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No Maccabi Tel Aviv fans allowed at Villa match - Is the ban fair?

Honestly, I'm fed up with how every single time they cry - Anti-Semitism like the boy who cried wolf.

If Macabi Tel Aviv didn't have fans who behaved like hoooligans and if they didn't chant genocidal things, they would have been allowed in.

Maybe these idiots need to sort out their violent fans first.
We live in an Upside Down world where lies are held up as truth, and where accountability is only for those protesting evil not the evildoers.

It's laughable the Government designates Palestine Action as a terrorist group - yet wishes to open the doors to an overtly racist set of fans from a state that sponsors settler terrorism and ethnic cleansing.

Equally laughable is the notion, which some Indians here are pushing, the British Government was pandering to Muslim voters by barring Maccabi Tel Aviv fans when the decision originated not from them but the Police and Safety Advisory Group !

The only vote bank politics occurring here is Starmer, in his typically clumsy way, appeasing the Jewish community after the Manchester synagogue attack.
 
Lift the ban. These Maccabi Tel Aviv fans deserve to have their teeth knocked down their throat in Birmingham. It was promised to them 3000 years ago.
We shouldn’t attack unless for self-defence. So if Maccabi fans are allowed as long as they don’t instigate violence, they should be left well alone and be allowed to enjoy the West Midlands.

However, I don’t believe thugs should be allowed in the country and businesses should have the right to ban baby killers or genocide supporters. They have reputational policies to uphold.
 
In a sports, all fans must have the right to attend. However, due to Islamist threats, police is banning Israeli fans fron attending the match is a telling story about Great Britain. Imagine is muslim fans are banned in some part of the world, you would have played every possible victim card by now.

Remember when the Indian government was refusing to give visas to Pakistani fans and journalists ahead of the World Cup in 2023?
 
Lmao…all these Indians forgetting how they were doing Bhangra after Zainab Abbas was sent back to Pakistan for her tweets about Hindus.

But, the same Indians are fine with Islamophobic and racist chants from their zionist masters.
 
We live in an Upside Down world where lies are held up as truth, and where accountability is only for those protesting evil not the evildoers.

It's laughable the Government designates Palestine Action as a terrorist group - yet wishes to open the doors to an overtly racist set of fans from a state that sponsors settler terrorism and ethnic cleansing.

Equally laughable is the notion, which some Indians here are pushing, the British Government was pandering to Muslim voters by barring Maccabi Tel Aviv fans when the decision originated not from them but the Police and Safety Advisory Group !

The only vote bank politics occurring here is Starmer, in his typically clumsy way, appeasing the Jewish community after the Manchester synagogue attack.

It's an ugly world we live in where every story is getting twisted according to the political narrative you want to spin. If this was just about israeli football fans attending a football match at the Villa football ground, no one would have an issue.

Instead it's become a battleground for the zionist right to genocide and those who protest the genocide.
 
I’ve heard worse chants at football matches than ‘there’s no schools left in gaza’
Both Birmingham and tel aviv fans should be made to travel to Serbia or Milan
Saying that it looks like they more than held their own in Amsterdam which has a strong Moroccan fanbase
 
Even if we assume all the rowdy and sensitive chants come from Israelis and muslims are all innocents, this still doesnt justify the ban or makes what I am saying as false.

Fans do make various chants. Any racism or murderous chants must be dealt with Villa security stuff. That is their headache. However, police has decided to ban them simply because they are aprhenesive of more anti semitic attack like the one we saw a synagogue in Manchester.

So my point still holds true, this ban is due to security threats from Islamists against Jews and not due to some past actions or Israeli fans being racists etc. The impression Khan was slowly peddling in first few posts before I caught his lie.

Only brother @DeadlyVenom has called it right from the begginning.
Lol. They are banned because they are violent thugs. Please have the decency to apologise and say you were wrong.
 
Lol , the tel-aviv derby cancelled today because of danger to lives.

All those crying anti-semitism both here, in government and in mainstream media must be wishing that they didn't open their mouths now.
Oh my!

I hope West Midlands police and Birmingham MPs come on the front foot now.
 
LOL at the effort and mental gymnastics of some posters here. Anyone with basic sense of understanding know why Tel Aviv fans are banned. Everyone knows it, including the left leaning govt.

Anyway, read this...music to my ears
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Support for Reform UK increasing among British Indians, poll shows​


Support for Reform UK among British Indians has tripled since the election, according to polling from a diaspora group that suggests Nigel Farage’s party is gaining ground in some demographics where it has struggled.

Research by the 1928 Institute, a group of Oxford academics who analyse the British Indian community, shows backing for Reform has jumped in the past year from 4% to 13%.

The findings, which are being released to coincide with Diwali, show support for Farage’s party among Britain’s largest minority ethnic community remains well below the national level. But the increase since the election is far higher than the national average, showing Reform is building momentum in communities where it has traditionally struggled.

The report said: “British Indian support for Reform is significantly lower than that of the general UK population. However, there is a strong upwards trend in support.”

British Indians, who form about 3% of the population, are becoming increasingly important swing voters. For decades they were closely allied with the Labour party, which was regarded as being more tolerant of immigrants in the 1960s and 1970s.

But those ties have begun to fray as the community has become more established and its policy priorities have started to tally more closely with those of the rest of the population. Social conservatism among Indian voters and growing nationalism among Hindus in particular have helped drive them further right on the political spectrum, researchers say.



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LOL at the effort and mental gymnastics of some posters here. Anyone with basic sense of understanding know why Tel Aviv fans are banned. Everyone knows it, including the left leaning govt.
Keep digging - you're almost in Australia now.

Lol at this guy.

Macabbi Tel Aviv couldn't even get through the week without getting a match cancelled and you're here coming up with nonsense like you have?
 
Keep digging - you're almost in Australia now.

Lol at this guy.

Macabbi Tel Aviv couldn't even get through the week without getting a match cancelled and you're here coming up with nonsense like you have?
Think logically. They are causing hooliganism in their own country. You dont expect them to do the same in England and that too in Birmingham of all places. As per KKWC (OP) himself, Israeli fans will be found dead on streets if they try to stir up public here. So it is obvious the threat is for Tel Aviv fans from immigrant population of Brummy land. And since this is happening just few days after the synagogue attack, police has no choice but to cancel the match.

Yes everyone is speaking non sense, including prime minister and ruling govt but Pakistanis knows everything.
 
Think logically. They are causing hooliganism in their own country. You dont expect them to do the same in England and that too in Birmingham of all places. As per KKWC (OP) himself, Israeli fans will be found dead on streets if they try to stir up public here. So it is obvious the threat is for Tel Aviv fans from immigrant population of Brummy land. And since this is happening just few days after the synagogue attack, police has no choice but to cancel the match.

Yes everyone is speaking non sense, including prime minister and ruling govt but Pakistanis knows everything.

They will instigate, attack ordinary citizens who are vulnerable, as they always do. You made a fool of yourself not knowing the ban in Bham was due to their past incidents and now you've lost your tongue, this club was banned even in Israel lol
 
They will instigate, attack ordinary citizens who are vulnerable, as they always do. You made a fool of yourself not knowing the ban in Bham was due to their past incidents and now you've lost your tongue, this club was banned even in Israel lol
How do you know? Your word, is it?

You will keep on repeating past incidents which god know when happened but will not speak about the synagogue attack just happened last month or the rising anti semitism in the country.

Stop being bias man...you guys fooling no one anymore. Atleast in Britain.
 
Think logically. They are causing hooliganism in their own country. You dont expect them to do the same in England and that too in Birmingham of all places. As per KKWC (OP) himself, Israeli fans will be found dead on streets if they try to stir up public here. So it is obvious the threat is for Tel Aviv fans from immigrant population of Brummy land. And since this is happening just few days after the synagogue attack, police has no choice but to cancel the match.

Yes everyone is speaking non sense, including prime minister and ruling govt but Pakistanis knows everything.

Nope. They caused mass riots in Amsterdam. That has to come in to the equation. These extremists have a tainted record.
 
How do you know? Your word, is it?

You will keep on repeating past incidents which god know when happened but will not speak about the synagogue attack just happened last month or the rising anti semitism in the country.

Stop being bias man...you guys fooling no one anymore. Atleast in Britain.

Rising anti semitism?

Mass people who are Protesting in a democracy regarding the Genocide are white Brits lol
 
How do you know? Your word, is it?

You will keep on repeating past incidents which god know when happened but will not speak about the synagogue attack just happened last month or the rising anti semitism in the country.

Stop being bias man...you guys fooling no one anymore. Atleast in Britain.

You denied this was part of the West Mids Police decision making but the greatest debator in India still wants to continue? lol

See the police reports of Amsterdam and see the police pointing to this incident. Its not hard even for a child debater.
:sachin
 
Think logically. They are causing hooliganism in their own country. You dont expect them to do the same in England and that too in Birmingham of all places. As per KKWC (OP) himself, Israeli fans will be found dead on streets if they try to stir up public here. So it is obvious the threat is for Tel Aviv fans from immigrant population of Brummy land. And since this is happening just few days after the synagogue attack, police has no choice but to cancel the match.

Yes everyone is speaking non sense, including prime minister and ruling govt but Pakistanis knows everything.
As I said keep digging - you're almost in Sydney.

"They are causing hooliganism in their own country." So is Amsterdam now part of Greater Israel?

 
LOL at the effort and mental gymnastics of some posters here. Anyone with basic sense of understanding know why Tel Aviv fans are banned. Everyone knows it, including the left leaning govt.

Anyway, read this...music to my ears
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Support for Reform UK increasing among British Indians, poll shows​


Support for Reform UK among British Indians has tripled since the election, according to polling from a diaspora group that suggests Nigel Farage’s party is gaining ground in some demographics where it has struggled.

Research by the 1928 Institute, a group of Oxford academics who analyse the British Indian community, shows backing for Reform has jumped in the past year from 4% to 13%.

The findings, which are being released to coincide with Diwali, show support for Farage’s party among Britain’s largest minority ethnic community remains well below the national level. But the increase since the election is far higher than the national average, showing Reform is building momentum in communities where it has traditionally struggled.

The report said: “British Indian support for Reform is significantly lower than that of the general UK population. However, there is a strong upwards trend in support.”

British Indians, who form about 3% of the population, are becoming increasingly important swing voters. For decades they were closely allied with the Labour party, which was regarded as being more tolerant of immigrants in the 1960s and 1970s.

But those ties have begun to fray as the community has become more established and its policy priorities have started to tally more closely with those of the rest of the population. Social conservatism among Indian voters and growing nationalism among Hindus in particular have helped drive them further right on the political spectrum, researchers say.



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Brother zia at Reform will welcome the 13% with open arms.
 
LOL at the effort and mental gymnastics of some posters here. Anyone with basic sense of understanding know why Tel Aviv fans are banned. Everyone knows it, including the left leaning govt.

Anyway, read this...music to my ears
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Support for Reform UK increasing among British Indians, poll shows​


Support for Reform UK among British Indians has tripled since the election, according to polling from a diaspora group that suggests Nigel Farage’s party is gaining ground in some demographics where it has struggled.

Research by the 1928 Institute, a group of Oxford academics who analyse the British Indian community, shows backing for Reform has jumped in the past year from 4% to 13%.

The findings, which are being released to coincide with Diwali, show support for Farage’s party among Britain’s largest minority ethnic community remains well below the national level. But the increase since the election is far higher than the national average, showing Reform is building momentum in communities where it has traditionally struggled.

The report said: “British Indian support for Reform is significantly lower than that of the general UK population. However, there is a strong upwards trend in support.”

British Indians, who form about 3% of the population, are becoming increasingly important swing voters. For decades they were closely allied with the Labour party, which was regarded as being more tolerant of immigrants in the 1960s and 1970s.

But those ties have begun to fray as the community has become more established and its policy priorities have started to tally more closely with those of the rest of the population. Social conservatism among Indian voters and growing nationalism among Hindus in particular have helped drive them further right on the political spectrum, researchers say.



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It's music to my ears as well as it confirms what I have said for many years now. Indians are the biggest bootlickers of the white race in Britain.
 
So beating people up in Amsterdam or destroying private property or chanting ‘Death to Arabs’ had nothing to do with it right? BTW, that is violent speech, and under U.K. law is an offence for which someone can be arrested, including tourists.
 
LOL at the effort and mental gymnastics of some posters here. Anyone with basic sense of understanding know why Tel Aviv fans are banned. Everyone knows it, including the left leaning govt.

Anyway, read this...music to my ears
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Support for Reform UK increasing among British Indians, poll shows​


Support for Reform UK among British Indians has tripled since the election, according to polling from a diaspora group that suggests Nigel Farage’s party is gaining ground in some demographics where it has struggled.

Research by the 1928 Institute, a group of Oxford academics who analyse the British Indian community, shows backing for Reform has jumped in the past year from 4% to 13%.

The findings, which are being released to coincide with Diwali, show support for Farage’s party among Britain’s largest minority ethnic community remains well below the national level. But the increase since the election is far higher than the national average, showing Reform is building momentum in communities where it has traditionally struggled.

The report said: “British Indian support for Reform is significantly lower than that of the general UK population. However, there is a strong upwards trend in support.”

British Indians, who form about 3% of the population, are becoming increasingly important swing voters. For decades they were closely allied with the Labour party, which was regarded as being more tolerant of immigrants in the 1960s and 1970s.

But those ties have begun to fray as the community has become more established and its policy priorities have started to tally more closely with those of the rest of the population. Social conservatism among Indian voters and growing nationalism among Hindus in particular have helped drive them further right on the political spectrum, researchers say.



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Doesn’t mean anything if you look at the overall UK population, the majority still wouldn’t vote for Farage.
 
It's music to my ears as well as it confirms what I have said for many years now. Indians are the biggest bootlickers of the white race in Britain.

21st Century. Western country. Brown immigrant. Islamic descent. Claiming there will be "deaths" in Birmingham.

Should be sent on a one-way flight to Algeria. Doesn't matter how loud the "God save the King" chant is.
 
Interesting you went so far as to find a tweet from Paul Golding from 2023 @Champ_Pal Bhai.

Find a two year tweet from a far right woman beater and sex attacker about a mysognist molvi to justify your support for football hooligans is a really tangled web :kp
Hooliganism is common for drunk football fans. One is done in inebriated state and the other, you know what it is…

Whether I found a tweet from 2023 or not is immaterial. What it shows is the radical nutters giving speeches to hundreds of people in mosques who can be influenced by the Moulvis views. It’s better to cancel the game than try to find out what these loonies can do🙄
 
Indian one sided love for Israel never gets old 😂

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Whether this screenshot is legit or not it paints a very telling picture… just look at the usual Kumars fighting tooth and nail for their Zionist bosses in this thread 🤣
 
The Hadd punishments for theft, adultery, etc. require stringent evidence. For example, adultery requires 4 eye witnesses to have witnessed the actual penetration. This is practically impossible unless it was done in public. The whole point is to prevent such behaviour as it causes societal issues over time.

Similarly, theft is only punished if committed with malicious intent and things such as hardship, poverty, hunger, etc. are not punishable as the fault then lies with the government for not providing for its population.

These are deterrents to prevent such behaviour and like most legal systems, the punishment is harsher than reality. In practical reality, each case is reviewed on its own merit by an independent judiciary and Islam forbids vigilantism. You can’t just go around killing people or chopping their hands off.

The profit SAW has even said to avoid applying the Hadd punishments as much as possible and to be lenient in its application and make excuses for people.

So I guess clipping some videos without the nuance and context is what islamaphobes do. If you want to really critique it, have a debate with an actual scholar.
 
Indian one sided love for Israel never gets old 😂

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Whether this screenshot is legit or not it paints a very telling picture… just look at the usual Kumars fighting tooth and nail for their Zionist bosses in this thread 🤣
Who Indians support is their wish. As long as they are not concocting plans to execute brutal punishments and plans to take over a nation, it’s all fine. We all have our favorites.👍

Any opinions on the videos I posted? :mv
 
Who Indians support is their wish. As long as they are not concocting plans to execute brutal punishments and plans to take over a nation, it’s all fine. We all have our favorites.👍

Any opinions on the videos I posted? :mv

The only people taking over the nation are the very same people committing the genocide and ethnic cleansing and you seem to be the supporter of that as Hindu and atheist, quite confusing.
 
Who Indians support is their wish. As long as they are not concocting plans to execute brutal punishments and plans to take over a nation, it’s all fine. We all have our favorites.👍

Any opinions on the videos I posted? :mv
There are Indians that support Hitler’s views as well. I guess that is ok.
 
The only people taking over the nation are the very same people committing the genocide and ethnic cleansing and you seem to be the supporter of that as Hindu and atheist, quite confusing.
Arabs lost the war and lost the land. It has been that way since time immemorial. Not going to discuss further on that.

I see you conveniently did not say anything about the videos I posted. Carry on!!😣
 
Your Moulvi even visited Hitler to discuss how to deal with Jews. Not surprising 🙄
lol one Mufti who fled Jerusalem. He was even appointed by the British and there is no evidence of linking him with the Holocaust. He asked Hitler to issue a public statement supporting Arab independence and opposition to a Jewish national home in Palestine. That was it. After fleeing, he lived in Europe, such as Germany and had little influence over Muslims.
 
Who Indians support is their wish. As long as they are not concocting plans to execute brutal punishments and plans to take over a nation, it’s all fine. We all have our favorites.👍

Any opinions on the videos I posted? :mv
I have responded to your random video postings and uninformed views on Islam.
 
Arabs lost the war and lost the land. It has been that way since time immemorial. Not going to discuss further on that.

I see you conveniently did not say anything about the videos I posted. Carry on!!😣
You conveniently ignoring the genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Almost every one on this thread had placed you where you suppose to be placed after trying to support the genocide and ethnic cleansing, no video will change that.
 
lol one Mufti who fled Jerusalem. He was even appointed by the British and there is no evidence of linking him with the Holocaust. He asked Hitler to issue a public statement supporting Arab independence and opposition to a Jewish national home in Palestine. That was it. After fleeing, he lived in Europe, such as Germany and had little influence over Muslims.
On one side Pak posters call Indian posters as lovers of Israel. The. Proceed to call Indians fans of hitler.

Please decide whose fans we are before stamping us with names.🙄👍:vk2
 
Hooliganism is common for drunk football fans. One is done in inebriated state and the other, you know what it is…

Whether I found a tweet from 2023 or not is immaterial. What it shows is the radical nutters giving speeches to hundreds of people in mosques who can be influenced by the Moulvis views. It’s better to cancel the game than try to find out what these loonies can do🙄
Stop it
You've been exposed, badly exposed
 
On one side Pak posters call Indian posters as lovers of Israel. The. Proceed to call Indians fans of hitler.

Please decide whose fans we are before stamping us with names.🙄👍:vk2
I was responding to your dumb post about Indian opinions being ok by you. So I responded sarcastically that ‘some’ also like Hitler, which is true and you gave an example of a Mufti who went to speak to Hitler. I didn’t say all Indians liked Hitler. My point being, we shouldn’t make blanket statements like ‘who Indians like is their wish’ and ‘it’s fine’. Toxic views should be challenged including the Mufti of Jerusalem and your silly view that as long as you win a war and take territory, it’s yours.
 
Hooliganism is common for drunk football fans. One is done in inebriated state and the other, you know what it is…

Whether I found a tweet from 2023 or not is immaterial. What it shows is the radical nutters giving speeches to hundreds of people in mosques who can be influenced by the Moulvis views. It’s better to cancel the game than try to find out what these loonies can do🙄
Nah it shows you have a hierarchy of racial nutters.

White wife beater who's tweet you shared is fine
Jewish hooligan who walk around with mannequin dolls of babies being hung is fine
Random Molvi making crazy statements two years ago is end of the world.
 
If Pakistani's can love Palestine why cant Indians love Israel?
Not all Indians love Israel. There are a lot of Indians who detest Israel.

There will also be Pakistanis who support Israel, though this will be a minority.

But why don’t you tell us, if you love Israel or not and we can then label you a genocide supporter if you do.
 
I'd be surprised if you didn't...
Afterall you're both extremist Zionist states with a terrorist leader at the helm
The biggest terrorists and extremists are Islamists. I know you will never agree to it, however that is the truth. If you catalogue the amount of atrocities they have committed around the world...no other community comes close. So lets give this extremists and terrorists jibe at others a break as something like that coming from you you guys are laughable irony.

Just answer this - why can Pakistanis support Palestine and if Indians show their support towards Israel, that is bad?
 
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@Champ_Pal thinks this is ok because the fans may be inebriated.

and his happy to post two year tweets from this racist guy on unrelated issues, because he bashes muslims



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Honestly the lengths you guys go to is laughable, you pick the weirdest topics to take a stand on.
 
Not all Indians love Israel. There are a lot of Indians who detest Israel.

There will also be Pakistanis who support Israel, though this will be a minority.

But why don’t you tell us, if you love Israel or not and we can then label you a genocide supporter if you do.
Trump supports Israel...whom your Prime Minister openly buttering on stage and nominating him for peace prize. Go and label him first before lecturing us.


Jao Pehle Uss aadmi ka sign leke aao...jisne Trump ke saath khi khi kha kha kiya

Jao Pehle Uss aadmi ka sign leke aao....jisne Trump ko peace prize dene ka waada kiya

Jao pehle Uss aadmi ka sign leke aao....jisne Gaza peace plan ko success maana aur indirectly Israel ko recognize kiya

Uske baad mere bhai....you can label me anything.


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The biggest terrorists and extremists are Islamists. I know you will never agree to it, however that is the truth. If you catalogue the amount of atrocities they have committed around the world...no other community comes close. So lets give this extremists and terrorists jibe at others a break as something like that coming from you you guys are laughable irony.

Just answer this - why can Pakistanis support Palestine and if Indians show their support towards Israel, that is bad?
A really loaded statement. Islamist is a made up word by combining Islam with extreme to make it sound bad. It basically means a political movement wanting to apply principles based on Islam. Not all Islamists are terrorists or extreme.

Global deaths from terrorism has fallen in recent years and far right nationalism has increased with more terrorist events being carried out by these groups. This includes Zionists who are far right ethno nationalists.
 
I was responding to your dumb post about Indian opinions being ok by you. So I responded sarcastically that ‘some’ also like Hitler, which is true and you gave an example of a Mufti who went to speak to Hitler. I didn’t say all Indians liked Hitler. My point being, we shouldn’t make blanket statements like ‘who Indians like is their wish’ and ‘it’s fine’. Toxic views should be challenged including the Mufti of Jerusalem and your silly view that as long as you win a war and take territory, it’s yours.
Exactly. Toxic views should be challenged. Finally someone on PP agrees with me. 👍

Grabbing land after winning war is all over our human history. Look at Turkey. Look at all the Islamic empires spanning from India all the way to Spain. You should know that.
 
Trump supports Israel...whom your Prime Minister openly buttering on stage and nominating him for peace prize. Go and label him first before lecturing us.


Jao Pehle Uss aadmi ka sign leke aao...jisne Trump ke saath khi khi kha kha kiya

Jao Pehle Uss aadmi ka sign leke aao....jisne Trump ko peace prize dene ka waada kiya

Jao pehle Uss aadmi ka sign leke aao....jisne Gaza peace plan ko success maana aur indirectly Israel ko recognize kiya

Uske baad mere bhai....you can label me anything.


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Since when did I like Trump and since when is Shehbaz Sharif my PM? I don’t even like my own PM (Keir Starmer), who is also complicit in genocide.

I don’t give a crap about who Trump supports. He’s a nasty individual complicit in the genocide. It’s not hard to be against genocide. If you can’t even do that, your humanity is lost.
 
Trump supports Israel...whom your Prime Minister openly buttering on stage and nominating him for peace prize. Go and label him first before lecturing us.


Jao Pehle Uss aadmi ka sign leke aao...jisne Trump ke saath khi khi kha kha kiya

Jao Pehle Uss aadmi ka sign leke aao....jisne Trump ko peace prize dene ka waada kiya

Jao pehle Uss aadmi ka sign leke aao....jisne Gaza peace plan ko success maana aur indirectly Israel ko recognize kiya

Uske baad mere bhai....you can label me anything.


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It is pot calling kettle black. Their own PM goes and calls Trump the messiah of peace and they lecture Indians here about Palestine cause. 🙄🤡
 
Since when did I like Trump and since when is Shehbaz Sharif my PM? I don’t even like my own PM (Keir Starmer), who is also complicit in genocide.

I don’t give a crap about who Trump supports. He’s a nasty individual complicit in the genocide. It’s not hard to be against genocide. If you can’t even do that, your humanity is lost.
Last I checked Showbozz is Pak pm. You should check it too.
 
Exactly. Toxic views should be challenged. Finally someone on PP agrees with me. 👍

Grabbing land after winning war is all over our human history. Look at Turkey. Look at all the Islamic empires spanning from India all the way to Spain. You should know that.
Hindu atheist crusader.
 
Exactly. Toxic views should be challenged. Finally someone on PP agrees with me. 👍

Grabbing land after winning war is all over our human history. Look at Turkey. Look at all the Islamic empires spanning from India all the way to Spain. You should know that.
How many times must I tell you that we are not living in the Middle Ages. You can’t land grab anymore.

By your logic, if some misfortune befalls India, and someone else takes their land, it belongs to the victor. This is nonsense. Even if Pakistan was the most powerful nation on the planet as a hypothetical, and took Indian territory, it has not right to it. The only right it can have is if there is a referendum where Indians vote to join Pakistan and this is approved by the Indian government and by the UNSC.
 
It is pot calling kettle black. Their own PM goes and calls Trump the messiah of peace and they lecture Indians here about Palestine cause. 🙄🤡
Again with the stupid posts. Sharif is an idiot and licking Trump’s ****. But he’s not openly defending genocide like you are.

Come on man, it’s not difficult to be against genocide. It’s a basic requirement.
 
Yes...especially brother @DeadlyVenom was blushing the other day when Shabaz Shariff was brown nosing Trump. Ask him if I am lying

:kp
Regardless of what leader of a country does, human being is free to make their own decision and has the capacity to think freely.

Anybody relying on Shabaz Sharif, or Modi to help them decide if Gaza is genocide or not, is a moron.

Anybody genuinley supporting the IDF is a moron.
 
Literally on another thread the posters who are wishing Aurangzeb to come back and teach India a lesson are the same ones here asking people to be against genocide. Uufffff.

:dw :kp
 
Literally on another thread the posters who are wishing Aurangzeb to come back and teach India a lesson are the same ones here asking people to be against genocide. Uufffff.

:dw :kp
Neither I nor Deadly Venom have said this. Keep making strawman arguments.

It’s mind boggling that you are an investment banker when even amongst Indians your arguments are childish and stupid. The only person who possibly trumps you is that idiot Devadal.
 
Soon, Hindutva atheists will be saying things like, Slavery should be normalized, after all, the colonizers conquered the land, so people of color should serve them.

Truly a clownish cult.
 
How many times must I tell you that we are not living in the Middle Ages. You can’t land grab anymore.

By your logic, if some misfortune befalls India, and someone else takes their land, it belongs to the victor. This is nonsense. Even if Pakistan was the most powerful nation on the planet as a hypothetical, and took Indian territory, it has not right to it. The only right it can have is if there is a referendum where Indians vote to join Pakistan and this is approved by the Indian government and by the UNSC.

By @Champ_Pal's logic, native Americans should be able to kick him out of USA since native Americans are the original inhabitants of the land. :yk

Logics of the sanghis tend to be very stupid. :inti

Also, these current Israeli Jews are primarily Europeans. They are not natives of Middle East. Founder of Zionism wasn't even a religious Jew. Most of Israel's Jews aren't also practicing Jews.
 
By @Champ_Pal's logic, native Americans should be able to kick him out of USA since native Americans are the original inhabitants of the land. :yk

Logics of the sanghis tend to be very stupid. :inti

Also, these current Israeli Jews are primarily Europeans. They are not natives of Middle East. Founder of Zionism wasn't even a religious Jew. Most of Israel's Jews aren't also practicing Jews.
60% of current Israeli Jews are natives of the Middle East. Around 40% are European.

These Middle Eastern Jews are mostly from surrounding countries such as Iraq, Iran, Syria, Egypt, North Africa, etc. However, your point stands that they have no claim to Palestine itself unless they have been living on the land continuously like the Arabs of the Levant for thousands of years and some have but very few. 2,000 years of separation does not give anyone a claim to the land, whether they are European Jews or Moroccan Jews.

What’s interesting is that the Middle Eastern Jews are actually bigger Zionists than even the Ashkanazi. They hate Arabs more. Probably all that baggage from having to live on Arab lands before they migrated to Israel.

The white Israelis have historically also been racist against them. For example, there have never been a non white Israeli PM of Israel, even though the Middle Eastern Jews outnumber them.
 
By @Champ_Pal's logic, native Americans should be able to kick him out of USA since native Americans are the original inhabitants of the land. :yk

Logics of the sanghis tend to be very stupid. :inti

Also, these current Israeli Jews are primarily Europeans. They are not natives of Middle East. Founder of Zionism wasn't even a religious Jew. Most of Israel's Jews aren't also practicing Jews.
60% of current Israeli Jews are natives of the Middle East. Around 40% are European.

These Middle Eastern Jews are mostly from surrounding countries such as Iraq, Iran, Syria, Egypt, North Africa, etc. However, your point stands that they have no claim to Palestine itself unless they have been living on the land continuously like the Arabs of the Levant for thousands of years and some have but very few. 2,000 years of separation does not give anyone a claim to the land, whether they are European Jews or Moroccan Jews.

What’s interesting is that the Middle Eastern Jews are actually bigger Zionists than even the Ashkanazi. They hate Arabs more. Probably all that baggage from having to live on Arab lands before they migrated to Israel.

The white Israelis have historically also been racist against them. For example, there have never been a non white Israeli PM of Israel, even though the Middle Eastern Jews outnumber them.

Another point I want to mention is there were people on that land before even biblical Jews. What if they claim ownerships of the land?

Anyway, Zionism is not a religious project. It is a secular European colonization project; I even call it a demonic project (I think there is a possible connection between Dajjal and Israel).

Founder of Zionism was not a religious Jew. Most of Israel's Jews are also not religious. See below:

WIN/Gallup International: Israel one of least religious countries​

63 percent of respondents across the globe identified themselves as religious.​


 
Sure.

Ever read about Islamic slavery. :mv

You’re an absolute clown with this Olympic level whataboutery, though, to be fair, nobody needed you to expose yourself, that ship sailed ages ago. You tried hiding behind the “I’m an atheist” mask, but got so giddy mid performance that it slipped right off.

It’s 2025, genius, genocide and ethnic cleansing aren’t “opinions,” they’re crimes. Same category as slavery, in case you missed that memo while juggling hypocrisy and delusion.
 
You’re an absolute clown with this Olympic level whataboutery, though, to be fair, nobody needed you to expose yourself, that ship sailed ages ago. You tried hiding behind the “I’m an atheist” mask, but got so giddy mid performance that it slipped right off.

It’s 2025, genius, genocide and ethnic cleansing aren’t “opinions,” they’re crimes. Same category as slavery, in case you missed that memo while juggling hypocrisy and delusion.
India never had slavery. The only slaves in India were the African ones brought to India by the great Mughals. We can still find them in Gujarat and Maharashtra.

Just because it is 2025, you want victors to give up the land they won? You are the joker. Tell your Turkic friends to give up Anatolia and go back to central asia and Mongolia where they belong riding on their horses wearing feathers and woolen garments.

Before you call someone clowns, you have to look at your own civilization. It is littered with everything you accuse others of without evidence. :dw :rolleyes: :mv
 
Another point I want to mention is there were people on that land before even biblical Jews. What if they claim ownerships of the land?

Anyway, Zionism is not a religious project. It is a secular European colonization project; I even call it a demonic project (I think there is a possible connection between Dajjal and Israel).

Founder of Zionism was not a religious Jew. Most of Israel's Jews are also not religious. See below:

WIN/Gallup International: Israel one of least religious countries​

63 percent of respondents across the globe identified themselves as religious.​


Exactly. To the victors go the spoils of war. You should know the word Maal-e-Ghanimat.

If you do not want to give up your land, get ready to fight. Crying is not the answer. Islamic Turkic people have ruled India for 700 yrs. They were occupiers and expansionists. Indians fight sporadically, but could not dethrone them. Marathas and Sikhs had some success. British managed to Kickout Mughals because of their superior power and tech. Then Indians had to fight British to dethrone them. Some took up arms, some just sat down and showed the other cheek.

This is why every nation needs an army. A proper army that can defend itself. If the army is weal, they should not start wars. Not hard to understand.
 
If Pakistani's can love Palestine why cant Indians love Israel?


for a Muslim, people of his faith are above nationality, creed, race etc etc every cause is shared. i couldn’t care less about Palestinian nationalism or Arab nationalism. I don’t believe in man made constructs like Nationalism to feel ego and pride about.

I don’t care if Palestine is run by Uyghur Muslims.

What I care about is Muslim blood because that is a bond Allah deemed holy for me and my brothers and sisters in Islam. And then ofc, Al Quds aka Jerusalem is of high importance in Islam. And so I care about the illegal occupation and injustice towards the Palestinians in terms of theft of land and forced eviction

Can you say the same being a Hindu in relation to Zionist Jews? Is your identity tied to them like it is for Muslims regardless of race, creed, status, etc? Be honest.
 
for a Muslim, people of his faith are above nationality, creed, race etc etc every cause is shared. i couldn’t care less about Palestinian nationalism or Arab nationalism. I don’t believe in man made constructs like Nationalism to feel ego and pride about.

I don’t care if Palestine is run by Uyghur Muslims.

What I care about is Muslim blood because that is a bond Allah deemed holy for me and my brothers and sisters in Islam. And then ofc, Al Quds aka Jerusalem is of high importance in Islam. And so I care about the illegal occupation and injustice towards the Palestinians in terms of theft of land and forced eviction

Can you say the same being a Hindu in relation to Zionist Jews? Is your identity tied to them like it is for Muslims regardless of race, creed, status, etc? Be honest.
Your reasoning can be anything but my question still remains the same - if Pakistanis can openly support Palestine, why is it a crime if Indians support Israel? Ever wondered they can have their own reason too?

Now I know for a fact that all Indians don't support Israel and there are lots of support for Palestine as well. I myself don't support the meaningless killing that Israel does. However that is beyond the point. If someone choses to support Israel, be in X or anywhere, they have all the right to do so IMO.
 
India never had slavery. The only slaves in India were the African ones brought to India by the great Mughals. We can still find them in Gujarat and Maharashtra.

Just because it is 2025, you want victors to give up the land they won? You are the joker. Tell your Turkic friends to give up Anatolia and go back to central asia and Mongolia where they belong riding on their horses wearing feathers and woolen garments.

Before you call someone clowns, you have to look at your own civilization. It is littered with everything you accuse others of without evidence. :dw :rolleyes: :mv
Interestingly Indian slavery before the Arab conquest is very similar to Islamic slavery and neither are at all like the slavery in the US.

We keep going around in circles here. The Turks took Anatolia before the modern rules based order was established. Same with the Arab conquest of India and Byzantine and Persia.

The difference is that modern day people of Anatolia call themselves Turks and accept themselves as being part of that culture. Same with the Muslims of Pakistan who while not calling themselves Arabs are happy to be Muslims or Egyptians who claim Arab ancestry.

Palestinians on the other hand don’t accept themselves as Israeli or Zionist nor do they accept Israelis taking their land, post a rules based order.
 
Are you referring to slavery post Rashidun period or during Rashidun period? Or are you referring to what Islam says about slavery?
Maybe he’s talking about the Delhi sultanate
Or the India Rajas who played subservient to their royal peers until Muslims from UP granted them freedom
 
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