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New Zealand has taken a strong 2-0 lead in the five-match T20I series after another convincing win over Pakistan. Despite some promising performances, Pakistan fell short in both matches, and the team will need to regroup quickly to keep the series alive.

The focus now shifts to the third T20I, set to take place on 21 March at Eden Park in Auckland, a venue known for its high-scoring games and electric atmosphere.

What are your thoughts on the upcoming clash? Can Pakistan turn things around, or will New Zealand seal the series in Auckland?
 
Rana said:
It’s getting there

Enjoyed Pakistan’s batting for once
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Really wanna see this team pull out something extra ordinary... Shaheen needs to be rested for good now... Bring Abbas in and also bring abrar back in...
 
Lets see who is still standing by the end of the series? ...
 
Changes I want to see:

OBY in for Hassan
Usman in for samad
Abbas in for Shaheen
Abrar in for Jahandad...

OBY
Usman
haris
salman
niazi
Khushdil
Shadab
Abbas
Haris
Abrar
Ali
 
3-0 to NZ. Pakistan team won't win anything's with theses brainless slogger:kp
 
Ironic people are loving the defeats , shocking is this what the play for to get beaten only.

Why are Usman Khan and OBY not opening knowing they played the Zim Series,why is there no consistency in selections. These were 5 games to sort your combination but PCB and Aaqib hell bent on wasting it.
 
We want to win in the right way, we want to be prepared for all inevitably. We won’t accept the cowards way out. We will not leave our fate in the hands of others. We will take our destiny into our own hands.

Sarfaroshi ki tamana Ab hamare dil main hai…
 
Omair Bin Yousuf will probably return which is unfortunate because he ain't a T20 cricketer.

Usman Khan is limited as a player specially in pace bowling conditions.

Personally I would drop Shaheen but not Hasan Nawaz. The kick is playing his debut tour, let's back the kid & give him a chance. I know right now Sam Ayub will walk back into the Pakistan team.

Abdul Samad has shown glimpses but need more from him & the batters. Agha looked pretty good in the 2nd game. Haris has gotten a free throw here, he needs to show what Pakistan team has been missing.

Abbas Afridi needs to play & surprised Akif Javed isn't in the T20 side.
 
Rana said:
We want to win in the right way, we want to be prepared for all inevitably. We won’t accept the cowards way out. We will not leave our fate in the hands of others. We will take our destiny into our own hands.

Sarfaroshi ki tamana Ab hamare dil main hai…
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"we are not playing for a win" - Pakistan cricket fans :kp​

 
Devadwal said:

"we are not playing for a win" - Pakistan cricket fans :kp​

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Yes this is pathetic approach , its good that these posters are getting a taste of their own medicine , to play fearless attacking cricket there has to be personnel for that which sadly Paksitan cricket is lacking, 5/0 on cards here
 
Sachin fan said:
It's the bowling letting them down, not batting. Batting scored at 9 an over which is pretty good, bowling went at 12 an over initially.
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Scoring 9 runs per over is nothing in a 15 over Match on a tinny ground.

Pakistan scored 36 runs in PP in a Rain shorten game is nothing less than Humiliation.

Same poster Rana who was always crying about PP score is now finding the excuses.

What is better score in PP 40/0 or 66/2 - this is what he used to asked earlier .

powerplay score in Both match so far - 14/4 and 36/2 ( in a 15 over match)

:kp
 
TeymurBlake said:
Omair Bin Yousuf will probably return which is unfortunate because he ain't a T20 cricketer.

Usman Khan is limited as a player specially in pace bowling conditions.

Personally I would drop Shaheen but not Hasan Nawaz. The kick is playing his debut tour, let's back the kid & give him a chance. I know right now Sam Ayub will walk back into the Pakistan team.

Abdul Samad has shown glimpses but need more from him & the batters. Agha looked pretty good in the 2nd game. Haris has gotten a free throw here, he needs to show what Pakistan team has been missing.

Abbas Afridi needs to play & surprised Akif Javed isn't in the T20 side.
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They selected wrong players for this tour. Always debut youngsters in SENA countries.
 
Can someone please protest against the continuous selection of this hack Muhammad Haris? He has nothing to show for his pathetic career so far.

Hassan Nawaz also looks too raw and this kind of brainless tullaybazi will never work in international cricket.
 
Haris has been given the chance to put the final nail in the coffin, instead of finally ending the TukTuk, he’s about to revive it by not producing anything.

I’ll never forgive him for this.
 
Devadwal said:
Now we have new words/ Sentence in the town - we are not playing for a win. Learning from England team :kp
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The sentence/ words may be new, but many of their players like Babar were doing this for years..they play for their individual milestones and/or keep their spot secure in the team..
 
It's strange why they haven't played Abbas Afridi yet

Maybe replace Shaheen with Abbas for the last 3 games now.
 
Pakistan needs atelast a couple of guys who can play 30 balls to make a 45 to 50. Others can throw the kitchen sink. Cannot totally rely on cameos because batsman cannot go after bowling without being set
 
Also I will like to add to my previous post, quite surprised to see Irfan Khan Niazi coming at No.4 which is interesting as he is meant to be a finisher.

Maybe shift Shadab to No.4 with Samad at No.5, giving Samad some deliveries to get going.
 
I do not see Pakistan winning here , but you need to try and improve with each game. These players need to be given a longer run. No point in going back to same discarded players again , and make that a never ending circle.
 
Need to do something about the bowling combination and bowling tactics.

Maybe open bowling with a spinner? Try something different.
 
OBY
Haris
Salman
Irfan
Shadab
Khusdil
Samad
Abbas
Abrar
Haris
Ali

If irfan dosent fire Isman should come for him. Samad and Haris I will give the whole series as these are two guys who if they click could be important cog in making the team combination for World Cup
 
Devadwal said:
Now we have new words/ Sentence in the town - we are not playing for a win. Learning from England team :kp
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These are bilateral t20s, losses especially away games are not the end of the world if they are trying some new faces.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
@mominsaigol would say that these guys need to play in the UAE first which is a valid point although I don't get his support for Shakeel and Agha.
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Saud shakeel is a given in red ball, Agha is a given in odi and test.

Saud is the best red ball player in the country with agha being the best allrounder (even if he doesn't bowl much)
 
Please play the same 11. You came into this series with a specific mindset, believe in that.

If you're dropping Hasan after two ducks on his first international tour....he will never recover from this & will change his game.
 
gazza619 said:
Can we not drop Shadab for ever? He cant bowl and is taking up the space of a genuine batter.
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Who are you gonna replace him with...

TBH, i would give all 5 games to him and also Hassan and Haris so that people have clear idea
 
I simply cannot digest the fact that Omair Bin Yousuf who has more than 3.5k runs in FC cricket on top of the 1k runs in T20s at a decent strike rate was not our first option as an opener in the first two T20s. Where are your brains Agha?!?!


It was not easy to drain the kachra from the squad but below is the best XI i can propose:

1. Omair Bin Yousuf
2. Usman Khan
3. Agha Salman
4. M Haris
5. Irfan Khan
6. Khushdil Shah
7. Shadab Khan (Samad & Hasan are kachra so I have no choice)
8. Abbass Afridi
9. Haris Rauf
10. Abrar Ahmed
11. Sufiyan Muqeem

I know I have only picked two pacers but unfortunately I cant rely on Shaheen & Ali anymore. Shows how much kachra there is in the squad.
 
Mohd Haris should be the first name to be droppeHaris will be retained but surely this must be his last chance if he does not score some runs. Hasan Nawaz, Mohd Ali and Jahandad will be dropped. OBY, Abrar and atlast Abbas Frudu are playing. A bass is the most sensible bowler if the lit, not sure why he was not played in first place.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Can someone please protest against the continuous selection of this hack Muhammad Haris? He has nothing to show for his pathetic career so far.

Hassan Nawaz also looks too raw and this kind of brainless tullaybazi will never work in international cricket.
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M Harris is best T20 batsman in Pakistan after Fakhar, Saim and Shadab. He should get next two halwa series as well to stat pad like Babar and Rizzu.
 
Three changes should take place:

OBY in for Hassan
Abbas in for Jahandad
Abrar in for Afridi

Aqib's playing XI selection has surprsingly been good in this series so hopefully he will get it right.
 
Greenstorm said:
M Harris is best T20 batsman in Pakistan after Fakhar, Saim and Shadab. He should get next two halwa series as well to stat pad like Babar and Rizzu.
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Mo Haris in terms of shot selection is the worst batsman I've ever seen from Pakistan. Brainless slogger nothing more he's at the moment.
His worshippers should pray for a miraculous turnaround for him
 
Ahmed216 said:
Mo Haris in terms of shot selection is the worst batsman I've ever seen from Pakistan. Brainless slogger nothing more he's at the moment.
His worshippers should pray for a miraculous turnaround for him
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He has issues with shot selection and offside play and hopefully M Yousuf can improve that if given enough time but this guy dominated Rabada and Ferguson in Aus in a WC as rookie ! Not many in Pakistan can do that.

Your 'proper batsman' have given us too much zillat. We need more tullaybaaz like Harris in T20 cricket. On every ball, he tries to score runs and dominate bowlers. We should always give long rope to such daler selfless players.
 
Ahmed216 said:
Mo Haris in terms of shot selection is the worst batsman I've ever seen from Pakistan. Brainless slogger nothing more he's at the moment.
His worshippers should pray for a miraculous turnaround for him
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Lol, their have been worse then haris before in PK cricket and we've had plenty of brainless sloggers. But yes he is one of them.

Just not a good batter with lack of fc experience
 
Pakistan has to learn to score 20 plus run over frequently. Not even a single pak batsman looks capable of that. On small grounds like this that matters. There is always one or two bowlers from opposition you can target.
 
Pakistan t20 record over 2 years almost like

P 20 W 4 L 16
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Abysmal record even these 4 wins are against minnows/mediocre side
 
Greenstorm said:
He has issues with shot selection and offside play and hopefully M Yousuf can improve that if given enough time but this guy dominated Rabada and Ferguson in Aus in a WC as rookie ! Not many in Pakistan can do that.

Your 'proper batsman' have given us too much zillat. We need more tullaybaaz like Harris in T20 cricket. On every ball, he tries to score runs and dominate bowlers. We should always give long rope to such daler selfless players.
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Whatever Izzat we've had its because of the proper batsmen.
The pakistani tullaybaaz have never done anything and never will
 
Ahmed216 said:
Whatever Izzat we've had its because of the proper batsmen.
The pakistani tullaybaaz have never done anything and never will
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Top T20 cricketers like klaasen head etc have 100 FC games behind them.
Indian Youngsters like Abhishek and Tilak also been part of a very good setup from a very young age
 
Barring SSA , same team should play give them ample time to prove themselves, we are losing this series anyways.
 
Ahmed216 said:
Whatever Izzat we've had its because of the proper batsmen.
The pakistani tullaybaaz have never done anything and never will
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Two tullaybaaz (Afridi and Fakhar) gave us two ICC trophies.

T20 is not meant for 'proper batting'.
 
Greenstorm said:
Two tullaybaaz (Afridi and Fakhar) gave us two ICC trophies.

T20 is not meant for 'proper batting'.
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Fakhar is a tullaybaaz? Lol

Afridi was a great talent with the bat with the ability to put his down in tough situations.
He didn't hit a six in his 50 run knock against SA in semi final.
Also played a very sensible innings in Final against SL. Took the game deep.
Watch highlights you'll notice there was no tullaybaazi.
He seriously under performed with the bat. His initial 4-5 years in international cricket was a proof.
Test average of 37 with an ATG knock against India at Chennai 1999
 
Ahmed216 said:
Fakhar is a tullaybaaz? Lol

Afridi was a great talent with the bat with the ability to put his down in tough situations.
He didn't hit a six in his 50 run knock against SA in semi final.
Also played a very sensible innings in Final against SL. Took the game deep.
Watch highlights you'll notice there was no tullaybaazi.
He seriously under performed with the bat. His initial 4-5 years in international cricket was a proof.
Test average of 37 with an ATG knock against India at Chennai 1999
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Your definition of tullaybaazi is different from me. Fakhar and Afridi are tullaybaaz in the same way Sehwag or Gibbs were. Most of them plant there front foot and swing through the line aka tulla. They are superior version of tullaybaaz as compared to Finn Allen, Aaron Finch, Salt etc but they are still tullaybaaz to an extent. You can't call them 'proper' batsman.

Any tullaybaaz can play according to situation like Afridi did numerous times. Hitting sixes is just one aspect of unconventional batting. My point still stands, last two of our trophies were won by improper batsmen. :afridi

Ab kar lol.
 
Greenstorm said:
Your definition of tullaybaazi is different from me. Fakhar and Afridi are tullaybaaz in the same way Sehwag or Gibbs were. Most of them plant there front foot and swing through the line aka tulla. They are superior version of tullaybaaz as compared to Finn Allen, Aaron Finch, Salt etc but they are still tullaybaaz to an extent. You can't call them 'proper' batsman.

Any tullaybaaz can play according to situation like Afridi did numerous times. Hitting sixes is just one aspect of unconventional batting. My point still stands, last two of our trophies were won by improper batsmen. :afridi

Ab kar lol.
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My definition of a tullaybaaz is blind slogger like Mo Haris.

I think your definition of tullaybaaz is attacking batsmen because sehwag and Gibbs were more than 'plant your front foot and swing though the line' batsmen.

Sehwag and Gibbs were tullaybaaz lol 👍
 
Let's not be hasty. If we need to change the way we play then hell with the results. This is gonna take time, may be years, before we get it right.

Lets use these bi laterals as 'friendlies' and not a series to win or lose, Im sure we'll have a decent side come Feb 2026 for the world cup.
 
Ahmed216 said:
My definition of a tullaybaaz is blind slogger like Mo Haris.
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M Harris is no different than Finn Allen, Salt, Seifert, Roy etc in terms of technique and approach. They may differ in talent and shot selection.
Ahmed216 said:
I think your definition of tullaybaaz is attacking batsmen because sehwag and Gibbs were more than 'plant your front foot and swing though the line' batsmen.

Sehwag and Gibbs were tullaybaaz lol 👍
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Sehwag and Gibbs were exactly that. Basic technique of batting is that front foot (toe) should get in line with the ball. Go watch Sehwag, Gibbs or Fakhar and see if they are following that. They rely on hand eye coordination and timing.

A conventional batsman can also be an attacking batsman. Some examples are Kohli, DeVilliers, Viv Richards, Inzimam, Umar Akmal, Saim Ayub etc.

Kafi 'learn' kar rahe ho aaj. :afridi

Let me say it again. Proper batsman gave us zillat in recent years. Improper (tullaybaaz) batsmen gave us glory.
 
Greenstorm said:
M Harris is no different than Finn Allen, Salt, Seifert, Roy etc in terms of technique and approach. They may differ in talent and shot selection.

Sehwag and Gibbs were exactly that. Basic technique of batting is that front foot (toe) should get in line with the ball. Go watch Sehwag, Gibbs or Fakhar and see if they are following that. They rely on hand eye coordination and timing.

A conventional batsman can also be an attacking batsman. Some examples are Kohli, DeVilliers, Viv Richards, Inzimam, Umar Akmal, Saim Ayub etc.

Kafi 'learn' kar rahe ho aaj. :afridi

Let me say it again. Proper batsman gave us zillat in recent years. Improper (tullaybaaz) batsmen gave us glory.
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My definition of tullaybaaz is different from yours.
I don't think many on this forum will use the term 'tullaybaaz' for successful test cricketers like Sehwag and Gibbs.

Haan bhai 'learn' kar rha hun there are people who believe brainless sloggers like Haris will bring us glory
 
Ahmed216 said:
My definition of tullaybaaz is different from yours.
I don't think many on this forum will use the term 'tullaybaaz' for successful test cricketers like Sehwag and Gibbs.

Haan bhai 'learn' kar rha hun there are people who believe brainless sloggers like Haris will bring us glory
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Lets test your learning. (Anyone can participate)

Assignment 1: (Total marks:10)

Prepare an in-depth analysis of Finn Allen or Tim Seifert's batting technique. How does it relate with technique of M Harris ? Briefly explain differences between them if any.

Deadline: 26-3-2025

Note: Avoid plagiarism.
 
Very clear from the first 2 t20s that Abdul Samad and Hasan Nawaz are simply gully level cricketers worse asif ali.. Cant score boundaries in a small ground like Dunedin is simply enough for these two to be discarded forever..

Haris is simply not making the case for replacing rizwan, his keeping is also poor... such a brainless slogger not sure wht Gary saw in him asking to appoint him as T2O captain lol , probably he was going by his 2022 WT20 knocks...

Newzealand no matter what , in subcontinent condition or in their home conditions are poor players of spin bowling.. It took year of IPL for Kane to master it somehow...

Play both Sufyan and Abraar ahmed...

changes for me should be
OBY in Hasan out ; Abraar in Shadab out ; Usman in Samad out ; Abbas in Ali out ; Sufyan in Shaheen out ;

  1. OBY for Hasan
  2. haris last chance
  3. Usman at 3 has a record of avg 98.0 in T20 at 3 , so would try him at 3
  4. Salman
  5. Khusdhil
  6. Irfan
  7. Jahandad
  8. Abbas Afridi
  9. Haris rauf
  10. Abraar
  11. Sufyan Muqeem
 
Greenstorm said:
M Harris is no different than Finn Allen, Salt, Seifert, Roy etc in terms of technique and approach. They may differ in talent and shot selection.

Sehwag and Gibbs were exactly that. Basic technique of batting is that front foot (toe) should get in line with the ball. Go watch Sehwag, Gibbs or Fakhar and see if they are following that. They rely on hand eye coordination and timing.

A conventional batsman can also be an attacking batsman. Some examples are Kohli, DeVilliers, Viv Richards, Inzimam, Umar Akmal, Saim Ayub etc.

Kafi 'learn' kar rahe ho aaj. :afridi

Let me say it again. Proper batsman gave us zillat in recent years. Improper (tullaybaaz) batsmen gave us glory.
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all that u named Finn Allen, Salt, Seifert, Roy have better technique on their shots + power generation ,,, they are well built too, compared to brainless slogger who just simply slog from his hip not seeing the ball....

This team since they try adapting to modern day T20 era , players are trying to slog/swing every ball from their hips to somehow survive into that storm and stay relevant to bazball cricket that they wanna play, in the meantime they forgot how to bat or play their shots... I can see them close eyes and whack , literally saw that from most of the batsmen..
 
It really is amazing how each series they look worse than the one before. :ROFLMAO:

This team in its current form is finished. It's going to take years to find decent players.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
all that u named Finn Allen, Salt, Seifert, Roy have better technique on their shots + power generation ,,, they are well built too, compared to brainless slogger who just simply slog from his hip not seeing the ball....

This team since they try adapting to modern day T20 era , players are trying to slog/swing every ball from their hips to somehow survive into that storm and stay relevant to bazball cricket that they wanna play, in the meantime they forgot how to bat or play their shots... I can see them close eyes and whack , literally saw that from most of the batsmen..
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Refer to post #72.

Same assignment for you sir.
 
End of story, even power hitting requires some sort of technique and ability , Shahid Afridi best power hitter from Pakistan had more than decent technique and another vital aspect strike rotation ability.

Same is the case with many others like Glenn Maxwell, David Miller & Andre Russell.

Pakistan of late has been only producing hacks in the lust for power hitting and paying the price,

Barring a fluke NZ will whitewash them convincingly.
 
There are many club level cricketers in this new look Pakistan but one guy particularly looks to be from a mohallah team , not even a club level player , that is Jahandad Khan . He neither look like a fast bowling all rounder , nor he is playing like batter or a bowler, truly a very poor selection.
 
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