"Our plan was to get around 50 runs in the batting power-play": Babar Azam

[MenInG]

Babar speaking in post-match:

I am very happy, winning gives us a lot of confidence, we started and finished well. We were happy as a batting group, our plan was to get around 50 runs in the batting PP. Shan (Masood) and Rizwan batted well, he stayed till the end and took us to a good score. The wind was a factor and the bowlers used it to good effect. Every match is a big game, we will look forward to the opportunity of playing against good teams.

 

[MenInG]

Ended up with 34 after 5 overs, 43 after 6 overs - is this plan ok?

 

[Suleiman]

This is the thing with getting cheap wins vs minnow level teams. Gives false sense of security that a flawed plan is good- when it’s just the gulf between the two teams.

Maybe that’s why we play Bangladesh and Zimbabwe so often in the last 10 years. To justify poor selections and poor planning.

And as always, the bubble bursts Vs top teams. We are very fortunate that Haris and Aamer (no idea why he isn’t even in the squad for this) performed a rescue mission with the ball at the 11th hour in 2 separate games in the England series, or 4-3 score line could easily been 6-1.

 

[Sarwar89]

There is over excessive scrutiny on Babar & pakistan team, i do not know if it is a cultural paradigm shift in past 7-8 years in Pakistan or not but i feel our supporters have low patience level. They won the match, not a single comment i have seen where someone had even mentioned “ well played, congrats boys”.

Entire discussion is on yes we won but why we scored 40 in first 6 overs. Or this & that. I do not remember back in the days even in 2005-10 era where every single segment overs scores were counted (5-10 or 15-20).

And Babar’s statement suggests that he himself is under the pump by saying that we wanted 50 in first 6 overs. He should have said we won the match and will look into areas where we can improve. No need to give explainations.

If such is a level of scrutiny that team has to score 50-55-60 in 6 overs, it is unnecessary pressure.

Does anyone even remember in 2009 world cup semi final, Younis khan & his guys only added 29 runs in last 5 overs. Instead of 165-170 we only got 149 & won the match.

Last year we got 176 in sf & lost, in 2010 we got 193 in sf & lost and 2012 were unable to chase 140 in sf.

Each match, each day, each event is different. I suggest our supporters not to be overly microscopic on each element.

Objective is to win world cup. How they do it lets leave it to team.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Setting a target is has been problem of Pakistan lately, i hope with time this team will learn the art of setting totals, overall Pakistan team is playing good

 

[Shafi]

Don't worry. Tomorrow NZ will show you how to bat in these pitches rather than play for stats. Typical selfish player. Had he born in Aus, Eng, Ind or NZ he would never play for national team. Typical over-rated player.

 

[Rana]

Ok at least they are taking into account the frustration people are starting to have.

A good start.

 

[Shafi]

There is over excessive scrutiny on Babar & pakistan team, i do not know if it is a cultural paradigm shift in past 7-8 years in Pakistan or not but i feel our supporters have low patience level. They won the match, not a single comment i have seen where someone had even mentioned “ well played, congrats boys”.

Entire discussion is on yes we won but why we scored 40 in first 6 overs. Or this & that. I do not remember back in the days even in 2005-10 era where every single segment overs scores were counted (5-10 or 15-20).

And Babar’s statement suggests that he himself is under the pump by saying that we wanted 50 in first 6 overs. He should have said we won the match and will look into areas where we can improve. No need to give explainations.

If such is a level of scrutiny that team has to score 50-55-60 in 6 overs, it is unnecessary pressure.

Does anyone even remember in 2009 world cup semi final, Younis khan & his guys only added 29 runs in last 5 overs. Instead of 165-170 we only got 149 & won the match.

Last year we got 176 in sf & lost, in 2010 we got 193 in sf & lost and 2012 were unable to chase 140 in sf.

Each match, each day, each event is different. I suggest our supporters not to be overly microscopic on each element.

Objective is to win world cup. How they do it lets leave it to team.

We are playing against Bangladesh B team. Sakib, Mushfiq, Mahmudullah and Tamim are missing who are 80% of Bangladesh team.
Play against decent Australia team and this team will loose by 70+ runs or 8 wickets. Warner will murder all our bowlers except Shaheen.

 

[Shafi]

Ok at least they are taking into account the frustration people are starting to have.

A good start.

Not really. They are just saying what fans want from them. 50 in 6 overs are not that good in power play. Good teams will score around 70-80 runs. We will play same way every match.

 

[Rana]

We are playing against Bangladesh B team. Sakib, Mushfiq, Mahmudullah and Tamim are missing who are 80% of Bangladesh team.
Play against decent Australia team and this team will loose by 70+ runs or 8 wickets. Warner will murder all our bowlers except Shaheen.

Warner will Smash Shaheen too if he survives his first over. Shaheen is just another Pakistani bowler once the new ball loses its shine

By that I mean, he can have a good or a bad couple of overs. Pakistani bowlers are not terrible but they are as unpredictable as their batsmen

 

[Dr_Bassim]

50 runs in 6.

85 in 10.

160-170 in 20.

Don't take risks.

Get an average score.

Hope bowlers bail you out.

If they do, score was amazing.

If they don't, qudrat ka Nizam hy.

Don't try anything new.

Rinse and repeat.

We play T20.

I am Sir Babar Azam.

 

[Sarwar89]

Don't worry. Tomorrow NZ will show you how to bat in these pitches rather than play for stats. Typical selfish player. Had he born in Aus, Eng, Ind or NZ he would never play for national team. Typical over-rated player.

And in-case Pakistan beats New zealand tomorrow.

People will say

1) It was B New zealand team, key players missing.
2) It was fluke win.
3) Nzl had an off-day, Pak were still under par.

I now know people mindset very well, whether Babar wins draws or loses he will get lot of criticism.
Actually i have now started to support his doctrine and that is “ do what you think is correct”. Cuz people will never be happy.
Tom if Pak scores 180, people will say it was phatta wicket, shud have scored 200.
If pak scores 200 & loses they will say
Should have scored 220.

Incase pak scores 150 & wins the match. People will say it was fluke, it was kiwi off Day.

 

[Rana]

Not really. They are just saying what fans want from them. 50 in 6 overs are not that good in power play. Good teams will score around 70-80 runs. We will play same way every match.

Agreed. Cricket is moving fast. 50 off 6 is a par requirement now against decent/good bowling attacks

When you play against the most mediocre sides and you have the no.1 and no.3 ranked batsman opening, setting yourself a par target is quite embarrassing

 

[Rana]

And in-case Pakistan beats New zealand tomorrow.

People will say

1) It was B New zealand team, key players missing.
2) It was fluke win.
3) Nzl had an off-day, Pak were still under par.

I now know people mindset very well, whether Babar wins draws or loses he will get lot of criticism.
Actually i have now started to support his doctrine and that is “ do what you think is correct”. Cuz people will never be happy.
Tom if Pak scores 180, people will say it was phatta wicket, shud have scored 200.
If pak scores 200 & loses they will say
Should have scored 220.

Incase pak scores 150 & wins the match. People will say it was fluke, it was kiwi off Day.

What goes around

Comes around

People had issues with our no.1 side and our aggressive keeper/captain/leader

You can’t expect people to be happy with this mediocrity

 

[Sarwar89]

We are playing against Bangladesh B team. Sakib, Mushfiq, Mahmudullah and Tamim are missing who are 80% of Bangladesh team.
Play against decent Australia team and this team will loose by 70+ runs or 8 wickets. Warner will murder all our bowlers except Shaheen.

Was our team not B team ?

Shaheen
Naseem
Fakhar

Your 3 key players were missing as well.

There is no such thing as ABCD
Anyone remembers how many sri lankan players were missing in 2011 wc final ? History only remembers country name.
Not ABCD EFG

 

[Rana]

50 runs in 6.

85 in 10.

160-170 in 20.

Don't take risks.

Get an average score.

Hope bowlers bail you out.

If they do, score was amazing.

If they don't, qudrat ka Nizam hy.

Don't try anything new.

Rinse and repeat.

We play T20.

I am Sir Babar Azam.

[MENTION=141768]GudduBadmash[/MENTION] will be doing all the research for every ground in the world and will relay the information to the team.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

And in-case Pakistan beats New zealand tomorrow.

People will say

1) It was B New zealand team, key players missing.
2) It was fluke win.
3) Nzl had an off-day, Pak were still under par.

I now know people mindset very well, whether Babar wins draws or loses he will get lot of criticism.
Actually i have now started to support his doctrine and that is “ do what you think is correct”. Cuz people will never be happy.
Tom if Pak scores 180, people will say it was phatta wicket, shud have scored 200.
If pak scores 200 & loses they will say
Should have scored 220.

Incase pak scores 150 & wins the match. People will say it was fluke, it was kiwi off Day.

If you do something consistently well for long periods of time, it becomes a psyche and habit.

If you win a game when all the Gods align and it won't happen again, it's a fluke.

Hope you understand the difference.

 

[Shafi]

Was our team not B team ?

Shaheen
Naseem
Fakhar

Your 3 key players were missing as well.

There is no such thing as ABCD
Anyone remembers how many sri lankan players were missing in 2011 wc final ? History only remembers country name.
Not ABCD EFG

Fakhar can't even score 10 runs in UAE pictches. Shaheen is good but Nasim is ok but no where near Shaheen.
Those 4 BD players are better than any of our batsmen except Babar and Rizwan.

 

[riddu]

If pak loose in world t20 .. asif ali should be made captain

 

[PakPremi]

There is over excessive scrutiny on Babar & pakistan team, i do not know if it is a cultural paradigm shift in past 7-8 years in Pakistan or not but i feel our supporters have low patience level. They won the match, not a single comment i have seen where someone had even mentioned “ well played, congrats boys”.

Entire discussion is on yes we won but why we scored 40 in first 6 overs. Or this & that. I do not remember back in the days even in 2005-10 era where every single segment overs scores were counted (5-10 or 15-20).

And Babar’s statement suggests that he himself is under the pump by saying that we wanted 50 in first 6 overs. He should have said we won the match and will look into areas where we can improve. No need to give explainations.

If such is a level of scrutiny that team has to score 50-55-60 in 6 overs, it is unnecessary pressure.

Does anyone even remember in 2009 world cup semi final, Younis khan & his guys only added 29 runs in last 5 overs. Instead of 165-170 we only got 149 & won the match.

Last year we got 176 in sf & lost, in 2010 we got 193 in sf & lost and 2012 were unable to chase 140 in sf.

Each match, each day, each event is different. I suggest our supporters not to be overly microscopic on each element.

Objective is to win world cup. How they do it lets leave it to team.

Fair Post then it would not be Pakistani fans if they did not discuss doom&gloom, the only justified whining is for the middle order 's capability.

 

[PakPremi]

If you do something consistently well for long periods of time, it becomes a psyche and habit.

If you win a game when all the Gods align and it won't happen again, it's a fluke.

Hope you understand the difference.

Is not Pakistsn winning 80 percent of its games. Not all teams they played were minnow either.

 

[reversehook]

isnt that the plan every game einstein... come on now babar160....

 

[PakPremi]

Fakhar can't even score 10 runs in UAE pictches. Shaheen is good but Nasim is ok but no where near Shaheen.
Those 4 BD players are better than any of our batsmen except Babar and Rizwan.

Yet Pakistan with 9 inferior players almost always beats them even when those 4 superior players in the team, whether all 4 were in the team together against Pakistan in the matches they played or not.

 

[atomberg]

Lol Aus powerplay score is 45/1 Today. And Warner is batting.

 

[JibranAnsari]

aaah now we know why our batting sucks.

 

[greatest]

isnt that the plan every game einstein... come on now babar160....

This is our new PLAN. Other teams beware!

 

[Rana]

This is our new PLAN. Other teams beware!

Kaanpain taang rahi hain

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Is not Pakistsn winning 80 percent of its games. Not all teams they played were minnow either.

Well if they win 80 percent of their games they should be favorites for World T20.

Are u putting them as favorites?

 

[Usman Chadda]

There is over excessive scrutiny on Babar & pakistan team, i do not know if it is a cultural paradigm shift in past 7-8 years in Pakistan or not but i feel our supporters have low patience level. They won the match, not a single comment i have seen where someone had even mentioned “ well played, congrats boys”.

Entire discussion is on yes we won but why we scored 40 in first 6 overs. Or this & that. I do not remember back in the days even in 2005-10 era where every single segment overs scores were counted (5-10 or 15-20).

And Babar’s statement suggests that he himself is under the pump by saying that we wanted 50 in first 6 overs. He should have said we won the match and will look into areas where we can improve. No need to give explainations.

If such is a level of scrutiny that team has to score 50-55-60 in 6 overs, it is unnecessary pressure.

Does anyone even remember in 2009 world cup semi final, Younis khan & his guys only added 29 runs in last 5 overs. Instead of 165-170 we only got 149 & won the match.

Last year we got 176 in sf & lost, in 2010 we got 193 in sf & lost and 2012 were unable to chase 140 in sf.

Each match, each day, each event is different. I suggest our supporters not to be overly microscopic on each element.

Objective is to win world cup. How they do it lets leave it to team.

Our fans do not understand cricket, good luck trying to knock some sense into them. It’s all about their favorite player not playing or playing in the team, Pakistan cricket can go to hell as far as most here are concerned.

Our team has a lot of issues, and most of them are due to lack of options available. The selectors, captain and coach are frantically trying to plug the gaps, but if you just do not have the players, you won’t be able to overcome your shortcomings no matter what you do. You cannot suddenly teach the likes of Iftikhar and Asif to spend some time at the wicket, as they just do not have the game to do that.

The new ‘cool’ argument among the young ones here is to move Babar down to three or four. I even read one absolutely ridiculous suggestion in the match thread of having Asif Ali open the batting

 

[PakPremi]

No I do not expect them to be favourite, no where near but just replying to your point about winning habit.
Paksitan have never been favourite in my eyes all my 30 years of watching them play cricket not even in 99 when they had a pretty good team, but we should give them credit when they win matches and not whine all the time,and they have even recently won some games against a very good batting England team as well beaten India in the pressure round. Constructive criticism is fine about the middle order but crying even when Rizwan is scoring runs against all teams he is playing and very consistently is not justified.

 

[ARK Rafay]

Pakistani fans will never be satisfied with Babar's words. No matter what he says and talks about the game plan, there will always be unnecessary criticism.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

No I do not expect them to be favourite, no where near but just replying to your point about winning habit.
Paksitan have never been favourite in my eyes all my 30 years of watching them play cricket not even in 99 when they had a pretty good team, but we should give them credit when they win matches and not whine all the time,and they have even recently won some games against a very good batting England team as well beaten India in the pressure round. Constructive criticism is fine about the middle order but crying even when Rizwan is scoring runs against all teams he is playing and very consistently is not justified.

I think you answered your question yourself.

You claimed that Pakistan is winning 80 percent of its matches.

Shouldn't a team that wins 80 percent be a tournament favorite?

But it isn't.

There are only two logical explanations why.


The team wins mostly because other teams do not send their full strength squads in those matches.

OR

The team wins because they are actually very good.


You can't make a bold claim that team is winning 80 percent so it must be good and then cop out when you are asked to label them as favorites.

Something is wrong.

Take your pick.

 

[PakPremi]

Or they are punching above their weight, we all know our batting apart from our openers is not good at all.
Other teams may not be sending their full team but their squad batsmen are better than most of our first team batsmen.

 

[TheSultan]

There is over excessive scrutiny on Babar & pakistan team, i do not know if it is a cultural paradigm shift in past 7-8 years in Pakistan or not but i feel our supporters have low patience level. They won the match, not a single comment i have seen where someone had even mentioned “ well played, congrats boys”.

Entire discussion is on yes we won but why we scored 40 in first 6 overs. Or this & that. I do not remember back in the days even in 2005-10 era where every single segment overs scores were counted (5-10 or 15-20).

And Babar’s statement suggests that he himself is under the pump by saying that we wanted 50 in first 6 overs. He should have said we won the match and will look into areas where we can improve. No need to give explainations.

If such is a level of scrutiny that team has to score 50-55-60 in 6 overs, it is unnecessary pressure.

Does anyone even remember in 2009 world cup semi final, Younis khan & his guys only added 29 runs in last 5 overs. Instead of 165-170 we only got 149 & won the match.

Last year we got 176 in sf & lost, in 2010 we got 193 in sf & lost and 2012 were unable to chase 140 in sf.

Each match, each day, each event is different. I suggest our supporters not to be overly microscopic on each element.

Objective is to win world cup. How they do it lets leave it to team.

The problem is winning doesn’t really matter for these practice matches. What people want to see is how are preparations going for the World Cup.

Each match, each day is different you are right. You may come up against a great bowling display, a tough pitch etc etc. However, you need to be prepared for all eventualities. What happens if you get a really flat pitch and an average bowling attack? You should be plundering way over 200. But regardless of any factors we just default to plodding along. We haven’t even tried to go hard at the top. Try it, see what happens. If you lose to bangladesh in what is essentially a practice match, so what?

What people are frustrated with is that the team are quite happy to just plod along.

 

[gazza619]

Ended up with 34 after 5 overs, 43 after 6 overs - is this plan ok?

Clearly not enough. That is the start we will get 9 times out of 10 with these two.

 

[TheSultan]

Lol Aus powerplay score is 45/1 Today. And Warner is batting.

This whataboutism isn’t going to help OUR team. Who cares what Australia do? Every team looks to do different things. Australia have proved they can go hard regularly.

We haven’t, so our supporters want to see them try.

 

[PakPremi]

Clearly not enough. That is the start we will get 9 times out of 10 with these two.

What is the alternative, there is no replacement for them with Fakhar's form and fitness. If these two go hard they will get out early and then we know what the rest of team will score. If they attack sensibly Pakistan get something to bowl at.
The need is for the rest of the batsmen to also contribute in meaningful way. Excuse of not having enough overs left for them is rubbish, as there have been plenty of times when they had 10 or more overs to bat but they could do nothing.

 

[Rana]

This whataboutism isn’t going to help OUR team. Who cares what Australia do? Every team looks to do different things. Australia have proved they can go hard regularly.

We haven’t, so our supporters want to see them try.

Exactly

Green didn’t come off today otherwise they would have been 60+ in the pp

 

[Shafi]

I bet Aussie Wamen have better fire-power than our male team. No wonder we cannot win big matches.

 

[TheSultan]

What is the alternative, there is no replacement for them with Fakhar's form and fitness. If these two go hard they will get out early and then we know what the rest of team will score. If they attack sensibly Pakistan get something to bowl at.
The need is for the rest of the batsmen to also contribute in meaningful way. Excuse of not having enough overs left for them is rubbish, as there have been plenty of times when they had 10 or more overs to bat but they could do nothing.

Why are we so scared? If everything depends on Babar and Riz then moving them down the order shouldn’t be a problem. Give the useless hacks an opportunity up top. Their mistimed shots may not go straight to a boundary fielder, it might go to the boundary.

We should try and maximise ALL our resources not just be stuck on maximising Babar and Riz

 

[Rana]

Warner fell at 11.1 overs after scoring 78 off 41

Rizwan would bat through and score this kind of score after facing 50+ deliveries

Two completely different types of players. One is a champion and will most likely defend his championship. The other is just an excuse

 

[Rana]

If Warner carried his bat through, he would have scored 130+

That’s 130+ runs, not strike rate

 

[gazza619]

What is the alternative, there is no replacement for them with Fakhar's form and fitness. If these two go hard they will get out early and then we know what the rest of team will score. If they attack sensibly Pakistan get something to bowl at.
The need is for the rest of the batsmen to also contribute in meaningful way. Excuse of not having enough overs left for them is rubbish, as there have been plenty of times when they had 10 or more overs to bat but they could do nothing.

Open with Fakhar, he is fit.

 

[reversehook]

This is our new PLAN. Other teams beware!

Kaanpain taang rahi hain

other teams must be feeling stupid as they always thought we trying to get to 70-80 in pp...

 

[Ami]

Pak with this attitude will lose more games than win...they're a middling side who have a formula and it works and they're quite happy with the outcome.

If you have fear of failure instilled into you, you always take the cautious approach.

How about breaking it down a bit and say every batter needs to bat 18 balls and go for broke, minimum 10 runs per over.

This. Will never happen cos its Pakistan.

 

[Rana]

Open with Fakhar, he is fit.

Who would you swap him with?

 

[PakPremi]

Who would you swap him with?

If Fakhar is fit Babar needs to come one down, only one of Iftikhar/Shan in the team as well.

 

[Rana]

If Fakhar is fit Babar needs to come one down, only one of Iftikhar/Shan in the team as well.

Is this to give us a little bit more of an impetus in the powerplay?

 

[gazza619]

Who would you swap him with?

Shan. He is only misbalancing the side big time. Send him back to county where he can score his 20 ball 25.

 

[PakPremi]

Is this to give us a little bit more of an impetus in the powerplay?

Tbh even when Fakhar opened as far as I remember we had similar PP scores but with atleast a wicket down. My more concern is the middle order, and by Babar moving atleast one down we have some solidity and a batsman who can find gaps, even if we lose an early wicket.

 

[TeymurBlake]

They should be targeting 10 runs per over in the first 6 powerplay overs. And continuing to build a total.

Because in the 6-14 overs, Pakistanis run flows start to slow down and that is a problem.

They got to look for boundaries once or twice a over.

 

[Sarwar89]

Don't worry. Tomorrow NZ will show you how to bat in these pitches rather than play for stats. Typical selfish player. Had he born in Aus, Eng, Ind or NZ he would never play for national team. Typical over-rated player.

So did new zealand teach is any lesson ?


Or did Babar taught them lesson

 

[Sarwar89]

And in-case Pakistan beats New zealand tomorrow.

People will say

1) It was B New zealand team, key players missing.
2) It was fluke win.
3) Nzl had an off-day, Pak were still under par.

I now know people mindset very well, whether Babar wins draws or loses he will get lot of criticism.
Actually i have now started to support his doctrine and that is “ do what you think is correct”. Cuz people will never be happy.
Tom if Pak scores 180, people will say it was phatta wicket, shud have scored 200.
If pak scores 200 & loses they will say
Should have scored 220.

Incase pak scores 150 & wins the match. People will say it was fluke, it was kiwi off Day.

So lets see what type of excuses come today

1) it was fluke win ?
2) it was B or C nzl team

 

[Dr_Bassim]

So lets see what type of excuses come today

1) it was fluke win ?
2) it was B or C nzl team

Pakistan played well and NZ played below par.

I hope you are still here for the tri series final.

Counting

We lost the Asia Cup final.

We lost the T20 final match to England at home.

Lets hope we can actually win the tri series so you can actually celebrate instead of one off matches.

 

[Sarwar89]

Pakistan played well and NZ played below par.

I hope you are still here for the tri series final.

Counting

We lost the Asia Cup final.

We lost the T20 final match to England at home.

Lets hope we can actually win the tri series so you can actually celebrate instead of one off matches.

We shall see, just few more days. Babar is pulling the team and lifting the spirits together.

 

[KhanNn]

Other teams aiming for around 70 whereas we are aiming for 50 runs in the first 6 overs. Sometimes we struggle to even get that!

 

[PakPremi]

Do not often see 70 in PP against good bowling line ups, unless absolute phatha wickets. In the recent series Pak vs England series England were often scoring less than Pakistan, despite having very good batsmen to follow.

 

[Rana]

Do not often see 70 in PP against good bowling line ups, unless absolute phatha wickets. In the recent series Pak vs England series England were often scoring less than Pakistan, despite having very good batsmen to follow.

50-0 in 3 overs

Who scored that?

 

[PakPremi]

50-0 in 3 overs

Who scored that?

I said mostly.

 

[Zaz]

Don't worry. Tomorrow NZ will show you how to bat in these pitches rather than play for stats. Typical selfish player. Had he born in Aus, Eng, Ind or NZ he would never play for national team. Typical over-rated player.

This aged well How much did NZ get in the power play again?


42-1 off 6 overs and
92-3 off 14 overs

 

[Dr_Bassim]

This aged well How much did NZ get in the power play again?


42-1 off 6 overs and
92-3 off 14 overs

Yeah but this is an anomaly for NZ.

And it would be the norm for Pakistan.

 

[Zaz]

Yeah but this is an anomaly for NZ.

And it would be the norm for Pakistan.

Cricket isnt a computer game where a specific template is the only way to get results and results arent based solely on how quickly you score runs in the power play

Its how well you do over 40 overs Theres many factors that dicatate results, the pitch, quality of fielding, bowling discipline, extras, captaincy, field placings, losing wkts or taking wkts, all impact wins not just the runs you score in pp and as they have shown theres more than one way to skin a cat

On the day pakistan won Thats the bottom line However they do it im not bothered as long as they do

I think some ppers are losing sight of the overall picture here Do you want to count the trees or eat the mangos?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Cricket isnt a computer game where a specific template is the only way to get results and results arent based solely on how quickly you score runs in the power play

Its how well you do over 40 overs Theres many factors that dicatate results, the pitch, quality of fielding, bowling discipline, extras, captaincy, field placings, losing wkts or taking wkts, all impact wins not just the runs you score in pp and as they have shown theres more than one way to skin a cat

On the day pakistan won Thats the bottom line However they do it im not bothered as long as they do

I think some ppers are losing sight of the overall picture here Do you want to count the trees or eat the mangos?

Win the tournaments.

Series deciders.

If they had won the Asia Cup or England series decider or if they win the World Cup their way, no one WOULD complain.

But they have been losing important matches.

Now you can claim all you want this way suits them.

This is about a student who regularly aces his home exams but keeps getting pipped by students who dont excel in home exams but get honours in the final.

Should the student change his methodology and wonder why it keeps happening?

Or should he keep content with topping home exams?

This is what you are advocating.

 

[Zaz]

Win the tournaments.

Series deciders.

If they had won the Asia Cup or England series decider or if they win the World Cup their way, no one WOULD complain.

But they have been losing important matches.

Now you can claim all you want this way suits them.

This is about a student who regularly aces his home exams but keeps getting pipped by students who dont excel in home exams but get honours in the final.

Should the student change his methodology and wonder why it keeps happening?

Or should he keep content with topping home exams?

This is what you are advocating.

You seem to be over estimating this team When have they been acing home t20 series

On paper its a fairly middling team which has two really good batters only and whos bowling is above avge The less said about their fielding the better

The likes of india, aus, england are on paper and man to man much better than pakistan

All fans want them to win What you dont seem to grasp is we dont have players like kohli, moeen ali maxwell etc who can hammer the opposition or take the game away on their day from the middle order

The team is playing above is potential tbh mostly due to the above mentioned strengths

 

[MenInG]

Seems similar today - although intent better?

 

[MenInG]

Shahid Afridi said that the batting team's big plans could put a lot of pressure on the other team if it "comes out with plans to put a big total on the scoreboard while standing on the wicket."

"If scoring 160 runs for the target against Bangladesh was his ‘big intent’ then what is he going to do against stronger teams"

"The actual thing is the beginning. Babar and Rizwan should score chunk of runs [for other batters]"

Afridi said that Rizwan "shouldn't listen to anyone" with the way he was playing right now.

 

[Saj]

The planning seems to be too rigid.

Why not aim higher, be more flexible, think out of the box, instead of this conservative mentality.

 

[Sarwar89]

We shall see, just few more days. Babar is pulling the team and lifting the spirits together.

Our team is not as bad as portrayed.

 

[Sarwar89]

Pakistan played well and NZ played below par.

I hope you are still here for the tri series final.

Counting

We lost the Asia Cup final.

We lost the T20 final match to England at home.

Lets hope we can actually win the tri series so you can actually celebrate instead of one off matches.

This is just the begunning. Our boys are good enough.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

This is just the begunning. Our boys are good enough.

Congratulations.

Even though our openers didn't do anything today and almost made a mess of it, I will still give you a hug for being here.