No Test Series win under Dav Whatmore

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Since Pakistan cant win this series now , so under Dav Whatmore Pakistan did not win any Test series , is he that bad or our Players have been rubbish in these 2 years ?
 
He has been the worst foreign coach we've ever had. Even Lawson and Pybus were better.

This is what happens when you put faith in someone based on his achievements 2 decades ago.

What he has done since the 1996 World Cup? Coach minnows? a poor stint in IPL?
 
Ranatunga and de silva warned us about whatmore.
 
Whatmore has been a complete disaster, in a day and age where Mitchell Johnson was withdrawn from the deciding 5th ODI against India so that he can prepare for the Ashes, Whatmore and Management were playing Irfan in some rubbish T20's after him having done so much the whole season, only to get him injured.

No innovation nothing new during his tenure, TTF's getting selected over and over again for a majority of the time, poor workload management, poor strategies, absolutely nothing to be happy about during Dav's tenure, I know he is not the only one to be blamed but surely one of the key men to be blamed.

Today's loss against SLN just sums up how badly Pakistan have done under him, thankfully the ODI team is looking better since Moin Khan has taken over some control and I hope things will get better hence forth.
 
Whatmore has been a complete disaster, in a day and age where Mitchell Johnson was withdrawn from the deciding 5th ODI against India so that he can prepare for the Ashes.
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Johnson was only selected for the Ashes because Starc was injred.

No innovation nothing new during his tenure, TTF's getting selected over and over again for a majority of the time, poor workload management, poor strategies, absolutely nothing to be happy about during Dav's tenure, I know he is not the only one to be blamed but surely one of the key men to be blamed

The selection is the biggest problem, that and the fact that there appears to be no top order batsmen in the entire country with half decent technique and temperament.
 
People should not under-estimate Dav Whatmore.

Bangladesh improved under Dave, especially during our dark days. Oh, and he took Lanka from being minnows to a world cup winning side.
 
Either selectors have been idiots or :dav has lacked imagination completely. Whatever Pakistan cricket is in huge hole.
 
Its a difficult one to answer. On the surface it seems that he has been rubbish, but some of the criticism is not really justified, there have been a lot of young players introduced (Bhatti, Anwar Ali, Khurram (re introduced), Shan Masood,Harris sohail, Maqsood, Sharjeel, Irfan (reintroduced).., Rahat, Nasir, Zulfiqar babar...etc etc...but the immediate issue is that some of these are very raw or not of international calibre yet or are making their crossover from limited overs to tests and will take time to get established to the rigours of test cricket that is so obviously at such a higher standard from the Pakitstan domestic set up....

But all of the above can be pointed at Dav and he should take some blame for not cultivating the right team and strategy, he has been there for two years after all so there such be some responsibility especially batsmen not being able to play the swinging bouncing ball..and the bowlers not being able to land it on a spot.....jeez!!

But the other problems i think are beyond his control..No international cricket in Pak.., No PCB permanant chair to make long term investment decisions, Selectoral Blunders i.e not picking obviously talented and performing local talent, poor pitches, inept administration and management..things like this obviously take their toll in the long run..
 
People should not under-estimate Dav Whatmore.

Bangladesh improved under Dave, especially during our dark days. Oh, and he took Lanka from being minnows to a world cup winning side.

No he didn't take SL to become a WC winning side. Ranatunga led them to that title/glory.
 
He has actually detiorated any progress that was made, under him senior culture has thrived, he has made no attempt to get rid of TTF's, tbh the team has looked short of idea's, lack of planning and creativty. Good riddance I say!.
 
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the batting needs to be changed

umar akmal, maqsood, fawad alam, haris sohail and sami aslam need to be bought into the test team.
 
http://www.news18.com/cricketnext/n...rala-cricket-rise-from-the-ashes-1361396.html

New Delhi: In a bid to improve the fate of Kerala cricket after a torrid domestic season, the Kerala Cricket Association is set to rope in former World Cup-winning coach Dav Whatmore for the next two seasons.

Speaking to CricketNext, KCA secretary Jayesh George sounded optimistic that Whatmore’s arrival will help improve Kerala’s standing in the domestic circuit.

“We all know what Whatmore brings to the table and I don’t need to tell you his credentials. His record is there for everyone to see. We believe that him working with the Kerala side will help take the team forward. We will also have S Ramesh as the director,” he said.

Asked if the KCA was looking to recruit Whatmore on a season-to-season basis, George said that as of now it could be a two-year contract.

“We are yet to finalise the terms and conditions of the contract, but ideally we are looking at a two-year contract with him. We will have the final word on it once Whatmore is back and we sit down and finish paperwork,” he said.

George said that Whatmore had seen the Kerala boys train and that is when the former Sri Lanka coach showed interest.
“He saw the boys train going into the Syed Mushtaq Ali Trophy and that is when he showed interest. For us, it cannot get better than having his experience at the disposal of the boys. Exciting times lie ahead,” the secretary said, sounding optimistic.

Apart from guiding Sri Lanka to World Cup glory in 1996, Whatmore has also been the national coach of the Pakistan, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe outfits. He was also coach of the Kolkata Knight Riders in the Indian Premier League from 2009 to 2012, replacing former Australia coach John Buchanan.

Whatmore was also mentor of the India U-19 team that won the World Cup in 2008 with Virat Kohli as skipper. Ravindra Jadeja was another member of that outfit who has gone ahead and represented India successfully on the international stage. The former Australia international also coached Lancashire in the English County Championship.

Whatmore's connect with India also goes back to 2007 when he became the first director of operations of the NCA. He was offered the post by then NCA chairman Ravi Shastri.
 
^ Just gloss over his record with Pakistan. Don't want to scare anyone.
 
Waqar came in and fixed the mess he made of the test team which didn't win a single series home or away for TWO PLUS years

Then he left and Mickey Arthur resumed as far as making a mess is concerned....
 
Waqar came in and fixed the mess he made of the test team which didn't win a single series home or away for TWO PLUS years

Then he left and Mickey Arthur resumed as far as making a mess is concerned....

Nice entry Slog bhai. :srini

Mickey will have a great record once we go to UAE.

The usual suspects will whine about old age, but old age is what won us in our only victory overseas.

Thr others we've been hard done by the young batsmen.
 
Nice entry Slog bhai. :srini

Mickey will have a great record once we go to UAE.

The usual suspects will whine about old age, but old age is what won us in our only victory overseas.

Thr others we've been hard done by the young batsmen.


I'm not sure to be honest

We almost lost to WI in UAE. Won the first test barely
 
I'm not sure to be honest

We almost lost to WI in UAE. Won the first test barely

People overrate him.

We're not moving forward under him. He loves his seniors like Malik n Hafeez, is all talk in press conferences.
 
Whatmore was a sitting duck but he was also unlucky that we played SA in his tenure twice when they were at their peak. Difficult to compare him to Waqar but both are rubbish. Whatmore seemed out of ideas and didn't come up with anything innovative etc., while Waqar is a tactical failure who wasn't exposed because we didn't tour Australia, England and South Africa in his tenure.

Mickey is better than both, he has made considerable changes to the team and seems to be a man with a plan.
 
Waqar came in and fixed the mess he made of the test team which didn't win a single series home or away for TWO PLUS years

Then he left and Mickey Arthur resumed as far as making a mess is concerned....

Whatmore was a sitting duck but he was also unlucky that we played SA in his tenure twice when they were at their peak. Difficult to compare him to Waqar but both are rubbish. Whatmore seemed out of ideas and didn't come up with anything innovative etc., while Waqar is a tactical failure who wasn't exposed because we didn't tour Australia, England and South Africa in his tenure.

Mickey is better than both, he has made considerable changes to the team and seems to be a man with a plan.

Whatmore was not to blame for our issues as we had to play a peak SAF team in SAF - which even our ATG team of the 80's would have lost 3-0.

0-0 at home to SAF was respectable and we lost a closely fought series in SL 1-0 when Sanga/Mahela were at their peak. His only stain was drawing 1-1 with Zimbabwe and if it wasn't for YK's 200 in the first Test match - we would have lost 2-0. We played well in his final test series at home to SL and were unlucky to lose the 2nd test match but the Sharjah chase was one for the ages.

The ODI was superb under his tenure winning the Asia Cup, Aane Do series, winning in SAF for the first time and thrashing SL 3-2 at home with newcomers like Sharjeel, Shehzad and Maqsood. Again - the only blemish was the ill-fated CT 2013 campaign but we had all the TTF's playing including Farhat :facepalm:
 
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