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As per PCB:

"Aleem and Ahsan have been assigned on-field responsibilities for the ICC Men’s World Cup Super League fixtures as DRS will not be available"

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Another feather in the cap of Wasim Khan, the reason why they don’t have is because the DRS operators are unwilling to come to Pakistan
 
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That's a shame. Umpires are human and can make mistakes DRS gives a chance to have mistake corrected
 
What a disgrace. Utilizing DRS will be key in any major tournament. Simply pathetic going into biggest tournament
 
Pakistan had DRS during the SA series, why are the DRS operators unwilling to come to Pakistan all of a sudden?
 
Thats Taliban effect for u. It has started. Terrorist and Taliban sympathizers can rejoice at this.
 
Thats Taliban effect for u. It has started. Terrorist and Taliban sympathizers can rejoice at this.

Sick and tired of Pakistanis saying this. Don't need to be pessimistic.

We are much prepared now to deal with them and it won't be an issue.
 
As per PCB:

"Aleem and Ahsan have been assigned on-field responsibilities for the ICC Men’s World Cup Super League fixtures as DRS will not be available"

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Another feather in the cap of Wasim Khan, the reason why they don’t have is because the DRS operators are unwilling to come to Pakistan

Speak up, whats your agenda here?!!
 
What are DRS operators anyway?

Any TV broadcaster should be able to do it, as long as technologies like Hawkeye (which have been in vogue since the late 90s) are available.
 
What are DRS operators anyway?

Any TV broadcaster should be able to do it, as long as technologies like Hawkeye (which have been in vogue since the late 90s) are available.

They're the people who set up and the run the Hawkeye hardware and software. My guess would be the issue here is one of two things, either:

1) Hawkeye think the security situation has changed enough recently that they aren't willing to send the operators.

2) The PCB aren't willing to pay the extra money Hawkeye want to cover hotel quarantine and the extra loss of earnings due to it after the operators leave Pakistan.
 
Strange ? What is so special about the operators ? And also surely there must be some locally trained staff to operate it ?
 
For a change, umpires skill be tested again and we will live the days w/o this technology which I feel is good but still that 50% thing here and there upon umpires first call is kinda unfair
 
They're the people who set up and the run the Hawkeye hardware and software. My guess would be the issue here is one of two things, either:

1) Hawkeye think the security situation has changed enough recently that they aren't willing to send the operators.

2) The PCB aren't willing to pay the extra money Hawkeye want to cover hotel quarantine and the extra loss of earnings due to it after the operators leave Pakistan.

Pakistan don't have anyone in their entire country who can do that? lol.
 
Good news, hopefully some howlers will end some careers before the WT20.

For that you need the right umpires to complete the loop: Kumar Dharmasena and "A Shocker" de Silva would do nicely.
 
No big deal.

Cricket was still a fab sport pre DRS.

DRS plays a bigger role in test cricket.
 
Would’ve been nice to have it but not really a biggie.

Pakistan umpires are usually fair and competent - especially Aleem Dar.

I don’t have much of an issue if the umpire makes an honest mistake, it’s part of that game.

As long as umpires purposely don’t cheat, we can get by it. And I generally trust in Pak umpires in the international arena.

The owners/operators of Hawkeye who refused to visit Pak can shove their system and equipment up where the sun doesn’t shine.
 
I thought that was something every host country was able to provide themselves.

If that’s not the case with Pak, it needs to be addressed asap.
 
Would’ve been nice to have it but not really a biggie.

Pakistan umpires are usually fair and competent - especially Aleem Dar.

I don’t have much of an issue if the umpire makes an honest mistake, it’s part of that game.

As long as umpires purposely don’t cheat, we can get by it. And I generally trust in Pak umpires in the international arena.

The owners/operators of Hawkeye who refused to visit Pak can shove their system and equipment up where the sun doesn’t shine.

How anyone can justify having no DRS is beyond me.

It's not about operators. It's been a long time with this and previous regime and Pakistan has not been able to get decent broadcasting going.

it's just pure incompetence. One should call it out.
 
Series should be cancelled. Its unfair on nz behalf.


I hope tha taliban supporters are happy here....


With no hawkeye, how will it be judge if an lbw decision was corect
 
How anyone can justify having no DRS is beyond me.

It's not about operators. It's been a long time with this and previous regime and Pakistan has not been able to get decent broadcasting going.

it's just pure incompetence. One should call it out.

Do you even understand the issue?

PCB cannot put a gun to the owners/operators of Hawkeye company, that is supposedly purchased by Sony, to visit Pakistan.

There is no other ICC approved company to officiate ball tracking. Sony has a monopoly on it. Local Pakistan techies are not allowed to use the equipment that is not available in the first place.

But I am still not sure why such a fuss? Why some of us are acting as sissies? Let's man up, and play!

We have had Test cricket being played for over a 100 years without DRS. We are not going to lose a limb to play without DRS.

As I said, I trust my umpires to play fair. And I am ok if an umpire makes an honest mistake. It's part of the game.
 
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Is there a reason why the operators are not coming to the country? PCB should assure them of good security cover. It looks bad to not have DRS..
 
Pakistan already has a home advantage in the name of Pakistani umpires ;) It would be very demoralizing for the morale of the Pakistani team if they lost to the NZ C team. Can't afford it right before the twenty20 WC.
 
That’s really poor, not consistent with other series and DRS should always be available in case of human error.
 
Lets just cancel the series then. Some of you people need to relax, Cricket can be played without DRS.
 
There won’t be any usage of the Decision Review System (DRS) during New Zealand’s tour of Pakistan because of the unavailability of an approved provider for the technology.

Neither the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) nor the official broadcasters of the series were successful in finding an approved provider of the technology required to run the system.

Sources said that the inconvenience was caused because the rights of the bilateral series were sold late and hence they will have to manage without DRS in all eight matches.

The source also said there was so much international cricket being played around the world at this time that equipment technology provision will have to be arranged well in advance.

However, they have ensured to avail the DRS system when England tours Pakistan in October to play a couple of T20 International matches.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/zealand-tour-pakistan-drs-won-100639885.html?guccounter=1

Other reports are saying that no DRS for Pakistan v NZ is due to India hiring the system operators for the Indian Premier League (IPL).
 
A pointless tour becomes even more pointless. There's nothing to be excited about in this series at all.
 
Pakistan already has a home advantage in the name of Pakistani umpires ;) It would be very demoralizing for the morale of the Pakistani team if they lost to the NZ C team. Can't afford it right before the twenty20 WC.

Times have changed, they prefer to oblige the other team
 
As per PCB:

"Aleem and Ahsan have been assigned on-field responsibilities for the ICC Men’s World Cup Super League fixtures as DRS will not be available"

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Another feather in the cap of Wasim Khan, the reason why they don’t have is because the DRS operators are unwilling to come to Pakistan

I heard they are all bought by IPL (BCCI) offering them 4 times more pay than what PCB can offer.
 
This series will not part of ODI super league because of no DRS


Failure of Wasim Khan to get production rights signed so late
 
Wasim Khan is so incompetent it is funny. His departure should be declared a national holiday.
 
Pakistan Cricket Board and New Zealand Cricket have mutually agreed to change the status of next week’s ODI series to a bilateral series from the ICC Cricket World Cup Super League fixtures due to the non-availability of Decision Review System (DRS), a requirement in the event playing conditions.

As New Zealand will return to Pakistan in the 2022-23 season to play two Tests and three ODIs, the two boards have agreed that these 50-over matches will now count towards the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup 2023 qualification.
 
Well on a positive note Pak will be playing 3 more ODIs against NZ next year which will be part of world cup super league which will count towards WC qualification. 2023 will be the year of 50 overs world cup, while World T20 2022 will also be there so I am expecting a lot of teams including Pak balancing their calendars by adding much more ODIs than they did in 2021 to complete their world cup super league fixtures as well to prepare for the world cup.
 
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The series could have gone ahead as part of the Super League even without DRS had the two boards agreed to do so, but New Zealand were not prepared to play a high-stakes series without the use of the technology. The PCB and the series broadcasters, it is learned, were unable to find an ICC-approved provider for the technology in time for the series.
 
The series could have gone ahead as part of the Super League even without DRS had the two boards agreed to do so, but New Zealand were not prepared to play a high-stakes series without the use of the technology. The PCB and the series broadcasters, it is learned, were unable to find an ICC-approved provider for the technology in time for the series.

Good excuse to play next year with full strength team :))
 
Cricket was played this way for 50+ players before neutral umpires were introduced.

I guess we can declare all the old results void then?

It needed to change coz of lot of criticism due to poor umpiring. So DRS and concept of neutral umpires was brought. And when local umpires used to officiate then Pak was the biggest beneficiary. No DRS with local umpires is a recipe for the victory of local team.
 
So there is no one in Pakistan that knows how to operate DRS technology?

As per some sources the issue is that with the IPL and some other series going around this period the equipment had to be booked in advanced. Even CPL this year is happening without DRS. Yes definitely could have been handled better.

Eng tour of T20s in Pakistan will have DRS as per the sources as it has been timely booked. There is no source or news relating it to Taliban gov in Afg as some have tried to portray here without an proper source.
 
Isin't DRS mandatory for a ICC international match? Would this series results be counted in ICC records?
 
Cricket was played this way for 50+ players before neutral umpires were introduced.

I guess we can declare all the old results void then?

Not void. But if you watch the old matches with home umpires and no DRS then the decisions were often horrendously poor and biased. Most of the English, Australian, New Zealand, Pakistani, Indian umpires et al were compromised and unreliable.

Even though things improved a lot over time with neutral umpires, before the DRS came in there were still plenty of controversial marginal decisions, and a fair few shockers in there as well.

DRS holds all bowlers, batters, and umpires to account brilliantly, and it should be mandatory for every international match: no exceptions.
 
So basically a completely meaningless series since it won't even be included in the ICC Super League, because of lack of DRS.
 
So we just had a full thread with posters blaming everything under the sun except the obvious. Y’all really need to keep cool until the details of things come to light.
 
This did not happen suddenly out of blue. They had lot of time to book in advance for drs but due to unprofessional board they did not handle it.
What's even more funny is, nz did not know about it until now. WoW
 
So basically a completely meaningless series since it won't even be included in the ICC Super League, because of lack of DRS.

Now known as a bilateral series.

I guess still good for Pakistan fans and the PCB.
 
Absurd to not have DRS.

But anyways, atleast we have some cricket so I will take that.
 
No points for ICC super league but, will still impact the ODI ranking points. NZ will try to come up with a full strength team next year for the 3 ODIs added as part of the super league.
 
Ramiz not happy with the DRS situation:

“I was also hurt after I got to know this. It is quite a mess and there is no denial on this, I will talk on this and determine who is responsible"
 
Am surprised there are no local operators for this, considering DRS is around since 2008.
Any ways, its not the end of the world if DRS is not available. The umps are competent enough, although being human they will end up making human errors-part of the game.
But PCB and the setup should learn from this and take steps to ensure that they have the facilities avaialble for DRS, come another big series.
 
Pathetic really - you’re trying to promote cricket in your country and can’t have one of this most basic requirements covered?

If people aren’t willing to come, spend some damn money and get them trained up. It’s a bit of configuration. Hardly rocket science
 
It's 2021. DRS should be a basic requirement for any match between 2 Test playing nations, just as the cricket ball is a basic requirement.
 
How many people/crews are there who know how to operate DRS? From what I read, the IPL has employed 3 sets of DRS crew. Is that all there are? No one else?

I mean the IPL does pay 3-4 times more, but still they are losing out on revenue. Should they not be training more people?
 
Seems like DRS non-availability is a global crisis!

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Cricket Australia has abandoned plans to bring the Decision Review System into the Big Bash this summer due to the complexities of getting technology operators across international and state borders.

Big Bash officials were planning to introduce a version of the DRS for the first time this year but the requirement to get government exemptions for up to 15 UK-based operators to enter Australia and then move them and their equipment around the country has proven to be too great a logistical challenge.

The league has also opted against implementing a basic review system using only television replays due to concerns about decisions being made based on inconclusive evidence.

Players were told the news on Sunday.

The decision comes amid a global shortage of DRS technology operators due to a cluttered calendar, including the rescheduled Indian Premier League, and complexities of travel. The DRS was not used in the recent Australia-India women's series for similar logistical reasons, while the planned men's series between Pakistan and New Zealand last month – which was ultimately cancelled due to security reasons – was also set to go ahead without the DRS.

Ball-tracking technology, which requires several cameras placed at various points around a venue, takes at least 24 hours to set-up and needs specialised operators to calibrate before it can be used in a match. There are no qualified operators based in Australia.

Given multiple Big Bash games are sometimes played on the same day at different venues, and with the significant travel involved across the country, technology providers say the tournament would be one of the most complicated in the world to cover, even in normal circumstances.

Despite this and the multi-million dollar price tag, Alistair Dobson, CA's Head of Big Bash Leagues, said plans had been made to bring in the DRS this season, but they were abandoned due to the ongoing uncertainty around Australia's borders.

"With the need to bring anywhere up to 10 or 15 extra people from the UK to operate it and move that level of additional cameras and infrastructure around the country ... it just got to a point where we couldn't reliably be clear that we could do all 61 games in a way the competition would warrant," Dobson told cricket.com.au.

"It's a combination of people, technology, time and set up. Introducing that in a normal year for the first time will be a challenging project, so to overlay all the other issues we're dealing with, it's just a step too far.

"There are times in the BBL season where we've probably had four or five different venues (in use) over the course of 48 hours.

"And then you overlay (the fact that broadcasters) Seven and Fox have different technology providers, so then you're trying to work through who's the broadcaster and which technology provider is going to be in place for this game.

"You can see the complexity builds pretty quickly.

"We have a clear intention of bringing something in that works for the BBL and the WBBL in the future, and we will now turn our attention to what that looks like next year."

The DRS will be used in the men's Ashes this season, which is an easier logistical operation given the series is scheduled to use only five venues and matches are played over five days, with gaps of up to six days in between. CA has also flagged their plans to use the DRS for the multi-format women's Ashes, starting in January.

Fox Cricket's general manager, Matt Weiss, indicated on social media last week that DRS operators needed last-minute government exemptions to run the system during last summer's Test series against India, underlining the complexities involved even at the highest level.

The BBL is an outlier among other domestic T20 leagues, with the DRS used previously in the IPL and the Hundred as well as tournaments in Pakistan, the Caribbean and Bangladesh.

Dobson said the league considered implementing a basic review system using only television replays, but warned that could produce unintended consequences, such as those that arise in international cricket when third umpires attempt to judge fair catches using only broadcast vision.

With officials keen to reduce the duration of games this season, another concern was the length of time it would take for a third umpire to watch multiple inconclusive replays of an incident in an effort to make a correct decision.

"Once you eliminate virtual technology like ball-tracking, and probably even snicko to a degree, you are narrowing it down to a very small category of dismissal that you can actually review and the video replay would pick up," Dobson said.

"So then it just becomes an equation ... of what's the benefit of that as opposed to the unintended or flow-on consequences.

"It's just about being very clear on what you're trying to solve and by solving it in a certain way, are you then creating other issues that you hadn't intended?"

A technology-free version of the DRS was used in the domestic one-day cup a decade ago but was quickly scrapped amid player uproar that on-field decisions were being reversed based on inconclusive evidence.

However, that system differed in that players were not able to challenge on-field decisions and the third official would make the call to review an umpire's ruling.

The Weber WBBL begins on Thursday in Tasmania, where the first 20 matches of the season will be played, and Dobson's team will now turn their attention to the schedule for the men's tournament, which is slated to begin on December 5.

He conceded there may be forced changes to the current BBL schedule, but he is optimistic that matches will be played all around the country, including in Western Australia, despite that state's strict border policy.

"We're following borders and vaccination rates ... as closely as anyone and trying to understand or somewhat predict what the country might look like in December and build a schedule accordingly, if in fact we need to change it," he said.

"That said, we're really optimistic about playing games in front of all the teams' home crowds.

"There are opportunities to play games in Perth at some point. We're very confident of that and optimistic about that, whether it's early in the competition or throughout. That's what we're working on now."

Dobson also confirmed the Power Surge, Bash Boost and X-Factor regulations that were trialed last summer would be retained in the men's competition this season, but won't be used for the WBBL.

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/bbl...res-travel-borders-alastair-dobson/2021-10-11
 
^ Snicko and the technology to allow umpires to check front foot no balls one each delivery also isn't available for the Ashes. So it seems as if this is a widespread issue within the game.
 
^ Snicko and the technology to allow umpires to check front foot no balls one each delivery also isn't available for the Ashes. So it seems as if this is a widespread issue within the game.

This is so ridiculous. So much money in the game, and yet even in the sport’s flagship legendary series there is inconsistent and failing technology usage within the DRS.
 
This is so ridiculous. So much money in the game, and yet even in the sport’s flagship legendary series there is inconsistent and failing technology usage within the DRS.

More on this:

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/drs-emerges-as-another-front-in-our-covid-border-wars-20211210-p59gnh.html

A little less than a decade ago, a Test match between Australia and the West Indies at Queen’s Park Oval in Trinidad was delayed for 20 minutes in bright sunshine because a power outage meant that it could not be broadcast.

While things have not been quite as extreme as that at the Gabba, there has been a constant tension between the expectations of cricket’s oldest and most lavishly broadcast contest and the realities of Australia’s COVID-19 border wars.

Put another way: if Real-time Snicko isn’t there to hear it, does Josh Hazlewood actually catch the edge?

The moment in which Dawid Malan wafted uncertainly at Hazlewood, the ball passed perilously close to the bottom of the bat, and the Australians appealed with rather more urgency than optimism, summed up the conflict. Malan’s subsequent courageous partnership with Joe Root, pulling England back into the game, only added to its intrigue.

Ever since the 2013-14 Ashes series, Real-time Snicko - or RTS - has been part of the suite of technical aids available to the umpires to decide whether a noise has come from bat, pad or elsewhere.

Of the players contesting the Gabba Test, fewer than half - Australia’s captain Pat Cummins, Nathan Lyon, David Warner, Steve Smith and Mitchell Starc, and England’s captain Root and Chris Woakes - have played Test cricket for long enough to know what that’s like.

Another squad member, Usman Khawaja, was victim of a “howler” during the preceding Ashes series in England when RTS showed he had got nowhere near a Graeme Swann off-break at Old Trafford. When the technology was added, Root was given out caught behind off the bowling of Shane Watson on RTS evidence alone.

This is all to say that players on both sides of an Ashes battle, and match officials caught in between them, have become conditioned to certain things, and certain aids to a decision.

That was very clear from the miffed responses of Hazlewood, Cummins, Smith and others when no clear verdict could be given for the Malan referral. A skerrick of a white dot could, perhaps, be seen on HotSpot, the infra-red camera device that had been considered a cure-all before RTS was introduced. But without backup clarification, the third umpire Paul Wilson was unmoved.

And as much as players, officials, spectators and television viewers have become used to playing Ashes cricket with no technical stone unturned, these additions to broadcasts and umpiring decisions do not come easy. Especially when Australia’s state governments are exerting their sovereignty to degrees not seen since federation.

Fox Cricket, the host broadcaster of men’s international matches in Australia, would typically have a production and technical crew of about 100 operators at the Gabba. But for this match, the group has been shaved down to 30, many of them operating under the strictest quarantine conditions.

Specialist operators of technology like ball-tracking and RTS have been restricted to moving only between their accommodation and the Gabba itself. These conditions were flagged as a possible problem area some months before the coin toss, but Brisbane was never likely to lose the game.

So when issues arose in the syncing between the pictures and the audio from the stump microphones - the two components used to build the RTS images - there was no option to seek help from outside this tight bubble. RTS should be back in time for the second Test in Adelaide.

The same was true of the third-party technology used to tell the third umpire Wilson and his technical assistant that a no-ball has been bowled, in a manner not a million miles removed from Monty Python’s machine “that goes bing”.

Unable to get it working, the officials informed the teams that no-balls would only be checked in the event of a wicket, much to Ben Stokes’ chagrin. Here, again, was something that takes more than one bit of adjustment.

But the rush of information and comprehension required at the start of a Test series, particularly one taking place amid so many additional COVID protocols and fewer technical operators than usual, has taken its toll in a few ways this week: just look at Rory Burns’ feet.

Nick Hockley, the Cricket Australia chief executive, termed the scale of an Ashes Test as follows when he explained why Western Australia and its hard border had lost the fifth Test: “In the end, delivering a Test match is a massive logistical endeavour, a major event, five days, a huge number of production personnel.”

Imagine, then, a 20-minute delay in bright sunshine as happened back in Trinidad due to a power outage, and the sort of storm it would have caused in the middle of an Ashes Test in Brisbane. For the vast behind-the-scenes crew who now deal in Australia versus England contests, this has been an exercise in doing their best in difficult circumstances.

To quote True Blue, the John Williamson drawl so beloved of Steve Waugh and Justin Langer: Will you tie it up with wire, Just to keep the show on the road ...
 
Load Shedding?

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A power failure at the Gabba stadium halted global broadcast coverage of the Ashes series between England and Australia early on day four of the first test in Brisbane on Saturday.

“There has been a power issue affecting the broadcast compound at the Gabba, resulting in the world feed going down and all resulting technology not working,” a Cricket Australia spokesman said.


“The issue is being worked on with the aim to get everything working as soon as possible.”
Coverage resumed after about half an hour’s interruption.

A CA spokesman also confirmed all DRS technology was unavailable, leaving the game to the on-field umpires during the period.

The big screens at the stadium were also down during the outage.

A litany of technical issues have plagued the opening match of cricket’s most enduring rivalry.

Broadcasters reported on Thursday that the equipment used by the third umpire to check the front foot for no balls had broken down.

The RTS ‘Snicko’ technology, which gauges noise from batting nicks to help the third umpire judge catch decisions, has also been unavailable for the test due to COVID-19 “border restrictions”, CA said.

https://indianexpress.com/article/s...at-gabba-halts-global-ashes-coverage-7667013/
 
Thankfully - Pakistan v Australia series will be done better!

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The High-Definition broadcast coverage includes 28 cameras, which along with buggy cam will embellish the viewing experience of the fans within and outside Pakistan. Hawk-Eye and Ultra Edge will be part of the Decision Review System (DRS) Technology.
 
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