"Our default position is that Pakistan will play ALL its home matches in Pakistan" : Ehsan Mani

[Abdullah719]

"Our default position is that Pakistan will play ALL its home matches in Pakistan" : Ehsan Mani

Rawalpindi: Pakistan will no longer look for neutral venues to stage home international cricket matches.

"The onus will be on the other teams to tell us why they can't play in Pakistan," Pakistan Cricket Board chairman Ehsan Mani told the Associated Press on Tuesday.

"Our default position will remain that Pakistan is safe. We play cricket in Pakistan (and if) you want to play against Pakistan you have to come to Pakistan."

Pakistan's decade-long isolation from hosting test cricket ends on Wednesday when Sri Lanka will play at Pindi Cricket Stadium. The second test will be in Karachi from Dec. 19-23. The series is part of the world test championship.

Sri Lanka was the last team to play a test in Pakistan in 2009. Terrorists attacked the team's bus in Lahore and eight people were killed. Several Sri Lanka players and team officials were injured. The ambush shut the door on international cricket in Pakistan.

The PCB organized almost all of its home matches in the United Arab Emirates.

In the last four years, the PCB staged short limited-overs tours against the likes of Zimbabwe, the West Indies, Sri Lanka and a World XI to show the cricket world it could host tours safely.

Sri Lanka agreed to play two test matches in Pakistan only after it visited Karachi and Lahore three months ago and played an incident-free series of one-day internationals and Twenty20s.

"It's only logical that cricket comes home," Mani said.

"People have a perception of Pakistan which is very, very different to the reality of what is happening on the ground in Pakistan today.

"The concerns that people had about Pakistan, certainly for the last year or two, were not what the ground reality is."

Top cricketing officials from Australia, England, Ireland, and the international players' association have visited Pakistan in the last six months.

"When they see the ground reality, it's a different attitude," Mani said.

"In fact, it was very nicely put by the chief executive of Cricket Ireland. He said, "I have to think of a reason why we shouldn't be coming to Pakistan.'"

Mani said he's had discussions with officials from Cricket Australia and England and Wales Cricket Board and he hoped that both countries will tour Pakistan in the next three years.

"I am absolutely confident that in 2021 we'll have England and in 2022 we'll have Australia," he said.

"We're not due to play New Zealand now till about 2023-24, but our default position is that Pakistan will play all its home matches in Pakistan."

Despite the impending return of test cricket, Mani conceded there might not be a capacity crowd for the test, in stark contrast to the packed stadiums in Lahore in October when Sri Lanka whitewashed Pakistan 3-0 in the T20 series.

"Look, test cricket had been losing (crowd) support in the subcontinent, in fact around the world apart from England and Australia," he said.

"People prefer to go and watch the white-ball cricket (T20s and ODIs) but it doesn't mean that people don't follow test cricket. You'll probably find that people watch test cricket at home on television and through the telephone or whatever these days as much as they've ever done.

"We haven't had much time to do the marketing for this (Rawalpindi test) but going forward we're going to be working very hard to ensure that we can get young people in with the schools and college students, support them to come at little or no cost, give them exposure to cricket."

http://www.asianage.com/sports/cric...-international-cricket-at-neutral-venues.html

 

[Abdullah719]

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[KingT]

Perception doesn't change the reality.
Pakistan is safe for cricket and that's the truth whether you like it or not.
There's absolutely no reason for any team to not tour Pakistan

 

[emranabbas]

With this attitude we will be playing west indies, Zimbabwe, Nepal etc..

India, Bangladesh and Afghanistan won't be visiting

England, Australia and South Africa won't be interested

 

[KingT]

With this attitude we will be playing west indies, Zimbabwe, Nepal etc..

India, Bangladesh and Afghanistan won't be visiting

England, Australia and South Africa won't be interested

What attitude are you on about?
If they don't want to play then they won't.
But that doesn't mean we force ourselves to play in the UAE when our own country is safe enough to host a test match

 

[Abdullah719]

With this attitude we will be playing west indies, Zimbabwe, Nepal etc..

India, Bangladesh and Afghanistan won't be visiting

England, Australia and South Africa won't be interested

Series against England, Australia etc. are already part of the FTP. Mani means that Pakistan will do their utmost to make sure these series will be played in Pakistan. They can't simply be cancelled.

 

[warcry]

no cricket is preferable to cricket in the uae.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Once the full psl is held a lot of these countries wont have many excuses not to tour.

 

[octavian]

no cricket is preferable to cricket in the uae.

Nope. I'd rather take no cricket. Thanks.

 

[KingT]

Nope. I'd rather take no cricket. Thanks.

That's what he said lol

 

[Shazzam]

Hopefully other countries agree to tour us.

 

[khan_aa]

So if the countries don’t tour, will they forfeit?

 

[Vastunna]

Good Luck with making Aus, Eng, SA tour Pakistan. Is Mr. Mani saying they will not play those teams if they are not willing to come play in Pakistan ??

 

[sjahmed23]

Good Luck with making Aus, Eng, SA tour Pakistan. Is Mr. Mani saying they will not play those teams if they are not willing to come play in Pakistan ??

They will eventually come. I know it hurts Indians seeing Pakistan making progress.

 

[m.shah]

Good Luck with making Aus, Eng, SA tour Pakistan. Is Mr. Mani saying they will not play those teams if they are not willing to come play in Pakistan ??

The negativity in your post though..

 

[Vastunna]

They will eventually come. I know it hurts Indians seeing Pakistan making progress.

Please be realistic. Did Aus come before this exile ?? Najam Sethi is just giving statements for domestic consumption.

 

[Vastunna]

The negativity in your post though..

If realistic thinking is negativity, then so be it.

 

[Shazzam]

If realistic thinking is negativity, then so be it.

Realistically if India never had money no country would tour it.

 

[KingT]

If realistic thinking is negativity, then so be it.

Realistic lol

SA are most likely than not going to tour Pakistan for 3 T20is in March

 

[Vastunna]

Realistically if India never had money no country would tour it.

Most definitely yes. I have no issues accepting that Aus and Eng are frequenting India only because of money. What is there to not accept that ??

 

[Markhor]

It would help if you properly marketed some of these series too.

 

[JibranAnsari]

IMO , Pakistan should get rid of this ' only play home series in pakistan' mantra. Pakistan need to play cricket , whether its played in uae deserts or in pakistan. Pakistan need to play more test cricket , I would rathar play six test matches in UAE every year than negotiating a couple in pakistan against zimbabwe or sri lanka. Play more cricket and become a better team.

 

[Boi]

IMO , Pakistan should get rid of this ' only play home series in pakistan' mantra. Pakistan need to play cricket , whether its played in uae deserts or in pakistan. Pakistan need to play more test cricket , I would rathar play six test matches in UAE every year than negotiating a couple in pakistan against zimbabwe or sri lanka. Play more cricket and become a better team.

Cricket in UAE is dreadful. Playing out there is never going to improve our team no matter how many Tests we play.

Pakistan cricket needs money. The only way it can generate money is the return of cricket home so that we can invest in our grassroots cricket and academies. Forking out millions to hire stadiums out in the UAE is not sustainable.

 

[Slim]

I really find Mani's attitude to be pathetic and petty when he says certainly in the "last year or two". Oh bhai, Pakistan's situation improved after Zarb e Azab which happened not year or two ago but couple of years ago.

Political point scoring sai yeh loag baaz nahi atay. Besharam.

 

[Abdullah719]

I really find Mani's attitude to be pathetic and petty when he says certainly in the "last year or two". Oh bhai, Pakistan's situation improved after Zarb e Azab which happened not year or two ago but couple of years ago.

Political point scoring sai yeh loag baaz nahi atay. Besharam.

Meanwhile, Najam Sethi claimed credit for this SL tour a couple of days ago.

 

[Saj]

I hope PCB stick by this and don't do a flip-flop.

They need to stand their ground, enough is enough.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Cricket in UAE is dreadful. Playing out there is never going to improve our team no matter how many Tests we play.

Pakistan cricket needs money. The only way it can generate money is the return of cricket home so that we can invest in our grassroots cricket and academies. Forking out millions to hire stadiums out in the UAE is not sustainable.

no team is hot on playing cricket in pakistan , not playing in uae will probably means empty periods of no cricket at all for pakistan. I want to watch cricket , whether its played in afghanistan , burma or in the anttarctuca.

 

[KingT]

no team is hot on playing cricket in pakistan , not playing in uae will probably means empty periods of no cricket at all for pakistan. I want to watch cricket , whether its played in afghanistan , burma or in the anttarctuca.

That's not how it works.
The FTP have been made already so if a team doesn't want to tour Pakistan, pakistan will be forced to play in the UAE

 

[Titan24]

That's not how it works.
The FTP have been made already so if a team doesn't want to tour Pakistan, pakistan will be forced to play in the UAE

Nobody can force Pakistan to play in UAE as its an arrangement by PCB and not provided by ICC.

Its PCB's right to invite teams to Pakistan and its the right of other teams to refuse but that refusal should put points of test championship towards Pakistan as Pak cant do anything about them not touring. It would be interesting what will ICC do if PCB says its not feasible to hold series in UAE as now test championship points are also there to play for.

 

[ahsan17]

I hope PCB stick by this and don't do a flip-flop.

They need to stand their ground, enough is enough.

Agreed. A lot of cricket boards are still stuck in 2009, and so much has changed in 10 years. Just in terms of safety and terrorism, the number of fatalities due to terrorism are now down about 95% from 2009. Pakistan is literally safer than the times these teams were frequently visiting Pakistan. PCB really needs to drive this home and effectively refuse to play in the UAE.

 

[the Great Khan]

This is the right decision. And England will come. The current geopolitical situation means they will. I know a lot of Indians are burning at the sight of cricket coming back but deal with it.

Mani is right to put the onus back on the refusing team.

 

[Babbar]

Why link the question of other countries visitingPakistan with Indians burning or chilling? This just shows that it’s a decision meant to burn Indians, not really rooted in reality.

ICC is not a dictator organisation that can enforce its decision on member countries unless a majority, especially the two out of three big three, agree. If Pakistan demands teams to visit but ENG and AUS refuse (forget India), CC will request Pakistan to play outside its land. If Pakistan does not agree to host its matches in UAE or anywhere outside, A) ICC can split the points, B) give all points to Pakistan, C) give all points to the worries touring country or D) simply cancel the world series and let test matches be simply bilateral as before. No test playing country, except may be Sri Lanka will probably support Pakistan in ICC on this topic.

However from PCB perspective, this is the right move. PCB has no other option but force others hands.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

So if the countries don’t tour, will they forfeit?

Yes that's the rule according to ICC

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Good Luck with making Aus, Eng, SA tour Pakistan. Is Mr. Mani saying they will not play those teams if they are not willing to come play in Pakistan ??

Gradually they will come

SA will your next year iA for T20s

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Correct decision if teams refuse to your Pakistan they should lose points PCB has a huge advantage because of the WTC either you your Pakistan or lose points...simple

Because

1. PCB is providing them with security
2.Other teams have toured so their issues are illogical (Although India is a different kettle of fish they have more security issues and rightfully so because of the complex relations between the two countries.)

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nobody can force Pakistan to play in UAE as its an arrangement by PCB and not provided by ICC.

Its PCB's right to invite teams to Pakistan and its the right of other teams to refuse but that refusal should put points of test championship towards Pakistan as Pak cant do anything about them not touring. It would be interesting what will ICC do if PCB says its not feasible to hold series in UAE as now test championship points are also there to play for.

ICC cannot do anything if most teams refuse to tour pakistan. If one or two teams refuse the ICC may try to convince them.

At the end of the day, its PCBs job to convince the players and teams.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Correct decision if teams refuse to your Pakistan they should lose points PCB has a huge advantage because of the WTC either you your Pakistan or lose points...simple

Because

1. PCB is providing them with security
2.Other teams have toured so their issues are illogical (Although India is a different kettle of fish they have more security issues and rightfully so because of the complex relations between the two countries.)

The ICC will decide if teams will lose points or not. As i said, if majority of teams refuse to tour pakistan then ICC cannot do anything. Any proposal to dock points will be shot down at the executive board through voting.

Secondly even if ICC docks points of the teams for not touring pakistan, when the next FTP test xycle begins in 2021, boards may not sign bilateral tour agreements with PCB, unless PCB agrees to a neutral venue. All tours are negotiated and agreed and signed between boards, not ICC.

So threats and coercion may not work for pcb.what they can do is try and convince as many boards as they can. Once majority of boards visit pakistan, rest will follow.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes that's the rule according to ICC

No they wont. Thats your presumption.

ICC will decide if points are to be forfeited or not. Presently majority of ICC members dont tour pakistan and hence any proposal to dock points will not pass the voting.

 

[Mesozoic]

As much as I want int'l Cricket to return to Pakistan and things to get normal like the 2000s where we saw India and Pak touring each other frequently, I don't think the equation is as simple as it is made out to be here.

India touring Pakistan (or even vice versa) seems extremely unlikely for the foreseeable future. Chances of Australia and England touring are very very slim too. So, there goes the"Big 3" out of the window.

So, if Pakistan gets a home series in the FTP against Aus and Eng in the next WTC cycle , most likely it'll be held at a neutral venue (*cough* UAE). It'll be a tremendous achievement for this PCB setup if they manage to get Saffers and Kiwis aboard. Ban,WI and SL are already there , so no worries there.

 

[whetstone]

Nobody can force Pakistan to play in UAE as its an arrangement by PCB and not provided by ICC.

Its PCB's right to invite teams to Pakistan and its the right of other teams to refuse but that refusal should put points of test championship towards Pakistan as Pak cant do anything about them not touring. It would be interesting what will ICC do if PCB says its not feasible to hold series in UAE as now test championship points are also there to play for.

Using your own logic .. PCB cannot force any team to play in pak if they dont want to ..... so its mutually agreed between the boards ... the ICC will decide what the majority of the boards agree to ..... doubt any board will agree for points to be forfeited when they agree to a neutral venue .... pak unfortunately is not yet at a point to unilaterally say neutral venues are out of the equation ( though thats the stand they seem to have taken , prematurely in my opinion).... lets see where it leads

 

[Titan24]

Using your own logic .. PCB cannot force any team to play in pak if they dont want to ..... so its mutually agreed between the boards ... the ICC will decide what the majority of the boards agree to ..... doubt any board will agree for points to be forfeited when they agree to a neutral venue .... pak unfortunately is not yet at a point to unilaterally say neutral venues are out of the equation ( though thats the stand they seem to have taken , prematurely in my opinion).... lets see where it leads

I already said its other team’s right to tour or not if you read the complete post.

So if UAE isnt feasible for Pak, what will ICC do? As it isnt Pak’s fault if a team refuses to tour, so will the ICC be providing the venue for Pakistan in test championship? If not how will the points probably be decided considering an opposition team not touring isnt Pak’s fault?

 

[Titan24]

ICC cannot do anything if most teams refuse to tour pakistan. If one or two teams refuse the ICC may try to convince them.

At the end of the day, its PCBs job to convince the players and teams.

But if a team or two doesn’t tour its not Pak fault as well so how will the points be decided? UAE was an initiative by PCB and not provided by ICC so if its not feasible for PCB anymore what will ICC do? Surely you cant take away the points from Pak just because a team isnt touring. Considering test championship points are to play for ICC will need to sort out what they are gonna do.

 

[ZamanFan]

Was not able to watch the whole match but the start of proceedings and when national anthem was played, it was an incredible moment and heartburn for our enemies. After a long waitPakistan has witnessed test maych on their soil. Crowd or no crowd Pakistan has suffered enough by devoiding its own public to watch cricket being played at home instead played on terrible neutral venues which has regressed their game.

Mani has been disaster for the national team but I support his stance on this issue. Teams refusing on basis of security is no more the reason now.
We can no longer afford to play our games outside even the public interest is fading away from cricket. Neutral venue should not be the option anymore.
Planning should be done in advance and if need be cancel nocs to players who are invited by those boards for their circus leagues.

 

[cricketjoshila]

But if a team or two doesn’t tour its not Pak fault as well so how will the points be decided? UAE was an initiative by PCB and not provided by ICC so if its not feasible for PCB anymore what will ICC do? Surely you cant take away the points from Pak just because a team isnt touring. Considering test championship points are to play for ICC will need to sort out what they are gonna do.

UAE was chosen because teams refused to go to Pakistan as a cricket team was attacked there. Its not that pcb had any other option.

Well if one or two teams dont tour thats different.

But if 8 out of 12 teams dont tour than ICC will ask pcb to find a neutral venue. And if the worse comes to pass, then the series will stand cancelled with no points to any team. How many such cancellations will PCB take?

Also ICC is within its rights to ask pcb to hold the matches at a neutral venue.

 

[Titan24]

UAE was chosen because teams refused to go to Pakistan as a cricket team was attacked there. Its not that pcb had any other option.

Well if one or two teams dont tour thats different.

But if 8 out of 12 teams dont tour than ICC will ask pcb to find a neutral venue. And if the worse comes to pass, then the series will stand cancelled with no points to any team. How many such cancellations will PCB take?

Also ICC is within its rights to ask pcb to hold the matches at a neutral venue.

Series standing cancelled would mean points being gone in thin air for not only Pakistan but the opposition as well because every series and number of series are set up in a way that every team gets equal amount of points and thus oppurtunities to play for.

Can ICC afford this many cancellations in test championship?

ICC cant force any board to find a neutral venue, its the prerogative of the board itself as not every board can afford the high cost low revenue of neutral venues.

Considering the test championship have been put in place ICC will need to be more proactive about this issue as previously with bilateral series it was only the issue for the hosting board however no it impacts the test championship as well to an extent.

 

[the Great Khan]

Was not able to watch the whole match but the start of proceedings and when national anthem was played, it was an incredible moment and heartburn for our enemies. After a long waitPakistan has witnessed test maych on their soil. Crowd or no crowd Pakistan has suffered enough by devoiding its own public to watch cricket being played at home instead played on terrible neutral venues which has regressed their game.

Mani has been disaster for the national team but I support his stance on this issue. Teams refusing on basis of security is no more the reason now.
We can no longer afford to play our games outside even the public interest is fading away from cricket. Neutral venue should not be the option anymore.
Planning should be done in advance and if need be cancel nocs to players who are invited by those boards for their circus leagues.

I actually get tired of flippant statements like "mani has been a disaster for the team"..he's a genius compared to our previous heads..

this team has broaught back cricket to pakistan
has brought back the PSL to pakistan with int players and coaches
have initiated discussions with other boards to revive our A and age group cricket
they are reorganising our whole cricket structure

and thats just some of the things they are doing. Statements like the above are made without any substance whatsoever. back them up or dont make them

 

[octavian]

UAE was chosen because teams refused to go to Pakistan as a cricket team was attacked there. Its not that pcb had any other option.

Well if one or two teams dont tour thats different.

But if 8 out of 12 teams dont tour than ICC will ask pcb to find a neutral venue. And if the worse comes to pass, then the series will stand cancelled with no points to any team. How many such cancellations will PCB take?

Also ICC is within its rights to ask pcb to hold the matches at a neutral venue.

No its not. Not without a substantial reason.

ICC's job it to promote cricket in its member countries. If any country - Pakistan or not - is being isolated without a substantial reason then it has to act.

Security used to be an issue in Pakistan, not anymore. Our Indian friends need to accept that reality.

 

[ZamanFan]

I actually get tired of flippant statements like "mani has been a disaster for the team"..he's a genius compared to our previous heads..

this team has broaught back cricket to pakistan
has brought back the PSL to pakistan with int players and coaches
have initiated discussions with other boards to revive our A and age group cricket
they are reorganising our whole cricket structure

and thats just some of the things they are doing. Statements like the above are made without any substance whatsoever. back them up or dont make them

Having to layoff and destroy livelihood of 200+ first class cricketers is work of a genius.

Bringing in characters like Wasim Khan and Misbah ul Haq [with zero experience as coach or seletor] is also masterstroke of a genius.

The way he antagonistically squeezed and pressurized Sarfaraz through out his tenure and then the way he tried to replace is also infront of everyone.

Having to destroy so many lives for setting up a domestic system. inter-school and club level system has not been operationalized. Departmental cricket was the only avenue from where cricket in Pakistan was being sustained. Today we are on the verge of cricket going the hockey route where they'll be paying people to play cricket and organize open trials but won't find a single player.

 

[lifecric7]

Mani is dreaming if he thinks he can arm twist countries to play when they don’t feel safe

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Having to layoff and destroy livelihood of 200+ first class cricketers is work of a genius.

Bringing in characters like Wasim Khan and Misbah ul Haq [with zero experience as coach or seletor] is also masterstroke of a genius.

The way he antagonistically squeezed and pressurized Sarfaraz through out his tenure and then the way he tried to replace is also infront of everyone.

Having to destroy so many lives for setting up a domestic system. inter-school and club level system has not been operationalized. Departmental cricket was the only avenue from where cricket in Pakistan was being sustained. Today we are on the verge of cricket going the hockey route where they'll be paying people to play cricket and organize open trials but won't find a single player.

The system was bloated and full of journeymen looking for a pay.

Time to look for another job. No sympathy.

 

[octavian]

Mani is dreaming if he thinks he can arm twist countries to play when they don’t feel safe

The level of insecurity is unreal.

Mani never threatened or arm twisted or coerced anybody.

All he has said that situation in Pakistan has changed. We will play our cricket at home. That's all.

If PCB doesn't effectively communicate it's stance to other boards who will?

 

[ZamanFan]

The system was bloated and full of journeymen looking for a pay.

Time to look for another job. No sympathy.

Whom you are running your systemon, cricketers, were bloating the setup what bout those in the PCB still taking pay for no reason.

Those who bloated the system like Subhan Ahmed and other sharks in PCB have made merry and gone away with huge salary packages.

PCB did'nt provide or directly pay those cricketers it has devastated. Neither it used its funds on them. They were supported and encouraged by different companies which hired them.

Making stupid excuses without knowing the whole situation and when they'll not find a prospect will be blaming the system again.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Series standing cancelled would mean points being gone in thin air for not only Pakistan but the opposition as well because every series and number of series are set up in a way that every team gets equal amount of points and thus oppurtunities to play for.

Can ICC afford this many cancellations in test championship?

ICC cant force any board to find a neutral venue, its the prerogative of the board itself as not every board can afford the high cost low revenue of neutral venues.

Considering the test championship have been put in place ICC will need to be more proactive about this issue as previously with bilateral series it was only the issue for the hosting board however no it impacts the test championship as well to an extent.

ICC can force a board. Or that board doesnot get to host a series.

Sports authorities around the world has done this. ICC too can do it.


No. Not everyone has same number of matches. While such cancellations will leave other teams with one less series to play, it will nearly obliterate pakistans home series. So pakistan has much more to lose.

All bilateral series are still decided between boards and not ICC.

At the end of the day the ICC will not force any team to tour. Unless majority of teams agree to tour pakistan, no one is going to lose points.

And unless PCB has the backing of majority of the boards, it cant force anything.

So the remaining option is to propose to the boards, request them and convince them. Being coercive wont help PCB and Ehsan Mani's big dialogues wont change it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Mani is dreaming if he thinks he can arm twist countries to play when they don’t feel safe

Mani is not saying arm twisting. Not yet atleast. Its more the posters here.

The only big thing that Mani said, that he probably could have avoided is that other boards will have to justify to pcb why they wont tour.

As long as their govt and security consultants abd players dont agree to tour, they wont. They will not need to justify it to Mani or any board.

 

[octavian]

ICC can force a board. Or that board doesnot get to host a series.

Sports authorities around the world has done this. ICC too can do it.


No. Not everyone has same number of matches. While such cancellations will leave other teams with one less series to play, it will nearly obliterate pakistans home series. So pakistan has much more to lose.

All bilateral series are still decided between boards and not ICC.

At the end of the day the ICC will not force any team to tour. Unless majority of teams agree to tour pakistan, no one is going to lose points.

And unless PCB has the backing of majority of the boards, it cant force anything.

So the remaining option is to propose to the boards, request them and convince them. Being coercive wont help PCB and Ehsan Mani's big dialogues wont change it.

Nobody is coercing anybody. Its your insecure imagination at work.

 

[Titan24]

ICC can force a board. Or that board doesnot get to host a series.

Sports authorities around the world has done this. ICC too can do it.


No. Not everyone has same number of matches. While such cancellations will leave other teams with one less series to play, it will nearly obliterate pakistans home series. So pakistan has much more to lose.

All bilateral series are still decided between boards and not ICC.

At the end of the day the ICC will not force any team to tour. Unless majority of teams agree to tour pakistan, no one is going to lose points.

And unless PCB has the backing of majority of the boards, it cant force anything.

So the remaining option is to propose to the boards, request them and convince them. Being coercive wont help PCB and Ehsan Mani's big dialogues wont change it.

I didnt say every team plays same number of matches. Every team plays for the same number of points on test championship, obviously matches in a series vary so the points are distributed accordingly.

In previous post you were saying that ICC can cancel the series, so are they going to force Pakistan to play on a neutral venue or are they going to cancel the series? You are taking all the stances at once.

So what will happen if PCB doesnt think there is a feasibility for them in a neutral venue? Series will be called of? And Pak wont get the same amount of points to play for and what happens with the other team?

Taking test Championship in the account it is not as easy as you are making it sound like.

 

[the Great Khan]

Having to layoff and destroy livelihood of 200+ first class cricketers is work of a genius.

Bringing in characters like Wasim Khan and Misbah ul Haq [with zero experience as coach or seletor] is also masterstroke of a genius.

Misbah is unproven true but in international cricket a coach's role is different to the grassroots. Misbah should be given time. As for bringing in a rising star in english cricket, a multiple award winner and potential head of the ECB, yeah what a stupid idea.

The way he antagonistically squeezed and pressurized Sarfaraz through out his tenure and then the way he tried to replace is also in front of everyone.

sarfi didnt make things easy for himself..was out of form, got into trouble with the ICC, we messed up a few series and then screwed up the wc. I like sarfi. Im a big fan of his but I can also understand why management started thinking long term.

Having to destroy so many lives for setting up a domestic system. inter-school and club level system has not been operationalized. Departmental cricket was the only avenue from where cricket in Pakistan was being sustained. Today we are on the verge of cricket going the hockey route where they'll be paying people to play cricket and organize open trials but won't find a single player.

Nonsensical garbage. it was a stark choice. You either concentrate on quality or you continue to subsidise cricketers who are not very good. if we were rolling in money we may have been able to retain more cricketers and perhaps the strucutre at the lower level would have been slightly different but as of now this was needed and neccessary. Yes there is unemployment but supporting unemployed workers is the job of the state not the PCB. This happens when you restructure, there are always some who lose out. and in big restructures its large numbers.

if previous pcb's hadnt messed up and created a bloated mess, or if the previous govts hadnt destroyed other sporting organisations maybe these guys could have been employed elsewhere. your reasoning is deeply flawed and misses the point compltely.

you are just criticising for the sake of it. I have seen it over the years. PPers like you appear all the time. i remember when inzi was lambasted, bob was lanbasted, when wasim akram was lambasted, etc tec..its always the same with some people..you have to criticise no matter what because it makes you look clever. Hell we have posters on here who have made it their reason for being on the forum..

 

[MenInG]

I really wish we would make such statements after series is over.

 

[ZamanFan]

you are just criticising for the sake of it. I have seen it over the years. PPers like you appear all the time. i remember when inzi was lambasted, bob was lanbasted, when wasim akram was lambasted, etc tec..its always the same with some people..you have to criticise no matter what because it makes you look clever. Hell we have posters on here who have made it their reason for being on the forum..

PCB spends more on its chairman and CEO trips than on the employees and first class cricketers were not employees nor PCB spent anything on them.
There is only NCA where chunk of its funding goes to
And all deadwood PCB employees are doing just fine. Their expenses are being taken care by PCB.

While First class cricketers who were employed by banks are now borrowing and driving uber to make ends meet.
Misbahul Haq has already destroyed Pakistan cricket between 2012 and 2015 and he has shown he's not going to change. At that time Pakistan was not even able to qualify for Champiuons Trophy as they had to skip Zimbabwe tour. If Misbah stays for more time we would be palying qualifiers fro the World Cup, the worst strategist and captain Pakistan has seen.
No person with bit of cricket knowledge would ever hire a person like Misbah, only a person brought from foreign country with nefarious agenda would do it.

 

[the Great Khan]

PCB spends more on its chairman and CEO trips than on the employees and first class cricketers were not employees nor PCB spent anything on them.
There is only NCA where chunk of its funding goes to
And all deadwood PCB employees are doing just fine. Their expenses are being taken care by PCB.

for now. There is another organisational review coming that will mean more changes. These things take at least a year two to implement sometimes a bit longer. Alot of the so called deadwood will be cleared out. The first class cricketers were employed by the departments so as a responsible employer it is their job to ensure they can find adequate replacement employment within the org or otherwise the employee will have to move on.It is not the PCB's fault that successive govts have not done anything for workers rights or the welfare system to help the unemployed.

While First class cricketers who were employed by banks are now borrowing and driving uber to make ends meet.

Again nothing the PCB can do about that. They should enact a welfare fund perhaps but realistically the banks and orgs should have done so. Their employee practices are not the PCB's problem.
The ex cricketers and their employers should have realised the gravy train wasnt going to last forever.

Misbahul Haq has already destroyed Pakistan cricket between 2012 and 2015 and he has shown he's not going to change. At that time Pakistan was not even able to qualify for Champiuons Trophy as they had to skip Zimbabwe tour. If Misbah stays for more time we would be palying qualifiers fro the World Cup, the worst strategist and captain Pakistan has seen.

Strategy in cricket is overated. You need good players who can hit big runs and take wickets. Once you have those you can create a strategy to jell and create a proper team. If your main ODI batsman of teh time hits stupid brainless shots and your so called veterna players follow his example, there's not much Misbah can do about it. Ok maybe his ODI cuptaany left much to be desired but he is not responsible for the dearth of quality cricketers. The fact we managed to hold our own in test cricket shows he isnt a complete idiot. The system cant produce good quality so you overhaul the system. That is what Wasim and Mani are trying to do. But as a qoum and fans we want overnight change. Its not happening.

No person with bit of cricket knowledge would ever hire a person like Misbah, only a person brought from foreign country with nefarious agenda would do it.

Yes its all a "caanspiraacy". Oh give me a break. If you had an iota of knowledge about how to build teams and work in proper organisations you wouldnt make a illiterate statement like that. Misbah isnt an idiot. He is being roomed for the long term and will get all the help required. It is a bold move and a strategic one too. Now Misbah may fail, he is human afterall but lets not start slitting our wrists just yet. these are major changes on a strutural level and they will bare fruit. As usual our so called fans think they know everything and want to make quick changes every match..this isnt a video game.

regards

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

regards

Some of these folk are playing politics. Previous regimes have done nothing to fix the system. Their intention is to keep the status quo to keep the gravy train running for their friends and family. Anything PTI related would be projected as negative. Strange people who care more about their ill gotten gains than our cricket.

 

[the Great Khan]

Some of these folk are playing politics. Previous regimes have done nothing to fix the system. Their intention is to keep the status quo to keep the gravy train running for their friends and family. Anything PTI related would be projected as negative. Strange people who care more about their ill gotten gains than our cricket.

indeed. And they then come out with stupid smears like" so and so has destroyed our cricket" or we are finished" etc etc..its just ridiculous to read!!

and the best is the behrooni saazish!! Im surprised nobody has blamed Israel for the appointment of Misbah yet!!

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

indeed. And they then come out with stupid smears like" so and so has destroyed our cricket" or we are finished" etc etc..its just ridiculous to read!!

and the best is the behrooni saazish!! Im surprised nobody has blamed Israel for the appointment of Misbah yet!!

If you need to proof of corruption at its finest then look at Zaka Ashraf. This buffon was told to sit down by OZ chief during a roundtable. Inept and not qualified in any way shape or form to do the job. Just a placeholder to keep the money trail a secret.

PPP did the most damage to our cricket and we are still reeling from it. I liked Sethi but he had powerful overlords watching him so he could only operate in the confines of corrupt dishonest practices.

I don't think much of Mani either but I like Wasim and he is 100% honest. Unfortunately PCB needs more of him to support his cause otherwise they will just plot against him and friends and family of this gravy train corrupt criminals will keep the pressure on this forum and media.

 

[ZamanFan]

If you need to proof of corruption at its finest then look at Zaka Ashraf. This buffon was told to sit down by OZ chief during a roundtable. Inept and not qualified in any way shape or form to do the job. Just a placeholder to keep the money trail a secret.

PPP did the most damage to our cricket and we are still reeling from it. I liked Sethi but he had powerful overlords watching him so he could only operate in the confines of corrupt dishonest practices.

I don't think much of Mani either but I like Wasim and he is 100% honest. Unfortunately PCB needs more of him to support his cause otherwise they will just plot against him and friends and family of this gravy train corrupt criminals will keep the pressure on this forum and media.

Rofl go and check all the people hired during Ashraf time, most of his policies are still going on.

The 90s ex players mafia of Inzamam still have presence in NCA AND the rest of Pcb

Another British national Mushtaq Ahmed getting moolah while local cricketers are now begging on the streets.
Mushtaq who has been doled out lot of money to organize bowling camp, u 16 camp, mufta camp is back running another spin camp for 4 months.

This stupid notion being promoted by certain posters
that there is REFORM and systemic change going on in PCB is laughable.

Corrupts in the system are functioning normally while the so-called domestic system is still not prepared. There also mafias in name of cricket associations are waiting for PCB handing out more money for them to hire their family members in prominent positions.

 

[the Great Khan]

Rofl go and check all the people hired during Ashraf time, most of his policies are still going on.

The 90s ex players mafia of Inzamam still have presence in NCA AND the rest of Pcb

Another British national Mushtaq Ahmed getting moolah while local cricketers are now begging on the streets.
Mushtaq who has been doled out lot of money to organize bowling camp, u 16 camp, mufta camp is back running another spin camp for 4 months.

This stupid notion being promoted by certain posters
that there is REFORM and systemic change going on in PCB is laughable.

Corrupts in the system are functioning normally while the so-called domestic system is still not prepared. There also mafias in name of cricket associations are waiting for PCB handing out more money for them to hire their family members in prominent positions.

ok fine so just keep crying and moaning...but we are not obliged to listen to your whining..

 

[whetstone]

I already said its other team’s right to tour or not if you read the complete post.

So if UAE isnt feasible for Pak, what will ICC do? As it isnt Pak’s fault if a team refuses to tour, so will the ICC be providing the venue for Pakistan in test championship? If not how will the points probably be decided considering an opposition team not touring isnt Pak’s fault?

Not the ICC's job to provide or pay for a neutral venue .....regarding the points ... in all likelyhood and the rational thing to do is the points will just be split between the two teams based on a consensus ICC board decision. An opposition team not touring depends on their reason for not touring and if the reason given is security as every cricket board has their own security consultants .... not much the ICC can do ..... the aussies have not toured pak for 2 decades .... long before the sad incident with the SL cricketers.... and i read a post by another poster here about the ICC forcing teams to tour pak ( quoting examples from other sports authorities and berating the ICC for not doing more ) ..... its like comparing apples and oranges ... the ICC constitution does not permit the ICC to "force" any team to do anything.Unless the ICC constitution is changed ( that would mean every nation giving ICC the authority to "force " things) ) , does anyone seeing this happen ? ..... the ICC has done as much as they could to help ... its up to the PCB to convince/cajole other cricket boards to tour.

 

[Saj]

Well the PCB can hold sway once the PSL is played in Pakistan and hopefully refer Boards to the number of their respective players playing in the PSL in Pakistan.

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) CEO Wasim Gulzar Khan has lauded the Sri Lankan team for touring Pakistan and expressed his satisfaction over the arrangements at the Rawalpindi Cricket Stadium.

While talking to the reporters at the stadium on Thursday, Wasim along with PCB Chairman Ehsan Mani said: “The message is very clear to all the cricketing nations that now they have no lame excuses to avoid touring Pakistan. The Sri Lankan players were warmly welcomed upon their arrival in Rawalpindi by the government, PCB and people of the country. They are praising our hospitality after earning lot of respect and love. Now international teams will come thick and fast. Bangladesh players will come here soon. I had productive meetings with Cricket Australia and Australian Players Association (APA) President Shane Watson to apprise them about the passion of our people towards cricket. I had also signed a MoU with New South Wales, according to which, our two girls and two boys will visit Australia every year on scholarship and play cricket as well. Pakistan Super League’s entire matches will also be played in Pakistan. All these are positive signs for the improvement of cricket in the country.

“Being former world champions, we know our responsibilities and we expect our contributions are duly recognized. We are ready to play against Indians in Pakistan, India or any neutral venue, if they are willing to resume cricketing ties. As if we play against each other, cricket will flourish in this region and other nations will also benefit a great deal.

PCB Chairman Ehsan Mani said: “MCC team will visit Pakistan next month. We claim that Pakistan is completely safe for hosting all kinds of sporting events and if some persons have doubts, then they must inform us. The Test match against Bangladesh will be held at the Rawalpindi Stadium. England are scheduled to tour Pakistan in 2021, while Australia are due to tour in 2022. The BCCI Secretary should talk to the PCB for development of cricket in the region.

“Prime Minister Imran Khan has to run the country, rather than inviting countries to play here. We have seven selectors, who all are former cricketers, and eight running stadiums. We are representing the country in five ICC committees, which was never witnessed in the past. We have noticed our shortcomings during the Australia tour. We cannot even think about playing well in difficult conditions until improvement of our first class cricket standard. We have to bring our cricket at par to international standards and improve our pitches,” Mani concluded.

https://nation.com.pk/13-Dec-2019/foreign-teams-now-have-no-excuse-to-avoid-visiting-pakistan-pcb

 

[ZamanFan]

ok fine so just keep crying and moaning...but we are not obliged to listen to your whining..

Atleast not crying on behalf of Mani.

Wasim Khan was saying he won't beg to BCCI, so he again issued statement to play India anywhere for sake of world peace rofl.

 

[lifecric7]

Mani is so stupid.. I mean he speaks with no sense.., keep loosing millions man and screw pak cricket

 

[Abdullah719]

Mani is so stupid.. I mean he speaks with no sense.., keep loosing millions man and screw pak cricket

We are already losing millions by playing matches in UAE.

 

[Sidilicious]

Well the PCB can hold sway once the PSL is played in Pakistan and hopefully refer Boards to the number of their respective players playing in the PSL in Pakistan.

TBH, I think PCB will need to have a proper strategy if they intend to convince teams to play in Pakistan. Inflexibility and arrogance (like they showed with BCB) will get them nowhere. Neither will just hoping that SENA will tour Pakistan just because of SL touring and the PSL. It will need to involve a bit of politics, a bit of financial incentive and lots of more giving and less taking (for now).

For example, they could agree that if a team like NZ/Bang/WI plays 3 ODIs in Pakistan, then the Pakistani team will play 5 ODIs in these countries. The players of these countries should be promised some extra incentive too (some political award, not just cash incentive). More give, less take.

They need to really fix the relationship with India. Bilateral relationship will not happen anytime soon, but PCM should not be antagonising BCCI either (trying to remove 2011 WC from subcontinent, lawsuit against BCCI etc). A good relationship with BCCI would mean a lot of pull at the ICC. Even if the Indian and the Pakistani govt do not have a good relationship, does not mean that the BCCI and PCB need to have a poor relationship.

PCB has been very poor in long term planning and thinking. Be it in developing their players or managing domestic cricket or relationship with other organisations. Hopefully, Wasim Khan is the one to kickstart that.

 

[topspin]

If you need to proof of corruption at its finest then look at Zaka Ashraf. This buffon was told to sit down by OZ chief during a roundtable. Inept and not qualified in any way shape or form to do the job. Just a placeholder to keep the money trail a secret.

PPP did the most damage to our cricket and we are still reeling from it. I liked Sethi but he had powerful overlords watching him so he could only operate in the confines of corrupt dishonest practices.

I don't think much of Mani either but I like Wasim and he is 100% honest. Unfortunately PCB needs more of him to support his cause otherwise they will just plot against him and friends and family of this gravy train corrupt criminals will keep the pressure on this forum and media.

You might know more about him than I do, so I'm not doubting your assessment, but what do you think about the appointment of Misbah? I personally don't approve of it due to his lack of/zero qualifications and experience.

If Wasim Khan was involved in this decision, you can't say he's 100% honest when the selection process reeked of corruption, when you consider for example, the way job was advertised, as it was designed to stop other applicants from applying.

Personally I'm open minded about all this, what I do know is, either Mani and Wasim Khan are behind Misbah's appointment or it was a command given to them by the PM.

 

[Mamoon]

I actually get tired of flippant statements like "mani has been a disaster for the team"..he's a genius compared to our previous heads..

this team has broaught back cricket to pakistan
has brought back the PSL to pakistan with int players and coaches
have initiated discussions with other boards to revive our A and age group cricket
they are reorganising our whole cricket structure

and thats just some of the things they are doing. Statements like the above are made without any substance whatsoever. back them up or dont make them

They haven’t.

Cricket has been played in Pakistan in since capacity since 2015.

If the current regime is able to host Test cricket in Pakistan today, not to mention the idiocy of hosting a Test in Rawalpindi in December, it is because of the efforts of Sethi and Shahryar Khan who kicked off the process of restoring cricket in Pakistan.

Mani and Wasim are simply capitalizing on the work of the previous administrations. Giving them credit for bringing cricket back to Pakistan is both ridiculous and laughable.

 

[topspin]

They haven’t.

Cricket has been played in Pakistan in since capacity since 2015.

If the current regime is able to host Test cricket in Pakistan today, not to mention the idiocy of hosting a Test in Rawalpindi in December, it is because of the efforts of Sethi and Shahryar Khan who kicked off the process of restoring cricket in Pakistan.

Mani and Wasim are simply capitalizing on the work of the previous administrations. Giving them credit for bringing cricket back to Pakistan is both ridiculous and laughable.

Welcome back.

As much I detest Sethi, he deserves the credit for progressing the commencement PSL and for being the first to bring cricket back to Pakistan following the 2009 attack.

 

[Saj]

TBH, I think PCB will need to have a proper strategy if they intend to convince teams to play in Pakistan. Inflexibility and arrogance (like they showed with BCB) will get them nowhere. Neither will just hoping that SENA will tour Pakistan just because of SL touring and the PSL. It will need to involve a bit of politics, a bit of financial incentive and lots of more giving and less taking (for now).

For example, they could agree that if a team like NZ/Bang/WI plays 3 ODIs in Pakistan, then the Pakistani team will play 5 ODIs in these countries. The players of these countries should be promised some extra incentive too (some political award, not just cash incentive). More give, less take.

They need to really fix the relationship with India. Bilateral relationship will not happen anytime soon, but PCM should not be antagonising BCCI either (trying to remove 2011 WC from subcontinent, lawsuit against BCCI etc). A good relationship with BCCI would mean a lot of pull at the ICC. Even if the Indian and the Pakistani govt do not have a good relationship, does not mean that the BCCI and PCB need to have a poor relationship.

PCB has been very poor in long term planning and thinking. Be it in developing their players or managing domestic cricket or relationship with other organisations. Hopefully, Wasim Khan is the one to kickstart that.

Yes, but foreign players who are current internationals is a big bargaining tool for PCB and they need to carefully utilise that.

Whether they will, remains to be seen.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dimuth Karunaratne "Now we know Pakistan is really safe and we're looking forward to playing again here. All the other countries and nations playing cricket can come and play here, Tests, ODIs and T20Is, it's safe to play in Pakistan" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvSL?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvSL</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1209010635062874112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[emranabbas]

With this attitude we will be playing west indies, Zimbabwe, Nepal etc..

India, Bangladesh and Afghanistan won't be visiting

England, Australia and South Africa won't be interested

Trust me this will not work out..

100 percent certain india, Afghanistan and Bangladesh won't be visiting

We will be isolating our selves further

 

[Babbar]

I have a feeling that England is likely visit Pakistan for a short series. They will bring their own security, not depend on Pakistan, but they will come. England knows Pakistan better than any other country and will ensure that Pakistan is not isolated.

That will open the way for other countries, esp NZ and SA to visit Pakistan. Only India and Aus are unlikely to visit for the next 5 years at least. Pakistan can live with it.

 

[MenInG]

I have a feeling that England is likely visit Pakistan for a short series. They will bring their own security, not depend on Pakistan, but they will come. England knows Pakistan better than any other country and will ensure that Pakistan is not isolated.

That will open the way for other countries, esp NZ and SA to visit Pakistan. Only India and Aus are unlikely to visit for the next 5 years at least. Pakistan can live with it.

So you think a detachment of Royal Commandos will walk around with England side?