NUST, LUMS among top 100 Asian universities

[Abdullah719]

The National University of Sciences And Technology (Nust) Islamabad and Lahore University of Management Sciences (Lums) have been listed among the top 100 varsities of Asia by the QS Asia Universities Rankings 2019.

Both universities have improved their rankings this year and are placed in the top 100 institutions in the QS list, which names about 500 varsities.

Nust climbed up from 112 last year to 87 in the 2019 rankings, while Lums, which was placed at 103 last year, moved up to 95.

Quaid-i-Azam University, that stood at 133 last year, also improved its ranking and is placed at 109 in the 2019 list. Karachi University also made it to the rankings in the 251-260 grouping.

QS evaluates universities based on six indicators: academic reputation, employer reputation, faculty students ratio, citation per faculty, international faculty ratio and international students ratio.

The top 10 universities on the list are:

National University of Singapore (NUS)
The University of Hong Kong
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore (NTU)
Tsinghua University, China
Peking University, China
Fudan University, China
The Hong Kong University of Science and Technology
KAIST - Korea Advanced Institute of Science & Technology, South Korea
The Chinese University of Hong Kong (CUHK)
Seoul National University, South Korea

https://www.dawn.com/news/1441256/nust-lums-among-top-100-asian-universities

 

[DrSchultz]

We should focus on improving standards of our large state universities that have 20,000+ students.

1) Karachi Uni
2) Punjab Uni, Lahore
3) BZU Multan
4) Islamabad University (Quaid-e-Azam university)
5) Peshawar University

 

[Syed1]

We should focus on improving standards of our large state universities that have 20,000+ students.

1) Karachi Uni
2) Punjab Uni, Lahore
3) BZU Multan
4) Islamabad University (Quaid-e-Azam university)
5) Peshawar University

Well said. These unis have multiple campuses and large student bodies and offer degrees in vast number of faculties. What I've noticed is that the environment in these universities is highly politicised and garbage organizations filled with uncouth chimpanzees like the Islami Talaba Jumaat or whatever that filth is called ruin the whole environment of the university. Faculty is also not hired on merit and often times professors keep their jobs for decades with little or no improvement. Like every other state institution our public unis are all a picture of neglect and regression.

 

[PetroDollars]

I heard there were 5 well built mosques at one campus of QAU and not a single library.

 

[BreadPakoda]

QS has the most farzi rankings.

 

[MenInG]

National University of Sciences and Technology (Nust) has refuted reports of an alleged rape of a student on its Islamabad campus.

Reports of an alleged rape of a female student at Nust's Islamabad campus surfaced online on Tuesday. The reports claim that a female student was sexually assaulted by a construction worker behind the girls' hostel. The reports, which Dawn is trying to verify independently, also allege that the girl complained to the university administration but no action was taken. So far, no First Information Report has been registered.

Nust, through its official Twitter account on Tuesday night, denied that any such incident had taken place and termed the reports "a desperate act of seeking attention" while also slamming "false rape allegations".

"What kind of a person makes fabricated rape accusations?" reads the tweet by the university. "Let’s start with the thought-provoking fact that false rape allegations ruin lives, reputations and futures. Indeed, propagating such incorrect news is the most horrendous and shameless of acts.

"Recent tweets about the alleged rape of a student are nothing but a heinous attempt to defame this prestigious seat of learning, a desperate act of seeking attention, and a complete hoax."

The university said that a "thorough" investigation has been carried out into the allegations. "The security and well-being of everyone on campus is an absolute priority for the Nust management. The investigation revealed that no such incident has taken place."

"Please rest assured that Nust is safe, and people have no reason to pay heed to this deceitful accusation," the university added.

Nust's statement, however, garnered strong reactions from citizens on social media who accused the varsity of victim blaming and trying to cover up the incident. Some students, commenting on the university's Facebook page where the statement was also shared, also took an issue with the tone of the statement.

Salman Sufi, an international public policy and gender reforms specialist who introduced the Punjab Protection of Women Against Violence Act 2016 and South Asia’s first Violence Against Women Centre, urged the university to allow an independent investigation into the incident.

"It is problematic for any institution or individual to immediately defame the victim instead of presenting themselves for an immediate & thorough investigation," he said. "This behaviour seriously damages victim's ability to seek help & justice."

He said that he would take the issue up with the Islamabad High Court if Nust does not "act in good faith".

Nust's statement was also condemned by the Progressive Students Federation on Twitter who called it "deeply concerning".

"We demand an independent inquiry of the matter and its report be made public while protecting the identity of survivor and witnesses," it said.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1524308/n...abad-campus-calls-accusations-a-complete-hoax

 

[Knight_Rider]

Well said. These unis have multiple campuses and large student bodies and offer degrees in vast number of faculties. What I've noticed is that the environment in these universities is highly politicised and garbage organizations filled with uncouth chimpanzees like the Islami Talaba Jumaat or whatever that filth is called ruin the whole environment of the university. Faculty is also not hired on merit and often times professors keep their jobs for decades with little or no improvement. Like every other state institution our public unis are all a picture of neglect and regression.

Facts aside bur What a sheer arrogance!

Plenty of people from KU and NED who have done well in western countries after getting the basic education from these same government institutions.

 

[shockbound]

National University of Sciences and Technology (Nust) has refuted reports of an alleged rape of a student on its Islamabad campus.

Reports of an alleged rape of a female student at Nust's Islamabad campus surfaced online on Tuesday. The reports claim that a female student was sexually assaulted by a construction worker behind the girls' hostel. The reports, which Dawn is trying to verify independently, also allege that the girl complained to the university administration but no action was taken. So far, no First Information Report has been registered.

Nust, through its official Twitter account on Tuesday night, denied that any such incident had taken place and termed the reports "a desperate act of seeking attention" while also slamming "false rape allegations".

"What kind of a person makes fabricated rape accusations?" reads the tweet by the university. "Let’s start with the thought-provoking fact that false rape allegations ruin lives, reputations and futures. Indeed, propagating such incorrect news is the most horrendous and shameless of acts.

"Recent tweets about the alleged rape of a student are nothing but a heinous attempt to defame this prestigious seat of learning, a desperate act of seeking attention, and a complete hoax."

The university said that a "thorough" investigation has been carried out into the allegations. "The security and well-being of everyone on campus is an absolute priority for the Nust management. The investigation revealed that no such incident has taken place."

"Please rest assured that Nust is safe, and people have no reason to pay heed to this deceitful accusation," the university added.

Nust's statement, however, garnered strong reactions from citizens on social media who accused the varsity of victim blaming and trying to cover up the incident. Some students, commenting on the university's Facebook page where the statement was also shared, also took an issue with the tone of the statement.

Salman Sufi, an international public policy and gender reforms specialist who introduced the Punjab Protection of Women Against Violence Act 2016 and South Asia’s first Violence Against Women Centre, urged the university to allow an independent investigation into the incident.

"It is problematic for any institution or individual to immediately defame the victim instead of presenting themselves for an immediate & thorough investigation," he said. "This behaviour seriously damages victim's ability to seek help & justice."

He said that he would take the issue up with the Islamabad High Court if Nust does not "act in good faith".

Nust's statement was also condemned by the Progressive Students Federation on Twitter who called it "deeply concerning".

"We demand an independent inquiry of the matter and its report be made public while protecting the identity of survivor and witnesses," it said.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1524308/n...abad-campus-calls-accusations-a-complete-hoax

Trying to dig mountain out of nothing. There is no girl claiming stuff yet everyone's trying to find something evil. Yes NUST's admin is fauji-minded bad but there's no such accident on radar.

 

[MenInG]

This sort of allegation needs careful and transparent investigation - hope its done and matter closed asap.

 

[Nadeem98]

NUST should be no.1 because they put the T in NUS (national university of Singapore).

 

[Abdullah719]

LUMS increases tuition fee by 41pc amid coronavirus outbreak

As the country battles the coronavirus outbreak, with many people uncertain about their finances, the Lahore University of Management Sciences (LUMS) has increased its tuition fee by 41 per cent, a local news outlet reported on Monday.

Reportedly, the university used to divide its total fee by 20, which resulted in a lower credit hour rate, but now the policy has been revised and the total fee is divided by 12 credit hours.

Moreover, the per credit hour fee has been increased by 13 per cent due to inflation. Given that on average students opt for 16 credit hours per semester, this adds up to a 41 per cent increase in tuition fee.

The previous fee for 20 credit hours was Rs340,200 but after the 41 per cent increase it would be Rs482,000 for the same.

While the university has stated that this would make a negligible difference, the report stated that majority of students would be affected by the new policy.

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/20...s-tuition-fee-41pc-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/

 

[Syed1]

Full sad for woke crowd now how will the libturds wage war on twitter

Iskay peechay bhi wardi hai

 

[Local.Dada]

I was fine that a lot of Chinese universities are rated highly because sure China must be doing something right with all the scientists they are producing however the fact that something like Hongkong Polytechnic institute or something like that is ranked above the IIT’s and IIM’s makes me question the Chinese bias in these rankings.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Why did you expect IITs and IIMs to be above chinese Universities?

In terms of science and technology China is light years ahead of India.

 

[Slog]

I was fine that a lot of Chinese universities are rated highly because sure China must be doing something right with all the scientists they are producing however the fact that something like Hongkong Polytechnic institute or something like that is ranked above the IIT’s and IIM’s makes me question the Chinese bias in these rankings.

Why would you expect IITs and IIMs to be above top Chinese universities when their research output is pretty disappointing

 

[Swashbuckler]

In terms of research output IITs are quite behind. In some other rankings I think I saw IISc Bangalore ranked much higher, that is a pure research institute with a great legacy and quality.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Do we have any IITian here? Would be interesting to get his or her opinion. How would they compare their institute with IISc, ISI-Kolkata, JNU, NISER, IISER, Chennai Mathematical Institute etc.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

A lot of LUMS students come from modest backgrounds. Seeing your parents struggle and sacrifice so much already for your education and receiving this news on top of that is awful

 

[Napa]

Do we have any IITian here? Would be interesting to get his or her opinion. How would they compare their institute with IISc, ISI-Kolkata, JNU, NISER, IISER, Chennai Mathematical Institute etc.

My experience as a B-Tech student last century.

Pros:
1) Challenging curriculum
2) Excellent peer group which makes access to information for career advancement available. You learn from the recent alums about what are the most challenging and rewarding career paths to take.
3) Some excellent professors.

Cons:
1) Majority of the professors were mediocre and didn't have the intellectual horsepower to keep up with the students.
2) Most of the professors were not doing advanced research, so the B-Techs didn't want to continue on to the grad programs.

 

[Napa]

Do we have any IITian here? Would be interesting to get his or her opinion. How would they compare their institute with IISc, ISI-Kolkata, JNU, NISER, IISER, Chennai Mathematical Institute etc.

As for comparing with other institutes, it is not debatable that the average quality of the IIT undergrad is higher.

That is not to say other institutes have not produced geniuses. Nadella, Nobel laureates Venki Ramakrishnan, Abhijit Banerjee etc. are not IITians.

It is hardly surprising that the IITs do not rank highly in research. The strength of the IITs is the intellectual quality of the undergrads rather than the research done by its professors (I hope this has gotten better since I was there).

 

[saeedhk]

I was fine that a lot of Chinese universities are rated highly because sure China must be doing something right with all the scientists they are producing however the fact that something like Hongkong Polytechnic institute or something like that is ranked above the IIT’s and IIM’s makes me question the Chinese bias in these rankings.

There is no bias. Hong Kong universities are too-notch! Their research output is significant. For example, HKU’s dentistry and education faculties are ranked higher than Oxford, Harvard and Cambridge because these there is a lot of R&D going on and these faculties are internationally cited.

 

[Knight_Rider]

There is no bias. Hong Kong universities are too-notch! Their research output is significant. For example, HKU’s dentistry and education faculties are <b> ranked higher than Oxford, Harvard and Cambridge </b> because these there is a lot of R&D going on and these faculties are internationally cited.

Really?

Also i think you may be getting a bit mixed, the HK University in question here is the HK Ploytechnique University and not the Univ of HK. I had a look at HK Poly Univ wiki page and it didnt look too convincing. Even for Univ of HK, i doubt that its ranked higher than Oxbridge in any ranking. I could be wrong but in that case, please share the info.

 

[Swashbuckler]

My experience as a B-Tech student last century.

Cons:
1) Majority of the professors were mediocre and didn't have the intellectual horsepower to keep up with the students.
2) Most of the professors were not doing advanced research, so the B-Techs didn't want to continue on to the grad programs.

As for comparing with other institutes, it is not debatable that the average quality of the IIT undergrad is higher.

It is hardly surprising that the IITs do not rank highly in research. The strength of the IITs is the intellectual quality of the undergrads rather than the research done by its professors (I hope this has gotten better since I was there).

Students too are to be blame if research work isn't up to the mark. How many IIT undergrads go on to do MBA after 4-5 years of slogging it out in UG? Also the alumni must give it back to their institutes, maybe many don't come back in some capacity to help out their colleges in this field. Like aiding research projects or taking job as faculty. Government massively subsidizes education in these institutes and so many students flee the country at first opportunity. Intelligence isn't the only criteria for top quality research, need determination, sense of sacrifice, hard work and most importantly ethics. Hope the government brings a rule like they have in Singapore, where the students from these top institutes (who have enjoyed subsidized education) must compulsarily stay back in India for a certain number of years preferrably in their subject field. In USSR the top students were forced to serve as teaching faculty, researchers and it worked wonders.

Which IIT did you graduate from?

 

[CobraRules]

Students too are to be blame if research work isn't up to the mark. How many IIT undergrads go on to do MBA after 4-5 years of slogging it out in UG? Also the alumni must give it back to their institutes, maybe many don't come back in some capacity to help out their colleges in this field. Like aiding research projectsor taking job as faculty. Government massively subsidizes education in these institutes and so many students flee the country at first opportunity. Intelligence isn't the only criteria for top quality research, need determination, sense of sacrifice, hard work and most importantly ethics. Hope the government brings a rule like they have in Singapore, where the students from these top institutes (who have enjoyed subsidized education) must compulsarily stay back in India for a certain number of years preferrably in their subject field. In USSR the top students were forced to serve as teaching faculty, researchers and it worked wonders.

Who will fund these research projects? Look at Fortune 500 companies. How many indian companies are there?
To have a good quality research output we need collaborations and fundings. The Govt generally funds the programs of national importance.
Let the companies come, then Projects will come and eventually research will.

The present professors are not incompetent, except a few.
No need of such conditions to keep a graduate within India and coerce them into Research field. The Alumni which goes foreign also helps in a lot of ways. IITs are a household name in silicon valley because of them.

 

[CobraRules]

Do we have any IITian here? Would be interesting to get his or her opinion. How would they compare their institute with IISc, ISI-Kolkata, JNU, NISER, IISER, Chennai Mathematical Institute etc.

1) IITs are not truly Globalised Universities. They used to focus on Undergraduates, then on the Post Graduates and then on Phd. This was basically because IITs in India were constructed to provide human resource to the industries rather than focusing on research. Their motto was different.
Their output are still students not research till now, still there is a lot of improvement in research field from 2000s.
This is not for IIsc. That's why it rated higher than IITs.

2) Infrastructure(Labs) is not upto the level of a lot of higher QS ranked Universities. This is mainly because of lack of high end projects and collaboration from Top R&D labs unlike US, China, Germany, France, UK universities.

3) IITs are Engineering universities. One dimensional.

4) International students are less. African, East Asian, Middle east students generally come to IITs.


IISER, NISER are fairly new Institutes. Unfair to compare them since they are not fully developed to their capabilities yet.

 

[prakash]

If you look at the CEOs of S&P 500 and the thousands of SVPs and VPs in S&P 500, none of the so called top 10 in Asia can hold a candle to IITs and IIMs.

 

[saeedhk]

Really?

Also i think you may be getting a bit mixed, the HK University in question here is the HK Ploytechnique University and not the Univ of HK. I had a look at HK Poly Univ wiki page and it didnt look too convincing. Even for Univ of HK, i doubt that its ranked higher than Oxbridge in any ranking. I could be wrong but in that case, please share the info.

There you go. In 2020, HKU's Dentistry is ranked number four in the world, ahead of Oxford and Cambridge. It has fallen to the fourth place from the first place. It was number one in the world for three or four consecutive years!

https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2019/dentistry

As for PolyU, it is a more than decent school. It is in the top 30 in Asia. PolyU is renowned for its research in textile.

People do not realise that despite HK's minuscule size, three of its universities are in the top thirty in the world. There is a lot of R&D going on in HK.

 

[Napa]

Students too are to be blame if research work isn't up to the mark. How many IIT undergrads go on to do MBA after 4-5 years of slogging it out in UG? Also the alumni must give it back to their institutes, maybe many don't come back in some capacity to help out their colleges in this field. Like aiding research projects or taking job as faculty. Government massively subsidizes education in these institutes and so many students flee the country at first opportunity. Intelligence isn't the only criteria for top quality research, need determination, sense of sacrifice, hard work and most importantly ethics. Hope the government brings a rule like they have in Singapore, where the students from these top institutes (who have enjoyed subsidized education) must compulsarily stay back in India for a certain number of years preferrably in their subject field. In USSR the top students were forced to serve as teaching faculty, researchers and it worked wonders.

Which IIT did you graduate from?

When we graduated, this was the dilemma we faced. Many of us did want to stay and contribute to the country, but when we looked around us we found that everything was dominated by government bureaucrats. Why should a B-Tech with superior intellect spend his life taking orders from some bureaucrat? The opportunities for engineers were not good, and only about 10% of our class went into engineering jobs, and they were not the top 10%.

I graduated from IIT Delhi.

 

[Napa]

I was fine that a lot of Chinese universities are rated highly because sure China must be doing something right with all the scientists they are producing however the fact that something like Hongkong Polytechnic institute or something like that is ranked above the IIT’s and IIM’s makes me question the Chinese bias in these rankings.

While the Chinese univs are ahead in research, the IITs and the IIMs are considerably ahead in having their graduates succeed in global corporations. There is a long list of Indian grads in C-suites of the largest multinationals.