"Once they get a hold of a bowler, be in T20Is, ODIs or Tests, they ruin him": Aaqib Javed

[MenInG]

Aaqib Javed on Haris and use of non-Test bowlers

"To make a comeback, Pakistan will have to play bowlers. Once they get a hold of a bowler, be in T20Is, ODIs or Tests - uska bedha gark karke saans lete hain (they don't rest unless it is ruined). Haris should not be playing Tests because he is not that trained. Play bowlers who can play Test matches, who play First-Class cricket and pick wickets regularly. There is Mir Hamza - play such bowlers who can bowl for long periods and know where and how to bowl. And increase the number of bowlers"

"You can't have part timers operate from one end, who can stop the scoring, right? If you get wickets, only then will you get respite. Otherwise, they (England) will score at a brisk pace. Their mindset is to score at a run-a-ball. Keep a strike rate of 100. If they get out in the process, for them it doesn't make a difference. And that is the difference. They bat at a strike rate of 100 or 135. How can there be a match?"

 

[TheSultan]

The Haris Rauf debate is an interesting one. He can be limited to a white ball specialist. But imagine if you’re someone setting the strategy for Pakistan test cricket - you would want a 150k bowler in your test team.

However, Aqib’s point about having overs under your belt is a sound one. He needs domestic experience. But moreover, someone (if this someone even exists) needs to to have a Frank chat with Haris.

Do you want to play test cricket? If you do, you have to get a full season of domestic and maybe county cricket under your belt. It will hurt, it may break you, but only after you do that will you be ready. It may also risk your white ball future. If you are ready and willing, here’s the plan. If not, carry on with white ball.

The problem is I don’t think there is anyone in the Pakistan setup who even thinks or cares about test cricket like this.

 

[Kianig89]

Taking wickets the only soln.

 

[Xoib]

The Haris Rauf debate is an interesting one. He can be limited to a white ball specialist. But imagine if you’re someone setting the strategy for Pakistan test cricket - you would want a 150k bowler in your test team.

However, Aqib’s point about having overs under your belt is a sound one. He needs domestic experience. But moreover, someone (if this someone even exists) needs to to have a Frank chat with Haris.

Do you want to play test cricket? If you do, you have to get a full season of domestic and maybe county cricket under your belt. It will hurt, it may break you, but only after you do that will you be ready. It may also risk your white ball future. If you are ready and willing, here’s the plan. If not, carry on with white ball.

The problem is I don’t think there is anyone in the Pakistan setup who even thinks or cares about test cricket like this.

Harris imo can be a key part of test setup in a 5 man attack he can be the enforcer, however dont play him on such usless pitches. Pakistan test team more then personal needs a mindset shift the current managment thinks this is the 1960's and are satisfied with 500 vs 500 games.

 

[Marooned]

The issue wasn't playing Haris. The issue was wasting him on this tampered garbage so called cricket pitch.

On a better surface, this selection could've worked as a wildcard.

 

[Savak]

Aqib is the last person to talk. Haris Rauf has been forced to play and bowl for Lahore Qalandars when he has been injured as well when he should have been resting.

 

[KyoOne]

Mir Hamza should have played a few years ago. Wasted his red ball skills for so long.

However, we do need one genuine quick alongside a swing/seam bowler (+an all-rounder) for Pakistan wickets.

From the current pool, M Ali, Naseem and Faheem should play the second test, Nawaz and Abrar can round up as spin duo. Nawaz should replace Azhar Ali.

Playing first-class should not be a condition, skills should be valued. Bumrah did not play many first-class matches before his test debut, but was an instant success.

 

[Stewie]

Rauf has played 9 FC matches, its not like he is an absolute newbie to the longer version of the game. You all gotta start somewhere.

If he was not injured he would have made a difference. But I do agree with his point of managing their workloads. We play them across formats relentlessly. We always lack proper rotation of our players.

 

[Markhor]

Mir Hamza should have played a few years ago. Wasted his red ball skills for so long.

However, we do need one genuine quick alongside a swing/seam bowler (+an all-rounder) for Pakistan wickets.

From the current pool, M Ali, Naseem and Faheem should play the second test, Nawaz and Abrar can round up as spin duo. Nawaz should replace Azhar Ali.

Playing first-class should not be a condition, skills should be valued. Bumrah did not play many first-class matches before his test debut, but was an instant success.

I don't understand why Hamza wasn't selected either. With Shaheen's injury, surely you'd play a like-for-like replacement in another left arm swing bowler ?

I know he isn't as quick but he already has Test experience and performed in last two FC seasons..

 

[Misia]

3 separate selection committee's T20, Odi, test .
only specialists from each field, as committee members.
T20 member cannot double up as odi or test and vice versa (held accountable)

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Exactly, get FC cricket experience under your belt and the be ready to play TC

Even Mohammed Ali who was trundling was able to pitch in the hard length and ask questions.. He is simply a bad selection too, looking at his fitness and age seems to be another tabish khan..

Hasan Ali did well in TEST cricket but was dropped

Mir Hamza and Sameen Gul are taking wickets in every QEA season with lots of FC experience under their belt but still Hamza lacks pace and more like Abbas who can trouble the batsman in English pitches..

Sameen Gul is being wasted in FC cricket for so long... He is capable forming a great pair with Shaheen

Would be Pakistan's Hazlewood or Pat cummins.

 

[Monsee]

Aqib is the last person to talk. Haris Rauf has been forced to play and bowl for Lahore Qalandars when he has been injured as well when he should have been resting.

Not to forget Aaqib's specialization in tampering with actions and ruining careers (for good) for a long list of players. He should be the last person pointing fingers at anyone else. If the pitch was a better one, read a report that it had lots of grass till the last day or two, Harris would have been exceptional in short bursts.

More than the bowling issue, I want the well past by his expiry date good for nothing Azhar Ali (who still bats like it is his first test, scared like a chicken)...dude people with 87 some tests should be able to handle most type of bowling on such a benign surface but he still managed to make it look like a minefield!

And Babar must step down and let Rizwan to be the captain, he is just totally clueless in tests for sure!

 

[Maher96]

Chairman, Chief Selector and Captain…

Beyond pathetic the way it’s going around… we hoped to become world beaters but plain simply, this is same mediocrity I have been used to for a while.

Haris should never play Test, limit him to white- ball. We have seen what happend to Shaheen.

Again Mir Hamza is probably never going to play decent amount of games for Pakistan.

 

[shamaan]

The Haris Rauf debate is an interesting one. He can be limited to a white ball specialist. But imagine if you’re someone setting the strategy for Pakistan test cricket - you would want a 150k bowler in your test team.

However, Aqib’s point about having overs under your belt is a sound one. He needs domestic experience. But moreover, someone (if this someone even exists) needs to to have a Frank chat with Haris.

Do you want to play test cricket? If you do, you have to get a full season of domestic and maybe county cricket under your belt. It will hurt, it may break you, but only after you do that will you be ready. It may also risk your white ball future. If you are ready and willing, here’s the plan. If not, carry on with white ball.

The problem is I don’t think there is anyone in the Pakistan setup who even thinks or cares about test cricket like this.

Rauf can't bowl 150kph in tests more realistic is 140-145

 

[shamaan]

Rauf should not play tests

 

[Mamoon]

Naseem & Rauf were never good enough. They are just products of hype machine.

Shaheen was definitely mismanaged. As the only genuinely talented world class bowler in the country, he should have been handled with more care.

They ran him him into the ground & one can hope that he can comeback as the same bowler because talents like him come along once in 30 years.

 

[Saj]

Aaqib is right about Haris.

He's not ready for Tests and I doubt he ever will be.

On what basis has he been selected for the 5-day format.

 

[Zaz]

why wasn't mir hamza selected A one dimensional inexperienced attack was ripe for the picking

At the very least he wouldve provided variety Whats the point in players playing fc cricket and them performing if your not gonna pick them?

 

[muqarrab]

Aaqib is right about Haris.

He's not ready for Tests and I doubt he ever will be.

On what basis has he been selected for the 5-day format.

In addition to Raja and Saqi, m. wasim also needs to go. He has bee a disaster.

 

[msb314]

Naseem & Rauf were never good enough. They are just products of hype machine.

Shaheen was definitely mismanaged. As the only genuinely talented world class bowler in the country, he should have been handled with more care.

They ran him him into the ground & one can hope that he can comeback as the same bowler because talents like him come along once in 30 years.

SSA is a choker of the highest order. Not sure why he is glorified so much here on PP.

Maybe we deep down regret how Mohammad Amir’s career turned out and try to justify SSA as his “replacement”…

 

[Xoib]

On what basis is Mir Hamza being hyped since the FC structure bas been revamped Hamza averages close to 40.

Back Mohammad Ali imo on a decent pitch he will do well.

 

[Mamoon]

SSA is a choker of the highest order. Not sure why he is glorified so much here on PP.

Maybe we deep down regret how Mohammad Amir’s career turned out and try to justify SSA as his “replacement”…

Shaheen is special. They way he takes wickets in his first over is extraordinary. Every opener in the world fears him & respects him.

He is the only Pakistani pacer who has any sort of psychological impact on the opposition batsmen.

If he stays fit, he will go down as an all-time great & right up there with with Wasim, Imran & Waqar. He has everything in his locker.