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NEW DELHI: After having hosted Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu, PM Modi will land in Ramallah on February 10 for what will be the first-ever visit by an Indian prime minister to Palestine.

Modi's visit to Israel last year+ was also the first by an Indian PM and the one to Palestine follows the government's decision to "de-hypenate" relations with the two entities+ as a departure from past practice of seeing visits to the region as balancing acts. While India and Palestine have been discussing the proposed visit for a while, this is the first confirmation of its date and it comes in the middle of Netanyahu's visit to India.

The visit will be significant for India as the government believes it will help dispel the notion that there has been any change in its Palestine policy since Modi assumed office in 2014. India's recent vote against the US recognition of Jerusalem+ as Israel's capital in the UN was intended to iterate its longstanding diplomatic position.

While the modalities for the visit are still being worked out, government sources here said Modi was likely to travel to Ramallah in a chopper from Amman in Jordan. The West Bank city of Ramallah is the de facto administrative capital of Palestine. The route which Modi will take to Ramallah, which is located only 8km from Jerusalem, is important in the context of the government's policy of de-hyphenating its relations with Israel and Palestine. It will help Modi skip Israel, the way he skipped Palestine last year during his visit to Israel.

There was tremendous disappointment in Palestine last year when Modi visited Israel but chose not to travel to Ramallah. As Khalil Shikaki, the director of Palestinian Centre for Policy and Survey Research in Ramallah, had told a visiting group of Indian journalists and politicians last year, there were significant concerns in Palestine that India was moving away from the policies it had followed since 1947. "The current PM (Modi) seems more interested in security and in relations with the West. Palestinians seem to believe that they can no longer count on India's support," Shikaki had said.

With its vote recently in favour of a UN resolution denouncing the US decision to recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital, and now with Modi's visit to Ramallah, the government seems to be suggesting that its ties with Israel will not come at the expense of its relationship with Palestine. The Modi government remains conscious of India's position over the years that its support to the Palestinian cause is an indispensable part of its foreign policy.

The Modi government remains conscious of India's position over the years that its support to the Palestinian cause is an indispensable part of its foreign policy. India was the first non-Arab State to recognize Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) as the "sole and legitimate representative of the Palestinian people'' in 1974. India was also one of the first countries to recognise the State of Palestine in 1988.

While there has been no mention of India's traditional support for a 2-state solution in Modi's 2 joint statements with Netanyahu, the government has on other occasions made it clear that it still maintains that position. In an interview to an Israeli newspaper last year, Modi had said that India believed in a 2-state solution in which both Israel and a future Palestinian state coexist peacefully. He had said the same during Palestine President Mahmoud Abbas visit to India in May in 2017.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...dian-pm-in-palestine/articleshow/62547007.cms

I guess it's time to show that we care about them too, even if it's for appearances sake. :batman:
 
Bro say whatever you want about indian netas and their gwaarpan and all....but indian diplomacy is one of the best in the world if not the best.....long hail chankya niti loll.....
 
But why do india care about palestine so much. I agree india as a great nation has always been on the morally good side. But what the hell palestine can give us in return? I hope modi is not visiting palestine to keep second largest muslim population in the world,indian muslims happy for vote politics..... he should only do what is good for the country...palestine or mynamar is not our concern.....
 
Bro say whatever you want about indian netas and their gwaarpan and all....but indian diplomacy is one of the best in the world if not the best.....long hail chankya niti loll.....

lol indian diplomacy overt the year has been anything but the 'best'

despite being pit against Pakistan, a country almost one-fifth its size and one that is generally distrusted and disliked by global powers, it has failed to make significant progress in outstanding issues such as Kashmir. And in 1970 despite the leverage of over 90,000 Pakistan POWs it ended up with negotiating a deal Pak were more than happy with. Similarly post-Mumbai 2008, it has failed to isolate Pakistan and declare it a terrorist state despite publicly expressing these wishes.

This is just Pakistan. Its diplomatic record against China, which should be more of a comparable entity is atrocouis.
 
Bro say whatever you want about indian netas and their gwaarpan and all....but indian diplomacy is one of the best in the world if not the best.....long hail chankya niti loll.....

Couldn't get any support from any Major Power against Pakistan or able to sideline it. India is nothing but a third World insignificant Nation,

You should he ashamed of wasting so much resources of your Nation to safeguard it against a small country like Pakistan. A Country of 1.3 Billion bullied by a Country of less than 200 Million. Lol.
 
lol indian diplomacy overt the year has been anything but the 'best'

despite being pit against Pakistan, a country almost one-fifth its size and one that is generally distrusted and disliked by global powers, it has failed to make significant progress in outstanding issues such as Kashmir. And in 1970 despite the leverage of over 90,000 Pakistan POWs it ended up with negotiating a deal Pak were more than happy with. Similarly post-Mumbai 2008, it has failed to isolate Pakistan and declare it a terrorist state despite publicly expressing these wishes.

This is just Pakistan. Its diplomatic record against China, which should be more of a comparable entity is atrocouis.
Yeah and you can add this too that despite such a small country pakistan always had the guts to start war against india..
.On this thing i agree with you . India always whenever had the chance to demolish or take advantage , lost it by not having gutts enough or showing mercy or as a good will may be...dnnow,since the time of gajnavi ,prithvi raj chauhan to 1971 bangladesh or many more examples. That's what bjp also accuse congress of and hopefully it wont happen again if anycase we get in to similar situation....
But regarding terrorist state ...... usa , bangladesh , afghanistan ,india and many more etc and plus recently china also said that we wont be able to support you for long time against these banned terrorist organizations in the world operating with in pakistan.
I agree with you that india could have done more.but saying that we are not are not able to isolate pakistan completly wud be bit unfair...
 
But why do india care about palestine so much. I agree india as a great nation has always been on the morally good side. But what the hell palestine can give us in return? I hope modi is not visiting palestine to keep second largest muslim population in the world,indian muslims happy for vote politics..... he should only do what is good for the country...palestine or mynamar is not our concern.....

So keeping the citizens who happen to be the second largest muslim population of the world happy is not good for the country? Or is India only for hindus and making hindus happy by joining hands with Israel who are known enemies of muslims?
 
Couldn't get any support from any Major Power against Pakistan or able to sideline it. India is nothing but a third World insignificant Nation,

You should he ashamed of wasting so much resources of your Nation to safeguard it against a small country like Pakistan. A Country of 1.3 Billion bullied by a Country of less than 200 Million. Lol.

Yea, that will be true about your country.
 
Couldn't get any support from any Major Power against Pakistan or able to sideline it. India is nothing but a third World insignificant Nation,

You should he ashamed of wasting so much resources of your Nation to safeguard it against a small country like Pakistan. A Country of 1.3 Billion bullied by a Country of less than 200 Million. Lol.

Yeah india is insignificent. We didnt allow other country drones killing our own people at our home..we never sold our country again and again . We are happy to be insignificent having world top 5 economies or top 5 powerful nations...Have achieved from reaching mars to moons or IT industry and many many more.
We know what we are. So thanks for your opinion which is not more than frustation
 
But why do india care about palestine so much. I agree india as a great nation has always been on the morally good side. But what the hell palestine can give us in return? I hope modi is not visiting palestine to keep second largest muslim population in the world,indian muslims happy for vote politics..... he should only do what is good for the country...palestine or mynamar is not our concern.....

Yes Kashmiris living under the Brutal oppression of Indian Forces can confirm that.
 
So keeping the citizens who happen to be the second largest muslim population of the world happy is not good for the country? Or is India only for hindus and making hindus happy by joining hands with Israel who are known enemies of muslims?

If 1 thing i want to end in india is that would be vote politics. No more pleasing of anyone please. Do what is good for country and its people. Not our concern what is happening in palestines or any other world ,unless indian citizens get suffered from that actions.
 
lol indian diplomacy overt the year has been anything but the 'best'

despite being pit against Pakistan, a country almost one-fifth its size and one that is generally distrusted and disliked by global powers, it has failed to make significant progress in outstanding issues such as Kashmir. And in 1970 despite the leverage of over 90,000 Pakistan POWs it ended up with negotiating a deal Pak were more than happy with. Similarly post-Mumbai 2008, it has failed to isolate Pakistan and declare it a terrorist state despite publicly expressing these wishes.

This is just Pakistan. Its diplomatic record against China, which should be more of a comparable entity is atrocouis.

India has been always happy with status quo on Kashmir. Is any country supporting Pakistan on Kashmir?Not even the muslim countries are supporting Pakistan. we can build chabahar in Iran and use it to trade with Aghanistan at the same time we can get Israel to supply us with its latest weapons and then our PM can visit Saudi and get the highest civilian award. Watch a few Pakistani programmes like Beylaag etc and you will hear the views on Indian diplomacy and its success from Pakistani experts.
 
i hope this doesnt descend into an ugly India v Pakistan.

my intention wasnt that and was merely an assessment of the success of indian foreign policy historically
 
So keeping the citizens who happen to be the second largest muslim population of the world happy is not good for the country? Or is India only for hindus and making hindus happy by joining hands with Israel who are known enemies of muslims?

Honest question - do Muslims in the sub-continent care about Palestine that much anymore? It seems that interest in the issue has dwindled since Saudi Arabia has started covertly flirting with Israel.

Sure, they're still accorded a higher importance than Chinese Muslims or African Muslims, but Israel doesn't seem to be the rallying cry it was some years ago.
 
If 1 thing i want to end in india is that would be vote politics. No more pleasing of anyone please. Do what is good for country and its people. Not our concern what is happening in palestines or any other world ,unless indian citizens get suffered from that actions.

No more pleasing of anyone or no more pleasing of muslims?
 
Honest question - do Muslims in the sub-continent care about Palestine that much anymore? It seems that interest in the issue has dwindled since Saudi Arabia has started covertly flirting with Israel.

Sure, they're still accorded a higher importance than Chinese Muslims or African Muslims, but Israel doesn't seem to be the rallying cry it was some years ago.

Yes they still care. Its a reality. More so because of the holy sites in Palestine.
 
Yes they still care. Its a reality. More so because of the holy sites in Palestine.

I'm not saying they don't. Refer to my post - "do Muslims in the sub-continent care about Palestine that much anymore?"

Ten or fifteen years ago, they would be out on the streets at the slightest whim holding up posters of Arafat. Today, everything seems completely diluted save for the times when Israel conducts a particularly heavy bombing run like in 2015.

The 'real' enemy these days seems to be Iran and its proxies.
 
How do you define good? Maybe somethings are more important for one community than it is for others.

The common good. If something is good for X community but isnt beneficial for the rest and may be harmful for the majority of the people then such an action should not be taken.
 
I'm not saying they don't. Refer to my post - "do Muslims in the sub-continent care about Palestine that much anymore?"

Ten or fifteen years ago, they would be out on the streets at the slightest whim holding up posters of Arafat. Today, everything seems completely diluted save for the times when Israel conducts a particularly heavy bombing run like in 2015.

The 'real' enemy these days seems to be Iran and its proxies.

When did Indian muslims come out on streets against Iran?

Truth is people are more involved in their own lives now with a little more development in the country. Hence the slam bang show off of emotions is rare now.
 
The common good. If something is good for X community but isnt beneficial for the rest and may be harmful for the majority of the people then such an action should not be taken.

Quite utilitarian in your approach you are. Not a trait leaders would like to show.

So cow slaughter ban should not have been implemented because it is in interests of one community but affects the livelihood of another?
 
When did Indian muslims come out on streets against Iran?

They don't. Either there is some time lag between the ongoing issue and it catching up with popular sentiment, or they don't care. But it is still relatively mutually exclusive to the Israel - Palestine issue.

Truth is people are more involved in their own lives now with a little more development in the country. Hence the slam bang show off of emotions is rare now.

And that's the way it should be. Sure - have an opinion on the world and current affairs, but enough wailing over that diamond shaped dot on the map please. It's only been going on for like 70 years and nothing has changed and it has nothing to do with us anyway. Say what you have to say and live with it.

In the Modi context, he has seemingly visited a country a week. No biggie that he's visited Israel and Palestine as well.
 
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So cow slaughter ban should not have been implemented because it is in interests of one community but affects the livelihood of another?


In this case the other community will claim erosion of the rights o its religion which is guaranteed under constitution. Secondly cow slaughtering alone isnt the only slaughtering meat business. There was a stat regarding what percentage of meat is actually cow meat and it wasnt a big share.

I have already said that i support a common civil code where no community gets any such leeways. But as long as any community gets special dispensation, others will demand the same.
 
They don't. Either there is some time lag between the ongoing issue and it catching up with popular sentiment, or they don't care. But it is still relatively mutually exclusive to the Israel - Palestine issue.
Indian muslims will never come out on streets against Iran. Its possible but improbable. Take my word for it.


And that's the way it should be. Sure - have an opinion on the world and current affairs, but enough wailing over that diamond shaped dot on the map please. It's only been going on for like 70 years and nothing has changed and it has nothing to do with us anyway. Say what you have to say and live with it.

I am afraid, i have to agree.
 
Indian muslims will never come out on streets against Iran. Its possible but improbable. Take my word for it.




I am afraid, i have to agree.

Indian Muslims will come out againist Iran or any country if that country hurts Indian interests.
 
I am afraid, i have to agree.

Fear not, here are additional points to support your stand:

* The Palestinians don't really care about you.
* The Arabs don't really care about you.
* The Arabs will be friends with you anyway even if you tilted toward Israel.
* You are missing out on trading with an advanced economy in Israel.
* Several Arab countries have seen the truth and have full diplomatic relations with Israel, including Turkey, Egypt and Jordan.
* You always run the danger of being branded a hypocrite since the silence is deafening when Muslims are ill-treated in China or Nigeria or Muslim countries themselves.
* For appearance sake, you can still throw a hissy fit over Palestine if you want.
 
In this case the other community will claim erosion of the rights o its religion which is guaranteed under constitution. Secondly cow slaughtering alone isnt the only slaughtering meat business. There was a stat regarding what percentage of meat is actually cow meat and it wasnt a big share.

Its a nice way to spin the facts. The fact is, and its a real obvious one, that both the communities will claim the erosion of their religious rights. Hindus will say slaughtering cows erodes their rights and muslims will say that banning cow slaughter prevents them from eating something which is halal as per their religion.

In India's case, the government went with what the religious majority wants hence it became utilitarian in its approach, a very very dangerous thing to do in a secular democracy. Look around at secular democracies around the globe, the countries from which India has borrowed parts of its constitution. You will not find such a thing there. Ofcourse India doesnt have to copy them but just pointing it out

I have already said that i support a common civil code where no community gets any such leeways. But as long as any community gets special dispensation, others will demand the same.

You are contradicting yourself. One one hand you are against special dispensations to any community but you are defending the fact that Hindus got special dispensation by banning of cow slaughter. What if muslims demand banning of pork or alcohol?
 
No more pleasing of anyone or no more pleasing of muslims?

No more pleasing of any damn community unless and only unless its affecting own citizens like indian people or indian immigrants to some extent.
Indian muslims should concentrate on their economic uplift and education. They are far behind other communities in this area. And there is not any shortage of resources or opportunities for muslims or any community. Our constitition and law gives equal opportunity to every one.
So should forget palestine lr any other damn place where they even never have been to and their is enough things to do itself in india and lot of samaj seva can be done here too to be in good books of allah or any god ....
 
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Fear not, here are additional points to support your stand:

* The Palestinians don't really care about you.
* The Arabs don't really care about you.
* The Arabs will be friends with you anyway even if you tilted toward Israel.
* You are missing out on trading with an advanced economy in Israel.
* Several Arab countries have seen the truth and have full diplomatic relations with Israel, including Turkey, Egypt and Jordan.
* You always run the danger of being branded a hypocrite since the silence is deafening when Muslims are ill-treated in China or Nigeria or Muslim countries themselves.
* For appearance sake, you can still throw a hissy fit over Palestine if you want.

I agree with all of it.

I said i was afraid because many people believe that muslim nations world over are one body. I want that to be true but i know its not.
 
No more pleasing of any damn community unless and only unless its affecting own citizens like indian people or indian immigrants to some extent.
Indian muslims should concentrate on their economic uplift and education. They are far behind other communities in this area. And there is not any short or resources or opportunities for muslims or any community. Our constitition and law gives equal opportunity to every one.
So should forget palestine lr any other damn place where they even never have been to and their is enough things to do itself in india and lot of samaj seva can be done here too to be in good books of allah or any god ....

I hope Indian government agrees with you.
 
So keeping the citizens who happen to be the second largest muslim population of the world happy is not good for the country? Or is India only for hindus and making hindus happy by joining hands with Israel who are known enemies of muslims?

That is why Partition 2.0 is necessary. Hindus foreign policy should not be held hostage by 15% of population who want india to side with Palestine. The premier of new muslim homeland in Kerala can visit Palestine while our Hindu leaders visit Israel. Happy ending for everyone.
 
But why do india care about palestine so much. I agree india as a great nation has always been on the morally good side. But what the hell palestine can give us in return? I hope modi is not visiting palestine to keep second largest muslim population in the world,indian muslims happy for vote politics..... he should only do what is good for the country...palestine or mynamar is not our concern.....

Interesting viewpoint. Can you tell me why you think India would be considered a great nation? It has never occurred to me before to describe it as such.
 
Interesting viewpoint. Can you tell me why you think India would be considered a great nation? It has never occurred to me before to describe it as such.

I think it's because,
India has conquered Moon and Mars,
Have a Strong IT Industry,
Economic Powerhouse,
Top Living Standard in the World,
Armed Forces that has no match anywhere else,
World Class Cities and infrastructure,
Global Center of Knowledge today,
IPL ,
Spelling Bee contest Winners,
Indians are the envy of the World that is amazed at their rapid transformation into a First World Country.
 
I think it's because,
India has conquered Moon and Mars,
Have a Strong IT Industry,
Economic Powerhouse,
Top Living Standard in the World,
Armed Forces that has no match anywhere else,
World Class Cities and infrastructure,
Global Center of Knowledge today,
IPL ,
Spelling Bee contest Winners,
Indians are the envy of the World that is amazed at their rapid transformation into a First World Country.

These are so called achievements for the trojan indians who have gone astray from their culture.

India is the mother of spirituality. Where Lord Ram and Lord Krishna taught dharma. Where Mahatma Buddha found Enlightenment. Where Mahatma Mahavir found Nirvana. And where Prophet Muhammad found cool breeze flowing from. And Guru Govind Ji performed supreme sacrifice.

Sadly the headless chickens have shunned spirituality and adopted secularism and the hindu-haters laugh at us.
 
Honest question - do Muslims in the sub-continent care about Palestine that much anymore? It seems that interest in the issue has dwindled since Saudi Arabia has started covertly flirting with Israel.

Sure, they're still accorded a higher importance than Chinese Muslims or African Muslims, but Israel doesn't seem to be the rallying cry it was some years ago.

What's wrong in supporting Palestine when we already have good relations with Israel? Palestineans need support for their existence. Do you think all those 128 countries voted in the UN supporting the Palestine are looking for any gain or appeasing their Muslim population?
 
What's wrong in supporting Palestine when we already have good relations with Israel? Palestineans need support for their existence. Do you think all those 128 countries voted in the UN supporting the Palestine are looking for any gain or appeasing their Muslim population?

Nothing wrong with it. Just querying whether you support it with as much fervour as 10-15 years ago.
 
I wonder if he'll discuss the uncontrolled supply of prescription pills that's hit the West Bank and Gaza from India in the last few years?
 
This is to be expected. Modi is a Snake Oil salesman. His trip to Palestine has 2 purposes.

1. To appease the Muslim vote in India.
2. Learn how to build walls which contain second class Muslim citizens.

It has already been established, both Nethanyahu and Modi are two peas in a pod.

The only open question remains is how the wall in India will be funded.
 
PR stunt. Modi has visited Israel first and then the Zionist leader went to India. Now Modi is trying to balance out his relationships with the Arabs who must be annoyed with him. Palestinians must be vary of what Modi says, he is no friend and will probably put froward suggestions agreed with his Zionist masters.
 
PR stunt. Modi has visited Israel first and then the Zionist leader went to India. Now Modi is trying to balance out his relationships with the Arabs who must be annoyed with him. Palestinians must be vary of what Modi says, he is no friend and will probably put froward suggestions agreed with his Zionist masters.

Palestinians know but what else do you expect from an arab politician and so called leaders. PLO even stopped funding Gaza’s electricity because it is controlled by Hamas, just shows how much PLO care about their fellow Palestinians. Arabs would be better off without these so called leaders. Modi is doing what Saudis and Iranians usually do. They give token statements, oh we are going to do this about Apartheid Israel, oh we will do that. It’s sad to see so many Pakistanis falling to the resistance camp and Saudi propoganda.
 
Palestinians know but what else do you expect from an arab politician and so called leaders. PLO even stopped funding Gaza’s electricity because it is controlled by Hamas, just shows how much PLO care about their fellow Palestinians. Arabs would be better off without these so called leaders. Modi is doing what Saudis and Iranians usually do. They give token statements, oh we are going to do this about Apartheid Israel, oh we will do that. It’s sad to see so many Pakistanis falling to the resistance camp and Saudi propoganda.

PLO have been sell outs for a long time which is why Hamas was voted in. Any leader who stands up to Israel with harsh words and resistance is murdered. It's not as easy as selecting a good leader who will change the status quo, as the Zionists want it to continue. As for Modi I doubt he will use any harsh langauge such as apartheid, occupation etc. He will merely say both sides should look for peace etc.
 
PR stunt. Modi has visited Israel first and then the Zionist leader went to India. Now Modi is trying to balance out his relationships with the Arabs who must be annoyed with him. Palestinians must be vary of what Modi says, he is no friend and will probably put froward suggestions agreed with his Zionist masters.

The Arabs don't give two hoots about this. Iran and its Shia Muslims are enemy #1 at the mo'
 
Not all Arab nations are aligned. Qatar has different views to UAE and so does Lebanon and others.

They've all had times to brood and make their moves since India established full diplomatic relations with Israel in 1992. They've done nothing. Either they don't care or would like India in their friends list anyway. Probably both.
 
Not all Arab nations are aligned. Qatar has different views to UAE and so does Lebanon and others.

Yes, even if they are aligned people can have different opinions than their leaders. Egypt has relations with Apartheid Israel but people still hate them. But since they are ruled by dictators people’s view don’t matter much.
 
PR stunt. Modi has visited Israel first and then the Zionist leader went to India. Now Modi is trying to balance out his relationships with the Arabs who must be annoyed with him. Palestinians must be vary of what Modi says, he is no friend and will probably put froward suggestions agreed with his Zionist masters.

Indians are a free and sovereign people, we do not have foreign masters, though such existence of such a situation may be beyond your understanding.
 
Indians are a free and sovereign people, we do not have foreign masters, though such existence of such a situation may be beyond your understanding.

lol. Around 40,000 British troops were only required for the British Empire to control most of India. They didn't need troops because they realised Indians have a subservient mentality. Even to this day at the Wagah border, your personelll wear western dress while the Pakistanis dont. India has now sold its soul to Zionism, it's not an equal partner as some Indians think.
 
lol. Around 40,000 British troops were only required for the British Empire to control most of India. They didn't need troops because they realised Indians have a subservient mentality. Even to this day at the Wagah border, your personelll wear western dress while the Pakistanis dont. India has now sold its soul to Zionism, it's not an equal partner as some Indians think.

British controlled Pakistan also so i guess Pakistanis have subservient mentality as well.

Army wears a professional dress thats uniform across the Indian armed forces. Your Army chief wears the same.

We are not in the business of selling, we are not mercenaries. We didnot rent out our country to anyone to fight their wars.
 
God dammit

Why does every thread become INDvPAK after 20 odd posts :facepalm:

IKR

On topic: I dont see anything wrong with PM visiting Palestine. As some posters have stated, India have historically good relations with Palestines as well. So, if Modi can somehow maintain that neutral balance, I see nothing wrong with this approach. PM should refrain from commenting on sensitive subject that could offend either of the party (Israel or Palestine). Just go there sign the deal and off you go. Just avoid the dramas...
 
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