Outcry, arrests in Turkey over poster depicting sacred Kaaba with LGBT flags

[MenInG]

Two students have been arrested in Turkey on charges of inciting hatred and insulting religious values over a poster depicting Islam’s most sacred site — the Kaaba — with LGBT flags.

Their arrest late on Saturday came after top Turkish officials slammed the poster, displayed at an exhibition in Turkey’s most prestigious Bogazici University. For weeks, students and faculty have been protesting the Turkish president’s appointment of a new rector with links to his ruling party and clashes have broken out with police.

Interior Minister Suleyman Soylu tweeted that “LGBT perverts” had been detained for “disrespecting the Great [Kaaba].” Top government officials from Turkey’s conservative, Islamic-based ruling party condemned the poster.

The poster placed a mythical creature of half-woman and half-snake found in Middle Eastern folklore on the site of worship along with the flags of LGBT, lesbian, trans, and asexual people. The text below said the artwork was a critique of traditional gender roles.

Istanbul’s governor office said five people were initially detained and police were seeking two more suspects. One person was released, two put under house arrest and two were jailed, pending trial.

 

[PakLFC]

Now lets hope people do not go berserk breaking cars and setting fire to buildings.

 

[Mueez]

Now lets hope people do not go berserk breaking cars and setting fire to buildings.

Normal Turkish people have better things to do than rioting over this...

 

[Tubs]

Arresting people for artwork. This is meant to be a secular country. Very sad.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Arresting people for artwork. This is meant to be a secular country. Very sad.

Try reading.

"harges of inciting hatred and insulting religious"

Its a crime in Turkey, they broke the law so rightfully arrested. Or do you want Turkey to ignore its law and do what some bloke called Tubs says on the internent.

lol@artwork.

 

[Nadeemp]

Try reading.

"harges of inciting hatred and insulting religious"

Its a crime in Turkey, they broke the law so rightfully arrested. Or do you want Turkey to ignore its law and do what some bloke called Tubs says on the internent.

lol@artwork.

What stupid laws.

 

[Nadeemp]

Hope to know what act incited hatred. If they actually did do that. That’s wrong. But if the offensive art work is considered inciting hate. That’s just **. Hopefully Turkish public have better things to do and will not amount to street violence like in Islamic republic of Pakistan.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What stupid laws.

Thats your opinion and wont change Turkey's laws.

Majority of Turkish public agree to their laws of the land and would want charges bought on the suspects.

 

[Nadeemp]

Thats your opinion and wont change Turkey's laws.

Majority of Turkish public agree to their laws of the land and would want charges bought on the suspects.

Yes that is correct. I am just giving my opinion .

 

[El Generico]

Now lets hope people do not go berserk breaking cars and setting fire to buildings.

Why would they do that considering the culprits have been arrested? Protesting now wouldn’t even make sense lol.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

People are rightfully outraged. What does one gain from creating this type of 'art' using sacred symbols? Their intention was to cause outrage and thats exactly what they achieved.

 

[Nadeemp]

People are rightfully outraged. What does one gain from creating this type of 'art' using sacred symbols? Their intention was to cause outrage and thats exactly what they achieved.

There is hardly any rage in Turkey. Pakistan maybe. I have not checked.

 

[Stewie]

well the Pope is batting for LGBTQ people, so I guess some people thought its ok to fly the flag over Ka'aba?

I dont know what to say, except this. From time to time these "strange occurrences" happen. From cartoons to quotes to this. I might be in the minority here but I think these incidents are strategically planned to get a rise out of the muslims, so they can start protesting, the protesting turns into rioting and possibly escalating into other disastrous consequences.

Whoever is responsible for it wants to color muslims as idiotic, emotional and extremist, freedom hating maniacs who want to kill and burn whoever doesnt agree with them. This seems like a concerted effort to malign muslims and alienate them at the world stage.

the smart thing is to ignore such crap. My faith and religion does not need defending against anything. We should all feel this way. Getting riled up to burn buses and hurt people only helps the enemy.

 

[JaDed]

well the Pope is batting for LGBTQ people, so I guess some people thought its ok to fly the flag over Ka'aba?

I dont know what to say, except this. From time to time these "strange occurrences" happen. From cartoons to quotes to this. I might be in the minority here but I think these incidents are strategically planned to get a rise out of the muslims, so they can start protesting, the protesting turns into rioting and possibly escalating into other disastrous consequences.

Whoever is responsible for it wants to color muslims as idiotic, emotional and extremist, freedom hating maniacs who want to kill and burn whoever doesnt agree with them. This seems like a concerted effort to malign muslims and alienate them at the world stage.

the smart thing is to ignore such crap. My faith and religion does not need defending against anything. We should all feel this way. Getting riled up to burn buses and hurt people only helps the enemy.

Did the ones who were involved in this incident non-Muslims?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Atheists should find their own symbols instead of borrowing it from religions and then going on to insult it.

 

[Itachi]

Atheists should find their own symbols instead of borrowing it from religions and then going on to insult it.

I think atheists could borrow symbols from monotheism religions as there are not much difference except only 1 God. Remove that from monotheism and you get atheism.

 

[Nadeemp]

Atheists should find their own symbols instead of borrowing it from religions and then going on to insult it.

I would not go there. Religion has “ borrowed “Plenty from others. That’s all I will say

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is outrageous. Deliberately provoking muslims and breaking the law of the land.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I think atheists could borrow symbols from monotheism religions as there are not much difference except only 1 God. Remove that from monotheism and you get atheism.

That is like saying a a dead person is not much different than an alive person, except that the alive person has life. You just want to take a dig at monotheist religions.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I would not go there. Religion has “ borrowed “Plenty from others. That’s all I will say

What has religion borrowed from atheists?

 

[Itachi]

That is like saying a a dead person is not much different than an alive person, except that the alive person has life. You just want to take a dig at monotheist religions.

That was your argument from previous threads lol. I am your follower.

 

[Nadeemp]

What has religion borrowed from atheists?

Religions have borrowed from other religions

 

[CricketCartoons]

Religions have borrowed from other religions

But sherlock, they didn't borrow anything from atheists. These godless people should have their own symbols instead of borrowing from us and mocking it. Are you an atheist? Why don't you go and discuss atheism instead of wasting time on religion?

 

[Nadeemp]

But sherlock, they didn't borrow anything from atheists. These godless people should have their own symbols instead of borrowing from us and mocking it. Are you an atheist? Why don't you go and discuss atheism instead of wasting time on religion?

Einstein if u go back and read my poster I said religions have borrowed from others . Never said atheism. This is gup shup message board. We are having a chat . Chillax brother Cricket cartoon

 

[Bigboii]

Can we as people just stop policing random things for crying out loud...
Someone made an edgy art to get attention and we are giving it to him/her
You don't like it don't buy or watch it let other people who are into it watch or buy the art

Frankly who gives a flying... if they're drawing random things to evoke a response

Best treatment is that of prophet PBUH grand father who when facing an army coming to destroy kabbaa just went to the guy and asked for his camels and told the King that the business of destroying the kabaa is between you and Allah and he'll take care of you in which ever way he sees fit and than we know what happened

It's not our job to jump up and down on every random insidend
Let the God up above take care of business in which ever way he sees fit

 

[Bigboii]

This is outrageous. Deliberately provoking muslims and breaking the law of the land.

At least you have a principaled stance..

 

[Itachi]

At least you have a principaled stance..

Even as an atheist, though I don't believe the concept of sacred place but still, you should respect the sentiments of the people in my opinion. It's just common sense and mutual respect. We don't need to agree with each other but we can still respect each other. Don't we? So I think whatever the groups are, they should respect the feelings of the community in general.

There's freedom of speech but there could be backslash which one should own while exercising the right.

 

[Bigboii]

Even as an atheist, though I don't believe the concept of sacred place but still, you should respect the sentiments of the people in my opinion. It's just common sense and mutual respect. We don't need to agree with each other but we can still respect each other. Don't we? So I think whatever the groups are, they should respect the feelings of the community in general.

There's freedom of speech but there could be backslash which one should own while exercising the right.

But hurting one's sentiment is a slippery slope isn't it?
You not believing in a god and maybe you explaining your reasoning or maybe questioning my beliefs will definitely be considred blasphemous cause you'll definitely end up saying things that are considered blasphemous by mainstream groups (same with any other religious group explaining thier viewpoint)

Should we just jail people cause they're hurting my feelings or society at large? No
This core "logic" stops great ideas from flourishing
So I am against it whole heatedly I don't think we should go by the sentiments of society when deciding matters of free speech

lots of great people in this world started of as blasphemous or hurting the sentiments of the people and they were persucuted for it but after so many years we should realize it just doesn't work!

As a modern society (with the knowledge of history and why stopping people from speaking out isn't a great idea) we should allow the freedoms of people to express themselves in whichever way they see fit (as long as it's not harming other people's well being)

 

[cricketjoshila]

At least you have a principaled stance..

My stand is, do not break the law of the land.

 

[DeadBall]

It's not our job to jump up and down on every random insidend
Let the God up above take care of business in which ever way he sees fit

Again quite ironic, you are coming from a place of good but you still don't grasp the reality of the situation.

Most of these people don't have a rational, balanced view like yours. How many times have you been to Pakistan?

 

[DeadBall]

But hurting one's sentiment is a slippery slope isn't it?
You not believing in a god and maybe you explaining your reasoning or maybe questioning my beliefs will definitely be considred blasphemous cause you'll definitely end up saying things that are considered blasphemous by mainstream groups (same with any other religious group explaining thier viewpoint)

Should we just jail people cause they're hurting my feelings or society at large? No
This core "logic" stops great ideas from flourishing
So I am against it whole heatedly I don't think we should go by the sentiments of society when deciding matters of free speech

lots of great people in this world started of as blasphemous or hurting the sentiments of the people and they were persucuted for it but after so many years we should realize it just doesn't work!

As a modern society (with the knowledge of history and why stopping people from speaking out isn't a great idea) we should allow the freedoms of people to express themselves in whichever way they see fit (as long as it's not harming other people's well being)

This whole post is just . You are falsely equating the values you learned in America to a third world country with many jaahils.

You remind me of a younger me, you will learn in due time.

 

[Bigboii]

Again quite ironic, you are coming from a place of good but you still don't grasp the reality of the situation.

Most of these people don't have a rational, balanced view like yours. How many times have you been to Pakistan?

Hell my father mother who both lived in Pak for years, my parents refused to buy a cable, real conservative, didn't come to US to stay in Pak for years (patriotic/RW) (even though we were us citizens from the day we were born)

But they have the same views as me probably more laxed, you can be conservative/religious but have those views
It's a different way of looking at the world we in Pak seem to generalise religious folks into a box of fantics which I believe is totally unfair it's a huge word out there with diverse ideas


Came to US in 13 or 14 I believe but went thier every year for summer till the internship years

 

[Bigboii]

This whole post is just ��. You are falsely equating the values you learned in America to a third world country with many jaahils.

You remind me of a younger me, you will learn in due time.

But are they the right values/ideas?
I am not interested in tham being applicable in Pakistan (or most of the counties for that matter)
I know they'll never be implemented fully in US let alone pakistan (libertarian type wacko here)

 

[DeadBall]

But are they the right values/ideas?

They are. Just have to give it time, although there are some things so ingrained in our nature that we must fight very hard to resist and rise above. Its a slippery slope, all these things are coded in our DNA during millions of years, it's easy to be civilized in a controlled soceity but you really know what you're made of when the chips are down.

As the true saying goes, you are only as good as soceity lets you be, all the best intentions and ideas go to s*** when the s*** hits the fan. so just try to be the best possible person for as long as you can be.

 

[Barragan]

Well done to Turkey.

The same way there are anti-semitic laws, Turkey also has law against the insult of religion.

 

[Itachi]

But hurting one's sentiment is a slippery slope isn't it?
You not believing in a god and maybe you explaining your reasoning or maybe questioning my beliefs will definitely be considred blasphemous cause you'll definitely end up saying things that are considered blasphemous by mainstream groups (same with any other religious group explaining thier viewpoint)

Should we just jail people cause they're hurting my feelings or society at large? No
This core "logic" stops great ideas from flourishing
So I am against it whole heatedly I don't think we should go by the sentiments of society when deciding matters of free speech

lots of great people in this world started of as blasphemous or hurting the sentiments of the people and they were persucuted for it but after so many years we should realize it just doesn't work!

As a modern society (with the knowledge of history and why stopping people from speaking out isn't a great idea) we should allow the freedoms of people to express themselves in whichever way they see fit (as long as it's not harming other people's well being)

But there's a judiciary system involved here which may deem an X action as illegal. If such is the case, instead of going public, one should voice their opinion through the legal system involved and ask for reformation if they believe required.

Freedom of speech doesn't guarantee that there won't be a repercussion. There will be and you have to face it. If you are starting a revolution, you shouldn't expect that everything will go according to the plan and there will be collateral damage involved. If you are going through it, then you have to accept the reality.

In ideal world, it won't happen. But reality is different and people should be more realistic than idealistic in these cases in my opinion.

 

[Varun]

well the Pope is batting for LGBTQ people, so I guess some people thought its ok to fly the flag over Ka'aba?

I dont know what to say, except this. From time to time these "strange occurrences" happen. From cartoons to quotes to this. I might be in the minority here but I think these incidents are strategically planned to get a rise out of the muslims, so they can start protesting, the protesting turns into rioting and possibly escalating into other disastrous consequences.

Whoever is responsible for it wants to color muslims as idiotic, emotional and extremist, freedom hating maniacs who want to kill and burn whoever doesnt agree with them. This seems like a concerted effort to malign muslims and alienate them at the world stage.

the smart thing is to ignore such crap. My faith and religion does not need defending against anything. We should all feel this way. Getting riled up to burn buses and hurt people only helps the enemy.

I also agree. A parallel - in a cricketing context - seems to be bookies approaching Pakistani players above all else - from Amir, Butt, Asif to Jamshed, Sharjeel and Umar Akmal. Of course, the fact that they get caught and sanctioned is also to do with their stupidity.

 

[Mamoon]

Like Pakistan, Turkey also suffers from severe identity crisis.

Since WWI, it has tried to ape western culture and move away from its Islamic identity, but in recent years, under the leadership of the delusional Erdogan who views himself as an Ottoman caliph, it has tried hard to move away from the westernization and revive the Ottoman glory.

We are witnessing this propaganda through art and film as well, something that obviously appeals to the identity crisis of Pakistan as well.

 

[DeadBall]

Like Pakistan, Turkey also suffers from severe identity crisis.

Since WWI, it has tried to ape western culture and move away from its Islamic identity, but in recent years, under the leadership of the delusional Erdogan who views himself as an Ottoman caliph, it has tried hard to move away from the westernization and revive the Ottoman glory.

We are witnessing this propaganda through art and film as well, something that obviously appeals to the identity crisis of Pakistan as well.

Two thirds of the Turks in Germany voted for Erdogan. I have two very modern Turkish neignbours who have families but they drink and do everything apart from eating pork and don't pray apart from the Eid prayer. The guy was actually mad at me just because I didn't go with him for Eid pryaers after nothing for 2 years. I think most Turkish people due to their parents are also going through an identity crisis.

 

[Tubs]

Try reading.

"harges of inciting hatred and insulting religious"

Its a crime in Turkey, they broke the law so rightfully arrested. Or do you want Turkey to ignore its law and do what some bloke called Tubs says on the internent.

lol@artwork.

You cry and cry about France having restrictions on religious items in schools and government positions. The majority of French citizens agree with them (in reference to what you said in another post), France is really gonna listen to a bloke called KingKhanWC on the internet. Anyone can take issue with the laws of a country, but I'd not expect you to understand much of this given your track record.

And yes, it is artwork. Just as the caricatures of Prophet Muhammad which upset so many people were artwork.

 

[sweep_shot]

These idiots should face full consequences.

This is severe disorderly conduct.

 

[PakLFC]

Why would they do that considering the culprits have been arrested? Protesting now wouldn’t even make sense lol.

Coz they have nothing better to do! They will demand the perpetrator to be hanged!!

 

[DeadlyVenom]

And yes, it is artwork. Just as the caricatures of Prophet Muhammad which upset so many people were artwork.

Whats the point of this artwork may I ask. I can understand that to many people art is meant to move and inspire, but what is there to gain from disgusting images like this.

While its considered haram to have any depictions of Nabi(saw), do you think there would have been a strong reaction had the cartoons had some positive images instead of the filth they produced.

These images were designed to insult and offend. They are not the next Monet painting that will adorn galleries. So for you to say they are just artwork is delusional.

 

[StreetSmart]

Astaghfirullah

 

[Technics 1210]

Like Pakistan, Turkey also suffers from severe identity crisis.

Since WWI, it has tried to ape western culture and move away from its Islamic identity, but in recent years, under the leadership of the delusional Erdogan who views himself as an Ottoman caliph, it has tried hard to move away from the westernization and revive the Ottoman glory.

We are witnessing this propaganda through art and film as well, something that obviously appeals to the identity crisis of Pakistan as well.

Turkey is in the G20, member of NATO, and in the EU customs zone.

Despite having an alledged identity crisis, Turkey's pretty sound.

 

[Technics 1210]

Well done to Turkey.

The same way there are anti-semitic laws, Turkey also has law against the insult of religion.

Correct. None of the athiests/anti /Islam/Pakistani brigade addressing this point.

 

[Nadeemp]

These idiots should face full consequences.

This is severe disorderly conduct.

This is not severe disorderly conduct

 

[Nadeemp]

Correct. None of the athiests/anti /Islam/Pakistani brigade addressing this point.

I think many people here have stated ( in previous posts) that they are against anti semitic laws also.

 

[Technics 1210]

Athiests borrow morality and disciple from theism, and other ideologies, which is why atheisim is intellectually bankrupt.

They have zero clue to what they represent. Case in point, athiests out on their droves defending the right to insult Islam, but will defend the right of Isreal - a promised land by God to the Jews. You couldn't make it up.

 

[Itachi]

Athiests borrow morality and disciple from theism, and other ideologies, which is why atheisim is intellectually bankrupt.

They have zero clue to what they represent. Case in point, athiests out on their droves defending the right to insult Islam, but will defend the right of Isreal - a promised land by God to the Jews. You couldn't make it up.

Haven't Islam borrowed ideology from other abrahamic religions?

 

[Technics 1210]

Haven't Islam borrowed ideology from other abrahamic religions?

Why did you just mention Islam? Why not say Christianity borrowed, or Judaism borrowed?

Even then, If you have read the Qur'an the God of all abrahmic religions is one. Hence Abrahmic faith is known as the monotheistic faith.

Athiesm starts from nothing and ends with nothing, has nothing to offer intellectually, but borrows from all opposing ideologies in between.

 

[Third_Umpire]

All we can hope for now is that the mullahs and jihadis of the world don't go on a killing spree because they didn't like what's on a poster.

 

[Itachi]

Why did you just mention Islam? Why not say Christianity borrowed, or Judaism borrowed?

because Islam is the final revealation and came last.

you didn't answer my question. Did Islam borrow idelogy from other abrahamic religions or not?

 

[Technics 1210]

because Islam is the final revealation and came last.

you didn't answer my question. Did Islam borrow idelogy from other abrahamic religions or not?

You just answered the question yourself. Islam is the final revelation; of the monotheistic faith. It never borrowed, but was the continuation and seal of the Abrahmic faith from Adam (PBUH).

 

[Itachi]

Even then, If you have read the Qur'an the God of all abrahmic religions is one. Hence Abrahmic faith is known as the monotheistic faith.

If I take your logic, then while criticizing the Jewish religion, the muslims are themselves criticizing the Islam itself because since all the three is counted as "one", then throwing insult on one insults the other two.

And since judaism came first, there wasn't any requirement of christianity or islam at all.

 

[Itachi]

You just answered the question yourself. Islam is the final revelation; of the monotheistic faith. It never borrowed, but was the continuation and seal of the Abrahmic faith from Adam (PBUH).

continuation by "borrowing" the same idelogy otherwise, Islam and chritianity just becomes the extension of Judaism and not actually a religion while the Judaism becomes the true religion.

 

[Technics 1210]

If I take your logic, then while criticizing the Jewish religion, the muslims are themselves criticizing the Islam itself because since all the three is counted as "one", then throwing insult on one insults the other two.

And since judaism came first, there wasn't any requirement of christianity or islam at all.

Critisising different interpretations of the one single message of Abrahmic faith since Adam (PBUH) is a different topic altogether.

 

[Itachi]

Critisising different interpretations of the one single message of Abrahmic faith since Adam (PBUH) is a different topic altogether.

God is perfect and his words doesn't change over time and place.

Different interpretation just adulterates the message.

 

[Technics 1210]

God is perfect and his words doesn't change over time and place.

Different interpretation just adulterates the message.

Doh. Of course God is perfect. Humans are not hence misterpretations.

 

[Itachi]

Doh. Of course God is perfect. Humans are not hence misterpretations.

Then why for the same abrahamic faith, three different interpretation (by your logic) came in to place?

 

[Technics 1210]

Then why for the same abrahamic faith, three different interpretation (by your logic) came in to place?

3 different interpretations by man! Same message by God using different messengers.

Which part are you not understanding?

This is the problem with Atheism; seeking answers from other ideologies while Thesim stays within its realms.

 

[Tubs]

Whats the point of this artwork may I ask. I can understand that to many people art is meant to move and inspire, but what is there to gain from disgusting images like this.

While its considered haram to have any depictions of Nabi(saw), do you think there would have been a strong reaction had the cartoons had some positive images instead of the filth they produced.

These images were designed to insult and offend. They are not the next Monet painting that will adorn galleries. So for you to say they are just artwork is delusional.

Well, first 'disgusting' is your subjective opinion, same with 'filth'. Regardless, I'm not sure what the point is, or if there even needs to be a point. I'm just saying that people shouldn't be killed or imprisoned for artwork.

 

[Tubs]

3 different interpretations by man! Same message by God using different messengers.

Which part are you not understanding?

This is the problem with Atheism; seeking answers from other ideologies while Thesim stays within its realms.

An infallible, all-knowing god should know how to deliver their message in a completely unambiguous way. So they are intentionally not doing that. And since man is fallible, how do you know that your faith isn't a complete misunderstanding form what the supposed god intended?

There are also many different moral systems which don't invoke the supernatural, so your points about atheism not being able to be moral without 'stealing' from theism (an unfalsifiable belief at that) is incorrect.

 

[Nadeemp]

Athiests borrow morality and disciple from theism, and other ideologies, which is why atheisim is intellectually bankrupt.

They have zero clue to what they represent. Case in point, athiests out on their droves defending the right to insult Islam, but will defend the right of Isreal - a promised land by God to the Jews. You couldn't make it up.

that is the most ridiculous statement. there might be pro israel atheist/jews/hindus/christians/buddist and vice versa. I am actually gonna stop. That argument is absolutely crazy.

 

[Itachi]

3 different interpretations by man! Same message by God using different messengers.

Which part are you not understanding?

This is the problem with Atheism; seeking answers from other ideologies while Thesim stays within its realms.

According to your words, it seems like Judaism is the true religion and Christianity, Islam are just reiterating the same message of Judaism. Which again brings the subject again, is Islam, Christianity just an extent of Judaism?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Well, first 'disgusting' is your subjective opinion, same with 'filth'. Regardless, I'm not sure what the point is, or if there even needs to be a point. I'm just saying that people shouldn't be killed or imprisoned for artwork.

Killed no but arrested yes.

Hypothetically, say the New York times put out cartoons on the front page with racially offensive images of black people, or if the Pakistan Times put on an offensive image of a Hindu God on its front page. Would you demand censure or would you say its 'artwork'.

Please be honest.

Unfortunately in most cases for people like you only the symbols of Muslims are fair game for 'artwork'.

 

[Nadeemp]

Killed no but arrested yes.

Hypothetically, say the New York times put out cartoons on the front page with racially offensive images of black people, or if the Pakistan Times put on an offensive image of a Hindu God on its front page. Would you demand censure or would you say its 'artwork'.

Please be honest.

Unfortunately in most cases for people like you only the symbols of Muslims are fair game for 'artwork'.

So when some idiot from Egypt made the film on the life of the prophet and released on “YouTube” there was an uproar. Thee actors were threatened , violent protest and so on. Couple of days later there was a full page add taken in from of my newspaper with lord Ganesh, a rabbi and Jesus Christ doing some really offensive stuff together. It was absolutely disgusting. You might have never heard of it as the people of those faiths did not make a big deal out of it. Same should be the reaction Of the muslims when someone does something they find offensive. Long term it will stop happening and they will move on

 

[Technics 1210]

According to your words, it seems like Judaism is the true religion and Christianity, Islam are just reiterating the same message of Judaism. Which again brings the subject again, is Islam, Christianity just an extent of Judaism?

It seems like? As an athiest you have more confusion and less conviction; proving the point.

Which proves why atheisim is a bankrupt ideology.

Any new subject, start a new thread.

PS: Yes, Jesus was born a Jew.

 

[guna]

According to your words, it seems like Judaism is the true religion and Christianity, Islam are just reiterating the same message of Judaism. Which again brings the subject again, is Islam, Christianity just an extent of Judaism?

Judaism has Moses as its central figure. Of course it teaches monotheism and their core principles are the Ten Commandments that God himself wrote and gave to Moses on stone tablets.
Christianity is a heresy according to Judaism as Christians believe that Jesus is part of Trinitarian God. Father, Son and Holyspirit. Jews have no such concept.
Islam does not really reiterate Torah and Gospel of Christ. It has its own concept of God. Though it is monotheistic as per its claims, The God of Islam is different to the Trinitarian God of Christians and Yahweh of Jews. Attributes are different and the hell and heaven of Islam is also different.

Both Islam and Christianity are offshoots of Judaism and are considered heretical by Judaism. Jesus is a nobody to Jews. Jewish prophets are descendants of Isaq. They do not consider Ishmaeel has a prophetic lineage.