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"No player will be selected in T20Is who doesn't have strike rate of 130-135+": Shahid Afridi

Shahid Afridi speaking on TV:

"No player will be selected in T20Is who does not have a 130 to 135 plus strike rate"
 
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About time

Pakistan plays the worst brand of T20 batting epitomised by its opening pair!
 
All domestic players will now score 10 runs of 2 balls and get out.
 
We might be struggling to field a team if this happens :)
 
In that basis, Pakistan top order of Babar, Rizwan and Shan do not merit a place?
 
Can someone list the players in Pakistan who meet this criteria...

It will tough to field a team at this rate.
 
Concerned said:
In that basis, Pakistan top order of Babar, Rizwan and Shan do not merit a place?
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Only in Post Mickey era would players like these guys warrant all top 3 spots!

Most rubbish era of white ball cricket in our history!!
 
Every day a new statement.
Loving this daily new comedy show "Late Night with Shahid Afridi".
 
Ashmal said:
Can someone list the players in Pakistan who meet this criteria...

It will tough to field a team at this rate.
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That’s why the PSL is before the next T20 series

Multan Sultans arrogance duo need to get their act together
 
I think Rizwan and Shan Masood were hoping to score 40 odd in their own merry way without playing aerial shots in the powerplay and then stamping a claim at national team selection.

Get ready to do some real work now!
 
Afridi needs to tell Javed Afridi to make sure Saim and Harris open the batting for PZ because Babar isn’t going to allow those two to progress.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
So if somone have a strike rate of 134.9 he is out?
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It's 130-135+ but of course point still stands if its 129.9.

At the end of the day, Pakistan domestic isn't exactly filled with high SR players. Even Mohammad Haris T20 career SR sits at just 136.
 
130 s/r we’re acceptable back in 2009 nowadays killer millers etc go at 220 s/r
 
I doubt the selectors will be wedded to a specific number, but good on him for making his intentions clear.

For too long, Babar and Saqlain have overseen a culture where they're content to allow players to sit in comfort zones and achieve meaningless milestones.

Our openers epitomise this statpadding approach while others are forced to take all the risk. Hopefully they'll be brought to task.
 
In a T20 strike rates are definitely important but you also need a good brain on how to mould your innings like how Virat played at the MCG.
Afridi is bringing in some radical changes. Only time will tell if they will work or become a laughing stock.
 
All talk.

Will only believe him when he KICKS out RIZWAN first from the team.

He’s the 2nd most useless guy in T20 and ODI cricket. Plays at a snail’s pace and loves to stats pad. His worthless 40s and 60s cost us a lot as he stops all the momentum at the top.

Babar is one player who you can allow as an anchor, a bit similar to Kohli’s role in the team.

However, others need to be able to absolutely smash the ball and generally score at around 135-140 strike rate. Else, get out.

T20 team needs to be QUICK IN/QUICK OUT (if can’t play your shots against pace/spin).
 
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If afridi and co are only here for the NZ series with no T20s in the schedule then what he says is irrelevant because he said yesterday I have other commitments so won’t be continuing after this series
 
Semi finalists of T20 World Cup in 2021
Asia cup finalists in 2022
Finalists in T20 World Cup in 2022

It was apparent from the Asia Cup that we were missing middle order hitters but no let's just throw away two batters who were consistently in the top 2 to 3 in the world rankings...
 
should play a lot less random t20is, its too easy to rack up numbers against second and third string teams and become undroppable.

should not be playing more than 10 t20is in a non world cup season.
 
IMMY69 said:
Semi finalists of T20 World Cup in 2021
Asia cup finalists in 2022
Finalists in T20 World Cup in 2022

It was apparent from the Asia Cup that we were missing middle order hitters but no let's just throw away two batters who were consistently in the top 2 to 3 in the world rankings...
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Your list shows exactly what’s been our problem.

Statpadding.
Impact-less scoring.

We can’t win tournaments because we have too many accumulators in our top and
Middle order.

Rizwan’s runs are useless.
Shan is useless.

Replace them with someone having actual T20 ability and we might just become a team that can win T20 competitions.

RIZWAN specially, he’s racked up huge numbers.
Ask anyone in the world, he’d not make it into actual top 10 batters in the T20 format.

But he’s ranked in the top3 most likely. Was even number 1. :)))
 
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Hawkeye said:
Your list shows exactly what’s been our problem.

Statpadding.
Impact-less scoring.

We can’t win tournaments because we have too many accumulators in our top and
Middle order.

Rizwan’s runs are useless.
Shan is useless.

Replace them with someone having actual T20 ability and we might just become a team that can win T20 competitions.

RIZWAN specially, he’s racked up huge numbers.
Ask anyone in the world, he’d not make it into actual top 10 batters in the T20 format.

But he’s ranked in the top3 most likely. Was even number 1. :)))
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Except that we've done really well with both Babar and Rizwan in the side.

The issues were not these batters.
I made this point last year and then again in the Asia Cup and during this years World Cup.

You lost two middle order mainstays in Hafeez and Malik and replaced them with two middling all rounders in Khushdil and Nawaz and Ifti Chacha got a long run too. You also had injury to Fakhar Zamman.

Despite not having a settled middle order we still reached the final of two tournaments...

So middle order batting was the big issue followed by the captaincy.
Babar is not a thinking captain and often takes the wrong decision in the field.

Combine the poor captaincy with an inconsistent middle order and thats why most people were saying we over achieved.

We literally lost the final due to scoring 15-20 runs less then what we should have and then Shaheen getting more injured.
Small margins
 
Time to lift the next t20 WC trophy. Rip to all other sides.
 
If you ignore the legend Sharjeel Khan, then you deserve to loose each and every match.
 
Maybe the kick up the behind that some of our batters need perhaps.
 
IMMY69 said:
Semi finalists of T20 World Cup in 2021
Asia cup finalists in 2022
Finalists in T20 World Cup in 2022

It was apparent from the Asia Cup that we were missing middle order hitters but no let's just throw away two batters who were consistently in the top 2 to 3 in the world rankings...
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It was apparent from the T20 World Cup that Babar and Rizwan were total liabilities. Rizwan averaged 25 at SR of 109 while Babar averaged 17 at 93. Babar didn't hit a single six in the entire tournament. Despite these often quoted ICC rankings, based on bashing B and C attacks in meaningless bilateral T20Is (only Pakistan treats them like life and death), they both failed to show up when it mattered.

It was the much maligned middle order that saved the day against South Africa and Bangladesh, helping us qualify from the group. The only time this pair contributed anything of value was in the semi-final against a wayward NZL attack.

As for the Asia Cup - who allowed the RRR to reach 14 vs Sri Lanka in the Final, and who ended up with a lower average and SR than Shahnawaz Dhani ? It was the top ICC ranked pair of Rizwan and Babar respectively.
 
Markhor said:
It was apparent from the T20 World Cup that Babar and Rizwan were total liabilities. Rizwan averaged 25 at SR of 109 while Babar averaged 17 at 93. Babar didn't hit a single six in the entire tournament. Despite these often quoted ICC rankings, based on bashing B and C attacks in meaningless bilateral T20Is (only Pakistan treats them like life and death), they both failed to show up when it mattered.

It was the much maligned middle order that saved the day against South Africa and Bangladesh, helping us qualify from the group. The only time this pair contributed anything of value was in the semi-final against a wayward NZL attack.

As for the Asia Cup - who allowed the RRR to reach 14 vs Sri Lanka in the Final, and who ended up with a lower average and SR than Shahnawaz Dhani ? It was the top ICC ranked pair of Rizwan and Babar respectively.
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I have a lot of respect for you as a poster so on this issue let's agree to disagree.
 
IMMY69 said:
I have a lot of respect for you as a poster so on this issue let's agree to disagree.
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But I'm not giving my opinion - did Babar and Rizwan not average 25 and 17 at SRs of 109 and 93 in the T20 World Cup ?

Did Babar not average 11 at SR of 107 in the Asia Cup ?

How is it fair to only highlight the middle-order failings and ignore the failings of this much vaunted pair ?
 
You can't just look at stats blindly in T20 Cricket. You have to look at range, quality of strokes, does the player have any substantial weaknesses that top quality opposition will counter, also strike rate is useless without a reasonable average.
 
Markhor said:
But I'm not giving my opinion - did Babar and Rizwan not average 25 and 17 at SRs of 109 and 93 in the T20 World Cup ?

Did Babar not average 11 at SR of 107 in the Asia Cup ?

How is it fair to only highlight the middle-order failings and ignore the failings of this much vaunted pair ?
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Very well put.

And tbh, I wasn’t aware they had such horrible stats in the WT20 and Asia Cup.
 
I would have stipulated the requirement to 150 plus. Even your anchor has to be like Kohli where he must bat at a SR of 130-135 and then accelerate to 150 by the end.
 
Savak said:
You can't just look at stats blindly in T20 Cricket. You have to look at range, quality of strokes, does the player have any substantial weaknesses that top quality opposition will counter, also strike rate is useless without a reasonable average.
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Sure.

You look at range of shots and weaknesses.

In the top order, RIZWAN will be the biggest culprit along with Shan.

Can Riz play on the offside? Hardly
Can Riz hit bowlers on the offside? No
Does he has a limited range of shots? Yes
Easy to bog him down? Yes

And that shows in poor strike rate. Sure, combine SR with averages too, but SR has to be above 140.
 
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Bar is too high. May be the evergreen youngster is planning to come out of retirement. Both Sasur and Damad will be superstars of the team.
 
Saim Ayub 142.09
Sharjeel T20i 133 T20 139
Iftikhar 124, 125
Fakhar zaman 129 134
Haris 138 136
Tayab Tahir 139
Qasim Akram 141
Amir Yamin allrounder 139
Haider Ali 126 135
Nawaz 130 125
Omair bin yousuf 136

Few potential players to replace babar Rizwan and shan
 
Hawkeye said:
Sure.

You look at range of shots and weaknesses.

In the top order, RIZWAN will be the biggest culprit along with Shan.

Can Riz play on the offside? Hardly
Can Riz hit bowlers on the offside? No
Does he has a limited range of shots? Yes
Easy to bog him down? Yes

And that shows in poor strike rate. Sure, combine SR with averages too, but SR has to be above 140.
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Does Rizwan win you lots of matches compare to others , Yes.
 
Of the team that played in the World Cup Final, these players have strike rate above 125.

Shadab
Nawaz
M. Harris
H. Rauf
Naseem Shah...

Good Luck!
 
Ami said:
Of the team that played in the World Cup Final, these players have strike rate above 125.

Shadab
Nawaz
M. Harris
H. Rauf
Naseem Shah...

Good Luck!
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That’s the point.

As long as strike rate is not given importance, the statpadders will keep on accumulating runs without any pressure whatsoever.

SR as criteria will:

1. Force current batters to improvise and improve their scoring rate
2. Help scout new talent that conforms to modern standards and scores at a good pace

For far too long our selectors have brushed off new young players who score fast and labelled them as “hacks”.

Ok, we need hacks, strikers, hitters, whatever you call them.

Specially those that can hit the pacers and have an offside game too.
 
Markhor said:
But I'm not giving my opinion - did Babar and Rizwan not average 25 and 17 at SRs of 109 and 93 in the T20 World Cup ?

Did Babar not average 11 at SR of 107 in the Asia Cup ?

How is it fair to only highlight the middle-order failings and ignore the failings of this much vaunted pair ?
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See I don't want to call you stupid or a numpty because I know you're not one.
You can throw statistics but I actually watched the games and yes of course they failed but I also know that they were not the sole reason for the failure.
They carried the batting order for an extended period of time and when they started to fail there was no one there to pick up the baton.

You could see the pressure building on them with each game.
It was Babar and/or Rizwan or nothing.

Yes the middle order finally came to the party in the World Cup and yes Babar should not be captain, but I do not agree that the failures were all down to their batting. It's a team game and you have to have others contributing consistently otherwise when your main players stops sscoribt the whole team flops.

I'm sorry but no argument, stats or anything else, is going to change my mind over those two and how crucial they have been in our T20 side. If that makes me fool then so be it
 
Let's see if Afridi sticks to this criteria.

Is he brave enough to drop both Babar and Rizwan from the T20 team...

I hope he does....it may help give a much needed reality-check to some.
 
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Rana said:
About time

Pakistan plays the worst brand of T20 batting epitomised by its opening pair!
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Hilariously, Sharjeel’s s/r in the national t20 competition was 125. Clearly doesn’t make the cut given Afridi’s attacking requirements
 
KingOfPakBreakfast said:
Hilariously, Sharjeel’s s/r in the national t20 competition was 125. Clearly doesn’t make the cut given Afridi’s attacking requirements
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We will let Winston Wolf lala decide who is the T20 player and who isn’t

He would know, he won us a T20i World Cup and was also the player of the tournament of another
 
This is a very good idea from Shahid and will hopefully move players away from thinking about averages and make them worry about strike rates.
 
Hawkeye said:
That’s the point.

As long as strike rate is not given importance, the statpadders will keep on accumulating runs without any pressure whatsoever.

SR as criteria will:

1. Force current batters to improvise and improve their scoring rate
2. Help scout new talent that conforms to modern standards and scores at a good pace

For far too long our selectors have brushed off new young players who score fast and labelled them as “hacks”.

Ok, we need hacks, strikers, hitters, whatever you call them.

Specially those that can hit the pacers and have an offside game too.
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Point number 1 is key.

I think babar for example can average 28-30 at a 140 SR but he is happy to average 40 at a 125 SR because our current approach over values batting averages in T20.
 
Rana said:
We will let Winston Wolf lala decide who is the T20 player and who isn’t

He would know, he won us a T20i World Cup and was also the player of the tournament of another
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Being a good player and being good at identifying talent are two very different things. Michael Jordan, the greatest basketball player to ever play the game has been an absolute disaster as an owner of Charlotte Hornets since 2010 and a horrific judge of talent.
 
Yes you reached the WC Final with some stupid strategy, lets ditch that all.

I cant wait to watch the circus.
 
gazza619 said:
Yes you reached the WC Final with some stupid strategy, lets ditch that all.

I cant wait to watch the circus.
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Brilliant strategy to lose against Zimbabwe and hoping for Netherlands to beat South Africa
 
For the very first time, domestic tournaments will be selection-centric. I have previously posted how we can set small achievable targets for domestic players to get wildcard entry into the national team (e.g. best economy, pace allrounder, 130+ SR). But will this capitalist selection approach work with the socialist departmental cricket structure?
 
Afridi is a classic example of talking without thinking.

Technically he's saying that he will not select the captain of the Pakistan team in T20Is. :facepalm:
 
shariqnoor said:
Afridi is a classic example of talking without thinking.

Technically he's saying that he will not select the captain of the Pakistan team in T20Is. :facepalm:
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The captain of the Pakistan team is on his way out

So yes
 
Rana said:
The captain of the Pakistan team is on his way out

So yes
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I guess Ben Stokes should consider himself very lucky he doesn't play for Pakistan. A SR of 128 in T20Is will not cut it for the great saviour Afridi.
 
Hawkeye said:
Your list shows exactly what’s been our problem.

Statpadding.
Impact-less scoring.

We can’t win tournaments because we have too many accumulators in our top and
Middle order.

Rizwan’s runs are useless.
Shan is useless.

Replace them with someone having actual T20 ability and we might just become a team that can win T20 competitions.

RIZWAN specially, he’s racked up huge numbers.
Ask anyone in the world, he’d not make it into actual top 10 batters in the T20 format.

But he’s ranked in the top3 most likely. Was even number 1. :)))
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You missed out the biggest problem, the captain, Babar Azam.

Recall the Asia Cup final. SL were 58/5, what did our captain do? Bring on our chacha bowler. Rest is history.

Recall the WC final. It's at the MCG, largest cricket ground, where strike rotation was key, did our captain encourage or advise the team of a change in approach? No, half the team were caught at mid-off trying to hit a boundary.

The same captain lost a 7 x T20 match series at home, BEFORE the WC in 2022.

Our middle order may have been rubbish, but leadership come from the top and Babar failed us big time.

His captaincy had ZERO impact, other than in losing matches.
 
shariqnoor said:
I guess Ben Stokes should consider himself very lucky he doesn't play for Pakistan. A SR of 128 in T20Is will not cut it for the great saviour Afridi.
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Afridi is right to disqualify players who can’t strike over 130 on the flattest pitches in the world

What’s your issue with this? Our boys are casually doing 110-125 strike rates on the same tracks where the England boys would have a similar strike rate in Test cricket

Stokes in Pakistan would strike over 150
 
Syedd said:
Saim Ayub 142.09
Sharjeel T20i 133 T20 139
Iftikhar 124, 125
Fakhar zaman 129 134
Haris 138 136
Tayab Tahir 139
Qasim Akram 141
Amir Yamin allrounder 139
Haider Ali 126 135
Nawaz 130 125
Omair bin yousuf 136

Few potential players to replace babar Rizwan and shan
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I would picked
Tayab, Qasim, Saim and Omair for batting and of course Haris for wk batsmen.
 
Rana said:
Afridi is right to disqualify players who can’t strike over 130 on the flattest pitches in the world

What’s your issue with this? Our boys are casually doing 110-125 strike rates on the same tracks where the England boys would have a similar strike rate in Test cricket

Stokes in Pakistan would strike over 150
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Rizwan SR in Pakistan: 143.12
Babar SR in Pakistan: 140.71

For both, their favourite place to bat in is Pakistan/England/SA with SR around 140 for both of them.

Babar worst SR have been in Zimbabwe, WI, Bangladesh & Australia. Rizwan's worst is Bangladesh & Australia. Both are around 120 in UAE. These countries are generally lower scoring as reflected in their SR. Their SR are much better in higher scoring countries.
 
MenInG said:
Shahid Afridi speaking on TV:

"No player will be selected in T20Is who does not have a 130 to 135 plus strike rate"

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Finally someone who understand the game
 
People thinking of removing babar from T20s is laughable. Babar will go to domestic tournament and score at 150+ where others are striking at 130s. You can't think of dropping the only world class batsman Pakistan has ATM
 
greatest said:
In a T20 strike rates are definitely important but you also need a good brain on how to mould your innings like how Virat played at the MCG.
Afridi is bringing in some radical changes. Only time will tell if they will work or become a laughing stock.
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Kohli wait too long. The RR was very high when before he hit those difficult sixes off Rauf.
 
shariqnoor said:
I guess Ben Stokes should consider himself very lucky he doesn't play for Pakistan. A SR of 128 in T20Is will not cut it for the great saviour Afridi.
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Rohit Sharma strikes at 129 in IPL. I guess he wont be good for Afridi’s plan either.

What a joker.
 
Sunny_majoka said:
People thinking of removing babar from T20s is laughable. Babar will go to domestic tournament and score at 150+ where others are striking at 130s. You can't think of dropping the only world class batsman Pakistan has ATM
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Bruv he strikes 120 in domestics too
Check his psl record
 
Ok so watching the video,
It's quite clear that Afridi is talking about "domestic" cricket when looking at the strike rates.

That means, Rizwan/Shan sadly aren't going anywhere. They'll look at the strike rate only when picking new players.

As for Babar, yes I agree he needs to improve his strike rate, but he's a class player with a wide range of shots both on the off-side and on the leg-side.

He isn't like the limited Rizwan, who can't bat on the offside or struggles against pace.

So, Babar has to stay.
 
gazza619 said:
Rohit Sharma strikes at 129 in IPL. I guess he wont be good for Afridi’s plan either.

What a joker.
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Brook averages 50+ with SR of 170+
Roy averages 40+ with SR of 140+
Hales 37 with SR of 145+
Munro 35+ with SR of 150
wiese 30+ with SR 170+

This is the mindset afridi is trying to bring in the set up.

Dont know why we havd to follow kohli and sharnas I don't know why india and ipl has to be the benchmark for everything.

BTW these are psl stats same pitches and opponents babar plays yet babar is the best t20 player in the world because he stat pads

I think afridi knows what he's talking about and your the joker not him
 
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emranabbas said:
Brook averages 50+ with SR of 170+
Roy averages 40+ with SR of 140+
Hales 37 with SR of 145+
Munro 35+ with SR of 150
wiese 30+ with SR 170+

This is the mindset afridi is trying to bring in the set up.

Dont know why we havd to follow kohli and sharnas I don't know why india and ipl has to be the benchmark for everything.

BTW these are psl stats same pitches and opponents babar plays yet babar is the best t20 player in the world because he stat pads

I think afridi knows what he's talking about and your the joker not him
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You expecting an old Suzuki Mehran to drive like a Ferrari. Aint happening. Pakistan does not have the same talent.
 
Technics 1210 said:
You missed out the biggest problem, the captain, Babar Azam.

Recall the Asia Cup final. SL were 58/5, what did our captain do? Bring on our chacha bowler. Rest is history.

Recall the WC final. It's at the MCG, largest cricket ground, where strike rotation was key, did our captain encourage or advise the team of a change in approach? No, half the team were caught at mid-off trying to hit a boundary.

The same captain lost a 7 x T20 match series at home, BEFORE the WC in 2022.

Our middle order may have been rubbish, but leadership come from the top and Babar failed us big time.

His captaincy had ZERO impact, other than in losing matches.
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Yes, i recall us reaching the Asia Cup final and beating India in the process. I also remember the WC in Australia where previous Pakistan teams haven't been able to beg a win in any format, let alone reach a final.

I also recall the nailbiter home series against England, the same team who blew away India in the semi-final like they were a bunch of school children.

So the narratives can be changed the other way too.

To say that Babar's captaincy has had no impact in t20's seems pretty emotional. We've punched well above our weight as a mediocre cricketing nation with no talent.

Babar is a tactically weak captain and his batting has it's limitations. But after him the next best batsman isn't fit to tie his laces. We have bigger things to worry about than Babar Azam.
 
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gazza619 said:
You expecting an old Suzuki Mehran to drive like a Ferrari. Aint happening. Pakistan does not have the same talent.
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You seriously don't have a clue
You seriously think this is a short term plan??
This will take years before you see result but eventually we will get there

Just like how misbah planted the seeds 12 years ago of being timid and settling for draws now you see the result in babar and rizwan and fans jumping up and down "oh we reached the final" assignment is to win and become champions not just reaching the finals
 
emranabbas said:
now you see the result in babar and rizwan and fans jumping up and down "oh we reached the final" assignment is to win and become champions not just reaching the finals
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Here is a team of Asif Ali, Shan Masood, Khushdil Shah and Haider Ali. Now, go and win me a final at the MCG against England.

Please tell me how you will do it. Thanks.
 
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