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"One-Day cricket is just a drag now, especially after T20" : Wasim Akram

Short tours of 3 match ODI series should be played rather than 5 and 7 match ODI series.
Tri series should be made more frequent.
 
I would say wipe out these pointless bilateral ODIs and have more tri nation series, Sharjah Cups, Carlton and United series, Singer Cups, Sahara Cups, Castle Lager Cup, Benson and Hedges Natwest Cups, Champions Trophy and WCs.

This will keep ODIs and T20s interesting when many countries are competing against each other, not boring pointless bilateral series

Nobody cares about triseries, there's a reason they died out completely once T20s became popular. People have zero interest in neutral matches that doesn't involve the host nation. What was normal in 1990s is completely irrelevant now
 
I say get rid of all the bilateral ODI games. It can also prevent injuries.

Just keep the World Super League and World Cup.

That's how most ODI matches are nowadays, they are part of the WC Super League. Problem is Super League is another meaningless qualification rounds. For it to be deemed effective, they need to make it only top 7 teams qualify + host country.
 
That's how most ODI matches are nowadays, they are part of the WC Super League. Problem is Super League is another meaningless qualification rounds. For it to be deemed effective, they need to make it only top 7 teams qualify + host country.

Not all ODI games are parts of Super League.

Current India-WI is not part of it. Neither was Eng-South Africa. Neither was BD-WI (the one BD won 3-0 recently).

These are all meaningless games. These should be scrapped.
 
New Delhi: Amidst the glamour of T20 Cricket and the charm of Test cricket, the ODI format has somewhat lost its significance among the players and fans. The retirement of Ben Stokes from ODI cricket gave rise to a debate about whether ODI cricket can sustain the pressure from the other two formats. Many experts believe that given the physical challenges of playing all three formats, it will be difficult for players to play all formats of the game thus they quit one format to prolong their careers. Since T20 cricket involves a lot of financial benefits and Test cricket being the ultimate format, ODI cricket might be the one that suffers the most.

Recently, former Pakistan cricketer Shahid Afridi said that ODIs should be reduced to 40 overs to make it keep its importance. “One-day cricket has become quite boring now. I would suggest to cut ODI cricket from 50 overs to 40 overs in order to make it entertaining,” Afridi had said on Samaa TV.

Now, former India coach Ravi Shastri has echoed the same sentiments. Shastri said that when ODI cricket started, it was played for 60 overs before being reduced to 50 overs, adding that it is time to further trim the format to make it entertaining.

“There is no harm in shortening the span of the game. When one-day cricket started, it was of 60 overs. When we won the World Cup in 1983, it was of 60 overs. After that, people thought that 60 overs were a bit too long. People found that span of overs between 20 to 40 hard to digest. So they reduced it from 60 to 50. So years have gone by now since that decision so why not reduce it from 50 to 40 now. Because you got to be forward-thinking and evolve. It stayed for 50 for too long,” he said during commentary in the 2nd ODI between India and West Indies.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...hid-afridis-take-on-dying-odi-cricket-1033039
 
Salman Butt on this topic:

“One-dayers have big tournaments, but there are no leagues in it. So, if someone is facing exhaustion with a packed schedule, they prefer to retire from ODIs. This way, they can have a cash-rich option in T20s and the long format one in Tests"

“Wasim Bhai is our legend. Who are we to say anything to him. I respect his opinion, but he also has 500 wickets in ODIs only. The two deliveries he bowled in the World Cup that everyone remembers; you won’t see them in T20s. There’s not enough time in that format. He was the man of the match in the World Cup final"
 
Odi cricket used to be amazing to watch. Fascinating from start to finish and anything could happen.

Think of the endless Sharjah Cup's, Benson and Hedges world series, Titan Cup, Singer world series, Tournaments in Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Singapore Cup, 5 match odi series. TV5 cup final Ind vs Aus 2003.

260 was a challenging score, look back to the Ind vs Pak 2011 CWC SF.

1999 world cup, even 230 would be a good score if quick wickets fell and back in the days, 300 was not a regular score and a very very stiff target.

I used to love watch 50 over cricket, I remember the ICC Champions Trophy 2000, 2002, that A Flower 145 epic innings.

Scrap the two new ball rule, have better pitches.
 
I would say wipe out these pointless bilateral ODIs and have more tri nation series, Sharjah Cups, Carlton and United series, Singer Cups, Sahara Cups, Castle Lager Cup, Benson and Hedges Natwest Cups, Champions Trophy and WCs.

This will keep ODIs and T20s interesting when many countries are competing against each other, not boring pointless bilateral series

No thanks. We're not in the 90s anymore.
 
With so much cricket around, no cares for either formats outside WCs. Both T20 and ODI results are forgotten within a couple of days. They remind me of friendly matches in International football.
 
Ever since the retirement of England all-rounder Ben Stokes from ODIs, many are speculating about the future of the 50-over format. A lot of former cricketers have also expressed their concern with the growing cricket calendar and how players need to stay fresh. Now, former Team India head coach Ravi Shastri has backed calls for reducing the number of overs in ODIs, saying ODIs have been played for 50 overs for far too long.

During the commentary stint on FanCode for the second ODI between India and West Indies, Shastri said: "There is no harm in shortening the span of the game. When ODIs started, it was 60 overs. When we won the World Cup in 1983, it was 60 overs. After that, people thought that 60 overs were a bit too long. People found that span of overs between 20 to 40 hard to digest. So they reduced it from 60 to 50.

"So, years have gone by now since that decision so why not reduce it from 50 to 40 now. Because you got to be forward-thinking and evolve. It stayed for 50 for too long,” he added.

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/has...-shastris-radical-suggestion-for-odis-3195674
 
Leeds (United Kingdom) (AFP) – Quinton de Kock believes it will become increasingly difficult for leading cricketers to play all three main formats, although he remains confident about the future for one-day internationals.

The South Africa wicketkeeper-batsman, who made a fine unbeaten 92 before the third ODI against England at Headingley on Sunday was washed out, ended his Test career late last year, shortly before becoming a father for the first time.

Questions regarding a congested global schedule were raised again after the ODI retirement of England all-rounder Ben Stokes following the first match of this series at the 2019 World Cup final star's Chester-le-Street home ground.

De Kock, speaking after Sunday's rain in Leeds meant a three-game contest ended in a 1-1 draw, told reporters: "It's going to start being tough for players -- three formats is a lot and it looks like more games are happening over the calendar.

"Players need to make decisions individually and if they feel they can do it (play Tests, ODIs and Twenty20 internationals), I am happy for them," the 29-year-old added.

"But guys need to take decisions into their own hands. For me, I am happy where I am."

De Kock though stressed curtailing a 54-match Test career had yet to have the desired effect.

Although he had two months off after returning from paternity leave to play in South Africa's white-ball matches against India in January ahead of the series against Bangladesh, he has been on the go playing cricket ever since.

De Kock featured for the Lucknow Super Giants in the Indian Premier League before the tour of England, which also includes several further T20 internationals.

He will then remain in England to play in the Hundred before heading to the Caribbean Premier League prior to another white-ball series in India which precedes the T20 World Cup in Australia.

'Sacrifice'
"It (retiring from Tests) hasn't freed up my calendar -- at least not this year," said De Kock.

"I've been roped in to play a couple of leagues but that's my own consequence.

"I am happy to do it. It's still a sacrifice but I'm slowly getting to an age where I need to think about where I want to be in my career."

South Africa have never won a 50-over World Cup -- something they will try to put right in India next year -- with De Kock insisting: "The (ODI) game is doing well for itself with the way players are going about it and from a batting and bowling competitiveness.

"There's a future for it and a lot of us still want to win 50-over World Cups."

De Kock was just shy of what would have been his 18th ODI century, with the opener 92 not out off 76 balls, including 13 fours, when rain eventually ended play with South Africa 159-2 off 27.4 overs.

"I think obviously it's nice going out there and scoring runs for the guys," he said.

England captain Jos Buttler was left frustrated by a gruelling schedule, as much as the bad weather.

The 50-over world champions are currently nine games into a hectic period of 12 white-ball fixtures in 24 days, with just a solitary training day in that time.

Buttler, who recently succeeded Eoin Morgan as England's limited-overs captain following the 2019 World Cup-winning skipper's international retirement, said: "It's tough.

"To get the highest standard of cricket possible, you need to prepare properly. Hopefully that's something we can look at going forward.

He added: "That's been a frustration to be truthfully honest -- it would be nice to have that time to do the work."

https://www.france24.com/en/live-ne...s-multi-format-cricketers-could-be-on-way-out
 
The governing International Cricket Council (ICC) played down threats to the game's 50-overs format on Wednesday and said a "healthy" number of one-day internationals will be played in the 2023-27 cycle.

The proliferation of lucrative domestic T20 leagues have cramped up cricket's already-strained calendar.

The congested cricketing schedule has come into laser-sharp focus since Ben Stokes' retirement announcement, where he stated the "unsustainable" schedule was a major factor in his decision to depart the 50-over game.

It is not just Stokes who has sacrificed the ODI format as earlier this month, South Africa abandoned their ODI tour of Australia as it clashed with the launch of their domestic T20 league, rising their chances of qualifying directly for next year's World Cup in India.

ICC chief executive Geoff Allardice said structuring of the game's three formats was discussed at the governing body's annual general meeting in Birmingham where the Future Tours Programme (FTP) 2023-27 was finalised.

"I think at this stage there is some discussion, not specifically about ODIs, but about the mix of formats within the calendar," Allardice told a video conference.

"Countries have been, in their FTPs (future tour programs), are still scheduling a healthy number of ODIs as well.

"So in the FTP, I don't think you'll see any significant change to the number of ODIs or the proportion of ODIs as being planned."

Australia test batsman Usman Khawaja has said one-day cricket was "dying a slow death", while former Pakistan captain Wasim Akram called the format a "drag".

Allardice conceded some members put "particular attention on their domestic leagues" but insisted their commitment to international and bilateral cricket was "as strong as it's ever been".

"Each of them has to manage that balance between domestic competitions, their international schedule and the management of their players," he added.

"Each of those boards is in a slightly different situation. So there isn't a one-size-fits-all approach to that balancing issue."

ICC chairman Greg Barclay also acknowledged that franchise-based leagues were expanding fast.

"So there's a lot of pressure on the calendar, but I'm not sure it's a tipping point," said the New Zealander.

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Difficult to disagree when watching T20I, they’re just so much fun ! :)
 
Australian fast bowling great Glenn McGrath is still in love with the 50-over format but has no hesitation in admitting that it does face a daunting challenge with the exponential popularity of T20 cricket. A traditionalist by nature, the 'Director of Coaching' at the MRF Pace Foundation still believes that Test cricket remains the "ultimate test" of a cricketer.

"I am very much a traditionalist. I liked Test, I liked my ODIs. Test cricket is till the ultimate to me. I I hope that it is protected and still held in high regard,' McGrath told reporters during an interaction.

"As for the ODIs, it is still exciting as long as they are scoring runs. Interesting to see the future (of ODIs) and see where it goes. They have got to keep making it (ODIs) exciting. They have got a few challenges," he added.

McGrath won't be surprised if a lot of youngsters start opting for T20 Internationals citing workload issues.

"I would like to think so. See teams are now having separate T20 and ODI teams...they are nearly getting more specific. Yeah, the money is in T20 cricket isn't it? To be honest, a lot of players, a lot of youngsters coming up will look to play T20s."

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Difficult to disagree when watching T20I, they’re just so much fun ! :)

Yes its fun but, the sport changes a bit with each format based upon the importance of wicket associated with it. In ODIs a wicket has much more value and thus there are prolonged phases of pressure, rebuilding alongside utilizing the power play at the beginning, the middle overs in a way to have enough resources to accelerate at the end.

ODIs in my opinion provide a good middle ground between test and T20Is as it has characteristics of both involved at different stages.

If anyone has been loving the sport for sometime, you start loving that grind as well (as a viewer) which comes with longer formats and at the same time enjoy the pace of T20Is. Yes there time constraint and time you have to give to longer formats but, at the same time you keep striving for that good grind and battle in the middle which touch its peak in the longer formats when you have time (I understand that there are financial aspects involved to sports).

So I personally hope that ODIs survive the test of time. Maybe switching to one new ball and letting the reverse swing make a come back in the middle overs would be good for a change. As in T20Is the bowl rarely gets roughed up enough to reverse while it test cricket generally there is not that much urgency of big strokes. Implementation of big strokes vs reversing ball requires different kind of skillset which can give more dimension to ODIs which already are quite different then the other two formats while having some common characteristics of both.
 
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Yes its fun but, the sport changes a bit with each format based upon the importance of wicket associated with it. In ODIs a wicket has much more value and thus there are prolonged phases of pressure, rebuilding alongside utilizing the power play at the beginning, the middle overs in a way to have enough resources to accelerate at the end.

ODIs in my opinion provide a good middle ground between test and T20Is as it has characteristics of both involved at different stages.

If anyone has been loving the sport for sometime, you start loving that grind as well (as a viewer) which comes with longer formats and at the same time enjoy the pace of T20Is. Yes there time constraint and time you have to give to longer formats but, at the same time you keep striving for that good grind and battle in the middle which touch its peak in the longer formats when you have time (I understand that there are financial aspects involved to sports).

So I personally hope that ODIs survive the test of time. Maybe switching to one new ball and letting the reverse swing make a come back in the middle overs would be good for a change. As in T20Is the bowl rarely gets roughed up enough to reverse while it test cricket generally there is not that much urgency of big strokes. Implementation of big strokes vs reversing ball requires different kind of skillset which can give more dimension to ODIs which already are quite different then the other two formats while having some common characteristics of both.

ODIs are not fun anymore to kids who grew up watching T20. An nine year old watching the first IPL in 2008 is now 23, and has graduated University. Within 5 years, they will be afford to buy tickets for T20 games. This person still probably has little interest in ODIs.

However, a 16 year old who grew up with IPL, PCL, BBL, CPL has no interest in ODIs. To them, it's an elongated form of T20, far more boring. Changing rules won't matter to them

ODIs was murdered twice. First when rules were changed. Second after the 2007 T20I world cup which gave birth to IPL and other T20 leagues. It's far too late to change the rules now.

I am not proposing killing ODIs (they're my favourite format). But just explaining why ODIs will die out. Cricket has no room for two LOI formats. With every passing year, an old ODI fan dies and a new T20 fan is born. By 2030, T2O fans will outnumber ODI fans by an enormous margin.
 
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Moeen Ali has warned that one-day international cricket could die ‘in a couple of years’ if nothing is done to ease the sport’s imbalanced fixture list.

In a scathing indictment of the game’s governance, Ali suggested others would follow Ben Stokes’s recent decision to quit the 50-over format – because the current model is unsustainable.

And with new T20 franchise competitions popping up with increasing frequency, he even painted a bleak picture for the future of Test cricket, suggesting talented young players may ‘turn their backs’ on a format that has been at the heart of the international game since 1877.

Ali, who retired from Test cricket last year citing exhaustion before reversing his decision in June, said: ‘International cricket in all three formats is by far the best cricket to play. But I do worry there are so many tournaments out there, that players are retiring more now – and you’ll see more retiring soon – because of overlapping schedules.

‘I feel like there’s no balance. It’s all over the place at the minute. Something has to be done, because I fear losing the 50-over format in a couple of years.

‘It’s almost like the long boring one, if that makes sense. You’ve got T20s and you’ve got the Test matches, which are great, and then the 50 overs is just in the middle – there’s no importance given to it at the moment.

‘So yeah, I feel like there’s too much going on. It’s great in a way, because there’s always cricket being played, but it should never come in the way of international cricket.’

Ironically, Ali was speaking at the launch of KP Snacks’ summer cricket roadshow – an initiative tied to the Hundred, in which he is captain of Birmingham Phoenix.

And while, for many, the Hundred is just one symptom of a wider malaise, grabbing primetime weeks in high summer and pushing England’s Test series against South Africa deep into September, Ali believes the players are being asked to make unfair choices by the game’s administrators.

‘If you’re a young player, there’s so much to be made money-wise away from international cricket. So you’re almost like, “I’m not too bothered”, because of the money. But you lose that hunger and I think you lose that thing for Test cricket, which is the absolute pinnacle.

‘I know it’s very early, but there’s so many good players out there that could not be worried that they need to play Test cricket, whereas I reckon about 10 or 15 years ago it was all about playing Test cricket.’

But Ali’s greatest fear is for the format in which England are world champions, following their thrilling super-over win against New Zealand at Lord’s three years ago.

With the IPL continually expanding, and its owners buying up teams in T20 leagues outside India, the white-ball balance of power has shifted away from 50-over cricket to its more consumer-friendly 20-over cousin.

Meanwhile, the establishment of domestic tournaments such as the Hundred or – more recently – the 6ixty in the Caribbean, reflect nervousness among national boards at the diminishing broadcast value of bilateral international cricket.

Ali is not optimistic about the future of a format that began at Melbourne in 1970-71, when a rain-ruined Ashes Test persuaded the administrators to hold a limited-overs match between Australia and England instead.

‘It just feels like it’s going that way and there’s almost nothing you can do, because I think the interest in 50-over cricket is not there as it probably once was.

‘Having won it in 2019, it’s a difficult one, but I genuinely feel in two or three years’ time, nobody’s going to want to play.

‘It’s a bit like our domestic stuff here at the moment: there’s the Hundred while the 50-over [Royal London Cup] is going on, and there’s not that much interest in it, compared to the Championship, the Blast and the Hundred.’

Part of the problem, believes Ali, who was in England’s World Cup-winning squad and has won 121 one-day caps, is that 50-over cricket has become too formulaic.

‘There’s that period in the middle where it’s a little bit boring, to be honest with you,’ he said. ‘As a spinner, it becomes negative, where you are bowling 10 overs trying to go at five or six an over. I think the rules have to change – maybe go back to one ball to try and get a bit of reverse swing.

‘Whatever, it has got to be a bit more exciting. At the moment it’s pretty boring. When the guys at No 3 or 4 get in, they get a run-a-ball 100 – they can block four or five balls and hit a boundary in that over. It’s hard to build up pressure in 50-over cricket.’

England will defend their one-day World Cup title in India in late 2023, though by then – if Ali’s fears come to fruition – the game may have other priorities.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/c...-just-couple-years-overlapping-schedules.html
 
Again players are not consistent in their approach. I agree playing three formats may not be viable. However, my point is if they claim ODI is long and boring, how come they don't extend the same to Test Cricket? T20 franchise league won't just threaten ODIs which is being played less anyways these days, it will also threaten Test Cricket and other international Cricket in general.

Americans were right all along, and looks like Baseball is a far superior sport after all.
 
Again players are not consistent in their approach. I agree playing three formats may not be viable. However, my point is if they claim ODI is long and boring, how come they don't extend the same to Test Cricket? T20 franchise league won't just threaten ODIs which is being played less anyways these days, it will also threaten Test Cricket and other international Cricket in general.

Americans were right all along, and looks like Baseball is a far superior sport after all.

Test cricket isn't threatened by T20 leagues. Ashes and Border/Gavaskar trophy still get immense coverage. Associates and minnows like Ireland and Bangladesh not being able to play tests mean nothing. Big teams don't care about playing against minnows anyway.

Meanwhile the minnows need LOI for revenue. And ODIs don't bring as much profit anymore. T20 brings as much money if not more at a fraction of the cost.
 
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Wouldn’t happen in England.
 
ODI’s on paper do seem long winded but the tournaments tend to be exciting
 
Interesting comment by Ravi Shastri that ODIs were 50 overs after 1983 and its been too long.

This is actually not true. While most of the world did play 50 over bilaterals, there were 2 exceptions - Pakistan and England.

Pakistan primarily used to play 40 overs a side ODIs at home until the 94/95 season wills triangular when they switched to 50 and England used to play 55 overs a side until the 1996 India tour of England when they switched to 50 as well .

The real villain is a actually Test cricket. It's a loss-making venture for everyone except series involving Big 3. But nobody is willing to talk about it .

It goes on for 5 days only to make losses for hosts. That cannot continue for much longer. Apart from a few marquee series, it has rapidly become an irrelevant format.

I believe 50 overs is still a great format for ICC events . The ICC and other boards do not extend the same support to 50 overs as they do to Test cricket.

There is a simple solution to this . Let all host boards unbundle the broadcast rights by format I.e Tests, ODIs and T20s separately . I'll bet my house that with the exception of the Big 3, no broadcaster would want anything to do with Test cricket in any other country.

But you wont see that happening because we all have to pretend that Test cricket deserves to preserved just because. :)
 
What about ICC starts a 50 over league cricket that has teams playing continues matches of 50 over cricket?
 
Australian crowd has not been impressive these days apart from test cricket against top test teams.
 
This is nothing to do with format. It is just Australia being Australia during this season. India zimbabwe match had 82000 people attendance. A dead rubber.
 
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I mean, this series was a particularly pointless and pathetic example as far as bilateral meets go. Nobody wanted it, aside from maybe a few of the Australian players. The Australian fans have rightly been voting with their feet on this one. I didn’t follow the game today… no interest at all.
 
Yeah ODI's appear tedious now. I don't think fans care about them anymore.
 
I feel like we've had way too much t20 lately, so much so that it has become predictable. I frankly miss ODIs at this point. We need to figure out how to preserve the format.
 
Jos Buttler Quote:

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Bilateral ODIs are getting pointless, but sometimes the timing is also poor. This Aus-Eng series was very poorly planned. No one was ever going to be interested in that immediately after the World Cup.

The ODI World Cup is different though. Everyone will be tuning in. But they need to make it a shorter tournament
 
Nobody is interested in watching Bilateral ODIs. Even ODI WCs aren’t the same anymore. Might as well scrap the format and invest more in international T20s. That will also lessen the impact of myriad leagues springing up everywhere.
 
I love ODI cricket, but the sad reality is that it is on its last legs and I don’t see it surviving beyond this decade.

T20 cricket has made this format pointless. It offers nothing from an entertainment perspective that T20s do not.

Fans no longer have the patience or the dedicated to watch a 100 over format when they can get their fill in 40 overs in 3.5 hours.

Killing off ODI cricket would also signal the end of multi-format players. Boards will have separate Test and T20I teams, they will play both formats at the same time that will give them more flexibility in terms of scheduling.

More rest for players, more room for franchise cricket, additional T20I cricket and maybe even more Test cricket.

Test cricket will survive. I don’t see ICC and the major powers like India, Australia and England killing off the format. It will continue to lose money but they will be able to subsidize it through the money earned by T20 cricket both at international and franchise level.
 
One of the reasons is because due to the t20 WC this year lots of t20s were played over the last year. But now with the 50 over WC next year t20s will take over and t20s in the backseat. Slowly fans will again start getting used to ODIs. Once a couple of high scoring close matches occur things will change.
 
I love ODI cricket, but the sad reality is that it is on its last legs and I don’t see it surviving beyond this decade.

T20 cricket has made this format pointless. It offers nothing from an entertainment perspective that T20s do not.

Fans no longer have the patience or the dedicated to watch a 100 over format when they can get their fill in 40 overs in 3.5 hours.

Killing off ODI cricket would also signal the end of multi-format players. Boards will have separate Test and T20I teams, they will play both formats at the same time that will give them more flexibility in terms of scheduling.

More rest for players, more room for franchise cricket, additional T20I cricket and maybe even more Test cricket.

Test cricket will survive. I don’t see ICC and the major powers like India, Australia and England killing off the format. It will continue to lose money but they will be able to subsidize it through the money earned by T20 cricket both at international and franchise level.

I agree that ODI cricket isn’t going to see the 2030s. However, I’m entirely more apprehensive about players getting adequate rest. They’ll either instead play more bilateral t20s, or seek out playing in extant franchise competitions.

There’s also a bigger threat for boards if more franchise competitions come into play or get longer. Eventually you’ll start seeing more freelancers, which will both weaken board revenue streams (in terms of the NOC cut that boards get) and the weakening of international teams.
 
Anyone remembers the crowds & enthusiasm of champions trophy 2017 or world cup 2019 or even 2015 world cup knock out matches.

There are still 2 major ICC trophies up for grabs in 50 over format ( world cup & champions trophy)

ODI cricket is not going anywhere, it has it’s own legacy dating back to Gillette cup in 1960’s and then Prudential World Cups.

Bilaterals are always boring but not icc ODI tournaments.

ODI matches give degree if comfort as one can do his work/job at peace and watch in between for 2-3 hours.

T20 is always rush.
 
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He's absolutely right. This was one of the worst scheduled series ever. Let alone English players, even the Australian public didn't care one bit about the matches. The attendance was atrocious.
 
ODI matches give degree if comfort as one can do his work/job at peace and watch in between for 2-3 hours.

T20 is always rush.

we've always watched important t20s at work, easy to take out 3 hours even on a work day esp if early or later in the day, no way can u sit and watch an odi all day long.

the fact that u know you can get away with only watching the last 2 hours of an odi show that the 3/4 of the game is virtually pointless.
 
People might as well start claiming every single bi lateral series are pointless and only WC knockout matches are relevant which happens like every 2 to 4 years.

Thing is though, T20 Cricket is not even cricket at all, you might as well start playing Baseball. I think what ICC can do is come up with a standard format for LOI that is in between T20 and ODI. So, something like 30 overs would be respectable. Another thing to note is, without ODI, you wont see the likes of Steven Smith, Labuschegne, Babar, Rohit, etc at their absolute best.
 
It is a matter of one close nail-biting One dayer. Everyone will be singing praise for ODI. T20 is a glorified net session. Due to back to back world T20 this gained some prominence. Otherwise, a rubbish format where a good batsman gets to face on an average 20 to 30 balls. Good bowlers bowl 24 balls separated by two spells. It facilitates no talent hacks find their way into playing international cricket. Once ODI world cup gets closer T20 addition will fade away. When T10 comes people will say T20 is boring. I am not sure if it requires any creativity to come up with these shrunken formats. All you do is merely reduce overs. This is like reducing 5 setter in wimbledon to 2 setter.
 
It is a matter of one close nail-biting One dayer. Everyone will be singing praise for ODI. T20 is a glorified net session. Due to back to back world T20 this gained some prominence. Otherwise, a rubbish format where a good batsman gets to face on an average 20 to 30 balls. Good bowlers bowl 24 balls separated by two spells. It facilitates no talent hacks find their way into playing international cricket. Once ODI world cup gets closer T20 addition will fade away. When T10 comes people will say T20 is boring. I am not sure if it requires any creativity to come up with these shrunken formats. All you do is merely reduce overs. This is like reducing 5 setter in wimbledon to 2 setter.

The tennis analogy is illogical. If you reduce tennis match from 5 sets to 2 sets, it is not going to impact the skill-sets of the players. Sure, it will increase the chances of an upset because the longer the match, the harder it is for the weaker player to prevail, but the same players would dominate 2 set matches in the long run because they are better than the competition.

However, calling successful T20 players “no talent hacks” is ridiculous when there are a never ending list of great Test players who are just not good enough in terms of ability and skill to excel in this format.

T20 cricket has its own challenges and difficulty level and can badly expose players who are world class in other formats.

It proves that no format is harder or easier than others. Different players excel in different formats based on their skill set, and the truly best players excel in all formats because they don’t have any limitations.

ODI cricket has no future because it no longer has any identity left. T20 has made it irrelevant. It does not appeal to any fan base.

You have Test fans and T20 fans, but there are few fans left who would prefer ODI over any of the other two formats. I personally love ODI cricket, but unfortunately it is on the brink of extinction because it has lost its appeal.

In the long run, T10 or maybe even the Hundred can kill T20s, just like 50 over ODIs killed 60 over ODIs, but for now, T20 is here to stay and ODI cricket is unlikely to survive beyond this decade.
 
He's right , very few people watch match between 15 and 40 overs. The only exciting parts are first few overs and last few overs. Two new balls made sure that there is no reverse swing.
Convert odis to 35 overs per side , it may see somw interest again.
 
All three formats have their unique place in the game.
 
He's absolutely right. This was one of the worst scheduled series ever. Let alone English players, even the Australian public didn't care one bit about the matches. The attendance was atrocious.
Most of the local public didn’t care about the T20 WC either in that case. The Aus vs NZ opener was full of Desi fans and was still only at 75% capacity. All of the other Aus games only had around ~20,000 or less which is terrible for a “WC”.
 
I reckon even test cricket will eventually end and only t20s will be left and after that people will find t20s boring as compared to t20s and t10 will replace t20s. And after that finally Hong Kong super sixes will replace t10 as cricket's only format
 
The tennis analogy is illogical. If you reduce tennis match from 5 sets to 2 sets, it is not going to impact the skill-sets of the players. Sure, it will increase the chances of an upset because the longer the match, the harder it is for the weaker player to prevail, but the same players would dominate 2 set matches in the long run because they are better than the competition.

However, calling successful T20 players “no talent hacks” is ridiculous when there are a never ending list of great Test players who are just not good enough in terms of ability and skill to excel in this format.

T20 cricket has its own challenges and difficulty level and can badly expose players who are world class in other formats.

It proves that no format is harder or easier than others. Different players excel in different formats based on their skill set, and the truly best players excel in all formats because they don’t have any limitations.

ODI cricket has no future because it no longer has any identity left. T20 has made it irrelevant. It does not appeal to any fan base.

You have Test fans and T20 fans, but there are few fans left who would prefer ODI over any of the other two formats. I personally love ODI cricket, but unfortunately it is on the brink of extinction because it has lost its appeal.

In the long run, T10 or maybe even the Hundred can kill T20s, just like 50 over ODIs killed 60 over ODIs, but for now, T20 is here to stay and ODI cricket is unlikely to survive beyond this decade.

This was what everyone talked about Test matches 20 years back. Test match is more popular than ever. One dayer is the only proper world cup format. Come the world cup all the perceptions will change. We have seen this routine before. For years we have been receiving suggestions like splitting one dayer into two innings and what not. But it is not going away. It is also a great ad revenue generating format for BCCI. It is not going anywhere.

League cricket will completely take over international T20 in the long run. It will be very difficult to slot international matches with more leagues coming up. IPL is getting ever popular. Infact t20 should be restricted to leagues.
 
Bilateral ODIs are getting pointless, but sometimes the timing is also poor. This Aus-Eng series was very poorly planned. No one was ever going to be interested in that immediately after the World Cup.

The ODI World Cup is different though. Everyone will be tuning in. But they need to make it a shorter tournament

No wonder they were playing in an empty stadium last night, very few spectators .
 
No wonder they were playing in an empty stadium last night, very few spectators .

Poor scheduling is a major reason. After a break they would have seen more crowd. On top of it Dead rubber, Tuesday, School summer holidays start in December. Perfect storm. Boxing day test will have the stadium full.
 
I think for ODIs to be exciting, and we've said this to death, that we need sportive wickets and a single ball.

A 350-400 score ODI is just a prolonged version of a T20 which no one will like, for ODIs to remain relevant, they need to present a different challenge, which is a middling ground between Tests and T20s.

Every ODI game which is low scoring like 250-260 type is interesting and people are still liking it.

If your target audience is a movie/Web series lover who watches cricket just for fun, then yes, such audiences like T20s. Otherwise I think cricket fans still have appetite for all formats, provided they have some context.
 
What ODIs need is to make the middle period 15-40 overs more interesting. Maybe have a bowling power play - E.g more bumpers allowed, change the ball to a reverse-swing ready version.

Either that, or reduce it to 40 overs.
 
I grew up watching so much ODI cricket in the 90s, 2000s....absolutely loved it then. I still love it now though it frustrates me when they basically just become T20s which last 7 hours with huge scores of 350+. My favourite ODIs have been those when 250 is a good score which you can defend, even less than 250.

I think ODI cricket needs its own identity. It cannot just be a T20 which lasts 7 hours. It needs to have a good balance between bat and ball.

Though I love ODIs I sadly agree that they are on their way out. I suspect the 2031 world cup will be the last we see of ODI cricket and sadly with the little kids with short attention spans who only love 4s and 6s, I think in 20-30 years we will be seeing more T10 cricket and eventually T20s will become the irrelevant format.
 
This was what everyone talked about Test matches 20 years back. Test match is more popular than ever. One dayer is the only proper world cup format. Come the world cup all the perceptions will change. We have seen this routine before. For years we have been receiving suggestions like splitting one dayer into two innings and what not. But it is not going away. It is also a great ad revenue generating format for BCCI. It is not going anywhere.

League cricket will completely take over international T20 in the long run. It will be very difficult to slot international matches with more leagues coming up. IPL is getting ever popular. Infact t20 should be restricted to leagues.

Test cricket is here to stay. It is a unique format. It cannot be replaced. Also, the major boards like India, Australia and England take it very seriously and they wouldn’t want it to die out. Series like Ashes, Border-Gavaskar Trophy etc. cannot be replaced.

The issue with ODI cricket is that it has been replaced by T20s. It has no identity anymore. It offers nothing different and unique from a fan perspective. It is just an extended, more boring version of T20s.

As a fan, why would you bother to watch a match for 8 hours when you can have the same entertainment in 3.5 hours?

It takes time to kill a format, but the end is near. Players, board, ex-players are all questioning the future of this format and it is not looking good. BCCI can make even more revenue by playing more T20Is or by extending the IPL.

ICC can also make more money by having a T20 Champions Trophy in addition to the T20 World Cup. The ODI format is no longer needed. It is there without any purpose.
 
Test cricket is here to stay. It is a unique format. It cannot be replaced. Also, the major boards like India, Australia and England take it very seriously and they wouldn’t want it to die out. Series like Ashes, Border-Gavaskar Trophy etc. cannot be replaced.

The issue with ODI cricket is that it has been replaced by T20s. It has no identity anymore. It offers nothing different and unique from a fan perspective. It is just an extended, more boring version of T20s.

As a fan, why would you bother to watch a match for 8 hours when you can have the same entertainment in 3.5 hours?

It takes time to kill a format, but the end is near. Players, board, ex-players are all questioning the future of this format and it is not looking good. BCCI can make even more revenue by playing more T20Is or by extending the IPL.

ICC can also make more money by having a T20 Champions Trophy in addition to the T20 World Cup. The ODI format is no longer needed. It is there without any purpose.

ODIs have their own identity but more often than not they are being made into a prolonged version of T20s. That is where the problem is. Steve Smith just hit a hundred and a 90 in ODIs and he doesn't find a place in T20 team. So it is a different skill. Kane Williamson, Babar Azam, Gerhard Erasmus (NAM) and many others are far better ODI players than T20 players. Same goes for many bowlers.

I don't know, ODIs may yet die out because the younger generation may not like it, but if that is the case then tests are not safe either, because here we are talking about investing time in finding entertainment. Younger generation want immediate entertainment with less investment of time, then tests are likely to die as well. Even from a revenue point of view, Tests require more money and generate less revenue. Teams like Zimbabwe, Afghanistan, Ireland are staying away from hosting tests because it is a loss making option for them, they are still OK with ODIs.

So we can't say, but all in all cricket is not the same anymore and is not likely to be the same either.
 
Personally speaking ICC needs to find a middle ground format between ODI and T20 cricket. No other popular sport that I can think off has three formats. Maybe consolidate it to T25 or T30.

I feel ODI is certainly too long now and T20 is still a format that is slightly too short and luck plays too much of a factor over skill.
 
Test cricket is here to stay. It is a unique format. It cannot be replaced. Also, the major boards like India, Australia and England take it very seriously and they wouldn’t want it to die out. Series like Ashes, Border-Gavaskar Trophy etc. cannot be replaced.

The issue with ODI cricket is that it has been replaced by T20s. It has no identity anymore. It offers nothing different and unique from a fan perspective. It is just an extended, more boring version of T20s.

As a fan, why would you bother to watch a match for 8 hours when you can have the same entertainment in 3.5 hours?

It takes time to kill a format, but the end is near. Players, board, ex-players are all questioning the future of this format and it is not looking good. BCCI can make even more revenue by playing more T20Is or by extending the IPL.

ICC can also make more money by having a T20 Champions Trophy in addition to the T20 World Cup. The ODI format is no longer needed. It is there without any purpose.

I don't think people have time to watch Tests either. Been the case for the last couple of decades. You just need to follow. Even way back in 2009 there were talks about declining ODI popularity. Come, the 2011 world cup, everything changed. India vs SL, 2011 final had 558 million viewers. A record to date for any format. We will see something similar to that in 2023. If Australia had played England in a t20 series you think the crowd would have been higher? Not necessarily. It would still be low. Crowds were low even during world T20 except for matches involving subcontinent teams.

https://www.austadiums.com/sport/cricket/results

It comes down to who plays the match and the significance of the match not necessarily format. India vs zimbabwe had more crowd than the world T20 final crowd. There is a general lack of interest among Australians this season. Probably poor scheduling. Should have been held in December. Also it coincides with world cup Soccer. Why would they watch this? Schools are still open.

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Cricket as a sport sees a decline in countries like the West Indies due to the popularity of other sports. Subcontinent teams have no other sports. They will continue watching. For instance, West Indies has a lot of good T20 players. As a team, they are very poor. How will we see them in action? Only through leagues. A collection of T20 stars taking part in League cricket. But we cannot say the same about international T20s. Most of the teams are not even complete T20 sides. Guys like Kane Williamson got dropped from leagues. But he will continue playing for his country. Bavuma South African T20 captain was not even picked for base price in the league. League crickets will trounce international T20s over a period.
 
ODI cricket is dying, there is no question about it. They had been crying about it for years. Test cricket is almost dead as well. They need to make ODI cricket interesting by bringing in fresh rules. My personal preference is for them to make it a bit more balanced so it doesn’t feel like you are watching an extended T20. They should have some standardizations around pitches conducive for bowlers, lesser field restrictions, and higher bowling quotas for top bowlers from each team. Basically anything that helps restore balance. Maybe split it up into two innings as well.

They need to try different things to keep it interesting for general public. If nothing else reduce it to 35 or 30 overs.

T20 ke baad waqai nobody wants to sit through a full 50 over game. It seems very painful.
 
No reason why they can’t do a 40 over format to take 1.5 hours out of the game.

In English domestic they used to have the Pro40 and that worked very well, lots of exciting matches.
 
Some posters suggesting here that ODI should be reduced to 40 overs. I do not think that would make much difference. 40 overs will still be longer than 20 over format.

If ICC wants to keep this format going on , they need to make radical changes , otherwise 2023 WC might be last 50 over WC.
 
Some posters suggesting here that ODI should be reduced to 40 overs. I do not think that would make much difference. 40 overs will still be longer than 20 over format.

If ICC wants to keep this format going on , they need to make radical changes , otherwise 2023 WC might be last 50 over WC.

Well it has to be different to 20 overs and noticeably longer, else no point in having it.
 
The other problem with ODIs is that no one goes in to bat for them and fight for the format.

The purists fight for test cricket (rightly so), and those same purists never were great fans of ODIs in the first place to care whether it survives.

The new age fans and the money makers will always fight for t20s, but aren’t bothered about ODIs.

Bilateral ODIs only got some interest because it was some fun before or after a gruelling test series but T20 provides that now.

Unless they add a new dimension to the format it will cease to exist. It’s a shame because winning the ODI World Cup is really the pinnacle of white ball cricket, but teams need to play bilaterals to keep the standard high and there’s zero demand for it
 
One day cricket has to go. Make T20 world cups every four years so it adds more value. Anyone with a semblance of a brain cell knows that the T20 format is the only way to take the game forward and make the game more global so there aren't only 5 competitive teams (Albeit, the ICC needs to stop wasting time with places like the US, China, UAE etc. where the teams are going to be entirely composed of Desi ex-pats).
 
This was what everyone talked about Test matches 20 years back. Test match is more popular than ever. One dayer is the only proper world cup format. Come the world cup all the perceptions will change. We have seen this routine before. For years we have been receiving suggestions like splitting one dayer into two innings and what not. But it is not going away. It is also a great ad revenue generating format for BCCI. It is not going anywhere.

League cricket will completely take over international T20 in the long run. It will be very difficult to slot international matches with more leagues coming up. IPL is getting ever popular. Infact t20 should be restricted to leagues.

Yeah Cricket basically has 3 seasons. During the ODI WC year, ODI will take priority. Once ODI WC is over, Test cricket takes priority. Then during T20 WC, T20 will take priority. I also think lack of Champions Trophy hurt ODI significance.

I do however think something like a T30 would be good balance for LOI and it will standardized LOI. You will still need accumulators like Babar, Steven Smith, Root, etc for that.
 
Some posters suggesting here that ODI should be reduced to 40 overs. I do not think that would make much difference. 40 overs will still be longer than 20 over format.

If ICC wants to keep this format going on , they need to make radical changes , otherwise 2023 WC might be last 50 over WC.

Agreed, if at 40 or 30 overs it’s just going to be an extended T20, it will still sink over time. There needs to be a bit more innovation around it.
 
Yeah Cricket basically has 3 seasons. During the ODI WC year, ODI will take priority. Once ODI WC is over, Test cricket takes priority. Then during T20 WC, T20 will take priority. I also think lack of Champions Trophy hurt ODI significance.

I do however think something like a T30 would be good balance for LOI and it will standardized LOI. You will still need accumulators like Babar, Steven Smith, Root, etc for that.

That actually would be somewhat similar to what I was thinking. But they won’t scrap T20.
 
T30 not a good idea. It will not be of much difference than a t20 game.
 
I grew up on all of the great ODI tournaments. The world series in aus, the Australiasia cups Sharjah cups. And then obviously the world cups.

What we need is a proper structure for ODIs and more tournament ODIs where very match matters. Actually how about I open a thread and we all discuss how-to change and make ODI's more relevant? Who is up for that discussion.?

Inmho we need to telook at the whole schedule of cricket in a year. I really believe we need to look at the T20 windows and the FTP again. Cricket needs a full on restructure. The big three issue really did some damage inmho.

The biggest challenge is how do you squeeze in ODI cricket in between all the T20 leagues? Do we create an international ODI league.? I mean I have no idea. I would love to see more ODI tournaments.
 
I grew up on all of the great ODI tournaments. The world series in aus, the Australiasia cups Sharjah cups. And then obviously the world cups.

What we need is a proper structure for ODIs and more tournament ODIs where very match matters. Actually how about I open a thread and we all discuss how-to change and make ODI's more relevant? Who is up for that discussion.?

Inmho we need to telook at the whole schedule of cricket in a year. I really believe we need to look at the T20 windows and the FTP again. Cricket needs a full on restructure. The big three issue really did some damage inmho.

The biggest challenge is how do you squeeze in ODI cricket in between all the T20 leagues? Do we create an international ODI league.? I mean I have no idea. I would love to see more ODI tournaments.

Good idea
 
While I will continue to love ODI cricket and I'm pretty sure it will last for quite some time, these discussions remind me of my EA Sports Cricket 07 playing days 😂, I always played T20s Or Tests, ODIs never, not once. That time T20s were not that popular but on EA Cricket 07, I thought it is such an entertaining format.

Guess that's the way it has gone with the masses eventually 😁
 
Australia great Glenn McGrath believes the sight of a near-deserted Melbourne Cricket Ground during England’s recent ODI series raises alarm bells for the future of the format.

Little more than 4,000 fans trickled into the vast MCG for the last of three 50-over matches between the old rivals, leaving huge swathes of the venue completely empty.

Just nine days earlier over 80,000 attended England’s T20 World Cup win over Pakistan at the same stadium, leaving players, fans and pundits united in their criticism of the scheduling.

But McGrath, a three-time World Cup winner in ODI cricket, believes the problem runs deeper than one poorly planned series and feels serious thought has to be applied to avoid the format being squeezed out of the calendar permanently.

“It was so disappointing to see crowds like that, ODIs are really under the pump at the moment,” he told the PA news agency from his Queensland home.

“Melbourne is classed as the sporting capital of Australia, if not the world, they absolutely love their sport. So for them to turn out in the numbers they did speaks volumes about where we’re at.

“The powers that be really have to watch that they don’t put games on just for the sake of it, games that don’t count for anything. The international schedule is tough enough. I think they have to respect every series and every game, it has to mean something.

“We’ve got to protect the game. T20 cricket is always growing, it’s fast, quick and exciting and Test cricket really is the ultimate. I think those two formats will stand the test of time.

“I do hope ODI cricket carries on, I’ve got a lot of great memories of it and I would still put the ODI World Cup as more important than the T20. But the format is under the pump and we need to look at how we keep people coming to these games.”

McGrath is heading back to England next spring for a theatre tour with Test Match Special commentary partner Jonathan Agnew, paving the way for a big Ashes summer in 2023.

The 52-year-old routinely predicts 5-0 Australia wins but, while they came close to a whitewash Down Under last winter, he expects a much more competitive England side after a major overhaul under Brendon McCullum.

“I love coming to the UK, it’s always amazing how many English people come to me and say ‘I used to hate you with a passion when you played, but now you’re retired you’re OK’,” he said.

“I take that as a compliment. There’s a bit of mutual respect and fun there. I’m not sure what happened in the last Ashes but it wasn’t good. England didn’t even show up.

“But this time will be different. With Baz McCullum on board, Ben Stokes as captain and Joe Root being allowed to just go and play, they are a lot more positive.

“They back themselves really well and when it comes off it’s amazing. I think Australia could even take a leaf out of their book and just go out there backing themselves.”

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/glenn-mcgrath-concerned-over-odi-122441288.html
 
As much as these former cricketers keep saying that Tests are the untimate format and all that, truth is that there is nothing being done to keep it alive outside of the Big 3.

There are 3 nations that are 'Test Playing' only in name - Zimbabwe, Ireland and Afghanistan. No one wants to play them and they don't want to play against each other.

Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies, Bangladesh, New Zealand are all limiting themselves to 2 match test series. Pak, WI have been heavyweights in test cricket with great history behind them but it is sad to see that they mostly play a 2 match series now, that too because of WTC.

The Big 3 and to an extent South Africa play good amount of tests.

As much as these people say tests is important, reality is that it is becoming more and more difficult for Cricket boards to make profit from playing tests and most of them just want to limit it to bare minimum.

In future ODIs will become the new 'longer format' and T20s the new 'Shorter format' Tests will be dead, they are already partially dead.

Sad and I would love to see more tests but this is the reality.
 
Nowadays it's just impossible to watch 100 overs of straight cricket there is alot more going on in life compared to thr 90's and even then most people watched the 1st 10 overs and last 10 overs of a 50 over innings unless it was a big game. The middle 30 overs were just a drag. the man who came up with t20 is a genius
 
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