the definition of mediocrity!
the measure of greatness is how you can sustain it- being at no. 1 for a couple of weeks really doesn't mean much
Especially after the phanti in NZ and Aus
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the definition of mediocrity!
the measure of greatness is how you can sustain it- being at no. 1 for a couple of weeks really doesn't mean much
Especially after the phanti in NZ and Aus
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Achieving the no 1 ranking is a culmination of several years of hard work and well fought series, just because the summit was only eclipsed for a few weeks doesn't take away the fact that iirc Pakistan went on a 7 series unbeaten streak and won 5 series in the process in a 2 year run to reach such a status.
Also, it is rather inane to call reaching the no 1 position, even for a few weeks as mediocre. Mediocrity is about poor performance and resultant poor outcomes, as such that has happened only recently in this last 6 match run and yes the team has been poor but that doesn't give anyone free writ to revise past history.
mediocrity isn't reaching no. 1, mediocrity is being okay with 'just reaching' no. 1
I'm not overlooking the importance or hard work of reaching no. 1, Im just saying losing 6 straight test matches for the first time in your Test Cricket History and falling to no. 5 far outweighs the 2 weeks or so at no. 1 ranking
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Dhoni held on to the no ranking in test way much longer than Misbah, going by that logic, he is a way better captain that Misbah
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What did other batsmen do?? Hafeez's silly shot? Afridi? Younis?
Your personal agenda against him highlighted in you blaming him for the current T20I ranking when he hasn't played T20Is for many years - that's pretty pathetic of you that.
Well according to you it seems he's responsible for global warming, the Middle-East crisis and Trump being elected #MisbahsFault
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How many Pakistani teams have reached the #1 position in test cricket? You're a very entitled and deluded fan.
It really doesn't outweigh being ranked #1. Pakistan has been whitewashed thrice in succession in Australia so Misbah didn't commit any unique failure.
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I disagree - this current Pakistani team is no where near being ATG, so the expectation for them to be able to maintain the no 1 ranking is rather absurd as they don't have the quality and more importantly, the mental resolve to win or save matches in difficult situations consistently that you would imagine a great side could. The fact that this was the only time in post 2003 rankings Pakistan have achieved the no 1 spot and also the first time in almost 30 years, although only for 6 weeks, it is an all time achievement that will overshadow the losing streak that culminates Misbah's captaincy term.
I totally agree that everyone deserves to be castigated for the horrible losses we've had in this run, 3 of them IIRC has involved losing our heads completely and collapsing with 8-9 wickets in very few overs with no sense of game awareness or mental application (2nd Test vs NZ, MCG and SCG vs Aus). However, this has happened plenty of times in the past and getting humiliated in Australia has become common with Pakistani travels Down Under so no there is no valid justification comparing the no 1 ranking achievement with the losing 6 match streak, as the latter is of far more significance than the former.
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No. It was definitely a reality and built upon consistently good performances over a period of six years.
Of course, you, having had an agenda against Misbah throughout his career, would never accept that he proved you utterly wrong.
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Misbah became skipper when a sensible, controversy free head was required and this is what he delivered so very well done to Misbah for doing a good job keeping the team away from negative press and showing the world Pakistan cricket can be stable, effective and entertaining(at times).
In terms of tactics and positive cricket, he was a very average captain. A defensive batsmen who transferred his defensive attitude towards his captaincy. He didn't know his best XI and too often allowed failures to continue such as Hafeez for far too long.
Overall after what happened in 2010 I would take what Misbah has given. Under him Pakistan cricket may not have reached the heights and potential it could have but re-gained a lot of respect in the cricketing world which was more important.
In terms of tactics and positive cricket, he was a very average captain. A defensive batsmen who transferred his defensive attitude towards his captaincy. He didn't know his best XI and too often allowed failures to continue such as Hafeez for far too long.
Overall after what happened in 2010 I would take what Misbah has given. Under him Pakistan cricket may not have reached the heights and potential it could have but re-gained a lot of respect in the cricketing world which was more important.
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Indeed, Ian Chappel has a lot of respect for Pakistan Cricket, so much respect that he has demanded Cricket Australia never to invite such an honorable, respectful Cricket team into Australian shores ever again.
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Very funny argument that Misbah didn't commit any unique failure. Why criticize Mohd Yousaf's captaincy then? He didn't commit any unique failure, heck he even won a test match in NZ and was able to win a test series against SA.
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He groomed most of the players in the T-20 squad, you still fail to acknowledge Misbah's lack of responsibility for the real standing of the team in tests and ODI's.
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You are truly deluded. Your 'aggressive' hero Afridi led the T20 to embarassment. Any words on that?
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Who is talking about Afridi? He played the same players who have been victim of the Misbah virus for the last 6-7 years.
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Chappel was referring to the performances in the recent test series, his previous views on how the team is calm led by a calm skipper are also known. Just as the views of most of those who discuss Pakistan cricket have stated Misbah has helped turn a volatile team into a clam, professional unit. All Pak fans are hurt and yes Misbah hasn't been the best batsmen or captain in terms of performing on the pitch but there is no doubting he bought stability to the team which was needed after the 2009 attack on SL and 2010 fixing scandal. A cool mature head was needed and Misbah delivered in this regard.
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There's no doubt that Misbah took the ODI team down to the gutter. He was just not a good ODI captain or player in the latter half of his career. And he kept good players out.
He did well with the test team though to get to no. 1. Just, as others have pointed out, he held on a bit too long. But I don't blame him for that. He thought he could go on after the tour of the UK and I don't think it would have been the best time to hand over the captaincy either. But who would have expected how poor and negative he would be in this test series? Incomprehensible, some of his field settings. He should retire now.
I think his legacy will continue to divide fans.
He did well with the test team though to get to no. 1. Just, as others have pointed out, he held on a bit too long. But I don't blame him for that. He thought he could go on after the tour of the UK and I don't think it would have been the best time to hand over the captaincy either. But who would have expected how poor and negative he would be in this test series? Incomprehensible, some of his field settings. He should retire now.
I think his legacy will continue to divide fans.
Get your head out of the sand and tell everyone why you hate Misbah
The guy hasn't played a T20I since February 2012
So in that same vain, maybe Australia shouldn't be invited to play in Asia then?
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Get your head out of the sand and tell everyone why you hate Misbah
The guy hasn't played a T20I since February 2012
Why do you love him so much given that his legacy is No 6, No 8 and No 7.
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Point being he has absolutely no respect for Pakistan Cricket or Misbah, it just took him one series observation to call a spade a spade on Misbah and that it was absolutely riddiculous that the PCB selectors and chairman were allowing the captain to make a call on his future rather than taking the call themselves.
I don't love him. I respect him for some of the work he has done for Pakistan cricket. He has flaws but doesn't everyone. I praise him for his good work and criticise him when he deserves it, unlike you who has to resort to petty name-calling, childish digs and petty reasons to have a go at him for anything and everything.
You obviously hate him, quite sad really that you will not give him ANY credit, but instead jump on any negative comment about him and get hyped up whenever anyone says anything bad about him.
I suggest you take a deep breath, stop ripping up pictures of Misbah, stop burning your little effigy of Misbah, stop watching the World T20 final against India on repeat and actually look at Australia's record in Asia and then look at Chappell's comments in perspective.
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Misbah was appointed the captain and paid for his job that's about it. What has he done extraordinary to deserve respect? Had he gone out of his way and took bold decisions for the cricket team that would carry on for generations than yes I would respect him but he has done nothing of that sorts. He 's been given titles of "greatest captain" which is a joke. I can't recall a single player that he has groomed. In fact, he should be credited for destroying careers of younger players because of his personal preference for yes men and "seniors". He and his age mate Younis Khan should have been kicked out after failures in WC 2011. Our cricket team would have been in a better position without him.
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I will mostly remember Misbah for his knock at Mohali - the most selfish, most frustrating knock I have ever witnessed, and that too in a WC semi against India. I have detailed that knock blow by blow in some old thread. He took Pak right out of the game with that innings.
That he became ODI captain soon after that horrendous knock is shocking - only in Pakistan.
Then eventually he had to be kicked out of the T20 team and the ODI team.
Now he is also apparently not sure whether he wants to retire at 42 from tests and that too after a shocking series with both bat and captaincy.
I can understand AlphaFighter's frustration with Misbah fans.
I remember when he had a fit and burned his cricket equipment or whatever after being dropped. That is the Misbah I remember also, and the one who had to be kicked out of the T20 and ODI team which he had damaged very badly under his tenure.
I have some soft spots for him for his 100 in the UK tour and successes in the UAE as test captain and for at least not being a clown of a captain like Afridi was for tests. But man I will not be sorry to see him go.
That he became ODI captain soon after that horrendous knock is shocking - only in Pakistan.
Then eventually he had to be kicked out of the T20 team and the ODI team.
Now he is also apparently not sure whether he wants to retire at 42 from tests and that too after a shocking series with both bat and captaincy.
I can understand AlphaFighter's frustration with Misbah fans.
I remember when he had a fit and burned his cricket equipment or whatever after being dropped. That is the Misbah I remember also, and the one who had to be kicked out of the T20 and ODI team which he had damaged very badly under his tenure.
I have some soft spots for him for his 100 in the UK tour and successes in the UAE as test captain and for at least not being a clown of a captain like Afridi was for tests. But man I will not be sorry to see him go.
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