"Not angry at ICC but have anger for those who have made a big deal out of this" : Sarfaraz Ahmed

[PakPremi]

And you have no clue of what you're doing here, mixing two different things.

It's common even in the US to say, black male, age 30, police describes person of interest like that.

But nobody can say "Hey you black!".

Similarly you cannot say oye kaaalay or Abey kaaalayy.

Why being so thick?

Context changes and it's really bad .

Sarfraz did not say hey you black to the player. He did not even address him but muttered to himself which many policemen also do in USA and here in uk but are smart enough not to do in front of Mic or cameras or anyone who is likely to grass them up.

 

[Buffet]

With his statements he is simply insulting Phehlukwayo more.

 

[Hawkeye]

Sarfraz did not say hey you black to the player. He did not even address him but muttered to himself which many policemen also do in USA and here in uk but are smart enough not to do in front of Mic or cameras or anyone who is likely to grass them up.

You got your answer below

Please stop taking it lightly, it's bad even for our country.
Only losing respect.

And they are racist just like Sarfraz and many posters defending such acts. No wonder it's hard to get rid of racism.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Sarfraz did not say hey you black to the player. He did not even address him but muttered to himself which many policemen also do in USA and here in uk but are smart enough not to do in front of Mic or cameras or anyone who is likely to grass them up.

True, as long as one doesnt mean to demean me on basis of ms skin color its fine for me.

Anyone can murmur and call me brown for all they want in their language if they use brown as just a term for referring me, i wont mind and wont call them racist.

It all depends on intention and the culture someone is brought up in.

Though in an ideal world (which probably will take 50 more years) no one should be referred due to his caste or race.

 

[aukhan]

How ignorant he is.

He is angry at the original tweeter and still not ashamed of why he was punished. That apology was clearly written by his Gladiators manager. Such a disgrace that some people are using culture excuse to justify his wrong comments to an SA cricketer.

The way thibgs are going Sarfraz will soon leave afridi behind with his media politicking and potty mouth.

 

[Saj]

How ignorant he is.

He is angry at the original tweeter and still not ashamed of why he was punished. That apology was clearly written by his Gladiators manager. Such a disgrace that some people are using culture excuse to justify his wrong comments to an SA cricketer.

The way thibgs are going Sarfraz will soon leave afridi behind with his media politicking and potty mouth.

He's angry with the umpires for doing their job.
He's angry with the match referee for doing his job.
He's angry with the ICC for doing its job.
He's angry with people for noticing what he said.

Everyone's fault apart from his.

 

[sjahmed23]

This guy reminds me of aamir liaqat.

 

[aukhan]

Thats really sad. You expect Pakistan captain to be better than this. His continous denial is giving bad name to our cricket. Questions regarding the controversy should have been avoided in the press conference but he was more interested in throwing the blame at others for his fault.

 

[MRSN]

He's angry with the umpires for doing their job.
He's angry with the match referee for doing his job.
He's angry with the ICC for doing its job.
He's angry with people for noticing what he said.

Everyone's fault apart from his.

You forgot the most important one..He's angry with the "mic".))

 

[Stark]

no, that wasn't the N word. It was nickname of M Nicholas, M Nicka or sth like that.

LOL no, it was a genuine slip of tounge by Boom Boom, he wanted to say "Thanks Mark Nicholas". Mark was hosting the presentation ceremony.
But, that was funny.

You may wanna listen to the clip again. He DEF used the N word.

 

[PakPremi]

You got your answer below

Please stop taking it lightly, it's bad even for our country.
Only losing respect.

I'm not sure what you guys are talking about here he has acknowledged he made mistake and apologised. Many here acting as holier than thou , as if they never made a terrible mistake.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Keeping your mouth shut always helps lol

 

[dildilpak]

I'm not sure what you guys are talking about here he has acknowledged he made mistake and apologised. Many here acting as holier than thou , as if they never made a terrible mistake.

The thing is that his apology is not a clean apology, he is still justifying the use of his words citing the cultural context & is angry with others for pointing it out. It might be acceptable to say ‘kaalay’ in Pakistan (it should not, but thats a separate discussion), but it is offensive in most other countries & as a captain he should know how to behave while visiting other countries, so why is he angry when others pointed out his mistake? PCB & Sarfaraz are the ones prolonging the issue - they should just say sorry & move on.

 

[a_tahir]

You think educatednpeople in sub continent don't use that as abuse? You are very wrong if you think so, it's a very common practice in sub continent to use skin colour, profession, region, caste as insult.. It's not about illiteracy it's about the corrupted mindset over the years.

Sarfaraz isn't illiterate though.
Did he just assume it just because he doesn't know english??
That's called ignorance

 

[Amjid Javed]

Wow, never knew some one could be so self centred, ignorant, delude and talk so much rubbish until i read sarfrazs comment.

No wonder teams regressing under him. Wow hes living off one perfoymances against worst Aussie team in 30 years.

Please sack this fool pcb and never select him again.

 

[a_tahir]

First thing, calling someone black isn't racist.
If it was then the videos titled "black guy vs brown guy" would have long before been deleted.
Secondly, Sarfaraz isn't illiterate so assuming that shows the people's ignorance.
Thirdly, he's said sorry and the guy has forgiven him. It wasn't right for him to say that but he's been forgiven so move on.
The people of this century get offended so easily. SMH

 

[Wristy_Shuffler]

Except he was not saying that person was black. He was saying - hey *******. That is definitely racist. And color/race is as much a protected category as much disability in most private and government policies because in all those context the words are used to demean and insult people

This is the debate though, isn't it? You say it's definitely racist which is a strong claim. As I have always understood the term, it refers to a colour. It's inappropriate and offensive depending on context but racist? For me that would put it in the same category as other more well known terms which have a dark history associated with them and always carry a sinister intent which this term doesn't.

This is a very interesting topic and it's brought to the surface a conversation that's rarely seen on PP - that of race, we're used to complaining about it being on the receiving end but this is the first time the opposite is being discussed. The point is that racism, especially against black people is not something you see in Asia for obvious reasons. I don't think we should look at this as we would look at it from the western world. Yes, racism is a huge deal and we should be discussing this as we are now but Cricket as sport is unique in that it crosses contrasting cultures that no other sport really does. An issue like this deserves a more nuanced approach than just saying "yep, this is racism, he's a racist, throw the book at him." When it's probably a bit more complicated than that.

Also, does anybody else find it a bit ironic that the same people who perpetuated and were the biggest racists of any age are now the one's who think they are have the right to police racism across cultures and countries?

 

[Saj]

You forgot the most important one..He's angry with the "mic".))

Ah yes, that darn conspiring and biased mic. How dare it reveal what was said.

 

[Plumb]

Let the haters hate more.... they can get the services of “burnol”. He did wrong he apologized now stop reading between the lines and move on. I know it must be painful to see he may comeback as captain but suck it up and accept it and support the team

 

[SportsWarrior]

Wow this guy is yet to learn a lesson that we learnt as a six year old in 80s. We used to be friends (still are) friends with a Muslim family who lived in our blocks. Some of us are brahmin and other lower castes. Since all of us were extremely close and kind of brought up like brothers it was very very common to call each other with names which referred to our caste and religion. For example Muslim family uncle used to say to his wife hey don't finish the home made mutton Biriyani, that <mildly derogatory word for brahmin family uncle > will kill you. We routinely used to say <mildly derogatory term for South Indian Muslims > gone for praying and he will come join the fielding team when we used to play cricket. But with all that closeness we all learned and were thought that those were derogatory and others might take offense. Even when one or two outsiders were around, even as a six/ seven year olds we never used those terms.

We all are product of our upbringing and environment. But we all should learn what is acceptable in our environment and what is not outside that environment. I am surprised that 30+ year old captain of an international team hasn't learnt that.

As a side and again not to put Sarfarz down, is he well educated or atleast well read?

 

[GLORY OF '92]

What annoys me is that those posters themselves know what he said is absolutely disgusting. Yet they are willing to defend it because of the nationality of the player who said it.

Nothing disgusting at all. Stop being a typical Indian. He just said the guy was lucky that his mother was praying for him. Simple.

 

[SportsWarrior]

Also why is he keeping this controversy alive? Can't he learn from how Pandya and Rahul dealt with their potty mouths? Apologize sincerely, face the consequences, complete your punishment and get on with your life. We all make mistakes and there is noting to be gained by trying to prove that you are an angel when none of us are. Pandya himself is not well educated and he has dealth with it extremely well.

 

[SportsWarrior]

Nothing disgusting at all. Stop being a typical Indian. He just said the guy was lucky that his mother was praying for him. Simple.

If you along with Sarfaraz believe that then he should not have apologized. He should stand his ground and apeal his ban.

 

[ManFan]

Should just keep quiet and let it die out.

Perhaps he should take an example out of Islam himself:

“I have never regretted my silence. As for my speech, I’ve regretted it many times”. ~ Hazrat Umar ibn al Khattab RA.

 

[wasimjunior]

Do you think calling "abe mote" to a fat person won't hurt his feelings?
Do you think calling "abe langre" to a disabled person won't hurt his feelings?

People would have moved on had he accepted his mistake and not try to justify it by calling it not a big deal. This guy is captain of our national team and so many youngsters look forward to him as a role model. What example is he setting for them?

What if he used go ray to talk about Faf?

Would we say thats an insult or does it only apply to a black person? Perhaps its our thinking that is racist...

 

[light]

This guy just doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut, does he? Like bro, shut up at this point. You already screwed up enough.

 

[PakPremi]

Also why is he keeping this controversy alive? Can't he learn from how Pandya and Rahul dealt with their potty mouths? Apologize sincerely, face the consequences, complete your punishment and get on with your life. We all make mistakes and there is noting to be gained by trying to prove that you are an angel when none of us are. Pandya himself is not well educated and he has dealth with it extremely well.

Did not Pandya and Rahul had their suspensions removed - so of course they will say nothing. Sarfraz is right to justify he made a mistake, apologised and asking everyone not to make it a big issue?

 

[PakPremi]

Let the haters hate more.... they can get the services of “burnol”. He did wrong he apologized now stop reading between the lines and move on. I know it must be painful to see he may comeback as captain but suck it up and accept it and support the team&#55358;&#56619;

Could not put it better. If you read the posts of some of these posters before the incident even worse venom was being spread about Sarfraz just because he was not scoring consistently, like he is the only one in Pak team that was failing with bat.

 

[Mirpur express]

Me me me omg it’s getting worse.. it’s beggars belief that he still doesn’t see the big picture...

 

[MRSN]

What if he used go ray to talk about Faf?

Would we say thats an insult or does it only apply to a black person? Perhaps its our thinking that is racist...

Go ray is a complement. You must have seen ads about beauty creams mentioning "gori rangat" complement to white or fair skinned person.
Another example if you call some girl in Pakistan that she is "kaaali" she will never talk to you again and will take it as highly offensive word as it will hurt them emotionally but if you call then goori they will take it as a huge complement. I think this whole thing gets lost in translation and only native Pakistanis can understand how pathetic and ugly this was from our skipper.

 

[Indiafan]

What if he used go ray to talk about Faf?

Would we say thats an insult or does it only apply to a black person? Perhaps its our thinking that is racist...

Were white people enslaved insulted and suppressed for centuries? Are history lessons not taught in Pakistan that people need to ask such questions? Or are people intentionally pretending to be ignorant here/

 

[Saj]

We have interviewed Ehsan Mani, watch out for his comments on Sarfaraz's actions. He said it how it is and with no holds barred.

 

[Hitman]

We have interviewed Ehsan Mani, watch out for his comments on Sarfaraz's actions. He said it how it is and with no holds barred.

Looking forward to the interview.

 

[SportsWarrior]

Did not Pandya and Rahul had their suspensions removed - so of course they will say nothing. Sarfraz is right to justify he made a mistake, apologised and asking everyone not to make it a big issue?

They have lifted his suspensions. there was no punishment from ICC. they will face internal internal inquiry. They said nothing, just apologized and let the whole situation play out. Sarfarz on the one hand apologized and than on the other hand playing victim as if there was nothing to apologize. if he believed he did nothing wrong, he should be saying that and not apologize. if he went ahead and apologized then let it go rather than play victim.

 

[SportsWarrior]

Go ray is a complement. You must have seen ads about beauty creams mentioning "gori rangat" complement to white or fair skinned person.
Another example if you call some girl in Pakistan that she is "kaaali" she will never talk to you again and will take it as highly offensive word as it will hurt them emotionally but if you call then goori they will take it as a huge complement. I think this whole thing gets lost in translation and only native Pakistanis can understand how pathetic and ugly this was from our skipper.

most of the audience here are South Asians who understand the context and the meaning in the original language perfectly well. it was a plain insult, derogative and racist. I don't know if Sarfaraz is racist or not, but the language is certainly racist. no one can objectively deny that.

 

[sshakir411]

It’s true that nothing offensive was said about the mother. The only issue was using the word kaalay..which btw does not translate to the n word. It simply means black. Shouldn’t have used it. Period. But in no way was meant to be deragatory imo.

 

[cricketworm]

Unfortunately, that's the issue with outdated desi people. They just don't understand that they are racist, and it's worse kind of racism. It is a deregoratory racist term.

 

[sshakir411]

Unfortunately, that's the issue with outdated desi people. They just don't understand that they are racist, and it's worse kind of racism. It is a deregoratory racist term.

Is white a deregotary racist term? In the US both white and black are not racist terms. The use of them is frowned upon and has been replaced by Caucasian and African American.

 

[giri26]

Is white a deregotary racist term? In the US both white and black are not racist terms. The use of them is frowned upon and has been replaced by Caucasian and African American.

The context matters. I lived in the US for 14 years, I would never walk up to an African American and call him "Hey Black Man", that will be considered as racist. That is what "Abey Kaale" means. People trying to justify this is insane. White and Black might not be racist on its own but when you call the people that to them, it becomes racist.

 

[sshakir411]

The context matters. I lived in the US for 14 years, I would never walk up to an African American and call him "Hey Black Man", that will be considered as racist. That is what "Abey Kaale" means. People trying to justify this is insane. White and Black might not be racist on its own but when you call the people that to them, it becomes racist.

I didn't justify it. I just don't think Sarfraz mean to say/imply the n word.

 

[Itachi]

I didn't justify it. I just don't think Sarfraz mean to say/imply the n word.

We say many things which we don't imply. Doesn't make us less guilty though.

 

[Babbar]

Its disgusting to see that some have taken this episode and cashed in to show Pakistan as a racist country.

Pakistanis can be anything but we are not racist (majority of us).

Pakistan is a religious country where core Islamic principles are religiously followed and racism is a thing on which all sects of Islam agree on. The example of Last sermon of Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H against racism is given frequently. Every kid since an early age is taught that no one is superior on the base of race.

Thats why i said before, we can be anything but we are not racist.

Pakistan's problem is religious extremism (due to non-agreement on Islamic issues) not racism.

Islam is not racist, nor does Islam teach you to lie, kill, rape. Islam teaches you to work hard and study wherever and from whoever. How many Pakistani or Arabs or India Muslims follow that!

Let’s not think that because Islam does not allow something, Pakistan can’t be blamed for doing that! No religion allows racism but still it exists! We all know what an ordinary Indian or Pakistani thinks of neg.. or Habs...

Why not just apologise unconditionally and move on. Punishment is already done! No use continuously trying to defend in passive-aggressive manner (don’t blame ICC, but...) and “Asmaan se Gira, khajoor....”

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Islam is not racist, nor does Islam teach you to lie, kill, rape. Islam teaches you to work hard and study wherever and from whoever. How many Pakistani or Arabs or India Muslims follow that!

Let’s not think that because Islam does not allow something, Pakistan can’t be blamed for doing that! No religion allows racism but still it exists! We all know what an ordinary Indian or Pakistani thinks of neg.. or Habs...

Why not just apologise unconditionally and move on. Punishment is already done! No use continuously trying to defend in passive-aggressive manner (don’t blame ICC, but...) and “Asmaan se Gira, khajoor....”

Clearly you didnt understand what i said.

In Pakistan (if you have lived here) racism is denounced since an early age. The lesson that no one is superior on basis of race is taught to kids again and again and again. Islam has many aspects and racism is one aspect which is highly emphasized since a very early age. In assemblies, in class, in schools, at home and in mosques. The example of Khutba Hijjatul Wida (Last sermon of Holy prophet P.B.U.H) is give many times if you have been raised in Pakistan.

Hence an average Pakistani kid doesnt hold any hatred or superiority over somebody due to their color. I dont know about Arabs and their culture as i havent lived there so cant comment but we (Pakistanis) can be many things but not racist.

The reason religious extremism exist is difference in different interpretation of Islam and you see since an early age clerics of different sects fill our ears how other sects are wrong and how some are kaafir and others are biddati. But racism is one thing on which all Islamic clerics are on the same page.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

most of the audience here are South Asians who understand the context and the meaning in the original language perfectly well. it was a plain insult, derogative and racist. I don't know if Sarfaraz is racist or not, but the language is certainly racist. no one can objectively deny that.

Yeah so the great WI team which is called "Kaali Aandhi" (black-windflaw) by almost everyone in Pakistan makes them all racist?

I dont know about India but the term "kaalay" is being used in Pakistan for different meanings under different contexts. Usually when Pakistanis refer someone of black race they call them "kaalay" for just referring them not as an insult or to degrade them. Similarly a common term "gooray" for westerners not to put them in high value but just to refer them. "Koi goori pasand aa gaye hai kia". As there is not a widely used substitute term.

But when someone of our own Pakistani is called "kaalay" in Urdu by another Urdu speaking person there will be 10 others who will come in defence of that person and say things like "no one should be targetted due to his appearance" because that person can understand Urdu and it might hurt his feelings. And these are the same people who refer WI team as kaali aandhi and Africans in general as kaalay.

There are things which are wrong and should change but this doesnt make us racist. It all goes down on intention and the culture one is bought up in.

Please dont equate India with Pakistan as we are different in some aspects. Indians from who i know use MC , BC for fun especially the ones from Dehli but many Pakistanis take offence if someone abuse you and target your blood relations. Unless if you are not a friend MC, BC usually leads to fights.

 

[Mirpur express]

Pakistani society in a nutshell

Pathetic *

 

[Hitman]

Nothing disgusting at all. Stop being a typical Indian. He just said the guy was lucky that his mother was praying for him. Simple.

Yea, he said nothing deplorable at all. He just made a simple joke. And yet the evil ICC victimized him and banned him. Not to mention 95% Pak posters on PP have expressed their disgust and disappointment at the captain. Never knew there are so many posters here who can't see the obvious truth that you do.

 

[PakPremi]

The context matters. I lived in the US for 14 years, I would never walk up to an African American and call him "Hey Black Man", that will be considered as racist. That is what "Abey Kaale" means. People trying to justify this is insane. White and Black might not be racist on its own but when you call the people that to them, it becomes racist.

Why can people not understand that he has not addressed the said player as "Hey Black Man", he was not in conversation with him, but muttering to himself. Many people in UK or USA would refer to black man as "Kalaa man" or White person as "****", but not address them as such in front of their face. Those who are claiming that they would not are lying. So Sarfraz was stupid to let it slip it loud, and is rightly punished even if he said in Pakistan let alone SA. He has accepted his punishment and those that are claiming he has not lack urdu comprehension and context of replies he has given in his press conference to the media. I get if you do not like someone then anything he says to defend himself will be twisted.

 

[Babbar]

Clearly you didnt understand what i said.

In Pakistan (if you have lived here) racism is denounced since an early age. The lesson that no one is superior on basis of race is taught to kids again and again and again. Islam has many aspects and racism is one aspect which is highly emphasized since a very early age. In assemblies, in class, in schools, at home and in mosques. The example of Khutba Hijjatul Wida (Last sermon of Holy prophet P.B.U.H) is give many times if you have been raised in Pakistan.

Hence an average Pakistani kid doesnt hold any hatred or superiority over somebody due to their color. I dont know about Arabs and their culture as i havent lived there so cant comment but we (Pakistanis) can be many things but not racist.

Sorry! What’s mandated in Islam has nothing to do with this. If Pakistani people have followed the true Islam, there would not be any corruption, bribery, lies, poverty, illiteracy, murders, terrorism. Unfortunately, people do lot of nonsense hiding behind the scriptures.

S..t happens because most humans, including most of us, stray from the chosen path. Racism exists in India/Pakistan and is so prevalent that we don’t realise when we are insensitive. Sarfaraz is still trying to weasel out means he’s blind to what he did. His said words have no meaning except as a desperate attempt to save his livelihood.

 

[SportsWarrior]

Yeah so the great WI team which is called "Kaali Aandhi" (black-windflaw) by almost everyone in Pakistan makes them all racist?

I dont know about India but the term "kaalay" is being used in Pakistan for different meanings under different contexts. Usually when Pakistanis refer someone of black race they call them "kaalay" for just referring them not as an insult or to degrade them. Similarly a common term "gooray" for westerners not to put them in high value but just to refer them. "Koi goori pasand aa gaye hai kia". As there is not a widely used substitute term.

But when someone of our own Pakistani is called "kaalay" in Urdu by another Urdu speaking person there will be 10 others who will come in defence of that person and say things like "no one should be targetted due to his appearance" because that person can understand Urdu and it might hurt his feelings. And these are the same people who refer WI team as kaali aandhi and Africans in general as kaalay.

There are things which are wrong and should change but this doesnt make us racist. It all goes down on intention and the culture one is bought up in.

Please dont equate India with Pakistan as we are different in some aspects. Indians from who i know use MC , BC for fun especially the ones from Dehli but many Pakistanis take offence if someone abuse you and target your blood relations. Unless if you are not a friend MC, BC usually leads to fights.

man we all know that.. we all understand urdu and context.. we all call each other all sorts of names in a friendly manner the same way you are explaining. but we also learn that they are mild derogatory terms and shouldn't be used openly with others.. Among friends it is perfectly okay...

regarding MC, BC that is a very specific Delhi and surrounding areas habit.. lots of places people will get beaten up or even murdered for using them, especially in parts of South India..

 

[PakPremi]

Sorry! What’s mandated in Islam has nothing to do with this. If Pakistani people have followed the true Islam, there would not be any corruption, bribery, lies, poverty, illiteracy, murders, terrorism. Unfortunately, people do lot of nonsense hiding behind the scriptures.

S..t happens because most humans, including most of us, stray from the chosen path. Racism exists in India/Pakistan and is so prevalent that we don’t realise when we are insensitive. Sarfaraz is still trying to weasel out means he’s blind to what he did. His said words have no meaning except as a desperate attempt to save his livelihood.

His livelihood is safe don't worry about that. Top marks for him showing mirror to those hypocrites and bullies who are still throwing stones toward him and not accepting his apology and regret for slip of a tongue.

 

[BD Tigers]

What has Pakpassion done to deal with this issue? Thats what I wanna know.

 

[Saj]

What has Pakpassion done to deal with this issue? Thats what I wanna know.

Well we have interviewed PCB Chairman Ehsan Mani about it.

 

[sshakir411]

The comments on this topic show exactly how unaware some people are on what racism is or how someone is considered a racist. I just got an email from my company (one of the largest corporates in the world) on BOLD (Black Organization for Leadership Development). This is to celebrate “Black Heritage”and the firms new initiative called “Advancing Black Pathways”. The term black does not equate to the n word and is NOT considered racist.

 

[rhony]

The comments on this topic show exactly how unaware some people are on what racism is or how someone is considered a racist. I just got an email from my company (one of the largest corporates in the world) on BOLD (Black Organization for Leadership Development). This is to celebrate “Black Heritage”and the firms new initiative called “Advancing Black Pathways”. The term black does not equate to the n word and is NOT considered racist.

Did they also invite the black people to a room and say " hey black guy, we got good news for you" ?

Now you know how unaware you are

 

[sshakir411]

Did they also invite the black people to a room and say " hey black guy, we got good news for you" ?

Now you know how unaware you are

Uhmm everyone on the leadership team is Black. So basically they’re all saying come join us Black folks to talk about how to further the Black workforce.

Would be good if y’all actually knew black people in person.

 

[sshakir411]

Uhmm everyone on the leadership team is Black. So basically they’re all saying come join us Black folks to talk about how to further the Black workforce.

Would be good if y’all actually knew black people in person.

Not to forget important days in the US like National Black Movement Day, Black History Month, etc...

 

[Sachin136]

Uhmm everyone on the leadership team is Black. So basically they’re all saying come join us Black folks to talk about how to further the Black workforce.

Would be good if y’all actually knew black people in person.

You didn't answer his question. Do they verbally say "hey black dude"? If not, then your example contributes nothing to the discussion.

 

[rhony]

Not to forget important days in the US like National Black Movement Day, Black History Month, etc...

That's the point. The word 'black' by itself is not offensive. It's calling a black guy, "hey black guy" that's considered rasicm.

 

[rhony]

Uhmm everyone on the leadership team is Black. So basically they’re all saying come join us Black folks to talk about how to further the Black workforce.

Would be good if y’all actually knew black people in person.

A black person calling another black person N word or hey ******* is not offensive either. It seems complicated but it's simple. Don't objectify or stereotype a person of another race with his/her race.

 

[ali2220]

I don't think Sarf is racist, my only problem is i fear that Sarf haven't learnt anything from the terrible mistake he did.

 

[Babbar]

A black person calling another black person N word or hey ******* is not offensive either. It seems complicated but it's simple. Don't objectify or stereotype a person of another race with his/her race.

I don’t think most ‘fairer’ Pakistanis or Indians think of themselves as black men, except when it helps get refugee status, minority benefits or as get-out-of-jail-card like in Sarfi’s case!

I doubt Sarfi considered himself as black when he said. If you are dark (like Pandya , you won’t call other person as Kaalu or Kalya. A 4’11” guy will not call other person ‘Chotu’.

Sarfi probably thought himself to be a proud Mongol-Persian-Turkish descendent like many around him.

That said, he made mistake and got punished! Topic should be over till next time.

 

[cricketworm]

I didn't justify it. I just don't think Sarfraz mean to say/imply the n word.

That's what I say that many desi people don't realize that it's wrong to say black or white, as it has normalized a lot. If Sarfaraz was Dr. and was saying that I saw black man with complain of chest pain compare to "yeh kaala aaj kya kha ke aye hai".

 

[MenInG]

Mickey Arthur on Sarfaraz today:


"I was kept in the loop by the PCB. What Sarfaraz did was wrong and it was worked through, we spoke through it and educated the team through that process. Saifi took it on the chin and apologised and moved forward. He was sanctioned by ICC but that's between PCB and ICC. He's been punished, he's apologised and we can move forward"

"The insecurities around Saifi have been put to bed now. We've got clarity, I was part of that conversation with the chairman, Inzi and some other role players. We are very comfortable with Sarfaraz leading the team forward"