ODIs should be changed from 50 overs and two innings to 20 overs and 4 innings!

[Captain caveman]

Odi's were first played in the early 70's with 60 overs made up of 8 deliveries.
In white test kits and a red ball.
We have come along way from those early days, 50 overs of 6 deliveries, white ball, coloured clothes etc.
But i think odi's need to be revamped completely, due to flat pitches and the team who wins the toss, having a huge advantage and more often than not wins the game!

My suggestion is four 20 over innings with the team who bats first , then bats in the final fourth innings! The scores and wickets are carried through to the next innings, so if you are out in one innings, then you can't bat in the next innings!
Any thoughts, l know most people will ridicule this idea, but i am fed up of watching the team who wins the toss, going on to win the match!
A fairer system has to be produced or simply declare the winner of the coin toss the winner of the match!
Discuss.

 

[Stark]

Nope.

Toss has a definite impact and steps should be taken to remove the discrepancy, but two inns won't work with momentum and stuff like conditions.

 

[Mehndi155]

Nop not gonna work odis are perfect as they are

 

[Itachi]

You are having a much deeper frustration over paks exit.

Its a game at the end of the day. No need to lose sleep over it.

 

[Captain caveman]

You are having a much deeper frustration over paks exit.

Its a game at the end of the day. No need to lose sleep over it.

The idea was originally from your hero -
SACHIN TENDULKAR!

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

This is an excellent idea. I agree with you, I am quite bored of sitting in front of TV for 8 hours, within 4 hours we can actually watch both teams bat first and they will have the opportunity to bat all over again. There’s more twist, smart innovative thinking brother. We seriously have a lot of patience by watching a sport like cricket. We need to be innovative and this is a start.

 

[Captain caveman]

This is an excellent idea. I agree with you, I am quite bored of sitting in front of TV for 8 hours, within 4 hours we can actually watch both teams bat first and they will have the opportunity to bat all over again. There’s more twist, smart innovative thinking brother. We seriously have a lot of patience by watching a sport like cricket. We need to be innovative and this is a start.

Brother like i have said many times, we are on the same wavelength!
If we ran cricket, we would take it to the next level!

 

[Itachi]

The idea was originally from your hero -
SACHIN TENDULKAR!

.... And it was rejected by ICC which you should know atleast.

 

[Captain caveman]

.... And it was rejected by ICC which you should know atleast.

Yes i do but i think icc should revisit the idea! With no more champions throphy, they can implement this as a new tournament and if it is liked by the fans, then they can phase out 50 over odis.
Sachin is a cricketing genius, he wouldn't come out with rubbish, i too initially rejected his idea, but with all these one sided matches were you win the coin toss, you win the match, i think it could be the future!

 

[hur rizvi]

No 20 over format already exists

 

[Itachi]

Yes i do but i think icc should revisit the idea! With no more champions throphy, they can implement this as a new tournament and if it is liked by the fans, then they can phase out 50 over odis.
Sachin is a cricketing genius, he wouldn't come out with rubbish, i too initially rejected his idea, but with all these one sided matches were you win the coin toss, you win the match, i think it could be the future!

So in order to save 50 over odi cricket, we need to phase out 50 over odi cricket?

 

[ak619]

Whatever happens, one team will have to bat last on that pitch. So toss will still play a big factor.

It doesn't solve the issue you are trying to address.

 

[Captain caveman]

Your idea may be a bit too drastic for now but if the 4 ×20 is ever tried, then maybe in the future, your idea could be tried.

 

[geraltofrivia]

Even then Pakistan wouldn’t have qualified

 

[Captain caveman]

No 20 over format already exists

This is a 40 over format split into 2, not a 20 over format

 

[Captain caveman]

Even then Pakistan wouldn’t have qualified

New competition, who knows who would qualify!

 

[shahid10]

It's good people in icc don't think like you,ODIs are good as it's no need to tinker on the best format

 

[Captain caveman]

Whatever happens, one team will have to bat last on that pitch. So toss will still play a big factor.

It doesn't solve the issue you are trying to address.

Someone will always have to bat last!
And yes it does address the issue because you will have to choose between batting first and last or batting 2n!d and 3rd! Meaning the huge advantage of batting 1st is reduced!

 

[Captain caveman]

It's good people in icc don't think like you,ODIs are good as it's no need to tinker on the best format

The format is stale and dying, apart from the world cup, no one is bothered about odis!

 

[Titan24]

Even then Pakistan wouldn’t have qualified

Congrats on winning the WC in advance.

 

[Captain caveman]

So in order to save 50 over odi cricket, we need to phase out 50 over odi cricket?

Its a revamp of odis. Any revamp involves phasing out the old system and eventually replacing it with the new system.

 

[ak619]

i have always been a supporter of this idea. Earlier I thought splitting into 2 would be better , but it would be even better if 50 overs are split into 20,20,10 0vers each. I mean the team winning toss & batting
should play 20 overs, then the 2nd team 40 , then the first team next 30 & then the 2nd team last 10 .
This will take the score board pressure off to the maximum extend .This 'win toss, bat first win match formula' is virtually killing the game. When India won the toss against PAK , i self told... yes.... now win is certain. Again when ENG won toss yesterday I self told....yaaa now Pakistan is out 100%..
*** is this? Sports or some entity for countries to satisfy their self pride???Absolute nonsense.

I don't think so.

1. Pak vs WI game - chasing team won
2. NZ vs SL - chasing team won
3. BD vs SA - chasing team won
4. AFG vs NZ - chasing team won
5. WI vs ENG - chasing team won
6. SA vs AFG - chasing team won
7. WI vs BD - chasing team won
8. SA vs NZ - chasing team won
9. PAK vs NZ - chasing team won
10. SA vs SL - chasing team won
11. PAK vs - chasing team won

Sure it's not 50:50 but there are still many matches where scores are being chased down. If you don't believe me ask

Jokes apart, even historically chasing has always been the more challenging task in cricket.
It's not like it's changed dramatically now.

 

[Itachi]

The format is stale and dying, apart from the world cup, no one is bothered about odis!

That is your opinion that 50 day odi cricket is dying and you have every right to state.

But that doesnt mean that you are RIGHT!

 

[DeadlyYorker]

Odi's were first played in the early 70's with 60 overs made up of 8 deliveries.
In white test kits and a red ball.
We have come along way from those early days, 50 overs of 6 deliveries, white ball, coloured clothes etc.
But i think odi's need to be revamped completely, due to flat pitches and the team who wins the toss, having a huge advantage and more often than not wins the game!

My suggestion is four 20 over innings with the team who bats first , then bats in the final fourth innings! The scores and wickets are carried through to the next innings, so if you are out in one innings, then you can't bat in the next innings!
Any thoughts, l know most people will ridicule this idea, but i am fed up of watching the team who wins the toss, going on to win the match!
A fairer system has to be produced or simply declare the winner of the coin toss the winner of the match!
Discuss.

Yes yes and pigs should fly and earth should shrink to size of orange

 

[Captain caveman]

I don't think so.

1. Pak vs WI game - chasing team won
2. NZ vs SL - chasing team won
3. BD vs SA - chasing team won
4. AFG vs NZ - chasing team won
5. WI vs ENG - chasing team won
6. SA vs AFG - chasing team won
7. WI vs BD - chasing team won
8. SA vs NZ - chasing team won
9. PAK vs NZ - chasing team won
10. SA vs SL - chasing team won
11. PAK vs - chasing team won

Sure it's not 50:50 but there are still many matches where scores are being chased down. If you don't believe me ask

Jokes apart, even historically chasing has always been the more challenging task in cricket.
It's not like it's changed dramatically now.

We are currently on match 42 in this world cup and you have listed only 11 matches won by the team batting second! I know theres been a few wash outs, but you are proving my point, win the toss, bat first and you will win majority of the time!

 

[Captain caveman]

Yes yes and pigs should fly and earth should shrink to size of orange

I'll take it you like mine and my best pal sachin's idea!!

 

[Captain caveman]

That is your opinion that 50 day odi cricket is dying and you have every right to state.

But that doesnt mean that you are RIGHT!

I haven't the time to be bothered to look up the data for you, but its out there if you look for it!
No its not my opinion, its been stated several times by cricketing commentators and jornalists!

 

[hur rizvi]

This is a 40 over format split into 2, not a 20 over format

Nope just another tamasha format

 

[Itachi]

I haven't the time to be bothered to look up the data for you, but its out there if you look for it!
No its not my opinion, its been stated several times by cricketing commentators and jornalists!

Kindly post one (ofcourse excluding the rediculous suggestion of tendu)

 

[AAli98]

Cricket is in its last legs theres a reason why only 7/8 country's play it.

Viewing figures in uk for:

Eng v ind 1.7 million
England womans semi 11.9 million

With eng going crying to icc for flat pitches & teams only playing to protect there rr figures will only go down!

 

[Captain caveman]

Kindly post one (ofcourse excluding the rediculous suggestion of tendu)

Brother look it up, its been said by many commentators, when refering to t20,, commentators have said that everyone thought tests would be danger from t20s, but its actually odis which have become in danger from t20s!
Maybe its different in india, with the huge fanbase, but around the rest of the world odis have become alot less popular since t20s came about.

 

[Captain caveman]

Nope just another tamasha format

Test lovers say the same about odis!

 

[ak619]

We are currently on match 42 in this world cup and you have listed only 11 matches won by the team batting second! I know theres been a few wash outs, but you are proving my point, win the toss, bat first and you will win majority of the time!

That is nothing but World Cup pressure. Every past and present cricketer acknowledges that the pressure of chasing is greater in World Cups.

Don't worry. ODI cricket is safe. Just look at the stats below that show how many times teams that bat first win and lose matches. The W/L ratio is 1:1

 

[Captain caveman]

I would be interested to see the stats for the last 2 years!
But of course wc pressure will be great, means for a boring competition!

 

[hur rizvi]

Test lovers say the same about odis!

Test is the best format and bench mark for greatness

Odis are fine as it is, yes bilaterals are meaningless but odi World Cup is still the biggest landmark in cricket

T20s even World Cup doesn’t really matter much

 

[ak619]

I would be interested to see the stats for the last 2 years!
But of course wc pressure will be great, means for a boring competition!

Last 2 Years:

Matches: 284
Won batting first: 132
Won batting second: 141

W/L ratio: 0.936

Which means that teams batting second have won more matches than teams batting first.

 

[Hasan123]

50 over format is fine. Just need to increase boundary sizes, get rid of 2 new balls. I'm sure ODI cricket will be fine.

 

[Captain caveman]

Last 2 Years:

Matches: 284
Won batting first: 132
Won batting second: 141

W/L ratio: 0.936

Which means that teams batting second have won more matches than teams batting first.

Interesting!
So it looks as if lts only in the wc, that batting second has been a disadvantage, probably due to scoreboard pressure!
Still makes for a boring world cup when more than twice as many wins come from batting first!
Thanks for that bro!

 

[kingusama92]

Nothing wrong with the format.

It's the rules that need changing. It's far too batsman-centric as of right now.

 

[shahid10]

That just seem to be your assumption than being a fact, Neither it's stale nor it's dying only thing that's dying is test and rightly so

 

[Captain caveman]

Test is the best format and bench mark for greatness

Odis are fine as it is, yes bilaterals are meaningless but odi World Cup is still the biggest landmark in cricket

T20s even World Cup doesn’t really matter much

Tests are the pinnacle of cricket, but not that popular outside big 3
Odis are now declining in popularity, except for the wc.
T20s are the most popular format!
Thats why a 4 × 20 odi format, i think would be a hit and breathe life into boring jamodis!

 

[nextover666666]

Even then Pakistan wouldn’t have qualified

Don't worry your India won't win the World Cup it's going to the nation you guys love and adore and wanna be like.....England

 

[Tapeballcricket]

Whatever happens, one team will have to bat last on that pitch. So toss will still play a big factor.

It doesn't solve the issue you are trying to address.

Actually no as there will be follow on like tests

 

[satheesh]

We are currently on match 42 in this world cup and you have listed only 11 matches won by the team batting second! I know theres been a few wash outs, but you are proving my point, win the toss, bat first and you will win majority of the time!

not only that , in the list only 9 are correct, BAN vs SAF was won by BAN batting first.Out of this 9, only one was a 300+ score, all others were <250 targets.

 

[ak619]

not only that , in the list only 9 are correct, BAN vs SAF was won by BAN batting first.Out of this 9, only one was a 300+ score, all others were <250 targets.

You're right. I got BD vs SA wrong. Which is the other one?



But how much runs were scored is irrelevant. IND vs SA, South Africa won the toss and chose to bat first. It is to India's credit that they bowled SA out for under 230. If some other day, some other team was the toss and chooses to bat and scores 330+ like England did against India, then it is to England's credit that they did so.

How much runs are scored in the first innings is dependent on how well you bowl to the opposition. Can't use that as an excuse.

 

[ak619]

You're right. I got BD vs SA wrong. Which is the other one?



But how much runs were scored is irrelevant. IND vs SA, South Africa won the toss and chose to bat first. It is to India's credit that they bowled SA out for under 230. If some other day, some other team wins the toss and chooses to bat and scores 330+ like England did against India, then it is to England's credit that they did so.

How much runs are scored in the first innings is dependent on how well you bowl to the opposition. Can't use that as an excuse.

fixed

 

[Ab Fan]

It's good idea in the sense that if you are opting to bat first, you will have to bat last. This looks good as it will make sure team batting first doesn't have a major advantage.

Toss will be there, no doubt but the idea is that toss alone doesn't give any team too much advantage.

So, 1-4 & 2-3 looks a good idea and also that no one will be allowed to bat more than once. So, that means team will have to save wickets.

What is very interesting in this format or this proposal is that we can save batters who are good chasers or good finishers for the next half and they can do the needful for the time being. It will bring lot of entertainment to fans and audience but not sure how much of an impact will this be to their skill-sets and their execution in tests.

 

[shazia9000]

the worst format is test cricket by far, this format had given cricket the boring tag and never attracts newcomes to the sport. Test cricket should be banned apart from eng vs australia for these two nations sake. Odi cricket should be 40 overs each

 

[sweep_shot]

Keep ODI as it is. No need to change anything.

If ODI changes, I may stop watching cricket.

 

[DeadlyYorker]

I'll take it you like mine and my best pal sachin's idea!!

Having ideas is okay,and one is free to suggest it to other but doesnt mean he wont be criticised,sachin was criticised back then and you will be now

 

[emranabbas]

Just scrap the 2 ball rule

Make the boundaries bigger and the bats smaller

Game is competitive again

 

[satheesh]

You're right. I got BD vs SA wrong. Which is the other one?



But how much runs were scored is irrelevant. IND vs SA, South Africa won the toss and chose to bat first. It is to India's credit that they bowled SA out for under 230. If some other day, some other team was the toss and chooses to bat and scores 330+ like England did against India, then it is to England's credit that they did so.

How much runs are scored in the first innings is dependent on how well you bowl to the opposition. Can't use that as an excuse.

teams won the toss, batted second & won:10 times- of which 6 pucca bowling conditions & chased only a low target. 3 was against minnow Afghan.Only 1(BAN vs WI ) was exception.
team lost toss batted second & won: 3 times of which 1 was against Afghan.

13 out of 42 , of which only 3 (BAN vs WI high score chased,IND vs SAF ,PAK vs NZL ) were in 'either pucca batting friendly conditions or uncertainity or brilliant bowling effort' can never be said as an indication of 'results not getting hugely influenced by luck(toss).

 

[satheesh]

the worst format is test cricket by far, this format had given cricket the boring tag and never attracts newcomes to the sport. Test cricket should be banned apart from eng vs australia for these two nations sake. Odi cricket should be 40 overs each

if you don't like it , don't watch. It is the format where a player's skills are tested to the fullest.Some people are complaining as if there whole time will be wasted if test cricket is watched which is far from truth

 

[aukhan]

No need to change it.

 

[satheesh]

It's good idea in the sense that if you are opting to bat first, you will have to bat last. This looks good as it will make sure team batting first doesn't have a major advantage.

Toss will be there, no doubt but the idea is that toss alone doesn't give any team too much advantage.

So, 1-4 & 2-3 looks a good idea and also that no one will be allowed to bat more than once. So, that means team will have to save wickets.

What is very interesting in this format or this proposal is that we can save batters who are good chasers or good finishers for the next half and they can do the needful for the time being. It will bring lot of entertainment to fans and audience but not sure how much of an impact will this be to their skill-sets and their execution in tests.

20 overs first team-20 overs second team-20 overs second team-20 overs first team-10 overs first team-10 overs 2nd team in this sequence.
I think this can take off the 'score board pressure advantage' to the maximum extend

 

[big_gamer007]

ODI are good as it is just bring back reverse swing and ODI will be great again.