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Loss for Pakistan in the 1st T20I but who were the weak links in the team for the first game?

What lineup should Pakistan go in or no changes needed?
 
Need to have better effort from Top Order. Also with bigger ground Spinners'll be more effective
 
I’ll probably go with this to be honest.

1. Abdullah Shafique
2. Haider Ali
3. Mohammad Hafeez
4. Shadab Khan (c)
5. Iftikhar Ahmed
6. Khushdil Shah
7. Sarfaraz Ahmed (wk)
8. Faheem Ashraf
9. Imad Wasim
10. Shaheen Afridi
11. Haris Rauf
 
If we contimue to open with Mohammad Rizwan, with his mighty average of 16 at SR of 96 in T20s, we deserve to lose again.
 
Please remove Rizwan from the top-order. International cricket isn't the place to try and fit someone in the team, specially on an overseas tour where you need your best bets to get off to a half decent start.

With Rizwan, the guy at the other end will always be under pressure.
 
As said previously, there should be one person as opener who can bash the ball around. 4-20 was horrible either ways but, need atleast one person who can utilize the powerplay. Maybe need to be bit inventive in this regard but, highly doubt it will change in the next match.

As per Shadab spin will come into play in Hamilton, so maybe Usman Qadir can come in place of Faheem or Wahab.
 
Playing 11 for next match should be,
01. Mohammad Hafeez
02. Sarfaraz Ahmad(C & wk)
03. Haider Ali
04. Abdullah Shafique
05. Hussain Talat / Iftikhar Ahmed
06. Khushdil Shah
07. Fahim Ashraf
08. Imad Wasim
09. Usman Qadir
10. Shaheen Afridi
11. Haris Rouf

Shadab Khan is not fully fit so should be rested though he played brilliantly, Usman Qadir should be tried here.

Rizwan is not suited for white ball cricket and only option left is Sarfaraz Ahmad although he also won't make any big difference (similar players).

Wahab Riaz should be dropped as he only bowls when the ball is old, for that purpose Haris Rouf is doing better job.

Abdullah Shafique is a fine batsman but he is not an opener so why to waste him by forcibly making him to open the innings.

Fahim has done well both with the bat and ball this time so he should play as a third seamer.

Hafeez being senior most member of the team should take responsibility and open the innings and also should bowl 2-3 overs.
 
Drop a pacer and play the 3rd spinner. Nothing to lose. Imad and Shadab can’t turn a door handle these days
 
My XI would’ve been

Sharjeel Khan
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Haidar Ali
Umar Akmal
Zeeshan Ashraf (wk)
Shadab Khan (c)
Hassan Ali (subject to fitness)
Mohammad Amir
Haris Rauf
Shaheen Afridi


Knowing Misbah ul Haq, he’ll probably make no changes from the first T20
 
It's hopeless for Pakistan unless they get Haider Ali and Mohammad Hafeez firing.

Even then our bowlers, especially spinners, will have to adjust their lines on these hard wickets.

Things looking very gloomy for Misbah & co. Like I said last month: I don't see Misbah surviving this tour.
 
I don't know if there are many changes to be made. Wahab, as expected, is a dud - I'd bring in a batsmen in his place. Ideally Talat and not chacha Ifti

Otherwise maybe Shadab bats higher - maybe even opens in place of Rizwan
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
I’ll probably go with this to be honest.

1. Abdullah Shafique
2. Haider Ali
3. Mohammad Hafeez
4. Shadab Khan (c)
5. Iftikhar Ahmed
6. Khushdil Shah
7. Sarfaraz Ahmed (wk)
8. Faheem Ashraf
9. Imad Wasim
10. Shaheen Afridi
11. Haris Rauf
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Finally you have promoted Haider to open :)
 
Open with haider ali and abdullah.play sarfraz ahead of rizwan.bring in husnain for wahab.

Haider ali
Abdullah
Sarfraz
Hafeez
Khushdil
Iftikhar
Imad
Shadab
Ashraf
Shaheen
Husnain/wahab
 
Finally NZ won a T20I. This should give them some confidence in this format. IIRC they had 8 losses in last 10 games before this.

Any way, Pakistan should not panic. I can see posters asking Umar Akmal, Umar Amin, Sarfaraz Ahmed, Sharjeel etc. to be brought back but these would be steps backward. Haven't you guys already learnt your lessons after bringing UA back a few years ago?
 
For the next match, play the same lineup and hope for better results. Give your team some breathing space.
 
Kiwis are more superior side , there is no doubt about it , its very difficult to beat this kiwi side with average players Pakistan has.
 
When you know some people are paid to select a team and after thinking quite a lot they come up with the idea to select Rizwan in T20's and then also open in international, you are completely disheartened.

Rizwan, is probably a good lad and a good test match batsman, but the hate he is creating for himself by T20's is getting too much. He should himself step-down from the T20 squad.

No way we should continue with him for the next match. Even put Waqar Younis as keeper but I don't want to see his name.
 
Won’t happen but this is what I would go with.

Sarfaraz
Haider
Talat
Hafeez
Khushdil
Shadab
Imad
Ashraf
Hasnain
Afridi
Rauf
 
I feel a guy like Abdullah will be more handy in ODI and Test cricket where he has a bit more time to settle in where as in T20 yits all about 120 balls and making most of it.

I'd perhaps try him there to see how he goes as far I know he is yet to play any List A cricket as his exposure to cricket is very limited so far.

If looking at this I would probably go with something like this;

Rizwan
Haider
Hafeez
Shadab
Khushdil
Iftikhar
Faheem
Imad
Shaheen
Hasnain
Rauf

Depending if the start is slow try sending in Ifti at 3 to try and take advantage of the PP, otherwise Hafeez can do it so as well but perhaps because he has been at 4 for little while might be better to try Ifti at that place.

Wahab despite the experience went for plenty and his lines were all over, I'd go with Hasnain but knowing the psyche they will play Wahab and might go with the same team as well.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
It's hopeless for Pakistan unless they get Haider Ali and Mohammad Hafeez firing.

Even then our bowlers, especially spinners, will have to adjust their lines on these hard wickets.

Things looking very gloomy for Misbah & co. Like I said last month: I don't see Misbah surviving this tour.
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Another thing today was that Shadab got his bowling tactics wrong having Imad who was the economical one just bowled 2 overs and gave 14 meanwhile he gave Wahab who went for 23 in 2 overs his full quota.

He should have kept Imad on unless they went after him and he could have just bowled out his 4 in one go especially when he's going at 6 an over.
 
Markhor said:
If we contimue to open with Mohammad Rizwan, with his mighty average of 16 at SR of 96 in T20s, we deserve to lose again.
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Another one of Misbah's master strokes. Lets play a steady eddy as opener and post 150.
 
Shadab started bowling in the nets four days ago before this he bowled in the National T20. He clearly looks rusty so drop Wahab Riaz for Usman Qadir
 
Very topsy-turvy first game. The frustrating thing here is that now being down 0-1 in the series, management probably gonna think that changing the opening combo wouldn't be ideal so there's a chance that Rizwan could open again :facepalm: You'd think Zeeshan would be the solution (on paper at least) but the question would be how to fit him in the XI. The compromise here would be that play Rizwan as a floater batsman and send him in depending on the situation at hand. Until Babar returns, Haider needs to open.

My XI for 2nd t20: Haider, Abdullah, Hafeez, Shadab, Khushdil, Imad, Faheem, Rizwan (floater), Shaheen, Wahab, Rauf.
 
shah_1 said:
Shadab started bowling in the nets four days ago before this he bowled in the National T20. He clearly looks rusty so drop Wahab Riaz for Usman Qadir
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Considering Pak are down 0-1, I'd be kinda surprised if they dropped Wahab for Qadir, or even Hasnain. Don't think Misbah would take that risk :misbah3.
 
TeamPak95 said:
Considering Pak are down 0-1, I'd be kinda surprised if they dropped Wahab for Qadir, or even Hasnain. Don't think Misbah would take that risk :misbah3.
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Pakistan can't keep playing two spinning allrounders. Pak needs a front line spinner
 
Top order batting failure in the first game is one thing - but what we seriously lacked is the energy.

The batting line is simply not pumped up enough. Timid, under-confident and lacking fire power, they didn't even try to counter attack.

This approach needs to be changed. You already saw that staying on the backfoot results in failure so play aggressively and launch a counter attack.

In modern day international T20, 48 runs after the first 10 overs is laughable.

Pak batting must come up with a do or die attitude and go all guns blazing. They may or may not succeed but they can surely try.

Tuk tuk tuk Misbahesque style won't do it!
 
Need to bring Talat in for Wahab and Sarfraz or Rohail(if available after Shaheen's game) for Rizwan.
We already have 5 bowlers and Talat gives the sixth option and 4th pace bowler's option.
In NZ you are bound to go for runs in t20is. Batting is something you need to be really good at.
 
Deewana Mastana said:
I feel a guy like Abdullah will be more handy in ODI and Test cricket where he has a bit more time to settle in where as in T20 yits all about 120 balls and making most of it.

I'd perhaps try him there to see how he goes as far I know he is yet to play any List A cricket as his exposure to cricket is very limited so far.

If looking at this I would probably go with something like this;

Rizwan
Haider
Hafeez
Shadab
Khushdil
Iftikhar
Faheem
Imad
Shaheen
Hasnain
Rauf

Depending if the start is slow try sending in Ifti at 3 to try and take advantage of the PP, otherwise Hafeez can do it so as well but perhaps because he has been at 4 for little while might be better to try Ifti at that place.

Wahab despite the experience went for plenty and his lines were all over, I'd go with Hasnain but knowing the psyche they will play Wahab and might go with the same team as well.
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Abdullah should have been playing Shaheen's Game he need more time and exposure in Domestic cricket
 
I took a few months off cricket only to now discover this disaster of a top order. I guess rotation is good before the WC but don't expect to win any games with that lineup.

Wahab, I thought he retired? Strange choice.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Need to bring Talat in for Wahab and Sarfraz or Rohail(if available after Shaheen's game) for Rizwan.
We already have 5 bowlers and Talat gives the sixth option and 4th pace bowler's option.
In NZ you are bound to go for runs in t20is. Batting is something you need to be really good at.
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Rohail is too busy playing Shaheen and won’t make this Sunday’s game I reckon.
 
shah_1 said:
Shadab started bowling in the nets four days ago before this he bowled in the National T20. He clearly looks rusty so drop Wahab Riaz for Usman Qadir
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It’ll be interesting to see how Tahir has performed in NZ, you’ll get somewhat of an indication for how Usman will do. Personally I think maybe look at Hasnain.
 
I expect no changes. First game was a bit of a write off - even as Pakistan gave a reasonable account of themselves.

I would have started with a different team in 1st T20 as well - but panic changes won't help.

Only thing I'll do is put Rizwan at no 10.
 
We have a hopeless side full of relu kattas with one of them as the leader
 
Need to play Ifti in place of Imad... And probably Talat or Zeeshan in place of Shafique....pushed rizwan down
 
Pak will make two changes. Not sure who will be dropped. I would replace Fahim with Talat, as Fahim one fluke inning after 30 matches is done with. Second change I would make and expect is Wahab will be replaced by Hasnain. Abdullah shafiq and Haider Ali should open.
 
overall the performance was little slack. you can't point out one or two individuals. may be wahab was bit off but is always the case with such bowler you get some good days but not consistently. But others option is also pretty much same Hussain is also not consistent.

Other than that may talat can replace Imad as spinners did not performed in last match. but that will depend on wicket as well.

Overall all lack of practice had a bad effect. Batting order looked good Rizwan is future and sarfarz is past so no need to reverse the clock. He looked good further its a temporary solution no need to experiment too much. Just stick with it for rest of 2 games.
 
I didn't realize Mohammed Hafeez is 40 and still playing, being selfish here. Management should replace him with a youngsta beauty and prepare for the next 2023 world cup.
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
I’ll probably go with this to be honest.

1. Abdullah Shafique
2. Haider Ali
3. Mohammad Hafeez
4. Shadab Khan (c)
5. Iftikhar Ahmed
6. Khushdil Shah
7. Sarfaraz Ahmed (wk)
8. Faheem Ashraf
9. Imad Wasim
10. Shaheen Afridi
11. Haris Rauf
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I like the lineup, but I'd shuffle the order a bit.

Abdullah Shafique
Sarfaraz Ahmed (practically a tailender when he plays in the middle order, but could be useful up top.)
Haider Ali
Mohammad Hafeez
Shadab Khan
Khushdil Shah
Iftikhar Ahmed (probably the only option given that he did succeed in Australia.)
Faheem Ashraf
Imad Wasim
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Haris Rauf

The only issue which might arise is the fact that the bowling looks a little weak, because there are only 12 overs of pace. In New Zealand, pace tends to be more dominating, so it means that our spinners will have to do very well.

I think that Imad Wasim should be utilized in the powerplay as much as he can, because left-arm spinners didn't concede much in the first game. Wrist-spinners went for plenty, so I doubt that Shadab will be effective.
 
Guys so many of you are really serious when you suggest Ifthikar Ahmed? What has he really done to be in the squad? Could you please share one match winning contribution by him!
 
Indian_cricket_fan said:
Guys so many of you are really serious when you suggest Ifthikar Ahmed? What has he really done to be in the squad? Could you please share one match winning contribution by him!
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We’re not spoiled for choices exactly. Statistically speaking he does the best in the domestic tournaments and other than Khushdil no one else comes close for the number 5/6 position. He also scored a 100 in the practice match a few days ago, and spearheaded the batting in the Australia T20s when the rest of the batting collapsed, suggesting he does well on bouncy tracks.

I don’t like him long-term, but I also dislike underrating a player if they’re turning in performances while others aren’t.
 
I like the idea of Hasnain in place of Wahab, but I fear that makes the tail a bit too long, and after that performance, we need a long tail. We could alternatively play a 3rd spinner in Wahab's place, but I don't think we have one? Maybe if Ifti cha cha comes in, he can bowl a few overs. Haider should open I think. Not sure really, seems like a pretty average side we have here.
 
I think that the part where we lost momentum was when Shadab came on immediately after the powerplay, and gave away 12. At that point, Seifert was not settled, and Shadab bowled a very poor over and gave away runs which we did not need to give away.
 
Caved12 said:
Dear Mansoor Rana,

Please hide all knives at the dinner table today as I am going to discuss the technique of our top order batsmen who failed against NZ today.
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Brilliant. Can’t believe this joke of a man got appointed as the batting coach without expressly apologising for his disgusting actions.

He is continuing his ridiculous fake writing tactics.
 
Rayyman said:
Sarfraz has to come in man :sarf2
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I just don't see what he does better than Rizwan. Safaraz is also limited with stroke play, can't clear the boundary and struggles when the ball gets big on him.

Rizwan is not a t20 player but he is a better batsman and WK. So until we find a better option...
 
Forum363 said:
Brilliant. Can’t believe this joke of a man got appointed as the batting coach without expressly apologising for his disgusting actions.

He is continuing his ridiculous fake writing tactics.
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He wants to be the head coach of PCT and knows that Misbah's days are numbered. These are his tactics to show everyone how involved he is.
 
Hasnain should come in place of Wahab, couldnt do worse than him. Tempted to play Usman as well, but i dont know who should be dropped in place of him. Cant drop Imad because our batting line up is already weak and Shadab is captain. Maybe Khushdil Shah? But then again we will be a batsmen short. Weird conundrum.
 
What ever happens just dont bowl first they are small grounds need to be clever about it
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
We’re not spoiled for choices exactly. Statistically speaking he does the best in the domestic tournaments and other than Khushdil no one else comes close for the number 5/6 position. He also scored a 100 in the practice match a few days ago, and spearheaded the batting in the Australia T20s when the rest of the batting collapsed, suggesting he does well on bouncy tracks.

I don’t like him long-term, but I also dislike underrating a player if they’re turning in performances while others aren’t.
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I did see his t20s and ODI stats. They are not bad for a number 5/6 but I would rather invest in a young all rounder than him. His bowling is not that effective anyway and he is not a good batsman as well unfortunately.
 
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