"Nobody has the right to tell MS Dhoni when to retire" : Shahid Afridi

[MenInG]

Former Pakistan skipper Shahid Afridi has always been someone who has been known to speak his mind whether be it on the game, and when it comes to India, he has been very vocal about the issues with the Indian team as well. Afridi, who retired from international cricket in 2016, has been a legendary figure in Pakistan cricket and one of those cricketers who has garnered a lot of love all around the world.

In a recent interaction with Times Now, Afridi spoke about former Indian skipper MS Dhoni saying that the former Indian skipper needs no opinion from others regarding when he wants to retire from the game. He added further that what MS Dhoni has done for Indian cricket over the years he doesn't need to be guided by anyone else regarding the important decisions of his career. Afridi, has played a fair bit against MS Dhoni in the international circuit and thus him praising MS Dhoni for his achievements comes as no surprise.

"What Dhoni has done for team India nobody else can and nobody has the right to tell him when to retire. 2019 Dhoni needs to be there for India to have good chances" Afridi said.

Dhoni, as is known to all has won three ICC titles for India as skipper apart from several bilateral series. He won the ICC World T20 in 2007, followed by ICC World Cup in 2011 and ICC Champions Trophy in 2013. The Ranchi born wicketkeeper-batsman retired from Test cricket in 2014 and since then has been in an integral part of the limited-overs Indian squad.

However, the team management decided to drop him from the Indian T20I squad for the series against West Indies earlier and now against Australia. However, Virat Kohli has not counted him out entirely from the scheme of things in T20I cricket. The Dhoni-less Indian team got off to a losing start in their ongoing T20I series down under as they lost the first T20 at The Gabba. The second game in Melbourne was abandoned due to rain.

Both teams now play the decider of the series on Sunday (November 25) at the SCG in Sydney.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...hid-afridi-backs-former-indian-captain/319678

 

[Hitman]

It's true. No one has the right to tell any player when to retire. It's the job of the selectors whether to select that player in the team or not. Why do fans in the subcontinent have this mentality that the selectors are bound to keep including the star senior players in the team until they decide to retire?

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Because you want India to lose matches due to it.

 

[Suleiman]

Agreed with Lala. Legends retire on their own regardless of age and form. Class and games won by legends like Afridi and Dhoni elevates them above other average players.

Pakistan will never see another Afridi and India will never see another Dhoni. Sad truth. Enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[JattMaula]

It's true. No one has the right to tell any player when to retire. It's the job of the selectors whether to select that player in the team or not. Why do fans in the subcontinent have this mentality that the selectors are bound to keep including the star senior players in the team until they decide to retire?

Agree that it's selectors job to select the team but people have right to their opinion too. They can comment on national team. Its Indian national team not Chennai Senior kings.

Lala has different opinion. That's alright too IMO.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

He has won every trophy u can win, he has more right than kholi tendulkar lara anyone besides ponting lol

 

[the_outsider]

I wonder how people would react if tomorrow random strangers come up to them and say that they have to retire from their IT/corporate/etc jobs.

It's so incredibly egotistical to think that we get to have a say on somebody else's career.

How many of us will let others control our own careers?

This is the problem with us desis. We like our noses into places they don't belong. You will never see so much drama in white countries.

Before Cook retired, he wasn't performing for 2-3 seasons. Yet, when he finally retired, people were saying "he could have played a little more".

When Dhoni retired from tests our self-entitled desis said "chalo jaan chuti".

How shameful...

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

I wonder how people would react if tomorrow random strangers come up to them and say that they have to retire from their IT/corporate/etc jobs.

It's so incredibly egotistical to think that we get to have a say on somebody else's career.

How many of us will let others control our own careers?

This is the problem with us desis. We like our noses into places they don't belong. You will never see so much drama in white countries.

Before Cook retired, he wasn't performing for 2-3 seasons. Yet, when he finally retired, people were saying "he could have played a little more".

When Dhoni retired from tests our self-entitled desis said "chalo jaan chuti".

How shameful...

One of the worst logic i have ever come across.
Really bro?

 

[JattMaula]

I wonder how people would react if tomorrow random strangers come up to them and say that they have to retire from their IT/corporate/etc jobs.

It's so incredibly egotistical to think that we get to have a say on somebody else's career.

How many of us will let others control our own careers?

This is the problem with us desis. We like our noses into places they don't belong. You will never see so much drama in white countries.

Before Cook retired, he wasn't performing for 2-3 seasons. Yet, when he finally retired, people were saying "he could have played a little more".

When Dhoni retired from tests our self-entitled desis said "chalo jaan chuti".

How shameful...

Please understand the difference between a private sector job and a public sector one.

 

[the_outsider]

One of the worst logic i have ever come across.
Really bro?

Yes, really You and I don't do jack for these cricketers when they struggle in their initial years and are playing for some small club team or their Ranji team.

Once they become national superstars we feel like we have earned the right to have a say on their careers. Why?

And the funniest thing is that the BCCI & ICC are private organisations. Which means the public has no business interfering in their internal matters, unless it is a matter of national security, diplomatic relations, etc.

Would love to hear a point-by-point critique of this logic, BRO.

 

[the_outsider]

Please understand the difference between a private sector job and a public sector one.

BCCI is a private organisation. So is the ICC and every single cricket board in the world that is under the ICC.

Seems like you were under some false impression.

 

[JattMaula]

BCCI is a private organisation. So is the ICC and every single cricket board in the world that is under the ICC.

Seems like you were under some false impression.

It is technically a private organization. I guess public has no right to opinion on national selection matter.

 

[the_outsider]

It is technically a private organization. I guess public has no right to opinion on national selection matter.

No the public does not have any say. BCCI does not run on the tax payers money. It runs like any other private limited business does. It doesn't even have shares which means it is 100% privately held.

If cricket ever gets played in the Olympics, then the GOI will send a national cricket team and that will be the true representative of India. BCCI cannot send a team to the Olympics.

The ICC is the exact same thing as Kerry Packer's World Series. Just a lot more large scale and richer. A lot of people don't seem to realise that.

 

[RainMan_]

Lala bhai is spot on. As a matter of fact he should lead India in the upcoming world cup. He takes most of the decisions anyway and don't even bother to ask Kohli. I don't really know what exactly is kohli's job as a loi captain.

 

[latecut]

The more important question to ask is-"why did Afridi have to comment on an Indian cricketer ? why not on a Zimbabwe cricketer or on a Kenyan cricketer ? Or even an Australian or English cricketer ? "

Simple, no one will give any importance to his statements if he did that. He knows what sells and so he has made a statement that would keep him in limelight.

It is sad to see Afridi (whom some Pakistani fans consider a bigger legend than Tendulkar) needing to stoop so low to stay in limelight.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

The more important question to ask is-"why did Afridi have to comment on an Indian cricketer ? why not on a Zimbabwe cricketer or on a Kenyan cricketer ? Or even an Australian or English cricketer ? "

Simple, no one will give any importance to his statements if he did that. He knows what sells and so he has made a statement that would keep him in limelight.

It is sad to see Afridi (whom some Pakistani fans consider a bigger legend than Tendulkar) needing to stoop so low to stay in limelight.

OMD’s fam, why would he talk to an India media outlet about Zimbabwean or Kenyan cricketers lol?

 

[MenInG]

The more important question to ask is-"why did Afridi have to comment on an Indian cricketer ? why not on a Zimbabwe cricketer or on a Kenyan cricketer ? Or even an Australian or English cricketer ? "

Simple, no one will give any importance to his statements if he did that. He knows what sells and so he has made a statement that would keep him in limelight.

It is sad to see Afridi (whom some Pakistani fans consider a bigger legend than Tendulkar) needing to stoop so low to stay in limelight.

Think he was asked a question, just a guess.

 

[BaankeJi]

No the public does not have any say. BCCI does not run on the tax payers money. It runs like any other private limited business does. It doesn't even have shares which means it is 100% privately held.

If cricket ever gets played in the Olympics, then the GOI will send a national cricket team and that will be the true representative of India. BCCI cannot send a team to the Olympics.

The ICC is the exact same thing as Kerry Packer's World Series. Just a lot more large scale and richer. A lot of people don't seem to realise that.

Doesn't matter if BCCI is a private or a public organization. Doesn't matter if BCCI is running on tax payers money.
You are completely missing the point. By a long distance .

 

[Rahul1]

I wonder how people would react if tomorrow random strangers come up to them and say that they have to retire from their IT/corporate/etc jobs.

It's so incredibly egotistical to think that we get to have a say on somebody else's career.

How many of us will let others control our own careers?

This is the problem with us desis. We like our noses into places they don't belong. You will never see so much drama in white countries.

Before Cook retired, he wasn't performing for 2-3 seasons. Yet, when he finally retired, people were saying "he could have played a little more".

When Dhoni retired from tests our self-entitled desis said "chalo jaan chuti".

How shameful...

....what?

 

[Indiafan]

He has won every trophy u can win, he has more right than kholi tendulkar lara anyone besides ponting lol

Was tendulkar not part of the trophies won? Or kohli?

And why does winning trophies in the past means he gets to spoil next trophy chance. By your logic imran and kapil should still play

 

[Major]

I wonder how people would react if tomorrow random strangers come up to them and say that they have to retire from their IT/corporate/etc jobs.

It's so incredibly egotistical to think that we get to have a say on somebody else's career.

How many of us will let others control our own careers?

This is the problem with us desis. We like our noses into places they don't belong. You will never see so much drama in white countries.

Before Cook retired, he wasn't performing for 2-3 seasons. Yet, when he finally retired, people were saying "he could have played a little more".

When Dhoni retired from tests our self-entitled desis said "chalo jaan chuti".

How shameful...

THIS!!!

POTW

well said

 

[Indiafan]

No the public does not have any say. BCCI does not run on the tax payers money. It runs like any other private limited business does. It doesn't even have shares which means it is 100% privately held.

If cricket ever gets played in the Olympics, then the GOI will send a national cricket team and that will be the true representative of India. BCCI cannot send a team to the Olympics.

The ICC is the exact same thing as Kerry Packer's World Series. Just a lot more large scale and richer. A lot of people don't seem to realise that.

Meh except think of these cricketers as the top of the top, the chairmans and the CEOs, the faces of the private company. Many a ceo and chairman have had to resign because of public who put pressure on the share holders.

Considering that the money they earn are coming from the public and crickets an entertainment industry, a more apt comparison would be studios terminating the contracts of stars who have delivered a string of flop movies based on public feedback

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

One of the worst logic i have ever come across.
Really bro?

How is it worst logic? When you use the same logic against others? If someone questions Virat Kohli 's decision to take a rest you people start coming up with 'he knows when to take a rest', 'team management knows better than you arm chair critics' blah blah blah.

What you or any other arm chair critics says here won't make any difference to an ATG like MS Dhoni. He will retire on his own terms. He has already given a chance to your superhero Pant who is getting exposed in T20's currently. Leave the ODI's to someone like Dhoni or Karthik(who should be the second wicket keeper) based on their game awareness.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Please understand the difference between a private sector job and a public sector one.

This is not a sarkari team Jatt Sahab. BCCI is a private organisation. [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] can clear our doubts may be?

 

[BreadPakoda]

I wonder how people would react if tomorrow random strangers come up to them and say that they have to retire from their IT/corporate/etc jobs.

It's so incredibly egotistical to think that we get to have a say on somebody else's career.

How many of us will let others control our own careers?

This is the problem with us desis. We like our noses into places they don't belong. You will never see so much drama in white countries.

Before Cook retired, he wasn't performing for 2-3 seasons. Yet, when he finally retired, people were saying "he could have played a little more".

When Dhoni retired from tests our self-entitled desis said "chalo jaan chuti".

How shameful...

If I am getting a good fat paycheck, occupying a top role and performing poorly so much so that I’m taking the company down in the gutter, then yes!! Absolutely!! Every Tom Harry shoud come and tell me that I’m no good and need to let go of my post.

Especially if I’m occupying the position due to my media clout or other unfair means and there are much more deserving people not getting a chance due to this.

 

[BreadPakoda]

The poster completely misses the concept of stakeholders. The fans might not be shareholders but they are stakeholders - clients/customer whatever you may want to call. They are the ones spending their hard earned money and expect quality decisions!

 

[Balthazar]

No the public does not have any say. BCCI does not run on the tax payers money. It runs like any other private limited business does. It doesn't even have shares which means it is 100% privately held.

If cricket ever gets played in the Olympics, then the GOI will send a national cricket team and that will be the true representative of India. BCCI cannot send a team to the Olympics.

The ICC is the exact same thing as Kerry Packer's World Series. Just a lot more large scale and richer. A lot of people don't seem to realise that.

Then they shouldn't use India as the name, instead they should use BCCI. Let's see how many fans will watch it then and how much money they will make.

 

[RamLakhan]

No the public does not have any say. BCCI does not run on the tax payers money. It runs like any other private limited business does. It doesn't even have shares which means it is 100% privately held.

If cricket ever gets played in the Olympics, then the GOI will send a national cricket team and that will be the true representative of India. BCCI cannot send a team to the Olympics.

The ICC is the exact same thing as Kerry Packer's World Series. Just a lot more large scale and richer. A lot of people don't seem to realise that.

Let me come back to you when cricketers as usual say that they play for the country, blah blah... BCCI survives because of fans & media... So minimum respect and consideration has to be given for that!

 

[jagatk]

No the public does not have any say. BCCI does not run on the tax payers money. It runs like any other private limited business does. It doesn't even have shares which means it is 100% privately held.

If cricket ever gets played in the Olympics, then the GOI will send a national cricket team and that will be the true representative of India. BCCI cannot send a team to the Olympics.

The ICC is the exact same thing as Kerry Packer's World Series. Just a lot more large scale and richer. A lot of people don't seem to realise that.

Actually that's rubbish, it does run on taxpayer money just not technically a Public body. They are not Team BCCI they are team India, if it were actually a private thing maybe don't represent the nation, The stadiums and offices of BCCI are not owned by BCCI but rather mostly leased from respective states which basically means public property, like for eg eden gardens which is owned by the Indian Army not BCCI or CAB.

 

[the_outsider]

Actually that's rubbish, it does run on taxpayer money just not technically a Public body. They are not Team BCCI they are team India, if it were actually a private thing maybe don't represent the nation, The stadiums and offices of BCCI are not owned by BCCI but rather mostly leased from respective states which basically means public property, like for eg eden gardens which is owned by the Indian Army not BCCI or CAB.

You're talking rubbish because as usual you have come with half-knowledge.

The BCCI pays the respective boards each and every time there is a match played on their ground. CAB in turn pays rent to the Indian Army for using Eden Gardens. That is exactly why CAB is building another stadium in Kolkata - which they will own fully.

All you had to do was Google BCCI and ICC and go to their Wikipedia pages. That would have cleared your doubt about whether they are private or public organisations. But evidently you couldn't even be bothered to do that much.

BCCI does not run on the Indian taxpayer's money. CA does not run on the Australian taxpayer's money. BCB does not run on the Bangaldeshi taxpayer's money. Period.

 

[the_outsider]

Let me come back to you when cricketers as usual say that they play for the country, blah blah... BCCI survives because of fans & media... So minimum respect and consideration has to be given for that!

Every company survives because of the consumer. That does not mean that consumer gets to have a say on whom the company hires or fires.

If you don't like the company or their products, then don't buy it or pay for it. Simple.

 

[the_outsider]

Then they shouldn't use India as the name, instead they should use BCCI. Let's see how many fans will watch it then and how much money they will make.

Yeah sure. If the public puts pressure, I'm sure all boards and the ICC can be forced to drop the nation's names from their teams and call it BCCI XI or PCB XI.

If you want that then go for it. You will be within your rights to do so.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Every company survives because of the consumer. That does not mean that consumer gets to have a say on whom the company hires or fires.

If you don't like the company or their products, then don't buy it or pay for it. Simple.

Huge difference between having a direct say and having a right to voice your opinion as a customer.

 

[the_outsider]

If I am getting a good fat paycheck, occupying a top role and performing poorly so much so that I’m taking the company down in the gutter, then yes!! Absolutely!! Every Tom Harry shoud come and tell me that I’m no good and need to let go of my post.

Especially if I’m occupying the position due to my media clout or other unfair means and there are much more deserving people not getting a chance due to this.

If it's not your company (i.e. you don't have any stakes in it) then no, you don't get to have a say about hiring/firing regardless of the performance of any individual or the company as a whole.

Do you think you can tell Google whom to hire and fire?

Cricket is a privatized sports. It does not run on the public's money. It only runs on the money of investors. And like any other business in the world, only investors get to have a final say in matters related to the company.

You may or may not like that. But that is how world cricket is structured.

I repeat. Global cricket is a privatized sports. View it as you would view any other private company in the world.

 

[the_outsider]

Huge difference between having a direct say and having a right to voice your opinion as a customer.

Of course you can voice your opinion. It's a free country.

But there is no place to complain if the company goes against your wishes and only sticks to what it sees as right.

There is no scope of complain because we are not entitled to anything.

That's my point.

 

[the_outsider]

Again you are confusing between having a direct say and having a right to voice an opinion. The latter is what Afridi is arguing against.

No. Afridi is saying that others should not get to put external pressure (through media, social networking, etc) on these matters. And I agree with him.

 

[BreadPakoda]

No. Afridi is saying that others should not get to put external pressure (through media, social networking, etc) on these matters. And I agree with him.

Where does he talk about Social Media and pressure? Unless I missed something.

"What Dhoni has done for team India nobody else can and nobody has the right to tell him when to retire. 2019 Dhoni needs to be there for India to have good chances" Afridi said.

Even if he does, although I would like you to point out where, why can't I put pressure as a customer? I don't have a final say - your company, your decision. However, I am well within my rights to voice my opinion through social media. It's legal, or is it not?

 

[jagatk]

You're talking rubbish because as usual you have come with half-knowledge.

The BCCI pays the respective boards each and every time there is a match played on their ground. CAB in turn pays rent to the Indian Army for using Eden Gardens. That is exactly why CAB is building another stadium in Kolkata - which they will own fully.

All you had to do was Google BCCI and ICC and go to their Wikipedia pages. That would have cleared your doubt about whether they are private or public organisations. But evidently you couldn't even be bothered to do that much.

BCCI does not run on the Indian taxpayer's money. CA does not run on the Australian taxpayer's money. BCB does not run on the Bangaldeshi taxpayer's money. Period.

Again Genius they are not technically a Public body but give it time it will be under RTI in india, who do you think will own the land they build the stadium on it won't be private land but land leased from the government for a cheap rate to build a national sport stadium.

If it were a private body in actuality as on paper as you put it, it won't be run by a Supreme Court nominated body as it would only be run by individuals who have a stake in the organisation, it isn't afterall a public body for supreme court to interfere in.

Only reason they aren't a public body is there is too much money to be made for politicians to allow others to question them.

 

[Bhaijaan]

There is only one rule and that is you shouldn't be blocking the position of someone who is better. As long as you are not doing that a special privilege could be given to you. Tendulkar, Ponting, Cook all utilized this special privilege towards the end of their test careers when their performance dropped but were still better than their replacements for their respective positions.


Problem with MS Dhoni, and in ODIs he is as much a legend as Tendulkar and Ponting, is that he is not being convincing enough as a better batting option than Pant, Karthik right now for the positions he bats at and that makes him bit of a liability. He's failing to keep up with desired acceleration when needed and he's not finishing games these days.

 

[Balthazar]

Yeah sure. If the public puts pressure, I'm sure all boards and the ICC can be forced to drop the nation's names from their teams and call it BCCI XI or PCB XI.

If you want that then go for it. You will be within your rights to do so.

That's not how it works. As long as they use the countries' name, then public have every right to question players' place in the team.

 

[Rana]

I do think Dhoni should have waited to retire before allowing bollywood to make a biopic on him

 

[fitCricFan]

Probably Afridi is still sour that he was forced to retire for the umpteenth time...and in MSD's continuance sees his own change for another un-retire........lol.

MSD has had a good run and he was smart in seeking retirement from both ODI's & Tests. However it is time for him to pass on the baton and pave way for the young guns in the T20 format too. His fitness is not in question. I think by this time, all seasoned teams have him figured out and its just a matter of getting him to play the way they want. he has slowed down a bit which is natural and its high time he makes the call himself.
The biggest loss to the Indian team would be MSD's ice cool temperament and his cricketing wisdom. Hope he has rubbed some of it on the Indian captain.

As for SA, he should stay retired

 

[jnaveen1980]

Representing India needs certain requirements. If he consistently fails to meet it he should pave way for those who meets it. Otherwise he will get booted out eventually.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Probably Afridi is still sour that he was forced to retire for the umpteenth time...and in MSD's continuance sees his own change for another un-retire........lol.

MSD has had a good run and he was smart in seeking retirement from both ODI's & Tests. However it is time for him to pass on the baton and pave way for the young guns in the T20 format too. His fitness is not in question. I think by this time, all seasoned teams have him figured out and its just a matter of getting him to play the way they want. he has slowed down a bit which is natural and its high time he makes the call himself.
The biggest loss to the Indian team would be MSD's ice cool temperament and his cricketing wisdom. Hope he has rubbed some of it on the Indian captain.

As for SA, he should stay retired

He hasn't retired from ODIs yet.

 

[hafizexpress]

Fans have a right to judge and criticize players. That's natural for fans if someone isn't performing well at a high age it is normal to think about retirement. It's not like they're making the decision for the player they're just stating their opinion. If you can't state opinions about players, can you really call yourself a fan of the sport?

It's like saying if someone is to retire soon and a fan says no they should play more. That's the same thing.

 

[DeadBall]

Afridi and Dhoni are the same, just playing for themselves and have only their own personal benefits at heart (Sponsorship, Business deals, other incentives etc). Whatever they have accomplished in their careers is a byproduct.

 

[mystical man]

If it's not your company (i.e. you don't have any stakes in it) then no, you don't get to have a say about hiring/firing regardless of the performance of any individual or the company as a whole.

Do you think you can tell Google whom to hire and fire?

Cricket is a privatized sports. It does not run on the public's money. It only runs on the money of investors. And like any other business in the world, only investors get to have a final say in matters related to the company.

You may or may not like that. But that is how world cricket is structured.

I repeat. Global cricket is a privatized sports. View it as you would view any other private company in the world.

But as fans are we not entitled to our own opinions watching this old haggard with a white beard playing ? Why do we have to see him struggle with bat and ball having his team loose again and again from precarious situations? West Indies did the same during 80s by not including fresh players and the result is for us to see in the future...

 

[mystical man]

Afridi and Dhoni are the same, just playing for themselves and have only their own personal benefits at heart (Sponsorship, Business deals, other incentives etc). Whatever they have accomplished in their careers is a byproduct.

Spot on and we as fans have every right to be critical of their performance...

 

[the_outsider]

Doesn't matter if BCCI is a private or a public organization. Doesn't matter if BCCI is running on tax payers money.
You are completely missing the point. By a long distance .

Tell me what the point is then.

Because I don't see any difference between random fans putting pressure on Dhoni/Hafeez to retire and some random guy putting pressure on you to retire.

 

[Darkrai]

Considering the fact that teams exist because of their fans, to say we do not have the right to express our opinion is ridiculous.

 

[DeadBall]

Tell me what the point is then.

Because I don't see any difference between random fans putting pressure on Dhoni/Hafeez to retire and some random guy putting pressure on you to retire.

Are you representing your country on an international level? BCCI may be private but their business is to entertain the masses who are the public. Same goes with any profession in which you are in the public spotlight then you are open to criticism, be it entertainment, sports, politics, etc.

If the majority of the fans start boycotting matches because Dhoni has passed his sell by date then the BCCI will get rid of Dhoni regardless of whether he is a legend or not. Thing is he still has a lot of political pull and numerous ******* much like Afridi did.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Tell me what the point is then.

Because I don't see any difference between random fans putting pressure on Dhoni/Hafeez to retire and some random guy putting pressure on you to retire.

You tell us what is the point of this forum because as always you are not making any sense. If fans are expressing their views about Dhoni let them do it. Why do you always act like a representative of an ex cricketer, board or a player here?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Considering the fact that teams exist because of their fans, to say we do not have the right to express our opinion is ridiculous.

Not only that it also puts the question mark over this discussion board. If fans have no right to discuss anything then there is no point in creating threads here.

 

[KingKhanWC]

India is a country which puts actors, sports people upon a pedistal, seeing them as great heros. Heck there are even some who actually worhip Sachin, as some sort of God. Dhoni has won the world cup, amongts other achievements. Any other nation inc Pakistan would have dropped him over a year ago, he is a rubbish batsmen now, very poor indeed but due to his past and his supposed high standing Indians wont drop him.

It's funny to see, hopefully Afridi was being sarcastic.

 

[the_outsider]

Are you representing your country on an international level? BCCI may be private but their business is to entertain the masses who are the public. Same goes with any profession in which you are in the public spotlight then you are open to criticism, be it entertainment, sports, politics, etc.

If the majority of the fans start boycotting matches because Dhoni has passed his sell by date then the BCCI will get rid of Dhoni regardless of whether he is a legend or not. Thing is he still has a lot of political pull and numerous ******* much like Afridi did.

Then start boycotting the matches.

Don't be a hypocrite and say "I need my daily entertainment fix with cricket so I will keep purchasing the product" and in the same breath say "I don't like this product."

Most people who don't like a product move on to an alternative. That's what you should do too.

Just because somebody is in the public eye does not mean that the public gets to poke their noses in it. You have nothing on the line as far as cricket/BCCI is concerned.

So if you have nothing to lose, if you are not putting your money on the line to run the sport, then why should you get to have a say in the matter?

When a Bollywood actor flops at the box office multiple times, the actor is discarded and doesn't get any more roles. You want Dhoni out of the team? The solution is simple. Stop buying the ticket to watch the show. Don't keep giving them profit and then turn around and ask "why is he still making films?"

 

[the_outsider]

India is a country which puts actors, sports people upon a pedistal, seeing them as great heros. Heck there are even some who actually worhip Sachin, as some sort of God. Dhoni has won the world cup, amongts other achievements. Any other nation inc Pakistan would have dropped him over a year ago , he is a rubbish batsmen now, very poor indeed but due to his past and his supposed high standing Indians wont drop him.

It's funny to see, hopefully Afridi was being sarcastic.

Is that why Hafeez, Sarfraz and Wahab Riaz are still playing test cricket for Pakistan?

 

[the_outsider]

You tell us what is the point of this forum because as always you are not making any sense. If fans are expressing their views about Dhoni let them do it. Why do you always act like a representative of an ex cricketer, board or a player here?

I'm not saying we can't express our opinions overs matters of cricket.

But pressuring someone to retire is not a question of cricket. It is a question of someone's career and livelihood.

We do not get to have a say on when somebody has to retire. Period.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Is that why Hafeez, Sarfraz and Wahab Riaz are still playing test cricket for Pakistan?

Sorry. Your post doesn't make any sense with the bolded part in the post you quoted above. Try again.

 

[DeadBall]

Just because somebody is in the public eye does not mean that the public gets to poke their noses in it.

But that is exactly what being a public figure entails, it's part and parcel of the package. You can live in your magical utopia where everyone minds their own business.

 

[the_outsider]

But that is exactly what being a public figure entails, it's part and parcel of the package. You can live in your magical utopia where everyone minds their own business.

Unless you have been a celebrity at some point in your life, I don't think you are in any position to say if a celebrity's life is utopia or not.

Just like they make more money than you at the same time they don't enjoy the luxury you and I do of our faults not being discussed across the globe.

Imagine the whole world discussing and criticising how you goofed up that presentation to the BOD that one time. Making memes and jokes about your failures and low points in life. Doesn't sound very rosy, does it?

It's not a bed of roses. And it's incredibly naive to think otherwise.

 

[the_outsider]

Sorry. Your post doesn't make any sense with the bolded part in the post you quoted above. Try again.

If you're too dumb to understand sarcasm then that's on you, buddy.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

If you're too dumb to understand sarcasm then that's on you, buddy.

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] do you think it was sarcasam or outsider ji doesn't have anything to say now?

 

[Zaz]

I guess from that statement afridi is stating that dhoni should have a free reign to play until he likes

Sorry thats monsense just like a lot of afridis statements The selectors should decide not the players

 

[DeadBall]

Unless you have been a celebrity at some point in your life, I don't think you are in any position to say if a celebrity's life is utopia or not.

Just like they make more money than you at the same time they don't enjoy the luxury you and I do of our faults not being discussed across the globe.

Imagine the whole world discussing and criticising how you goofed up that presentation to the BOD that one time. Making memes and jokes about your failures and low points in life. Doesn't sound very rosy, does it?

It's not a bed of roses. And it's incredibly naive to think otherwise.

What are you rambling on about. I said the exact same thing.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Is that why Hafeez, Sarfraz and Wahab Riaz are still playing test cricket for Pakistan?

Hafeez was dropped many times but showed good first class form for a call up but will be dropped again. Sarfraz is captain and Wahab was dropped again after one test. Dhoni has been rubbish for a couple of years now but will play the world cup next year.

 

[the_outsider]

Hafeez was dropped many times but showed good first class form for a call up but will be dropped again. Sarfraz is captain and Wahab was dropped again after one test. Dhoni has been rubbish for a couple of years now but will play the world cup next year.

Check Dhoni's stats from 2017.

Dhoni has had 2 bad years - 2016 and 2018. And given that he is 10 times the player than Hafeez & Wahab is combined, he deserves a longer rope than them.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Check Dhoni's stats from 2017.

Dhoni has had 2 bad years - 2016 and 2018. And given that he is 10 times the player than Hafeez & Wahab is combined, he deserves a longer rope than them.

We should give another chance to Yuvraj Singh and Suresh Raina as well.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Check Dhoni's stats from 2017.

Dhoni has had 2 bad years - 2016 and 2018. And given that he is 10 times the player than Hafeez & Wahab is combined, he deserves a longer rope than them.

Dhoni is in the ODI team. I watched a fair bit of him esp this year and he's been pathetic. But if you think he's good enough to play in the ODI XI for India, you're entiltled to your opinion even if most Indian fans want him out asap.

 

[fitCricFan]

He hasn't retired from ODIs yet.

You mean after announcing his retirement from ODI's in 2017 he has un-retired once again...lol, not that I believe it to be true

 

[BreadPakoda]

You mean after announcing his retirement from ODI's in 2017 he has un-retired once again...lol, not that I believe it to be true

He played ODIs this very month and has never announced retirement from ODIs.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...t-indies-5th-odi-west-indies-in-india-2018-19

 

[Adijazz1706]

making a very good point, no amount of pressure can lead to Dhoni being dropped before the WC, not with his connections