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Top 10 most powerful countries in the world 2025: India misses the list, standing at 12th position

Out of interest where does Pakistan actually rank on this list?

I've not been able to find the full one.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Out of interest where does Pakistan actually rank on this list?

I've not been able to find the full one.
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I have seen a few of these kind of lists. Pakistan is generally placed from 7sh to 20 on such rankings.

It’s completely subjective to rank 20/30/40/50 countries like that. Someone’s gonna ask where’s Thailand, Argentina, Taiwan etc on these lists.

I would segregate like this

* Omega Power - None atm. Probably Mahabharat in 200 years if Pakistan rejoins.
1. Superpowers - Global leaders (US, China, Russia, Bharat, EU)
2. Major powers - Not superpowers but important and impactful nations
3. Regional powers - Not major global powers but important regional players
4. Declining / Emerging powers - Nations with huge upside and downside potential in the above 3 groups


In the above, I would say Pakistan is a regional power with an upside potential to become a major power in 20-25 years if the economy grows substantially
 
anikrc1 said:
The main reason for that is the structure of Indian Institutes, The top Universities in USA or UK offers everything science, tech humanities,law, research output and jobs. The top Indian Institutes on the other hand are subject focused. IITs focus mainly on tech and somewhat science. They also are more research oriented than jobs. IISC and TIFR on the other hand are complete research foucused. ISI tries to balance the two, but offer very few courses. Their humanities departments are also weak. The total output is already top 100 level. As I have mentioned before, in Nature's research ranking 5 Indian cities are in top 200, with Kolkata, Bangalore and Mumbai in top 100. But they are divided into different schools.
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I hope in the future top Pakistani talent can access IITs. It may be a pipe dream but it would help a lot
 

Rajdeep said:
Bcoz that is not the title of the Indian express source posted in OP. It has been added deliberately that India didn't make the list. So what? Pakistan, Bangladesh, Australia etc etc also didnt make the list. However since specifically India didnt make the top 10 cut was added in the title, I think its only fair to add which position they stand. Anyway I am not too fussed with it as pretty used to the bias nature of some posters here.
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fair point

but Pakistan Bangladesh and Australia never ever boasted about being powerful, superpower or ever talked about taking over the world
 
Bhaijaan said:
We will sort out things with Pakistan in like 30-40 years, eventually they will merge back with the motherland.

Bangladesh, don’t care. Send all the illegals back. Build a steel wall at the border. They will ask to be reintegrated but we don’t like them like we do the Pakistanis who are our lost brothers and sisters and will always live in our hearts until we are reunited.

We are good.
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This is why you are my favourite poster from India, always ready to proclaim publicly what your compatriots secretly hope but are too shy to insecure to voice it. :salute
 
I think the list’s reasoning of assessing power is flawed. Financial might trumps all other factors by a big margin. Military power means very little when countries can spend when needed. Look at the Ukraine situation, Russia has a large army, yet they are being impeded by weapons that Germany are providing in anti tank weapons. Wars these days are usually fought through things such as economic tariffs anyway. Even political influence and global partnerships are overrated and most influence is centered around the biggest economic powers. USA and China are ones. And maybe EU to a lesser extent (though this is often tied to US). Nearly every country in the world has to pretty much choose between aligning with USA or China now. Even this Ukraine war, if china told russia to stop the war, it likely would have been stopped.

Also surprised Uk is mentioned for technology. It’s a sector which I feel UK is weak at. USA, China, Germany, South Korea, Japan. France is probably a bit ahead too now. There might even be other countries. UK is strong in financial services.

Probably a boring way to do it, but I think just a list of the biggest economies is the more accurate way to assess power. So yeah India makes the list comfortably.

The only outlier which I think has more power than represented by the size of their economy is Saudi Arabia. This is due to its influence over energy resources and its large foreign investment in other countries. I don’t know where it places but for example Italy comes around 10th in biggest economies, yet I would reckon Saudi Arabia holds more influence and power than Italy despise a lower gdp.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Wrong.
Pakistan were the greatest nation in the world when they were part of and were known as Bharat :heart:


1947 split was a crime.
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Pakistan never should have split from India in an ideal world. They are stronger together and living in a country where many religions live side by side builds religious tolerance and reduces religious extremism. Even though there are issues the Indian Muslims are testament to that. I think Pakistan’s development and even India’s development to some extent has been impeded through religion. Even when you look at most countries, they usually benefit from large trade with their closest country, for Pakistan and India to be on so bad terms it hurts both economically (though sadly Pakistan more). It’s not a coincidence that the biggest economies are ones that promote room for religious freedom and don’t have religion as a strong influence on their economy/political endeavours.

Religion isn’t a bad thing but it’s on an individual level. Fighting amongst religions is due to people wrongly caring about what other people believe in. And what others believe in really shouldn’t be anyone’s business but their own. No one should be engaging in wars and violence due to religious views.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
This is why you are my favourite poster from India, always ready to proclaim publicly what your compatriots secretly hope but are too shy to insecure to voice it. :salute
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Thanks brother.
I have got great respect for you too of course.

Imagine, one day your great grand children and mine will both belong to one nation once again just like our ancestors.
 
ads101 said:
Pakistan never should have split from India in an ideal world. They are stronger together and living in a country where many religions live side by side builds religious tolerance and reduces religious extremism. Even though there are issues the Indian Muslims are testament to that. I think Pakistan’s development and even India’s development to some extent has been impeded through religion. Even when you look at most countries, they usually benefit from large trade with their closest country, for Pakistan and India to be on so bad terms it hurts both economically (though sadly Pakistan more). It’s not a coincidence that the biggest economies are ones that promote room for religious freedom and don’t have religion as a strong influence on their economy/political endeavours.

Religion isn’t a bad thing but it’s on an individual level. Fighting amongst religions is due to people wrongly caring about what other people believe in. And what others believe in really shouldn’t be anyone’s business but their own. No one should be engaging in wars and violence due to religious views.
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Amen to that brother.

I acknowledge there are deeper wounds of heart on both sides and a reunification will require an extraordinary revolution from both sides. I always say that 30-40 years is a lot for us mortals but it’s nothing for great nations. Generations from now this is obviously a possibility and very likely. Who knows how the world looks like 200-300 or he’ll 500 years from now. Everything is possible and the future generations need not be burdened with all this hate bro. Let there be love, common sense, big heartedness.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Amen to that brother.

I acknowledge there are deeper wounds of heart on both sides and a reunification will require an extraordinary revolution from both sides. I always say that 30-40 years is a lot for us mortals but it’s nothing for great nations. Generations from now this is obviously a possibility and very likely. Who knows how the world looks like 200-300 or he’ll 500 years from now. Everything is possible and the future generations need not be burdened with all this hate bro. Let there be love, common sense, big heartedness.
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I don’t see reunification in 30-40 years as it’s very rare that countries go back together once split. It’s also another problem given both Bangladesh and Pakistan, if they were to reunify would Bangladesh go back too. I think the split between Bangladesh and Pakistan was inevitable given the separation in distance between both east Pakistan and west Pakistan at the time. Which ironically was a far more understandable reason for separation than religion.

Also India are progressing far quicker economically than Pakistan. If we were to reunify, the potential downside for India would be higher as Pakistan would be a poorer country. And decades from now this gap is likely to get larger.

I think reunification would be cool to see, and it would show a great message to the world that people shouldn’t fight over religion. But hundreds of years from now, the world can change and it could be a possibility then.

What I would settle for now, is amicable relations with a strong trading partnership between the two countries. That could even be achieved in 30-40 years if both countries do the best to try to amend ties. Like how France, Germany and UK all get on with each other and trade with each other despite being enemies for hundreds of years in the past. Even when I talk to people in the UK (where I have lived all my life), they think it’s ridiculous that countries like India and Pakistan fight and have tensions like they used to have with France and Germany hundreds of years ago. Nowadays tensions between France and Germany with the UK is all but just a funny joke about football. I hope at some point Pakistan and India will share that sort of relationship with each other.
 
ads101 said:
I don’t see reunification in 30-40 years as it’s very rare that countries go back together once split. It’s also another problem given both Bangladesh and Pakistan, if they were to reunify would Bangladesh go back too. I think the split between Bangladesh and Pakistan was inevitable given the separation in distance between both east Pakistan and west Pakistan at the time. Which ironically was a far more understandable reason for separation than religion.

Also India are progressing far quicker economically than Pakistan. If we were to reunify, the potential downside for India would be higher as Pakistan would be a poorer country. And decades from now this gap is likely to get larger.

I think reunification would be cool to see, and it would show a great message to the world that people shouldn’t fight over religion. But hundreds of years from now, the world can change and it could be a possibility then.

What I would settle for now, is amicable relations with a strong trading partnership between the two countries. That could even be achieved in 30-40 years if both countries do the best to try to amend ties. Like how France, Germany and UK all get on with each other and trade with each other despite being enemies for hundreds of years in the past. Even when I talk to people in the UK (where I have lived all my life), they think it’s ridiculous that countries like India and Pakistan fight and have tensions like they used to have with France and Germany hundreds of years ago. Nowadays tensions between France and Germany with the UK is all but just a funny joke about football. I hope at some point Pakistan and India will share that sort of relationship with each other.
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It is obviously going to be a step by step process and reunification would come at a very later stage as the many hurdles have been successfully crossed by both nations.

60-70 years is the most ambitious guess. Practically speaking it might take 150-200 years but it will happen obviously.
 
ads101 said:
Pakistan never should have split from India in an ideal world. They are stronger together and living in a country where many religions live side by side builds religious tolerance and reduces religious extremism. Even though there are issues the Indian Muslims are testament to that. I think Pakistan’s development and even India’s development to some extent has been impeded through religion. Even when you look at most countries, they usually benefit from large trade with their closest country, for Pakistan and India to be on so bad terms it hurts both economically (though sadly Pakistan more). It’s not a coincidence that the biggest economies are ones that promote room for religious freedom and don’t have religion as a strong influence on their economy/political endeavours.

Religion isn’t a bad thing but it’s on an individual level. Fighting amongst religions is due to people wrongly caring about what other people believe in. And what others believe in really shouldn’t be anyone’s business but their own. No one should be engaging in wars and violence due to religious views.
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If partition didn't happen, there could've been many civil wars.

Subcontinent cannot be compared to Europe. It is a different region with different challenges.
 
sweep_shot said:
If partition didn't happen, there could've been many civil wars.

Subcontinent cannot be compared to Europe. It is a different region with different challenges.
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Perhaps it had to happen as things were so bad. It’s still sad a country had to divide due to religion, it’s not right. I’m not sure it’s a subcontinent thing, given that Sri Lanka live in harmony with all religions, even having them represented in their own flag. And in theory a country can exist with multiple religions whether it’s in subcontinent or not.

Same thing with Palestine and Israel. Muslims and Jews given their separate countries, and it’s got even worse.

Sometimes I think the best thing is for countries to just get over living with other religions rather than dividing. When you separate much easier to regard that religion/people as an enemy. Maybe short term pain for long term peace. But then again plenty of Muslims stayed behind in India and have done well.

We’ll never know which was the correct decision. Still doesn’t change in my opinion in an ideal world, religion isn’t a good reason to separate countries. Shouldn’t be a factor. Even though in reality religion might force a separation.
 
LOL.

India doesn't have the power to convince it's own to stay in India and India thinks it can convince the world of anything.

Get real.
 
With Trump extending his full support and commitment to invest in the trade corridor between Bharat, UAE, Saudi, Jordan, Israel, Italy, US you can expect major economic activity in these countries in the coming decades. US has pledged to take bilateral trade with Bharat to 500 billion USD by 2030z

https://twitter.com/x/status/1890221005223915662

https://twitter.com/x/status/1890406004291989833

https://twitter.com/x/status/1890544232194003148

https://twitter.com/x/status/1890380958446035401

This also explains the deepening ties between Gulf nations and Bharat which would grow further with this corridor becoming a reality.

It’s a win-win for all in the IMEC group and strengthens Israel’s status even further in the region.

This has direct implications on Turkiye, China, Pakistan who are invested in China’s Belt & Road Initiative.
 
gani999 said:
That list is useless. How can't Pakistan be on such a list?
A list of the world's most powerful countries without the Qila-e-Islam, Riyasat-e-Madinah, Nuclear Armed Republic of Pakistan in the top 5 is not worth the paper it is printed on.

Saudi? Israel? UK? What nonsense!
Pakistan is the real deal!
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I dont agree either. If Pak and Ban are not in the top 10 list - it's pretty useless. Uae and saudi?? C'mon. Pak has the nuclear bomb - they dont. And Israel?? Pak will crush them if given a chance. Useless list...
 
Why does it matter whether India is Top 10 or not? I’m sure this Top 10 list will suddenly become irrelevant and not important once India makes it to Top 10.
I think process to become better should continue, lists don’t matter. For some it’s a matter of pride, for some it’s business as usual.
 
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