Onus is on the number one ranked Australian team to beat Pakistan in Pakistan

[Savak]

Surprised that the press, media, fans, ex players are attacking the PCB, Pakistani team for the wickets.

I saw that the likes of Hazelwood, Starc, Cummins, Lyon and co should prove themselves on these Pakistani wickets and get 20 wickets on these tracks. There is life beyond Australian Wickets and pitches as well.

If you are the number one side in the world, then prove it by bowling out Pakistan twice on these wickets.

 

[MenInG]

Ok

So no responsibility on Pakistan to try and win a game?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Surprised that the press, media, fans, ex players are attacking the PCB, Pakistani team for the wickets.

I saw that the likes of Hazelwood, Starc, Cummins, Lyon and co should prove themselves on these Pakistani wickets and get 20 wickets on these tracks. There is life beyond Australian Wickets and pitches as well.

If you are the number one side in the world, then prove it by bowling out Pakistan twice on these wickets.

You can only put the onus on the other team if

1. You believe your team isnt good enough to beat the other team in home conditions.

2. You give them various tracks and they fail to beat you despite being a well rounded team.


If you prepare flat roads and put the onus on the oppositon to still win, the mirror is quite revealing at the end of the day.

 

[PakPremi]

This is what I also claimed in the other thread.
Australia is no 1 Test team and Pakistan no 6, so onus is actually on Australia to win the test. The pitch today offered no home advantage to Pakistani bowlers, and Babar had to stem flow of runs and not let Australia run away with the game in one day.
Of course Pakistan should try to win the game but with the tactics that suit their strengths by playing smart cricket rather than letting oppositions dictate terms and allowing them to control the match

 

[Gilly]

Pakistan had the chance to win 36 test championship points in this series, so far they have gifted 4 points to Australia and missed out on 8 points themselves.

All Australia has to do is keep drawing these matches and picking up valuable points whilst Pak shoot themselves in the foot by missing out on home wins to gain maximum points.

 

[Walawalkar]

What a terrible thread..so What Pakistan is playing for...Do you consider drawn series against Australia at home on these dead pitches will be big achievement for Pakistan

 

[Sarwar89]

Recently i have been regular in many threads, after deep analysis i have come up with these conclusions.

People will always criticize, no matter what is state of game, quality of players and over all conditions, selections.

If Aus had scored 330/4 on day 1. I can definitely tell you many threads would have been, Babar is a clueless captain, he has given inititiave on day 1. He can not know how to control the flow of runs and rotate bowlers etc etc.

Since Aus finished 250 odd for 1. So criticism is slightly manufactured and over the top. He is negative minded captain, he is playing anti cricket.

Me being a deep student of Pakistan’s Test cricket history at times just smile looking at the comments. Do they even know in how many drawn tests Imran khan was involved in Pakistan soil ?

1989 India tour of Pakistan. We had bowling machine of Waqar Aqib Qadir Imran wasim and yet all 4 matches were drawn on dead pitches.

Only a year earlier in winter of 88, Australia drew 2 tests in pakistan and we narrowly won series 1-0. We again drew 2 home tests in 1994 and narrowly won 1-0 v Aussies.

South africa and Australia drew 2 tests in pakistan and won 1 test each in 1997/98 which were 1-0 series wins. Same with pakistan doing it on india at home 1-0 after 2 tests drawn. Back in the entire era of 1960’s we had highest percentage of draws. Our Test cricket DNA has always been like this and we did v well from 1951/52-1995 at home.

I hope saqlain keeps the boys away from
Social
Media. Trust in babar he is doing right and we should support him.

 

[Rana]

Pakistan can’t produce rank turners because Babar himself is terrible against spin

This is the God honest truth

 

[Buffet]

Correct.

Pakistan should be delighted to not lose the home test series.

 

[dildilpak]

Doctoring pitches, bowling negative lines - is this how Pakistan prides itself on playing cricket? A team comes to visit you after 24 years & this is how you repay goodwill - by not providing a fair play environment ? Pakistan might even win the series by playing this sort of negative game - but this is not cricket & will ruin their reputation amongst visiting teams.

 

[Sarwar89]

Doctoring pitches, bowling negative lines - is this how Pakistan prides itself on playing cricket? A team comes to visit you after 24 years & this is how you repay goodwill - by not providing a fair play? Pakistan might even win the series by playing this sort of negative game - but this is not cricket & will ruin their reputation amongst visiting teams.

And New zealand providing green mambas doctored pitches in tests at home
Or Indian pitches which turn square on day 1

No wonder both above mentioned countries played in WTC Final.

End result matters. Lets not try to be Brazilian pele’s team of 1970. We know our team limits very well.

 

[dildilpak]

And New zealand providing green mambas doctored pitches in tests at home
Or Indian pitches which turn square on day 1

No wonder both above mentioned countries played in WTC Final.

End result matters. Lets not try to be Brazilian pele’s team of 1970. We know our team limits very well.

Pitches which turn square or green mambas affect both teams equally & enforces result. Deliberate dead pitches does neither - this is done solely with a fatalistic attitude of not losing. And negative bowling on first day of a test - has that happened anywhere before?

 

[dildilpak]

And New zealand providing green mambas doctored pitches in tests at home
Or Indian pitches which turn square on day 1

No wonder both above mentioned countries played in WTC Final.

End result matters. Lets not try to be Brazilian pele’s team of 1970. We know our team limits very well.

And maybe if you know your team limits well & hence resort to negative tactics, you should probably not be inviting other teams to play.

 

[Shazzam]

For Australia a draw in Asian conditions would be considered a win. Them drawing a series in Pakistan only benefits them where as it shows Pakistan cannot win at home against Australia.

 

[wrongun]

Surprised that the press, media, fans, ex players are attacking the PCB, Pakistani team for the wickets.

I saw that the likes of Hazelwood, Starc, Cummins, Lyon and co should prove themselves on these Pakistani wickets and get 20 wickets on these tracks. There is life beyond Australian Wickets and pitches as well.

If you are the number one side in the world, then prove it by bowling out Pakistan twice on these wickets.

Mate, 2 proper edges found by the skill of your opening bowlers fell so far short of the slips they bought in a "silly 2nd slip" after 20 minutes play. That's handicapping your own bowlers as well as ours.


There ARE plenty of ways to prepare a decent pitch for cricket. And turners and dry pitches are absolutely part of cricket equal to any other. But when your own captain has resorting to bowling a metre outside leg for entire sessions because they see no other way to take a wicket- then it just doesn't look like a pitch where any bowler has a chance.

Australia haven't played away from home in 2 years, and are regularly trounced by India. Our main spinner averages 30+ in non minnow Asian countries and is supported by 2 rookies who average 35 even in domestic FC.

Pakistan had the chance to spring an ambush here & beat Oz. But instead you think featherbed pitches where runouts are a main source of wickets is some sort of moral victory? Ok. Congratulations.

But it's been dull to watch and I'd rather watch a team play well, try to win & beat Oz in their own conditions than just dead, lifeless bowling a metre outside leg session after session on Day 1 of a match.

 

[sweep_shot]

The thing is, Australia are not undisputed #1.

Gap between #2 and #1 is very little. Matter of 3 points.

Even #3 (New Zealand) is not very far from #1 position.

Pakistan are favorites in Pakistan. Not Australia.

 

[leonidas_alexandar]

If we concede the talking point about onus - then it certainly is incumbent on Pakistan to beat Australia in their home turf.

Australia ruthlessly annihilates Pakistan every single time Pakistan tour Australia. The last time Pakistan won a test match in Australia - half the posters here were probably not born or were in their diapers.

So let's not get into this. The onus is on both sides - and it is actually the home side - in this case Pakistan which needs to ensure that they win at home which is what is expected of any decent home side. There's also the small matter of garnering important WTC points - since only the top two teams qualify for the finals.

 

[moghul]

Surprised that the press, media, fans, ex players are attacking the PCB, Pakistani team for the wickets.

I saw that the likes of Hazelwood, Starc, Cummins, Lyon and co should prove themselves on these Pakistani wickets and get 20 wickets on these tracks. There is life beyond Australian Wickets and pitches as well.

If you are the number one side in the world, then prove it by bowling out Pakistan twice on these wickets.

After reading your post looks like not only standard of Pakistan cricket has deteriorated over the years but standard of the cricket followers and their expectation from their team also has hit rock bottom .

 

[GenericBrand]

The excuses are getting more and more desperate.

 

[MP2011]

If we concede the talking point about onus - then it certainly is incumbent on Pakistan to beat Australia in their home turf.

Australia ruthlessly annihilates Pakistan every single time Pakistan tour Australia. The last time Pakistan won a test match in Australia - half the posters here were probably not born or were in their diapers.

So let's not get into this. The onus is on both sides - and it is actually the home side - in this case Pakistan which needs to ensure that they win at home which is what is expected of any decent home side. There's also the small matter of garnering important WTC points - since only the top two teams qualify for the finals.

This.

Onus is on Pakistan instead to prove like Australia has been thrashing them brutally at home for close to 3 decades, they can at least beat Australia on their home turf.

 

[boomboomcheema]

What a minnow mentality. Australia thrash Pakistan at home but Pakistan are content with Draw and not losing .

 

[Varun]

The UAE is much better than this.

 

[subbu]

The thing is, Australia are not undisputed #1.

Gap between #2 and #1 is very little. Matter of 3 points.

Even #3 (New Zealand) is not very far from #1 position.

Pakistan are favorites in Pakistan. Not Australia.

Australia haven't won a series in sub continent in more than a decade... Even in Bangladesh they drew series

 

[SpiritOf1903]

An Asian team at home ?. Nope.

 

[Gilly]

Surprised that the press, media, fans, ex players are attacking the PCB, Pakistani team for the wickets.

I saw that the likes of Hazelwood, Starc, Cummins, Lyon and co should prove themselves on these Pakistani wickets and get 20 wickets on these tracks. There is life beyond Australian Wickets and pitches as well.

If you are the number one side in the world, then prove it by bowling out Pakistan twice on these wickets.

Cummins: Challenge accepted.

 

[Savak]

Cummins: Challenge accepted.

No doubt. Credit to Australia. They learnt from the first test and have improved with the ball in the second test. Sign of a quality team

 

[Buffet]

Surprised that the press, media, fans, ex players are attacking the PCB, Pakistani team for the wickets.

I saw that the likes of Hazelwood, Starc, Cummins, Lyon and co should prove themselves on these Pakistani wickets and get 20 wickets on these tracks. There is life beyond Australian Wickets and pitches as well.

If you are the number one side in the world, then prove it by bowling out Pakistan twice on these wickets.

The Pakistani team had the same attitude and that's the main reason on backfoot here.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]