At no.3, we desperately need to have another opener. We failed at this against England, and we need to acknowledge that one of our openers will get out very early on. We need someone who is capable of going and opening the batting because against a swinging ball, Azhar Ali is a prime candidate for LBW.

Azhar should slot in at no.4 given that if he is in form, he would be our best batsman. He can rotate strike and score runs, and has enough ability to see off the second new ball if need be.

No. 5 and No. 6 are of particular interest. We have a very long list of left handers in Hussain Talat, Haris Sohail, Fawad Alam, and all the associated likes. Our no.5 should be someone who is competent against spin and pace alike. Given that New Zealand pitches don't spin much, it would be fair to give that to Fawad Alam and leave Haris Sohail at 6.

Rizwan slots in at 7, leaving position 8 and 11 available. In NZ vs WI series, Roston Chase was taken apart very badly, and I think it's a sign that we don't need a spinner. We have the part time spin of Haris Sohail and Fawad Alam if needed, so we should slot in pace bowlers.

At no.8 and no.9, I think that the duo of Faheem Ashraf and Amad Butt should be played. Amad picked up 6 wickets in the practice match, so he's in pretty good touch. Faheem has been good in adjusting to the pitches for T20I, but I know that it's a different ball game, so I would also consider playing Naseem Shah, only if our management sees the potential in him and gives him an aggressive role to bowl bouncers and target the stumps. It is impossible to expect him to bowl consistently on the off stump, so might as well let him have some fun if he's bowling 90 mph.

The final XI should look like:

Shan Masood
Abid Ali
Imam-Ul-Haq
Azhar Ali
Fawad Alam
Haris Sohail
Mohammad Rizwan
Amad Butt
Faheem Ashraf/Naseem Shah
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Mohammad Abbas

We have a solid depth of our batting and a back-up plan if one of our openers ends up back in the hut. There is a little compromise on the bowling if we don't play Naseem, but we need to have 4 pacers in SENA to actually compete. Playing Yasir Shah would be a very big mistake over here, and it is unlikely that he will get any wickets. The likes of Williamson will dismantle any half-tracker or mis-indended deliveries he throws.
 
I don’t like the benefit of doubt idea for Abid. Analyzing his game, we see he is front foot dominant and will be exposed against the world class New Zealand bowling lineup who will push him onto the backfoot. However, we quite literally have zero other options.

Also, Imam also has a fractured thumb. And Haris doesn’t seem to be fit. If he is, then he hasn’t had match practice in years. That opens about 3 spots in our Test lineup (!!!) which will have to go to debutants.

This is my predicted XI:

1. Shan Masood
2. Abid Ali
3. Azhar Ali
4. Imran Butt (debut)
5. Fawad Alam
6. Rohail Nazir (debut)
7. Mohammad Rizwan (wk) & (c)
8. Amad Butt (debut)
9. Shaheen Afridi
10. Mohammad Abbas
11. Naseem Shah

If I am sure of anything right now, it is that Rohail is about to get a debut after that century in the practice game. There’s too many holes in the lineup with Babar, Imam, Haris, and technically speaking Asad Shafiq missing.

Mark this post.
 
Last edited:
Looks like even worse thrashing waiting us in tests.

Not feeling good after these T20 loses we were suppose to have better chance in T20s.

Only miracle spell of fast bowling can save us.

Remember one by Sami and one by Akhtar in 2000s
 
Tests in New Zealand are bang in the middle of the night for me and I have taken off from work for the first test.

This is something that I'm looking forward to and InshAllah it will be an amazing match.

Also, still need to know who was the person sending throwdowns that have resulted in Babar having a thumb fracture. Name and shame, please.
 
Given the mediocrity we have. I would want babar to play even if he can practice few hours before the test
 
Babar is mighty important. Him at 4 and Sohail at 5 are our only chances to win the test series.
 
Babar is mighty important. Him at 4 and Sohail at 5 are our only chances to win the test series.

I don't think Pakistan are capable of winning tests. NZ just are too good at home and our bunch barring babar are mediocre at best. Even to save face Pakistan needs babar. Haris sohail is as mediocre as anyone at present so him playing doent matter
 
Open with Azhar and Shan,
Haris Babar and Fawad at 3 4 5
Rizwan at 6
Shadab at 7
Amad/Fahim at 8
Shaheen, Abbas and Nasim (is there any other 3rd pacer apart from Naseem?)

Or you could play Talat at 6 and have Rizwan and Shadab at 7 and 8.
Talat can still give you 10-15 overs per inning.
 
I don't think Pakistan are capable of winning tests. NZ just are too good at home and our bunch barring babar are mediocre at best. Even to save face Pakistan needs babar. Haris sohail is as mediocre as anyone at present so him playing doent matter

It is going to be mighty difficult.
But if they make bowling wickets we may have a chance in a low scoring affaire.
Babar can score on any wicket that's why he is so important.
His 92 not out in NZ was such a special innings, one of the best played by an Asian batsman on NZ soil.
 
It is going to be mighty difficult.
But if they make bowling wickets we may have a chance in a low scoring affaire.
Babar can score on any wicket that's why he is so important.
His 92 not out in NZ was such a special innings, one of the best played by an Asian batsman on NZ soil.

NZ will prepare WI series type wickets where pitches despite being green are good for batting after first hour on day 1
 
Open with Azhar and Shan,
Haris Babar and Fawad at 3 4 5
Rizwan at 6
Shadab at 7
Amad/Fahim at 8
Shaheen, Abbas and Nasim (is there any other 3rd pacer apart from Naseem?)

Or you could play Talat at 6 and have Rizwan and Shadab at 7 and 8.
Talat can still give you 10-15 overs per inning.

I think they'll play yasir so in that case playing Talat at 6 could be reasonable option
 
Haris Sohail wasn't in the warm up game, and doesn't look like he's played any cricket in the last 2 months (since the Zim T20) - so I doubt he'll play the first test

Rohail will probably play in Babar's spot. Will be interesting too see if they try and fit in Amad after his impressive performance, although I can't imagine either one of Naseem, Abbas or Shaheen not playing
 
I think they'll play yasir so in that case playing Talat at 6 could be reasonable option

Yasir and Shadab won't be much different in terms of their bowling returns in the 2 tests but their batting returns could turn out different. Even though Yasir has a hundred under his belt in Tasman territory, Shadab can produce 30s and 40s more frequently than Yasir.
 
I'd like for them to go with one of these 2 11's:

Shan
Abid
Azhar
Haris
Fawad
Talat
Rizwan
Shadab
Shaheen
Naseem
Abbas

or this:

Shan
Abid
Azhar
Haris
Fawad
Rizwan
Shadab
Amad
Shaheen
Naseem
Abbas

I'd go with the second 11, we'll need 4 genuine pacers in NZ, and I also don't want Talat to debut in NZ, fail, and then get thrown out.
 
Misbah confident:

“It is disappointing to lose the T20I series against a well-settled New Zealand side, who utilised their resources and conditions to their advantage. We need to up skill and improve our individual and team performances, including in Tuesday’s match, and the sooner we get these sorted the better it will be in term of player confidences and team results as 2021 will not be any easier as we have two major events.

“Contrary to the T20I side, the Test side appears to be pretty organised and we boast some experienced cricketers, both in batting and bowling departments. With some competitive cricket on the tour now under the belt, I am hoping we will be a better outfit in the longer version of the game.

“Although it will be nearly two weeks to Babar’s injury when the first Test starts, it will be hard on him and the team to play him without any net sessions. I remain confident and optimistic that other players will rise to the occasion in Mount Maunganui and use the opportunity to rise to the occasion and put the disappointment of the T20I series behind them.”
 
Black Caps test squad named: Coach Gary Stead reveals 'toughest selection'

Black Caps spinner Mitchell Santner has retained his place in the test squad to face Pakistan despite Ajaz Patel being fit enough to play.

In a clear indication the selectors are not comfortable with Kyle Jamieson being given all-rounder status, Santner has got the nod over Patel on the back of his superior batting.
In a squad low on intrigue due to recent success, the only question mark was over the spin-bowling slot.

"The toughest squad selection was clearly around the spinner," said coach Gary Stead.

"That basically came down to the balance of the side and with the four-strong pace attack going so nicely we wanted to have a spinning allrounder as an option for that No 7 position.

"It's really unfortunate for Ajaz, who has overcome his calf injury, but the all-round ability of Santner is our preferred option for this series. The fact Ajaz hasn't been able to have any game-time in the lead-up was also a concern."

Santner's preferred status raises the possibility he will sneak into the all-rounder's role ahead of incumbent Daryl Mitchell for the Bay Oval Boxing Day test. While a fifth bowler has barely been needed this summer thanks to the rule of Tim Southee, Trent Boult, Neil Wagner and Jamieson, the Mt Maunganui pitch might need something a bit different.

Last summer he picked up three vital second-innings wickets when New Zealand defeated England at the ground. He also scored his only test century in the same match.

The only other decision management will have to make is whether Will Young keeps his place in the XI, though it is unlikely he has done enough to tip Tom Blundell out given that he is not a natural opener.

New Zealand were handed a boost with the unavailability of Babar Azam and
Imam-ul-Haq. The pair are yet to recover from their thumb injuries. Mohammad Rizwan will lead the side in Azam's absence. It is a blow for the neutral however as the classy Azam is one of the easiest batsmen on the eye in cricket today.

New Zealand enters the series chasing a 2-0 victory that will keep them in the hunt for a World Test Championship final at Lord's in June, a quest that has gained impetus with India's heavy defeat in their first test against Australia.

Our rise through the test rankings is a great achievement, but we know the challenge is now to back that up against a quality Pakistan side," Stead said.

Pakistan will surely offer more resistance than a West Indian team that looked as if it had forgotten how to play test cricket.

Although the formats remain poles apart, Pakistan's seamers have showed enough during the T20 series to suggest that if they win the toss on a green top — as the Windies did at Hamilton and Wellington — they will not similarly waste conditions.

They will need to if they are to put a stick through this New Zealand team's spokes.

Since they lost to South Africa in Wellington in March 2017, the test team have been on home roll unprecedented in New Zealand cricket history. In the 15 matches since, they have won 11 and drawn four.

Included in the tallies are traditional heavyweights England and India, so it hasn't all been bullying minnows. Pakistan are, like New Zealand, considered somewhere between a giant and a minnow.

Where New Zealand's good and bad times tend to be cyclical, Pakistan's can occur within the space of a series.

NZ Squad:
Kane Williamson (c), Tom Blundell, Trent Boult, Kyle Jamieson, Tom Latham, Daryl Mitchell, Henry Nicholls, Mitchell Santner, Tim Southee, Ross Taylor, Neil Wagner, BJ Watling, Will Young.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/bl...oughest-selection/BCTKHG6AI7RJ26HY6FM4U27HHU/
 
Black Caps test squad named: Coach Gary Stead reveals 'toughest selection'

Black Caps spinner Mitchell Santner has retained his place in the test squad to face Pakistan despite Ajaz Patel being fit enough to play.

In a clear indication the selectors are not comfortable with Kyle Jamieson being given all-rounder status, Santner has got the nod over Patel on the back of his superior batting.
In a squad low on intrigue due to recent success, the only question mark was over the spin-bowling slot.

"The toughest squad selection was clearly around the spinner," said coach Gary Stead.

"That basically came down to the balance of the side and with the four-strong pace attack going so nicely we wanted to have a spinning allrounder as an option for that No 7 position.

"It's really unfortunate for Ajaz, who has overcome his calf injury, but the all-round ability of Santner is our preferred option for this series. The fact Ajaz hasn't been able to have any game-time in the lead-up was also a concern."

Santner's preferred status raises the possibility he will sneak into the all-rounder's role ahead of incumbent Daryl Mitchell for the Bay Oval Boxing Day test. While a fifth bowler has barely been needed this summer thanks to the rule of Tim Southee, Trent Boult, Neil Wagner and Jamieson, the Mt Maunganui pitch might need something a bit different.

Last summer he picked up three vital second-innings wickets when New Zealand defeated England at the ground. He also scored his only test century in the same match.

The only other decision management will have to make is whether Will Young keeps his place in the XI, though it is unlikely he has done enough to tip Tom Blundell out given that he is not a natural opener.

New Zealand were handed a boost with the unavailability of Babar Azam and
Imam-ul-Haq. The pair are yet to recover from their thumb injuries. Mohammad Rizwan will lead the side in Azam's absence. It is a blow for the neutral however as the classy Azam is one of the easiest batsmen on the eye in cricket today.

New Zealand enters the series chasing a 2-0 victory that will keep them in the hunt for a World Test Championship final at Lord's in June, a quest that has gained impetus with India's heavy defeat in their first test against Australia.

Our rise through the test rankings is a great achievement, but we know the challenge is now to back that up against a quality Pakistan side," Stead said.

Pakistan will surely offer more resistance than a West Indian team that looked as if it had forgotten how to play test cricket.

Although the formats remain poles apart, Pakistan's seamers have showed enough during the T20 series to suggest that if they win the toss on a green top — as the Windies did at Hamilton and Wellington — they will not similarly waste conditions.

They will need to if they are to put a stick through this New Zealand team's spokes.

Since they lost to South Africa in Wellington in March 2017, the test team have been on home roll unprecedented in New Zealand cricket history. In the 15 matches since, they have won 11 and drawn four.

Included in the tallies are traditional heavyweights England and India, so it hasn't all been bullying minnows. Pakistan are, like New Zealand, considered somewhere between a giant and a minnow.

Where New Zealand's good and bad times tend to be cyclical, Pakistan's can occur within the space of a series.

NZ Squad:
Kane Williamson (c), Tom Blundell, Trent Boult, Kyle Jamieson, Tom Latham, Daryl Mitchell, Henry Nicholls, Mitchell Santner, Tim Southee, Ross Taylor, Neil Wagner, BJ Watling, Will Young.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/bl...oughest-selection/BCTKHG6AI7RJ26HY6FM4U27HHU/
 
Shan
Abid
Azhar
Harris
Fawad
Rizwan
Shadab
Faheem/Amad/Talat (Ill go with Talat if his bowling is in decent shape because he is the best batsman)
Abbas
Shaheen
Naseem

Batting till 8 and 5 bowlers . .

I can bet my bottom dollar though, Misbah isn't thinking along these lines . .
Misbah will play a highly imaginative:

Shan
Abid
Azhar
Harris
Fawad
Imran Butt or someone
Rizwan
Yasir
Abbas
Shaheen
Naseem
 
Playing 11 will be,

01. Abid Ali
02. Shan Masood
03. Azhar Ali
04. Imran Butt
05. Fawad Alam
06. Mohammad Rizwan (c & wk)
07. Fahim Ashraf
08. Yasir Shah
09. Shaheen Afridi
10. Mohammad Abas
11. Naseem Shah
 
1. Shan
2. Abid
3. Azhar
4. Haris
5. Fawad
6. Rizwan
7. Faheem
8. Yasir
9. Shaheen
10. Abbas
11. Naseem

Playing with the extra bowler would be much better than playing the extra batsman.
 
1. Shan
2. Abid
3. Azhar
4. Haris
5. Fawad
6. Rizwan
7. Faheem
8. Yasir
9. Shaheen
10. Abbas
11. Naseem

Playing with the extra bowler would be much better than playing the extra batsman.

The 2 names that are currently concerning for me are Abid Ali and Haris Sohail. Abid Ali if you saw his recent photo in the practise game looks to have gained weight and just looks in awful shape, it's one thing not being in good nick and but letting yourself go just makes things worse in my view. Haris Sohail didn't play the practise game and it's concerning as to what form he'll be in given he opted out of the England series due to security concerns.
 
With all the struggles Pak has had with batting, I hope they are not thinking about 5 bowlers
 
With all the struggles Pak has had with batting, I hope they are not thinking about 5 bowlers
Dont think the extra batsman has ever helped. We could play some allrounders to extend the tail a bit.

I would go with 5 bowlers.
 
well that's not really a sound argument in my opinion. I rather have batsman at 6 and rizwan at 7.
Your suggestion would be fine, if we had an allrounder who could bat, however the options we have are either Faheem or Shadab, both of them, truth be told, should be no where near the test team.
 
The 2 names that are currently concerning for me are Abid Ali and Haris Sohail. Abid Ali if you saw his recent photo in the practise game looks to have gained weight and just looks in awful shape, it's one thing not being in good nick and but letting yourself go just makes things worse in my view. Haris Sohail didn't play the practise game and it's concerning as to what form he'll be in given he opted out of the England series due to security concerns.

Its the best team based on the squad that was announced. Sohail Khan is an absolute no and I have no idea why he is even here in the first place. Meanwhile Imran Butt has yet to make his test debut and failed to impress in the practice match either.
 
Its the best team based on the squad that was announced. Sohail Khan is an absolute no and I have no idea why he is even here in the first place. Meanwhile Imran Butt has yet to make his test debut and failed to impress in the practice match either.

I'd like to give these guys the benefit of the doubt in particular the batsmen who haven't had much match practise due to isolation.

I mean talking of Imran Butt he's an opener as oppose to a middle order batsman but i reckon if he fails this might bring about the selection of Saud Shakeel in the upcoming home series so who knows if it's a blessing in disguise. However, without being harsh Imran Butt has had some recent good form in the last 2 seasons of QeA so his selection is justified, we can't expect him to hit the ground running straight away his innings of 27 wasn't bad and he had some good looking strokes from what i saw.
 
I’d go with this XI for the first Test:

1.Shan Masood
2.Abid Ali
3.Azhar Ali
4.Haris Sohail
5.Fawad Alam
6.Mohammad Rizwan
7.Shadab Khan
8.Faheem Ashraf
9.Mohammad Abbas
10.Shaheen Afridi
11.Naseem Shah
 
I’d go with this XI for the first Test:

1.Shan Masood
2.Abid Ali
3.Azhar Ali
4.Haris Sohail
5.Fawad Alam
6.Mohammad Rizwan
7.Shadab Khan
8.Faheem Ashraf
9.Mohammad Abbas
10.Shaheen Afridi
11.Naseem Shah

This side looks good. Although I haveno confidence in Abid Ali or even Haris Sohail. Might be worth giving Rohail a go.

Haider Ali's technique is not great.
 
Incredible. Yet again we are at that stage where our management are keen to ensure that there is no semblance of doubt regarding the result even before the toss is held.

Cannot imagine any other international side continue to jeopardise its own progress with simple selection blunders. That neither Ammad B nor Rohail N are part or the 17 is... well, neither amazing nor surprising. Hope this is Misbah’s last series and Waqar’s too.

Imam and Babar’s exclusion notwithstanding (both of whom I would want to play in this), don’t see how Yasir or Shadab fit into this.

4 pacers are fine if Haris*, Fawad, Azhar and Shan can chip in with the ball and bowl c. 15 overs between them.

Guess we have no option but to let SM and AA open. Prefer for Azhar to be No. 4 instead of No. 3. Either of Haris* or Imran Butt can take No.3 - especially if Imran is an opener in FC. Fawad plays at 5 I guess. Does Imran Butt bowl at all (i.e. if he plays and Haris does not, can we bowl as many as we would get out of Haris?).

Haris/Butt
Azhar
Fawad
Rizwan
Faheem (can’t believe I am typing this) / Talat (did he play the Shaheen’s game?)
Sohail (as above, can’t believe Ammad not playing)
SSA
Naseem (will need to bowl areas)
Abbas

This assumes we go with 4 pacers and an all-rounder at 7. However, if Haris* plays then we can go with 4 pacers and 6 batsmen + WK.
 
This side looks good. Although I haveno confidence in Abid Ali or even Haris Sohail. Might be worth giving Rohail a go.

Haider Ali's technique is not great.

None of our batsmen possess the technique to score runs in SENA.

As a matter of fact, except Kohli, Pujara and Babar not many outsiders are worth much in SENA. So that's that.

It's all about hardwork and sticking in there. Like Shan Masood and Azhar Ali do.

Fingers crossed, hoping against hope for a highly unlikely Pakistani win.
 
Incredible. Yet again we are at that stage where our management are keen to ensure that there is no semblance of doubt regarding the result even before the toss is held.

Cannot imagine any other international side continue to jeopardise its own progress with simple selection blunders. That neither Ammad B nor Rohail N are part or the 17 is... well, neither amazing nor surprising. Hope this is Misbah’s last series and Waqar’s too.

Imam and Babar’s exclusion notwithstanding (both of whom I would want to play in this), don’t see how Yasir or Shadab fit into this.

4 pacers are fine if Haris*, Fawad, Azhar and Shan can chip in with the ball and bowl c. 15 overs between them.

Guess we have no option but to let SM and AA open. Prefer for Azhar to be No. 4 instead of No. 3. Either of Haris* or Imran Butt can take No.3 - especially if Imran is an opener in FC. Fawad plays at 5 I guess. Does Imran Butt bowl at all (i.e. if he plays and Haris does not, can we bowl as many as we would get out of Haris?).

Haris/Butt
Azhar
Fawad
Rizwan
Faheem (can’t believe I am typing this) / Talat (did he play the Shaheen’s game?)
Sohail (as above, can’t believe Ammad not playing)
SSA
Naseem (will need to bowl areas)
Abbas

This assumes we go with 4 pacers and an all-rounder at 7. However, if Haris* plays then we can go with 4 pacers and 6 batsmen + WK.

Edit: Just saw HT isn’t in the squad either, lol. Ignore the comparison point between FA and HT.
 
I'd like to give these guys the benefit of the doubt in particular the batsmen who haven't had much match practise due to isolation.

I mean talking of Imran Butt he's an opener as oppose to a middle order batsman but i reckon if he fails this might bring about the selection of Saud Shakeel in the upcoming home series so who knows if it's a blessing in disguise. However, without being harsh Imran Butt has had some recent good form in the last 2 seasons of QeA so his selection is justified, we can't expect him to hit the ground running straight away his innings of 27 wasn't bad and he had some good looking strokes from what i saw.

Exactly. Which is why New Zealand is not the best place for him to debut. If he fails, its highly likely he will be forgotten and never bothered with again.
 
I’d go with this XI for the first Test:

1.Shan Masood
2.Abid Ali
3.Azhar Ali
4.Haris Sohail
5.Fawad Alam
6.Mohammad Rizwan
7.Shadab Khan
8.Faheem Ashraf
9.Mohammad Abbas
10.Shaheen Afridi
11.Naseem Shah

Shadab has been ruled out for the first test i belive
 
Exactly. Which is why New Zealand is not the best place for him to debut. If he fails, its highly likely he will be forgotten and never bothered with again.

Well Abid Ali hasn't looked the best so even if Imran fails they might come out and say oh Imran's an opener by nature, so we want to trial him in the next series as an opener which might give them a reason to boot Abid.
 
Shadab's out for the first test. So the XI going forward is probably gonna be:

Shan, Abid, Azhar, Haris, Fawad, Imran, Rizwan(c)(wk), Faheem, Shaheen, Sohail/Yasir, Abbas.
 
Bearing in mind injuires i would go with.
4 fast bowler's and 2 part time spinners bowling

Shan
Abid
Azhar
Imran butt
Haris
Fawad
Rizwan
Fahim
Abbas
Shaheen
Naseem
 
Shadab in my eyes isn't exactly test quality so not exactly a big loss, your best bet on this occasion is Faheem unfortunately.

He adds balance to the team even i would go with 4 fast bowlers pluss overs from fawad and haris
 
Shadab's out for the first test. So the XI going forward is probably gonna be:

Shan, Abid, Azhar, Haris, Fawad, Imran, Rizwan(c)(wk), Faheem, Shaheen, Sohail/Yasir, Abbas.

same team as i picked but different positions
 
Looks like NZ have sealed their spot for test championship final as Pakistan's only hope Babar is not playing.:stokes
 
Looks like NZ have sealed their spot for test championship final as Pakistan's only hope Babar is not playing.:stokes

Hate to go out on a limb on this one.

I don't think Babar is as big a loss in tests as we are making it out to be. It may be in due course, but not at the moment.

Yes, a big loss in white ball cricket.
 
Didn’t de Grandhomme get quite a few wickets in the 16/17 series?

That kind of pace with some accuracy can work. If Shan and Azhar can bowl around 15 overs between them and we can get around 8-10 from Haris and Fawad combined, that reduces the burden on 4 pacers.

Obviously do not expect that kind of accuracy from either Shan or Azhar but if the mgmt have half a brain they would ensure these guys practise bowling a bit in the build-up.

This will allow us to play 6 batsmen + WK and 4 pacers.
 
Hate to go out on a limb on this one.

I don't think Babar is as big a loss in tests as we are making it out to be. It may be in due course, but not at the moment.

Yes, a big loss in white ball cricket.

Yep, we need to stop doing this as fans, journalists and management that it's Babar or bust you have to say we have lots of experienced players and they are willing to take the burden. Although regardless of Babar we are a batsmen short as i feel Abid isn't in good nick and Haris is injured so Imran Butt will need to fill the slot.
 
Abid
Azhar
Haris
Fawad
Rohail
Rizwan
Faheem
Yasir
Shaheen
Naseem
Abbas

Azhar to open
Rohail for a debut
Faheem as 4th pacer
Hope Yasir don't leak runs
 
With all the struggles Pak has had with batting, I hope they are not thinking about 5 bowlers

I agree with this. No point having 5 bowlers if we have nothing for them to bowl too.

Even with a 7-4 combo we'll struggle because of our awful tail. Once we're 7 down we can barely hope to add 10-20 runs more.
 
Abid
Azhar
Haris
Fawad
Rohail
Rizwan
Faheem
Yasir
Shaheen
Naseem
Abbas

Azhar to open
Rohail for a debut
Faheem as 4th pacer
Hope Yasir don't leak runs

Faheem at 7 is a really bad idea to me. In an ideal world he's a number 9. Unfortunately there's just not much chance that his ability with the ball outweighs how much he lengthens the tail of an already brittle batting line up.

The only way i play Faheem as a 4th pacer is if we don't play Yasir. And that isn't even worth discussing because nothing can persuade Misbah not to play Yasir.
 
Abid
Azhar
Haris
Fawad
Rohail
Rizwan
Faheem
Yasir
Shaheen
Naseem
Abbas

Azhar to open
Rohail for a debut
Faheem as 4th pacer
Hope Yasir don't leak runs

You would seriously leave out Shan Masood??? Rohail wasn't selected for the test series and besides it's a little too soon for him. Haris Sohail is in a way injured.
 
Faheem at 7 is a really bad idea to me. In an ideal world he's a number 9. Unfortunately there's just not much chance that his ability with the ball outweighs how much he lengthens the tail of an already brittle batting line up.

The only way i play Faheem as a 4th pacer is if we don't play Yasir. And that isn't even worth discussing because nothing can persuade Misbah not to play Yasir.

Yeah. No way Yasir doesn’t play. Probable XI from what I’m seeing is this:

1. Shan Masood
2. Abid Ali
3. Azhar Ali
4. Imran Butt
5. Haris Sohail
6. Fawad Alam
7. Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
8. Yasir Shah
9. Shaheen Afridi
10. Mohammad Abbas
11. Naseem Shah

The only way any other combination comes about is if Haris is unfit or Misbah chooses not to debut Imran Butt, instead giving either Amad or Faheem the go with 5 bowlers and bumping Rizwan to 6.
 
This is the final series before Misbah loses his Chief Selector role.

I fully expect him to do the following:

1. Pick the top five of the batting order entirely of men aged over 30 - even though Rohail Nazir just hit a century in an unofficial Test.

2. Pick Yasir Shah even though with Misbah suspended he was dropped from Pakistan's last Test in New Zealand after in the previous Test - at his peak in 2016-17 when he was a much better bowler than now - he went wicketless (0-61) at Christchurch in a match in which Pakistan's pace bowlers took 12 NZ wickets for 247 runs.

Mohammad Amir 4-45
Sohail Khan 3-99
Rahat Ali 4-86
Yasir Shah 0-61

3. Pick the usual Misbah team with 3 Number 11 batsmen (Abbas, Naseem, Shaheen)
 
The top three is too fragile and Fawad's washed up.

Although, I hope I'm wrong this could be another thrashing.
 
Pakistan Test squad practicing ahead of the series against New Zealand

f1f0c182-3d81-4d5b-ae0e-f617d2cd01e0.jpg1c41138f-f76b-4ef9-9e80-d6a48854e282.jpg8a5f39d6-faf9-4b52-8da7-8a8c4c9a32fe.jpgdcd4e8a6-3fa4-48d8-950e-357837124515.jpg7f473b38-88a0-4a98-95e9-09ae529e7492.jpg23c4dafb-f3af-45b3-a917-bd872fdd3516.jpg017d4aa2-cb09-40c6-a403-382d60c75fd3.jpg40ce06aa-787f-4073-968a-a65615c20f9e.jpgbada5f05-772d-4749-b704-77ab9c2c9e89.jpg88fd4cdc-37d9-476a-b85f-607b4471afa4.jpg
 
Pakistan Test squad practicing ahead of the series against New Zealand

ed33c071-147c-4a1f-8b0c-d5f944e483cb.jpg9c8ce9e4-f165-4aad-acdb-ba55aedf9bbc.jpge03735b9-b3f6-441c-89ea-ea1c044f0516.jpg
 
Video of practice

<div style="width: 100%; height: 0px; position: relative; padding-bottom: 55.000%;"><iframe src="https://streamable.com/e/pdgz22" frameborder="0" width="100%" height="100%" allowfullscreen style="width: 100%; height: 100%; position: absolute;"></iframe></div>
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top