"No cricket with a country where terrorists are housed & provided safe havens": Afghan Cricket Board

[Cricketrenew]

Prayers with the innocents.

Sport brings joy to millions, if everyone stopped playing sport because of politics no one would play anyone else. In life one day someones your friend 5 years later they have better friends.....

I believe in unity and one world view. All should play each other to bring joy to home and abroad. Defeats and victory are part of the game but the journey is the enjoyment for each one.

I pray for a world where all people use common sense and forgive each other and move past the politics of today look to the distant future.

 

[PakLFC]

Which class sides should we be playing instead of Afghanistan? Please do tell.

For political reasons we are not playing India. Have just finished a short tour of England. This leaves plenty of teams we should be aiming for. Why not NZ, Aus or South Africa? It is the PCB's poor planning that we are always playing second rate sides. India playing England soon in a full series after finishing with Sri Lanka and the Aussies touring the West Indies. We are playing Afghanistan a country no one else shows any interest in playing.

 

[PakLFC]

"These Afghans" is a generalization. Rest of your views are yours - and you have every right to express them.

The other is always them. Now using the "them" has become a derogatory remark too it seems.

 

[gazza619]

Some extremely immature posts on this thread.

Of course we should play Afghanistan.

Firstly, we are not a petty nation and should not allow sports and politics to mix.

Secondly, we were the nation that played most with Sri Lanka in the 80's when they were minnows and then again with Bangladesh. We should do absolutely the same with Afghanistan. There are already too few nations that play top level cricket where there is real competition, by playing regularly with teams like Afghanistan we are only improving the pool.

If, by playing them regularly, Afghanistan become a stronger force in cricket then that is good for the game.

So what if the their puppet government or cricket board made statements. If we all took the low road nothing would ever be achieved. Governments and heads of cricket boards come and go but the cricket team will still be there and we must rise above pettiness.

I think you are missing the fact that the Afghanistan cricket board which should have nothing to do with state politics made a statement that Pakistan is a terrorist state.

Please can you give me an example of when (if ever) one should protect their self respect?

I am sorry but people who are upset have every right to be upset, and calling this ‘being petty’ is absolute rubbish.

 

[Snowflake]

I think you are missing the fact that the Afghanistan cricket board which should have nothing to do with state politics made a statement that Pakistan is a terrorist state.

Please can you give me an example of when (if ever) one should protect their self respect?

I am sorry but people who are upset have every right to be upset, and calling this ‘being petty’ is absolute rubbish.

A lot of Pakistanis have become immune to the abuse they and their country get. For them, it's no big deal. But for such individuals, accepting this mindset is obviously not easy, so you'll often hear arguments such as "do not mix politics and sports, we can take the moral high ground, we do not need to stoop to their level, we're better than them etc"... These are all empty words and mean nothing. Give me one reason why the ACB won't hesitate to say the same thing (I.e Pak is a supporter and safe haven for terrorists) when another such incident happens?

BCCI is perceived as a mature and professional board throughout the cricketing world. We all know how they roll. Do we ever see Indians making such pathetic arguments when BCCI isn't doing PCB any favors? No! Because for them, self-respect is still a thing.

 

[Lion of Khyber]

BCCI is perceived as a mature and professional board throughout the cricketing world. We all know how they roll. Do we ever see Indians making such pathetic arguments when BCCI isn't doing PCB any favors? No! Because for them, self-respect is still a thing.

You can not compare Indian board with Afghan board, we’ve been through 40 years of war and are still being butchered. We are in total different mind state and state of maturity

I totally agree sports and politics should be separated, but we can not deny that the pressure from the nation was extreme and the then ACB head who later became Afghan ambassador to Pakistan had political motives and wanted to score cheap credit.

This series is a part of the ICC ODI league, you are not doing us any favour, if you don’t show up, you’ll lose important points. However, we did send you our players in the most recent PSL as per request of Imran Khan to our president.

When that said looking at current situation I don’t think the Afghan board or the Pakistani board has any interest in staging friendly series against each other.

As late as yesterday we shipped you 39 bags of bodies of your nationals alone from nangarhar province.

One of your political leaders Mullah FazulRahman, as late as yesterday congratulated the Taliban. Taliban are daily crossing into our country from your country where they have safe heavens, are being trained, being treated for their injuries and enjoy public support.

Masjeeds are openly collecting “Chanda”, the guts and skin of qorbani from lot of Pakistani cities were donated and sold in order to support the Taliban.

Just turn on your TV, they are daily celebrating and encouraging Taliban gains. And your politicians without a blink of the eye openly supports the Taliban.

The Taliban are bringing nothing but destruction to us, they are nothing but barbaric Jahils, during their regime they were not capable of providing any service as government should.

They could only execute people in public, cut hands and beat women up. Right now in the areas under their control, they are dynamiting roads, government buildings, power and phone towers and executing people.

In spenboldak during Eid people complain that nothing less than 400 civilians were found dead on the roads. No explanation in why it happened in their controlled area.

Am very sorry if we are a too emotional and don’t like your acts atm.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

You can not compare Indian board with Afghan board, we’ve been through 40 years of war and are still being butchered. We are in total different mind state and state of maturity

I totally agree sports and politics should be separated, but we can not deny that the pressure from the nation was extreme and the then ACB head who later became Afghan ambassador to Pakistan had political motives and wanted to score cheap credit.

This series is a part of the ICC ODI league, you are not doing us any favour, if you don’t show up, you’ll lose important points. However, we did send you our players in the most recent PSL as per request of Imran Khan to our president.

When that said looking at current situation I don’t think the Afghan board or the Pakistani board has any interest in staging friendly series against each other.

As late as yesterday we shipped you 39 bags of bodies of your nationals alone from nangarhar province.

One of your political leaders Mullah FazulRahman, as late as yesterday congratulated the Taliban. Taliban are daily crossing into our country from your country where they have safe heavens, are being trained, being treated for their injuries and enjoy public support.

Masjeeds are openly collecting “Chanda”, the guts and skin of qorbani from lot of Pakistani cities were donated and sold in order to support the Taliban.

Just turn on your TV, they are daily celebrating and encouraging Taliban gains. And your politicians without a blink of the eye openly supports the Taliban.

The Taliban are bringing nothing but destruction to us, they are nothing but barbaric Jahils, during their regime they were not capable of providing any service as government should.

They could only execute people in public, cut hands and beat women up. Right now in the areas under their control, they are dynamiting roads, government buildings, power and phone towers and executing people.

In spenboldak during Eid people complain that nothing less than 400 civilians were found dead on the roads. No explanation in why it happened in their controlled area.

Am very sorry if we are a too emotional and don’t like your acts atm.

This is so sad and heart breaking. Stay strong.
I don't think PCB is doing any favours to ACB and vice versa. Afghanistan already has a test match lined up in Australia. Hopefully few more countries like NZ/SA etc also have test matches and ODI series with Afghanistan. Your guys have oodles of talent and passion.

 

[Lion of Khyber]

This is so sad and heart breaking. Stay strong.
I don't think PCB is doing any favours to ACB and vice versa. Afghanistan already has a test match lined up in Australia. Hopefully few more countries like NZ/SA etc also have test matches and ODI series with Afghanistan. Your guys have oodles of talent and passion.

Thank you brother. I hope common sense prevails in both of our countries. These jahils won’t bring any good to any of us.

 

[adzzy786]

You can not compare Indian board with Afghan board, we’ve been through 40 years of war and are still being butchered. We are in total different mind state and state of maturity

I totally agree sports and politics should be separated, but we can not deny that the pressure from the nation was extreme and the then ACB head who later became Afghan ambassador to Pakistan had political motives and wanted to score cheap credit.

This series is a part of the ICC ODI league, you are not doing us any favour, if you don’t show up, you’ll lose important points. However, we did send you our players in the most recent PSL as per request of Imran Khan to our president.

When that said looking at current situation I don’t think the Afghan board or the Pakistani board has any interest in staging friendly series against each other.

As late as yesterday we shipped you 39 bags of bodies of your nationals alone from nangarhar province.

One of your political leaders Mullah FazulRahman, as late as yesterday congratulated the Taliban. Taliban are daily crossing into our country from your country where they have safe heavens, are being trained, being treated for their injuries and enjoy public support.

Masjeeds are openly collecting “Chanda”, the guts and skin of qorbani from lot of Pakistani cities were donated and sold in order to support the Taliban.

Just turn on your TV, they are daily celebrating and encouraging Taliban gains. And your politicians without a blink of the eye openly supports the Taliban.

The Taliban are bringing nothing but destruction to us, they are nothing but barbaric Jahils, during their regime they were not capable of providing any service as government should.

They could only execute people in public, cut hands and beat women up. Right now in the areas under their control, they are dynamiting roads, government buildings, power and phone towers and executing people.

In spenboldak during Eid people complain that nothing less than 400 civilians were found dead on the roads. No explanation in why it happened in their controlled area.

Am very sorry if we are a too emotional and don’t like your acts atm.

You sound just like your cricket board. I am sorry but half of those statements are not true. I have always supported Afghanistan in the past, my country gave refuge to hundreds of thousands of afghanis when they were under attack and this is how we get repaid. I’ve seen how hostile your people are towards mine even when we have tried our best to help you.

We don’t celebrate the taliban, we tried to encourage dialogue to end the violence and war that’s going on within your country. Don’t forget it was the USA who attacked you and caused a civil unrest, not us. If anything we have tried to help your people and your country as much as we can. Yet you believe what ever you see on the TV.


Mullah FazulRahman is not a elected political leader, he is also not in the government. He is a sly politician and He even has tried his best to cause issues in Pakistan. He does not represent Pakistan or Pakistanis.

Again, who’s told you the taliban are being trained in Pakistan and getting public support? Where is your proof? That is just a load of rubbish and we as people wouldn’t stand for that


‘ Masjeeds are openly collecting “Chanda”, the guts and skin of qorbani from lot of Pakistani cities were donated and sold in order to support the Taliban.’

What a ridiculous statement. Who told you that? Where’s the proof? Money collected from qurbani is spread to the poor.

You sound like you believe everything your Indian friends tell you. There is no substance to any of your accusations. I can assure you most Pakistanis want Afghanistan to be a stable place

 

[zacattakk]

We should never have agreed to this series until the Afghan cricket board publicly apologised to us for the statements their representative made.

 

[IMMY69]

I think you are missing the fact that the Afghanistan cricket board which should have nothing to do with state politics made a statement that Pakistan is a terrorist state.

Please can you give me an example of when (if ever) one should protect their self respect?

I am sorry but people who are upset have every right to be upset, and calling this ‘being petty’ is absolute rubbish.

The petty comments from the head of the ACB should not be countered with petty replies or actions.
Of course the head of the ACB should not have said what he did but at the end of the day who is this person? Rise above him and do what is right for the game, not for the country or to win political points.

If that Afghan couldn't separate sport from politics that is his problem. The millions of peaceful people on both sides of the border shouldn't have to cow down to one man's comment when it comes to sport.

This is exactly why we have got to where we are with regards to playing India in Cricket.

This is my view.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The petty comments from the head of the ACB should not be countered with petty replies or actions.
Of course the head of the ACB should not have said what he did but at the end of the day who is this person? Rise above him and do what is right for the game, not for the country or to win political points.

If that Afghan couldn't separate sport from politics that is his problem. The millions of peaceful people on both sides of the border shouldn't have to cow down to one man's comment when it comes to sport.

This is exactly why we have got to where we are with regards to playing India in Cricket.

This is my view.

It is the correct view. Those who want cricket to be cancelled with Afghanistan are usually posting anti-Pakistan messages in other threads, and the rest are too gullible to realise the bigger game that is being played here where the Indian govt is trying to isolate and destroy Pakistan entertainment structure in lots of fields, but primarily cricket.

 

[Pakpak]

As much as I dislike Afghan politics we should still play them otherwise no point crowing about India and how they mix sport with politics if we do the same.

 

[UzmanBeast]

I don't think the series will take place due to obvious political reasons.

I think the ACB will back out by late August.

That's my prediction.

I do hope that the series happens, but I can see it failing to do so.

 

[OmarKhan99]

You can not compare Indian board with Afghan board, we’ve been through 40 years of war and are still being butchered. We are in total different mind state and state of maturity

I totally agree sports and politics should be separated, but we can not deny that the pressure from the nation was extreme and the then ACB head who later became Afghan ambassador to Pakistan had political motives and wanted to score cheap credit.

This series is a part of the ICC ODI league, you are not doing us any favour, if you don’t show up, you’ll lose important points. However, we did send you our players in the most recent PSL as per request of Imran Khan to our president.

When that said looking at current situation I don’t think the Afghan board or the Pakistani board has any interest in staging friendly series against each other.

As late as yesterday we shipped you 39 bags of bodies of your nationals alone from nangarhar province.

One of your political leaders Mullah FazulRahman, as late as yesterday congratulated the Taliban. Taliban are daily crossing into our country from your country where they have safe heavens, are being trained, being treated for their injuries and enjoy public support.

Masjeeds are openly collecting “Chanda”, the guts and skin of qorbani from lot of Pakistani cities were donated and sold in order to support the Taliban.

Just turn on your TV, they are daily celebrating and encouraging Taliban gains. And your politicians without a blink of the eye openly supports the Taliban.

The Taliban are bringing nothing but destruction to us, they are nothing but barbaric Jahils, during their regime they were not capable of providing any service as government should.

They could only execute people in public, cut hands and beat women up. Right now in the areas under their control, they are dynamiting roads, government buildings, power and phone towers and executing people.

In spenboldak during Eid people complain that nothing less than 400 civilians were found dead on the roads. No explanation in why it happened in their controlled area.

Am very sorry if we are a too emotional and don’t like your acts atm.

I'll preface this by saying that I've always been and will be very sympathetic to the plight that the people of Afghanistan face.

It's important to realize that it's not just Afghanistan that has suffered from the fanatics, it's Pakistan too.

The Afghan Taliban, not to be mistaken for the various groups under the umbrella term 'Pakistan Taliban', are an inconvenient reality. A reality that has culminated from political unrest instigated from the Soviet invasion, resistance backed by Pak-USA, mini-civil wars/struggle for powers following the retreat of the Soviets, the US invasion, foreign influences, and again a covert resistance backed by Pakistan.

In reality, much like some of the neighbours of AFG, we could have remained neutral/unhelpful throughout the last 5 decades, but Pakistan (in its limited capacity), laid down its rapid economic growth/prosperity and impressive growing global influence in an effort to support the Afghan resistance. This is not meant to boast. If you analyse history, you'll know this to be true.

It was essentially a political sacrifice for Pakistan to have staunchly supported Guerrilla warfare. But it had to be done, to gain some semblance of freedom for their neighbours. However, that did result in a consequence that Pak-USA could not parse.

USA threw everything at the Taliban, but with more ammunition, there are more civilian/unjust casualties and the Taliban further tightened their grip over AFG. I am aware that there have been ploys to illustrate Pakistan as some sort of diabolical country that has the ability to orchestrate an organization (Taliban) which NATO realistically couldn't do anything about. Trust me, we aren't that powerful/resourceful. A blatant example of this is how Pakistan itself suffered countless casualties to a derivative of the same organization they were supposedly controlling/propping up.

The number of people who go into AFG from PAK to take part in the resistance is largely constituted of past refugees or descendants who still long for a foreign-influence free home. Even if you take the upper bound estimates of the number going from Pakistan into account, it's abundantly clear and undeniable that the resistance you are referring to is almost entirely indigenous to AFG people. Yes, there have been foreign powers that have provided arms to the resistance, but even if you take away the artillery, the AFG Taliban will remain, because they are indigenous. There's a reason there is support for them.

I could go into much more detail, but for the sake of this cricket-related thread, I'll keep it brief. Look, the world is much more nuanced than what we perceive it to be. There's more to it than just boiling down stakeholders into typical 'bad' guys or 'good' guys. Pakistan in its limited capacity has done quite a bit to help Afghanistan but naturally has also made some poor choices in the past, which admittedly have had adverse effects. That shouldn't be misconstrued as malice. And to the current Pak government's credit, they are fighting an uphill battle to rectify some of the harm. But again, it is an incredibly complex situation.
[MENTION=23648]adzzy786[/MENTION]'s post is a pretty good summary.

I'll leave you with this. Is there anything that Pakistan can gain from promoting instability in Afghanistan? Don't think so.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

For political reasons we are not playing India. Have just finished a short tour of England. This leaves plenty of teams we should be aiming for. Why not NZ, Aus or South Africa? It is the PCB's poor planning that we are always playing second rate sides. India playing England soon in a full series after finishing with Sri Lanka and the Aussies touring the West Indies. We are playing Afghanistan a country no one else shows any interest in playing.

I am pretty sure Pak is going to play against these 3 teams within the next one year.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Afghanistan got a lot of help from India and BCCI but it was Pakistan who initially helped them . Lots of Afghani players used to play in Pakistan's domestic cricket and this is where they learned their game. Just like in real life people tend to forget the first hand that came for help and only remember the last one.

 

[Last Monetarist]

I'd be surprised if this series goes through given the brewing political situation in Kabul. If it does get played, reckon it'll be a close series given the ineptitude of Pakistani batsmen against quality spin.

 

[PakLFC]

I am pretty sure Pak is going to play against these 3 teams within the next one year.

One test each then two t20s!!!?

 

[Snowflake]

You can not compare Indian board with Afghan board, we’ve been through 40 years of war and are still being butchered. We are in total different mind state and state of maturity

I totally agree sports and politics should be separated, but we can not deny that the pressure from the nation was extreme and the then ACB head who later became Afghan ambassador to Pakistan had political motives and wanted to score cheap credit.

This series is a part of the ICC ODI league, you are not doing us any favour, if you don’t show up, you’ll lose important points. However, we did send you our players in the most recent PSL as per request of Imran Khan to our president.

When that said looking at current situation I don’t think the Afghan board or the Pakistani board has any interest in staging friendly series against each other.

As late as yesterday we shipped you 39 bags of bodies of your nationals alone from nangarhar province.

One of your political leaders Mullah FazulRahman, as late as yesterday congratulated the Taliban. Taliban are daily crossing into our country from your country where they have safe heavens, are being trained, being treated for their injuries and enjoy public support.

Masjeeds are openly collecting “Chanda”, the guts and skin of qorbani from lot of Pakistani cities were donated and sold in order to support the Taliban.

Just turn on your TV, they are daily celebrating and encouraging Taliban gains. And your politicians without a blink of the eye openly supports the Taliban.

The Taliban are bringing nothing but destruction to us, they are nothing but barbaric Jahils, during their regime they were not capable of providing any service as government should.

They could only execute people in public, cut hands and beat women up. Right now in the areas under their control, they are dynamiting roads, government buildings, power and phone towers and executing people.

In spenboldak during Eid people complain that nothing less than 400 civilians were found dead on the roads. No explanation in why it happened in their controlled area.

Am very sorry if we are a too emotional and don’t like your acts atm.

I wasn't comparing ACB with BCCI but actually PCB with BCCI. That was for those posters saying that we should act like a mature board... BCCI has openly sidelined Pakistan and it's maturity hasn't taken any hit at the global level and I also don't see any Indians asking BCCI to act "maturely" and keep politics out of cricket.

Anyway, as for your conjecture-ridden media fed argument: I never said we're doing the ACB any favors. I said that you cannot have cricketing relations with a board that has openly insulted your country.

Also, I don't want to bring in the whole political scenario into this and discuss which country is right and which is wrong. This is a cricket forum and I want to keep the discussion relevant. Lastly, please spare me the cherry picked anecdotes. You returned bodies of Pakistani nationals? We returned 46 Afghan soldiers earlier today who had crossed into our country seeking refuge. So much for "our acts", right?

 

[gazza619]

It seems like the series might take place.

I would be very upset if I see any talk of brotherhood blah blah from Pakistan players or team management during the matches or if Pakistan does a 1999 WC Bangladesh game repeat…

 

[Muhammad Kaleem]

I have seem some comments by Afghans on social media that they should not play cricket with Pakistan just like India doesn't. Afghans should not ape a well-established giant cricketing nation like India. India can afford boycotting Pakistan but Afghanistan cant. Afghans need to grow up and realize that India and western countries wont waste their time playing bilateral series with countries like Afghanistan. Boycotting Pakistan wont do any good to their cricket. Afghanistan cricket board did say that they wont play with Pakistan, but look now, they have agreed to play now because they have realized that no big cricketing nation besides Pakistan gives **** about them. Pakistan is metaphorically daddy of Afghanistan cricket. Come to daddy.

 

[Snowflake]

It seems like the series might take place.

I would be very upset if I see any talk of brotherhood blah blah from Pakistan players or team management during the matches or if Pakistan does a 1999 WC Bangladesh game repeat…

I have seem some comments by Afghans on social media that they should not play cricket with Pakistan just like India doesn't. Afghans should not ape a well-established giant cricketing nation like India. India can afford boycotting Pakistan but Afghanistan cant. Afghans need to grow up and realize that India and western countries wont waste their time playing bilateral series with countries like Afghanistan. Boycotting Pakistan wont do any good to their cricket. Afghanistan cricket board did say that they wont play with Pakistan, but look now, they have agreed to play now because they have realized that no big cricketing nation besides Pakistan gives **** about them. Pakistan is metaphorically daddy of Afghanistan cricket. Come to daddy.

Looking at some of the posts on this forum, it looks like Pakistanis care more for the development of the Afghanistan cricket more than Afghanis themselves. Almost the entire nation and their cricketing board doesn't waste a chance to insult Pakistan but here we've got people suggesting we take the high road and exhibit good neighborly behavior

People need to realize that when a person is not even asking for your support, it's better to mind your own business.

 

[PakLFC]

It is Pak who should never play Afghanistan. Their players learnt to play in Pak and now are making cheap threats towards us Hamari billi hum se hi meoo, they are a third rate side that no top teams would even consider playing unless they have time to kill. Even then they will send a third rate side to take them on so to improve future players or those nearing retirement. I don't want Pak to play Afghanistan at all, it does not help Pak Cricket in any way.