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Nostradamus was a French physician and astrologer who lived in the 16th century.

According to his followers, he predicted a lot of things that have actually happened in the last few centuries; including the French Revolution, Adolf Hitler’s rise to power and 9/11.

There is even evidence of him predicting Trump’s presidential win, whom he referred to as “the great shameless, audacious bawler”.


His book Les Propheties (The Prophecies), contained one thousand French quatrains (a poem with four lines). The book contained prophecies for the next ten centuries.

Here are 10 of those which some claim were predicted in his book.

1: 9/11 Attacks
‘Volcanic fire from the center of the earth Will cause trembling around the new city: Two great rocks will make war for a long time. Then Arethusa will redden a new river. In the year 1999, in the seventh month, From the sky will come the great King of Terror, Bringing back to life the great King of the Mongols Before and after, Mars to reign by good fortune.’
'New city' refers to New York. The ‘two great rocks’ referring to the war between the United States of America and terrorism from the East. The ‘volcanic fire from the center of the earth’ is a reference to the Twin Towers burning to the ground. Of course the dates were a bit off because he predicted that the events would occur in the year 1999, of which they only occurred two years later.

2: The French Revolution
“From the enslaved people, songs, chants, and demands, The princes and lords are held captive in prisons: In the future by such headless idiots These will be taken as divine utterances.” “Before the war comes, The great wall will fall, The King will be executed, his death coming too soon will be lamented. (The guards) will swim in blood, Near the River Seine the soil will be bloodied.”
These are just two of the many quatrains that were believed to refer to the French Revolution, and it’s interesting to note the vividness with which Nostradamus describes the revolution years before it occurred. In the quatrains he speaks of the storming of the Bastille prison which was located in the Seine River, and was a site for criminal execution. This site marked the end of the guillotine and the beginning of the Revolution.

3: Hitler and World War II

“The two greatest ones of Asia and of Africa, From the Rhine and Lower Danube they will be said to have come, Cries, tears at Malta and the Ligurian side.” “From the depths of the West of Europe, A young child will be born of poor people, He who by his tongue will seduce a great troop; His fame will increase towards the realm of the East.” (Century 3, Quatrain 35) “Beasts ferocious from hunger will swim across rivers: The greater one will cause it to be dragged in an iron cage When the Germany child will observe nothing.”
Just as Nostradamus had predicted, Hitler was a leader born of poor people and he often gave moving speeches that convinced many to pledge their allegiance to him. ‘His fame will increase towards the realm of the East’ refers to Hitler’s favourable alliance with Japan, and the iron cage is said to refer to the tanks which Hitler used during the war. These are some of Nostradamus’ most famous and impressive predictions to date.

4: Princess Diana’s Death

“The penultimate of the surname of Prophet will take Diana [Thursday] for his day and rest: He will wander because of a frantic head, And delivering a great people from subjection.” (Century 2, Quatrain 28)
‘The penultimate of the surname of the Prophet’ is believed to refer to the name Mohammad, which is symbolic of Arabic descent, just like Dodi Al-Fayed, Diana’s boyfriend even though that was not his surname. ‘His day of rest’ has a double meaning. On the one hand it is believed to refer to Sunday, the day when Diana and Dodi died, as well as indicating the fact that on that day Diana was taken to her final ‘rest’.


5: Atomic Bomb

‘Near the gates and within two cities there will be scourges the like of which was never seen, Famine within plague, people put out by steel, Crying to the great immortal God for relief.’
In the year 1945, the USA dropped an atomic bomb on the two Japanese cities of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, devastating the lives of millions of its people. ‘People put out by steel’ obviously refers to the atomic bomb, and ‘crying to the great immortal God for relief’ indicates the grief experienced by the Japanese people after the event.

6: The moon landing

‘He will come to travel to the corner of Luna, Where he will be captured and put in a strange land, The unripe fruits to be subject of great scandal, Great blame, to one, great praise.’

‘He will come to travel to the corner of Luna’, this quatrain is a prediction of the 1969 Apollo 11 moon mission which was led by Neil Armstrong, with Luna referring to the moon. ‘The unripe fruits to be subject of great scandal/ Great blame, to one, great praise’, these two lines refer to the rivalry between Mission Commander and first man on the moon Neil Amstrong, and Buzz Aldrin who was the second man on the moon. Aldrin’s resentment at not being the first man on the moon led to actions that later disgraced him in the eyes of his peers.

7: Death of the Kennedy Brothers

“The great man will be struck down in the day by a thunderbolt, An evil deed foretold by the bearer of a petition. Another falls at night time. Conflict at Reins, London, and a pestilence in Tuscany.”
U.S. President John F. Kennedy was assassinated by gunshot (thunderbolt) in 1963 during noon time, whereas his brother Robert Kennedy was shot five years later at 1am (another falls at nigh time). The same year J. F. Kennedy was shot (1963) student riots broke out in London and Paris and the city of Florence experienced great flood in 1968, which is the same year when Robert Kennedy was shot. These events led locals to fear that a perceived plague would hit the city.

8: The London Fire

“The blood of the just will be demanded of London, Burnt by the fire in the year 66”
Here, Nostradamus successfully predicted the actual year of the Great London Fire which occurred in 1666. As he had predicted ‘the blood of the just will be demanded’, six people died during that fire, as well as thousands of mice and rats who had carried the Black Death Plague which had killed many in Europe.

This fire saw the end of this plague in London. According to sources, the fire lasted for five days and destroyed more than 13 000 homes and 87 churches.

9: The Death of King Henry the II

“The young lion will overcome the older one, On the field of combat in a single battle; He will pierce his eyes through a golden cage, Two wounds made one, then he dies a cruel death.”

In the year 1559 Nostradamus warned King Henry the II about his impending doom, cautioning him against participating in any violent jousting. Needless to say the king ignored the seer’s warnings, partaking in a contest with Comte Montgomery (six years his junior) which resulted in his death.

Toward the end of the fight Montgomery’s lance got shattered and one of its pieces pierced the king’s temple, while the other tore through his eye. Unfortunately, Henry II only died 10 days later, after suffering great pain, meaning that he really die ‘a cruel death’.

10: The Rise of Napoleon

“PAU, NAY, LORON will be more of fire than of the blood, To swim in praise, the great one to flee to the confluence. He will refuse entry to the Piuses, The depraved ones and the Durance will keep them imprisoned.”
In this prophecy, Notradamus predicted Napoleon’s rise to eminence with the line ‘more fire than blood’ referring to his fervent conquest of power. When you unscramble the letter ‘PAU NAY LORON’ you get Napoleon Bonaparte or Napoleon Roy. Therefore, he successfully predicted Napoleon’s rise to power and his eventual influence.

(source: howtolucid.com/nostradamus-predictions)
 
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Most of his descriptions are vague and can be interpreted whichever way you want.

I wonder who was telling him about all these future events.
 
Most of his descriptions are vague and can be interpreted whichever way you want.

I wonder who was telling him about all these future events.
Correct. The operative word being "most". However, are they all coincidences when so many of them have an uncanny resemblance to actual events centuries later. Can they all, each and every one of them, simply be dismissed out of hand? :13:
 
Most of his descriptions are vague and can be interpreted whichever way you want.

I wonder who was telling him about all these future events.

He was an astrologer... maybe he was able to see something in the way stars aligned?
 
1. Most of his predictions are vague meaning that you can attribute multiple events to one prediction depending on how you interpret it

2. For every correct prediction there are multiple ones which havent come true. And obv they may come true in future but heck how long is this time frame? If you wait for the end of times and have vague predicitions and very liberal interpretations to begin with, you can make a case for many 'predicitions coming true'
 
While it is astonishing that these set of prophecies are quite true, Nostradamus sounds like a person of great knowledge about world politics rather than a prophetic personality.

Like some other posters mentioned, most of his prophecies are quite vague and can be interpreted in different ways. The 9/11 prediction was made by quite a few people and a prediction being made for the year 1999 is not something extraordinary. Many people make prophecies of the world ending or about an apocalypse for the last year of a century or millennium.

As for the French Revolution, as you mentioned, Nostradamus was French himself and therefore was aware of the political scenario of France and probably saw a revolution coming - like most other French philosophers. Considering he was born only some years before the enlightenment era began, I don't consider this a prophecy but rather a calculated prediction.

The prediction about Hitler is an example of how his prophecies are vague. Most leaders (not Kings) are born from the poor and give iconic speeches that inspire the people. Most leaders also cause a lot of fear around the world and therefore, this can be the benchmark for most revolutionaries around the world. This could perhaps even be true for someone like Fidel Castro.

While I don't consider the rest of his prophecies as important, the one regarding the London fire is truly impressive and spectacular. You could call it a coincidence but the fact that he was spot on with it being a fire and the exact year is magical.

As for the last prediction regarding Napoleon, that too is impressive but as you may already know, the can also be put together into many other different words. And that is also ignoring that the name Napoleon has been a popular choice throughout the recent few centuries in France.

Nonetheless, as I said earlier, Nostradamus sounds like a person of great knowledge rather than a mystic with some future telling globe or divine intervention.
 
"No soul know what it will earn tomorrow." (Quran 31:34)

Free will. I don't think future events can be predicted because man has a free will. It we did not have a free will to make decisions and if life was pre-determined than we will all be like puppets on a string.
 
[MENTION=4930]Yossarian[/MENTION] was Nostradamus in contact with any angel or demonic entity? what are his beliefs, I've read that some cheeky jins over hear angels discussing earthly events and they return such info back to person on earth whom they have made a deal with.

My theory is, the jin doesn't always accurately listen to what is being said word for word because he has to be discreet to avoid detection and other times when he or she is caught they need to make a quick escape so don't always obtain all the information they need. Maybe that would explain the vagueness of the prophecies and inconsistent success rate whilst there are some gems which are on point [MENTION=141922]ExpressPacer[/MENTION] [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION]
 
Free will. I don't think future events can be predicted because man has a free will. It we did not have a free will to make decisions and if life was pre-determined than we will all be like puppets on a string.
How does that equate with "Nothing happens without God's Will", "God know of everything in the Past, Present and Future"?
 
Oh right, that's very interesting; what do you think was the sources of his predictions? or were they just a series of outrageous coincidences
That's what is being asked in the OP. And the whole point of the thread.
 
No harm in asking your opinion :yk2 or are you confused like me as well :mv
No I'm not confused. I believe it's a combination of interpretation of vagueness, predictions based upon an element of knowledge, logic and analysis of trends in society, economics, politics etc, with a healthy does of coincidence thrown in. Along with a tiny bit of self-fulfilling prophecy in some cases.

I raised this thread to highlight the parallels of Nostradamus with 'predictions' of and by religious 'Prophets'.
 
No I'm not confused. I believe it's a combination of interpretation of vagueness, predictions based upon an element of knowledge, logic and analysis of trends in society, economics, politics etc, with a healthy does of coincidence thrown in. Along with a tiny bit of self-fulfilling prophecy in some cases.

I raised this thread to highlight the parallels of Nostradamus with 'predictions' of and by religious 'Prophets'.

That is the only explanation we can logically come to.

The prophet's on the other hand put down their predictions to divine intervention, unless they secretly also relied upon element of knowledge and the other inspirations you cite for Nostradamus's prophecies.
 
That is the only explanation we can logically come to.

The prophet's on the other hand put down their predictions to divine intervention, unless they secretly also relied upon element of knowledge and the other inspirations you cite for Nostradamus's prophecies.
If some claimed Nostradamus to be a 'Prophet', and created a religion around him and his 'prophecies' (say Nostra), then how different is that to Prophet Jesus & Christianity, Prophet Moses & Judaism, Prophet Mohammed and Islam, or the 'Prophets' of any other religion?
 
If some claimed Nostradamus to be a 'Prophet', and created a religion around him and his 'prophecies' (say Nostra), then how different is that to Prophet Jesus & Christianity, Prophet Moses & Judaism, Prophet Mohammed and Islam, or the 'Prophets' of any other religion?

Not much difference, he'd need a good marketing team though to advocate his prophet hood and target constituencies where he's most likely to succeed and take it from there. Although he may need to be a good magician as well in order to perform various miracles
 
If some claimed Nostradamus to be a 'Prophet', and created a religion around him and his 'prophecies' (say Nostra), then how different is that to Prophet Jesus & Christianity, Prophet Moses & Judaism, Prophet Mohammed and Islam, or the 'Prophets' of any other religion?

Not much difference, he'd need a good marketing team though to advocate his prophet hood and target constituencies where he's most likely to succeed and take it from there. Although he may need to be a good magician as well in order to perform various miracles

Pretty much described Sai Baba of India there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sathya_Sai_Baba
 
Do you mean this bloke:


My auntie was a fan of his TV show

Well that guy lived in the late 1800s/early 1900s and was a religious leader of sorts. Or a prophet or avatar as his followers would describe him.

Then in the 1940s some guy in South India popped up and proclaimed to all that he was the reincarnation of the previous Sai Baba.

Saihi41.jpg


The second Sai Baba (now dead too) was the more controversial of the two however both have millions of followers. Both are said to have made predictions, performed miracles etc.
 
Well that guy lived in the late 1800s/early 1900s and was a religious leader of sorts. Or a prophet or avatar as his followers would describe him.

Then in the 1940s some guy in South India popped up and proclaimed to all that he was the reincarnation of the previous Sai Baba.

Saihi41.jpg


The second Sai Baba (now dead too) was the more controversial of the two however both have millions of followers. Both are said to have made predictions, performed miracles etc.

Understood, reading up on him his path seems strikingly similar to this fella:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirza_Ghulam_Ahmad

What do you think?

Both proclaimed to be the definite messiah although am not sure if Sai Baba claim was as disputed as Ahmed's.
 
Well that guy lived in the late 1800s/early 1900s and was a religious leader of sorts. Or a prophet or avatar as his followers would describe him.

Then in the 1940s some guy in South India popped up and proclaimed to all that he was the reincarnation of the previous Sai Baba.

Saihi41.jpg


The second Sai Baba (now dead too) was the more controversial of the two however both have millions of followers. Both are said to have made predictions, performed miracles etc.


What do you think about Prophecy of an Indian for a Claimant of 2nd coming of Messiah living in USA ?

Prophecy regarding John Alexander Dowie

" Prayer Duel "


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Alexander_Dowie


Dowie's followers vanished from earth in no time as if they never existed in first place.

[MENTION=4930]Yossarian[/MENTION] [MENTION=135579]Heisenberg[/MENTION]
 
Nostradamus was no Prophet for goodness sake. Coincidentally, he perhaps did get a few predictions right but what is not told is how most of his prophecies failed. His supporters had a website nostradamusonline.com until a few years back to predict the "great changes" that were supposedly to happen around 2014. When it was all proved false they removed the site so not to embarrass themselves any further. He was a Jew who converted to Catholicism then claimed to see visions after he became drunk:ahmed Every drunkard see's imaginary such visions!
 
Nostradamus was no Prophet for goodness sake. Coincidentally, he perhaps did get a few predictions right but what is not told is how most of his prophecies failed. His supporters had a website nostradamusonline.com until a few years back to predict the "great changes" that were supposedly to happen around 2014. When it was all proved false they removed the site so not to embarrass themselves any further. He was a Jew who converted to Catholicism then claimed to see visions after he became drunk:ahmed Every drunkard see's imaginary such visions!


Allah States in the Qur’an in regards to a heavenly sign for the latter day Messiah and Mahdi:

يَسْأَلُ أَيَّانَ يَوْمُ الْقِيَامَةِ {7} فَإِذَا بَرِقَ الْبَصَرُ {8}

وَخَسَفَ الْقَمَرُ {9} وَجُمِعَ الشَّمْسُ وَالْقَمَرُ {10} يَقُولُ الْإِنْسَانُ يَوْمَئِذٍ أَيْنَ الْمَفَرُّ {11}



“He asks: When will be the day of Resurrection? When the eye is dazzled, And the moon is eclipsed, And the sun and the moon are brought together, On that day man will say, whither to escape?” (Chapter 75 Verses 7-11)



This sign is also explained in the ahadith of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. He states:



حدثنا أبو سعيد الإصطخري ، ثنا محمد بن عبد الله بن نوفل ، ثنا عبيد بن يعيش، ثنا يونس بن بكير عن عمرو بن شمر عنجابر عن محمد بن علي قال : إن لمهدينا آيتين لم تكونا منذ خلق السماوات والأرض ينكسف القمر لأول ليلة من رمضان وتنكسف الشمس في النصف منه ولم تكونا منذ خلق الله السموات والأرض.



For our Mahdi (Spiritual Reformer) there are two Signs which have never occurred before since the creation of the heavens and the earth, namely, the moon will be eclipsed on the first night in Ramadhan (i.e., on the first of the nights on which a lunar eclipse can occur) and the Sun will be eclipsed on the middle day of Ramadhan (i.e., on the middle day on which a solar eclipse can occur) and these Signs have not happened since the creation of the heavens and the earth (Dar Qutni Vol.1, p.188)



[MENTION=4930]Yossarian[/MENTION] this is the difference between Prophet's Prophecies which are not guess work or predictions based on ground realities but are based on information fed to them by Allah almighty through revelation.
 

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“It is difficult to prophesy, particularly about the future"

No one has able to predict future 100% accurately.

If you say so many thing, some might stick, especially if you keep those things sufficiently vague.

Re: nostradamus what stopped him to use the word Hitler?
 
[MENTION=4930]Yossarian[/MENTION] was Nostradamus in contact with any angel or demonic entity? what are his beliefs, I've read that some cheeky jins over hear angels discussing earthly events and they return such info back to person on earth whom they have made a deal with.

My theory is, the jin doesn't always accurately listen to what is being said word for word because he has to be discreet to avoid detection and other times when he or she is caught they need to make a quick escape so don't always obtain all the information they need. Maybe that would explain the vagueness of the prophecies and inconsistent success rate whilst there are some gems which are on point [MENTION=141922]ExpressPacer[/MENTION] [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION]

I once went to a astrologer and he asked me to squeeze his hand. I squeezed it hard and then he wrote that I had a "strong personality" :)

I don't really believe in predictions. They are usually vague and can fit many different situations. If anyone could really predict the future, they should be able to say something precise.
 
Well that guy lived in the late 1800s/early 1900s and was a religious leader of sorts. Or a prophet or avatar as his followers would describe him.

Then in the 1940s some guy in South India popped up and proclaimed to all that he was the reincarnation of the previous Sai Baba.

Saihi41.jpg


The second Sai Baba (now dead too) was the more controversial of the two however both have millions of followers. Both are said to have made predictions, performed miracles etc.

If i am not wrong, Sachin tendulkar is also one of sai baba's followers?
 
Nostradamus was not a prophet. He may be a satan worshiper . Its a possibility.
No one's saying he was a prophet. But anyone believing he was would have as much justification as the believers in other other prophets down the millenia.
 
Correct. The operative word being "most". However, are they all coincidences when so many of them have an uncanny resemblance to actual events centuries later. Can they all, each and every one of them, simply be dismissed out of hand? :13:

Yes.
 
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