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Over 60,000 Indians to lose their jobs in America; over 80% of them women

Once again, who exactly is obsessed with whom... :))
 
cricketjoshila said:
How many news about India? Pakistamis now read India Today?
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You sometimes need to watch tgeir media.. 24/7 india goes their..and mostly they use hindus when they refer india. Hinduo ki yeh mjal..hindu yeh hindu woh...baniye yeh baniye woh..bhrahamnvad yeh brahamanwad woh....whereas in india ,our media is not good but still they refer them as pakistanis and not muslims .
 
I think all people of color should be concerned with Trump's policies and how they affect all PoC.
 
A lot of bright Indians could be returning to India or migrating to other countries soon. I plan to do my MBA from an M-7 (Inshallah) but not sure if I would eventually want to reside in USA.

Indians and migrants from other communities have contributed significantly to the growth of USA. I am curious to know how much this could impact the growth in future.
 
Adijazz1706 said:
Unexpected glass half full post, keep the optimistm flowing bro :19:
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There is a huge social cost of women working, as the role of bread winner still remains with the males and they are expected to take care of the household. Women are good at nurturing the family, but having more of them at workplace has left a vacuum at home, put burden on males due to more competition for jobs, while not doing anything to lessen the burden of traditional responsibilities on males. So this is a good news for a change and even a cynic like me can't help but see the positive side.
 
BreadPakoda said:
A lot of bright Indians could be returning to India or migrating to other countries soon. I plan to do my MBA from an M-7 (Inshallah) but not sure if I would eventually want to reside in USA.

Indians and migrants from other communities have contributed significantly to the growth of USA. I am curious to know how much this could impact the growth in future.
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The US does not need growth as much as they need to reduce unemployment amongst the locals which has led to lots of other problems. Say what you want about Trump, but he's held his end of the bargain domestically.
 
Adijazz1706 said:
The US does not need growth as much as they need to reduce unemployment amongst the locals which has led to lots of other problems. Say what you want about Trump, but he's held his end of the bargain domestically.
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Besides a tragedy occurring, you really cannot be poor in the U.S.

If you work hard and not get in trouble (becoming a parent before married, not having a high school diploma, etc).
 
ManFan said:
Besides a tragedy occurring, you really cannot be poor in the U.S.

If you work hard and not get in trouble (becoming a parent before married, not having a high school diploma, etc).
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That's supposed to be true for most countries, if only it was
 
good. i hope most of those families decide to go back to India. all of those families have stayed there at least 6+ years.. so they have made their money.. right time to go back and live as a first class citizen in a third world country rather than as a third class citizen in a first world country
 
Pakistanian said:
Tbf most indians here don't like trump and tend be more liberal except for some FOBs with complexes lol.
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those who love trump will not be hurt by this move.. those who support trump are already citizens and their goals are different. the ones who will be affected by this move are those who are in H1B. and honestly i feel it is time for them to go back.. i don't understand why would they want to stay
 
Gubol123 said:
those who love trump will not be hurt by this move.. those who support trump are already citizens and their goals are different. the ones who will be affected by this move are those who are in H1B. and honestly i feel it is time for them to go back.. i don't understand why would they want to stay
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America is a first world country and their kids get access to an Amerifan college education. You can't seriously tell me that most people would prefer living in Mumbai over Atlanta or Bangalore over San Francisco :))
 
Pakistanian said:
America is a first world country and their kids get access to an Amerifan college education. You can't seriously tell me that most people would prefer living in Mumbai over Atlanta or Bangalore over San Francisco :))
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you do realize that they are H1Bs right. if their spouses are losing their job, they don't have green cards.. For Indians the current waiting list is more than 15 years for GC. by the time their turn comes kids would be 18 and won't be eligible to stay as dependents. they will have to return back on student visa anyway..

about living in Mumbai, or Bangalore over San Fransciso, that is a personal choice. i cannot make it for all. but if my well educated and well earning spouse is out of job and my kids will go out of status in a few years with no clarity on my GC status, i would be fool to stay. i have lived in four continents. and most of the places for my role my savings would be less if i worked alone compared to both of us working in India. In India, i get to have a maid, a cook, Gardner, five minute walk to my kids school, two minute walk to market, cinema, playground, IPL matches every year, whole family within a couple of hours of drive, and whole lot of other luxuries i can find back home which i like.. after having seen public school in US and the private schools that our kids go to in India, there is hardly any difference for the kids. if kids do prefer to study out of India, why restrict only to US when so many options are available all around the world.

where i lose out is traffic, bureaucracy, corruption, etc. most of the time I work from home anyway and traffic doesn't affect me.. and how many times will i interact with govt, may be once in couple of years. on a personal level it hardly matters. so my quality of life overall is much better in India.. other person's situation may be different. there are three very close relatives who returned to India after staying in US for more than a decade and all of them had GCs.. so it is not so big deal as you are making out to be.. most of those who return get into excellent positions in the same company. one class mate who returned couple of years back has started a school now :)... it might be alien for you to see people giving up western life and returning back to Pakistan, but it is not so unheard of here in India. I personally can quote at least couple of dozens in my extended circle who have done that.

so in summary if i were in that situation i wouldn't hesitate to return..
 
Trump gets a lot of flak but he's in the right here. All those local graduates from universities and professionals need work. Local talent should come before the foreign (visa holders) ones.

Same should be the case in Canada, EU and elsewhere. If you are a local talent you should get priority over the foreign one.
 
ahmedzee said:
Trump gets a lot of flak but he's in the right here. All those local graduates from universities and professionals need work. Local talent should come before the foreign (visa holders) ones.

Same should be the case in Canada, EU and elsewhere. If you are a local talent you should get priority over the foreign one.
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Idk about that. We live in a globalized world, these visas are for people with a skillset in shortage over here and there isn't a supply of 'local talent' in some fields or the growth is far ahead of the number of skilled people produced. There are Indian companies that have gamed the system but that isn't what the H1b or work visas were intended for, they were always for positions and skillsets that are scarce yet in demand.
 
Gubol123 said:
you do realize that they are H1Bs right. if their spouses are losing their job, they don't have green cards.. For Indians the current waiting list is more than 15 years for GC. by the time their turn comes kids would be 18 and won't be eligible to stay as dependents. they will have to return back on student visa anyway..

about living in Mumbai, or Bangalore over San Fransciso, that is a personal choice. i cannot make it for all. but if my well educated and well earning spouse is out of job and my kids will go out of status in a few years with no clarity on my GC status, i would be fool to stay. i have lived in four continents. and most of the places for my role my savings would be less if i worked alone compared to both of us working in India. In India, i get to have a maid, a cook, Gardner, five minute walk to my kids school, two minute walk to market, cinema, playground, IPL matches every year, whole family within a couple of hours of drive, and whole lot of other luxuries i can find back home which i like.. after having seen public school in US and the private schools that our kids go to in India, there is hardly any difference for the kids. if kids do prefer to study out of India, why restrict only to US when so many options are available all around the world.

where i lose out is traffic, bureaucracy, corruption, etc. most of the time I work from home anyway and traffic doesn't affect me.. and how many times will i interact with govt, may be once in couple of years. on a personal level it hardly matters. so my quality of life overall is much better in India.. other person's situation may be different. there are three very close relatives who returned to India after staying in US for more than a decade and all of them had GCs.. so it is not so big deal as you are making out to be.. most of those who return get into excellent positions in the same company. one class mate who returned couple of years back has started a school now :)... it might be alien for you to see people giving up western life and returning back to Pakistan, but it is not so unheard of here in India. I personally can quote at least couple of dozens in my extended circle who have done that.

so in summary if i were in that situation i wouldn't hesitate to return..
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You're a dependent unti 21, so that's 3 years of college.
 
Know quite a few Indians and Pakistani who are uncertain about their future in US.

Most of them do not know if their visa will be renewed. And, if their visa is renewed then their spouse will be not allowed to work.

Not a good sign for immigrant workers on Hb1 visa. My neighbors visa expires end of this year and he is uncertain about his future in US. He is qualified to get any job in US but apparently might not be qualified to get the visa.
 
some Indian might be butt hurt to get this real news but when it close to home it become a tragedy.

Quite of few good Indian friends will be missed if their visa aren't renewed.
 
Pakistanian said:
You're a dependent unti 21, so that's 3 years of college.
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yeah true, but remember many of these are over achieving kids.. may get into medicine, have interests in post graduation etc, they will need to take a break.. makes no sense to run around.. read the article below and decide for yourself..

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ave-to-leave-america/articleshow/61166125.cms

for someone who just migrated to US and making his money it makes a huge difference whether he stays in India or in US. they will definitely make more money although difference is not that much if the spouse is not working. quality of life wll also be better in the short term. but over a long period when you consider kids, their future, spouse lack of career, staying away from parent, much improved financial situation, going back is extremely enticing.. since many of these have already stayed in US for more than a decade it is no big deal financially although kids will struggle initially to adjust to culture and new school. but if they are young it is a matter of few months
 
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www787 said:
some Indian might be butt hurt to get this real news but when it close to home it become a tragedy.

Quite of few good Indian friends will be missed if their visa aren't renewed.
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as Monk say, they will thank trump later :)
 
akki said:
You sometimes need to watch tgeir media.. 24/7 india goes their..and mostly they use hindus when they refer india. Hinduo ki yeh mjal..hindu yeh hindu woh...baniye yeh baniye woh..bhrahamnvad yeh brahamanwad woh....whereas in india ,our media is not good but still they refer them as pakistanis and not muslims .
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This is just a flat out lie lol.

I watch most Pakistan mainstream talk shows and the main topics lately have been Panama/Court cases/elections and Nawaz Sharif. I am assuming you probably watched a few YouTube clips and you now think that's all they show. Try watching a live stream instead of isolated YouTube clips and you will see that India is barely ever mentioned.


PS I have been watching Pakistani channels since I was a kid and I have never seen /heard anyone use the word brahamnawad, I doubt 99% of Pakistanis even know what that means,
 
So Trump was recently a God in India being worshipped and all. What will he be now?
 
ahmedzee said:
Trump gets a lot of flak but he's in the right here. All those local graduates from universities and professionals need work. Local talent should come before the foreign (visa holders) ones.

Same should be the case in Canada, EU and elsewhere. If you are a local talent you should get priority over the foreign one.
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So what should be the criteria for Canada ,PR? Coz most are getting that nowadays very rare are other work visas,just saying.
 
JaDed said:
Canada doesn't even have 1/5th of the jobs that US has atleast in tech.
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I know but it's a first world country, most similar to America in terms of culture and lifestyle. They also have access to better public education and healthcare and they can travel to America without visa making it easier to move later on in the future.
 
Sensible decision. Indian IT firms abuse the H1B system a lot

In any case my personal opinion is that H1B should prioritise people with American education. Right now many of the H1B folks I used to meet were just randomly plucked out of Hyderabad or some other random Indian city and be dropped in an Anerican city. No assimilation or understanding of American culture and no attempt to learn either!
 
Gubol123 said:
you do realize that they are H1Bs right. if their spouses are losing their job, they don't have green cards.. For Indians the current waiting list is more than 15 years for GC. by the time their turn comes kids would be 18 and won't be eligible to stay as dependents. they will have to return back on student visa anyway..

about living in Mumbai, or Bangalore over San Fransciso, that is a personal choice. i cannot make it for all. but if my well educated and well earning spouse is out of job and my kids will go out of status in a few years with no clarity on my GC status, i would be fool to stay. i have lived in four continents. and most of the places for my role my savings would be less if i worked alone compared to both of us working in India. In India, i get to have a maid, a cook, Gardner, five minute walk to my kids school, two minute walk to market, cinema, playground, IPL matches every year, whole family within a couple of hours of drive, and whole lot of other luxuries i can find back home which i like.. after having seen public school in US and the private schools that our kids go to in India, there is hardly any difference for the kids. if kids do prefer to study out of India, why restrict only to US when so many options are available all around the world.

where i lose out is traffic, bureaucracy, corruption, etc. most of the time I work from home anyway and traffic doesn't affect me.. and how many times will i interact with govt, may be once in couple of years. on a personal level it hardly matters. so my quality of life overall is much better in India.. other person's situation may be different. there are three very close relatives who returned to India after staying in US for more than a decade and all of them had GCs.. so it is not so big deal as you are making out to be.. most of those who return get into excellent positions in the same company. one class mate who returned couple of years back has started a school now :)... it might be alien for you to see people giving up western life and returning back to Pakistan, but it is not so unheard of here in India. I personally can quote at least couple of dozens in my extended circle who have done that.

so in summary if i were in that situation i wouldn't hesitate to return..
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While you paint a rosy picture we both know that this is not the case

I've seen so many Indians (and other nationalities as well tbh - but Indians in majority) pulling all kind of stuff to ensure that they stay in the US by hook or by crook and do not have to go back to India.
 
Slog said:
Sensible decision. Indian IT firms abuse the H1B system a lot

In any case my personal opinion is that H1B should prioritise people with American education. Right now many of the H1B folks I used to meet were just randomly plucked out of Hyderabad or some other random Indian city and be dropped in an Anerican city. No assimilation or understanding of American culture and no attempt to learn either!
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They do have a dedicated 20 k slot don't they, the ones educated in USA.

And you are basically saying all h1bs don't assimilate, I'm on one could you let me know what is the criteria for understanding or assimilation?
 
JaDed said:
They do have a dedicated 20 k slot don't they, the ones educated in USA.

And you are basically saying all h1bs don't assimilate, I'm on one could you let me know what is the criteria for understanding or assimilation?
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20k slot is for Masters I believe, not an American degree specifically.

As for the assimilation part ofcourse it's a subjective comment on my part and just my opinion.

Basically in my observation I saw that folks (Indians or otherwise) who did their studies in the US were generally more integrated in the society and more understanding of the culture than the Indians airdropped into the US on H1Bs. And it's understandable also.

Obviously if you spend your important years in a country and you get educated, meet different people and grow as a person there you will be more integrated than if you land in a country as a 28-30+ years old and work long hours in an IT job, living with and spending time with other people from your region.
 
People should really look up Thomas Sowell if they want to truly understand American socio-economics.
 
FreakCricket said:
I hope they ban all the h1b's so more jobs for us :)
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That's not how it works dude. We have a huge shortage of doctors and health professionals and most of them come on this visa. Just cause we ban this visa doesn't mean that magically there will be skilled people in certain fields to fill up the vacancies. In order for an employer to sponsor an employee for a work permit they have to prove that they exhausted all their options and can't find somebody here to do the job. The problem is that Indian companies have gamed the system but bigger companies like IBM and Amazon don't do that, they would only hire somebody if they had a special skillset.
 
Next move by the administration is expected in June. To the best of my knowledge, none of the H4 EAD holders have lost their jobs as of now.

Pakistanis as usual are celebrating an apparently negative news on India based on speculative reporting!

Also worth clarifying that even if passed, this move only affects the spouses, not the primary visa holders who hold the H1B visa.

So I suggest our Pakistani friends put their champagne away and save it for another day.
 
Pakistanian said:
That's not how it works dude. We have a huge shortage of doctors and health professionals and most of them come on this visa. Just cause we ban this visa doesn't mean that magically there will be skilled people in certain fields to fill up the vacancies. In order for an employer to sponsor an employee for a work permit they have to prove that they exhausted all their options and can't find somebody here to do the job. The problem is that Indian companies have gamed the system but bigger companies like IBM and Amazon don't do that, they would only hire somebody if they had a special skillset.
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h1b only accounts for 1.4% for doctors and health professionals, its the Tech Workers eating the chunk.
 
I am happy that I am out of there. My wife was one of the H4's working in a top insurance company. I had run out of patience after living there for 14 years. I am happy now in Australia. No need to worry about H1B extensions etc..US needs to improve their immigration policies and improve their adjudication policies as well.
 
CricketCartoons said:
There is a huge social cost of women working, as the role of bread winner still remains with the males and they are expected to take care of the household. Women are good at nurturing the family, but having more of them at workplace has left a vacuum at home, put burden on males due to more competition for jobs, while not doing anything to lessen the burden of traditional responsibilities on males. So this is a good news for a change and even a cynic like me can't help but see the positive side.
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This is the worst ever post on PP!!! It's backwards thinking and just shows the patriarchal society will never vanish in the subcontinent culture. Women are more or equally educated as men these days and need their opportunities.
 
Slog said:
While you paint a rosy picture we both know that this is not the case

I've seen so many Indians (and other nationalities as well tbh - but Indians in majority) pulling all kind of stuff to ensure that they stay in the US by hook or by crook and do not have to go back to India.
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i can talk for myself and my close family and friends.. it is true for them. i don't know your situation. regarding people pulling all kinds of stuff, sure i have seen. i have met several illegal Pakistanis driving taxi here. what does that have to with the topic at hand. these are h1bs what illegal can they pull. they won't have a job if they overstay
 
FreakCricket said:
h1b only accounts for 1.4% for doctors and health professionals, its the Tech Workers eating the chunk.
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I addressed that part of your comment. Microsoft and other big tech companies only hire people with special skill sets that they can't find here cause of the demand. The problem is the indian "software"/immigration mills who have been scamming the system by hiring people for the most basic entry level jobs just so they can migrate here.
 
rhony said:
This is the worst ever post on PP!!! It's backwards thinking and just shows the patriarchal society will never vanish in the subcontinent culture. Women are more or equally educated as men these days and need their opportunities.
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so we have a SJW here. Agreed women need their opportunities and equal rights, but they also need to share equal duties. The burden of paying off home loans, maintenance, medical bills, taking care of parents, getting younger siblings married etc all depend on the male child. But when it comes to rights, the female child comes to ask for equal share in property? Men have to take all the burden, and then fight for job opportunities with females. Men are providers, female are nurturers. It has worked for the last 5000 years and will work for the next 5000 years.
 
rhony said:
This is the worst ever post on PP!!! It's backwards thinking and just shows the patriarchal society will never vanish in the subcontinent culture. Women are more or equally educated as men these days and need their opportunities.
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That post is pretty deep in my opinion.

Things are not so black and white.

Several decades back, our society was 100% patriarchal. Now (in educated circles), its all equality without context.

This is not to say women shouldn't work or be educated but they do hav certain social responsibilities just like males.

Its a big topic and an interesting discussion for sure.
 
CricketCartoons said:
so we have a SJW here. Agreed women need their opportunities and equal rights, but they also need to share equal duties. The burden of paying off home loans, maintenance, medical bills, taking care of parents, getting younger siblings married etc all depend on the male child. But when it comes to rights, the female child comes to ask for equal share in property? Men have to take all the burden, and then fight for job opportunities with females. Men are providers, female are nurturers. It has worked for the last 5000 years and will work for the next 5000 years.
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The burden of paying home loans, maintenance, medicall bills etc are not only on men. Hence the attempt for a double income in a house hold. There are equal responsibilities in parenthood. Just because bullock carts worked in the past, and just because we lived for 4900 years without electricity doesn't mean we should continue doing that. Educated and working women in the household will not only help in alleviating financial burdens but also in better decision making as families.
 
Gubol123 said:
i can talk for myself and my close family and friends.. it is true for them. i don't know your situation. regarding people pulling all kinds of stuff, sure i have seen. i have met several illegal Pakistanis driving taxi here. what does that have to with the topic at hand. these are h1bs what illegal can they pull. they won't have a job if they overstay
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When did I say Pakistanis are exempt from this?
But I said it's mostly Indians and that is factual simply because there are just so many Indians to begin with.
 
ahmedzee said:
Hire local graduates, PR or citizen. Period!
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Who else do they hire? All tech requires PR /CITIZEN unless you are talking against the Express entry low points,not sure what your issue is with existing employment issues.
 
Slog said:
When did I say Pakistanis are exempt from this?
But I said it's mostly Indians and that is factual simply because there are just so many Indians to begin with.
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no you didn't say, neither did I. I just said there are illegals out here, but that won't be the case with the people we are talking here. ALl of them are here legally and they cannot do anything illegal to stay here. They can and most probably will do everything legally to stay if that is what they want to do. i have seen both ways.. people who are happy to go back and others who want to stay and do what needs to be done..
 
JaDed said:
Who else do they hire? All tech requires PR /CITIZEN unless you are talking against the Express entry low points,not sure what your issue is with existing employment issues.
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Unemployment of Canadian graduates is the issue with the current system in place.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/millennial-jobs-education-1.4009295


And yes, hiring those with no Canadian education and no Canadian experience is an issue, since companies don't have to pay as much to them. It is a fact! Can't provide it since I don't have time to google for someone else.
 
ahmedzee said:
Unemployment of Canadian graduates is the issue with the current system in place.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/millennial-jobs-education-1.4009295


And yes, hiring those with no Canadian education and no Canadian experience is an issue, since companies don't have to pay as much to them. It is a fact! Can't provide it since I don't have time to google for someone else.
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Yes but people from around the world are getting PR without Canadian education and getting jobs, and then they are hired.

Your point is they should get PR after Canadian education?
 
ahmedzee said:
Unemployment of Canadian graduates is the issue with the current system in place.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/millennial-jobs-education-1.4009295


And yes, hiring those with no Canadian education and no Canadian experience is an issue, since companies don't have to pay as much to them. It is a fact! Can't provide it since I don't have time to google for someone else.
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I'd have to disagree. Canada is far worse than America when it comes to hiring immigrants, it's a well known fact that you can't find work in Canada unless you have socalled "Canadian work experience". Shutting out immigrants is just covert racism and this is coming from somebody born and raised in America. Why bring in immigrants if y'all don't want to hire them, I find fascinating how most of my Pakistani relatives had little difficultly finding a white collar job in America yet my relatives in Canada have faced obstacles just cause they don't have Canadian work experience despite having worked in America and Europe. Canada has an outdated policy about immigrants and it's just covert racism. Imagine the uproar in Canada if we banned Canadians from working down here cause they don't have American work experience.
 
To add to my comment above, I think a big reason why immigrants find it less difficult to find a white collar job in America is because of how big our market is compared to Canada's much smaller economy, > 80% which is tied to America, and this likely the reason for the archaic policy of only hiring people with socalled "Canadian work experience".
 
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To add to my comment above, I think a big reason why immigrants find it less difficult to find a white collar job in America is because of how big our market is compared to Canada's much smaller economy, > 80% which is tied to America, and this likely the reason for the archaic policy of only hiring people with socalled "Canadian work experience".
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America is far far more open to immigrants than any other country, including Canada.. That is my personal opinion after having lived various countries in North America, Europe, Australia, Singapore, etc... Singapore is actually quite good for immigrants but the lifestyle is no way comparable to US.
 
America might have more opportunities and willing employers to hire immigrants but their govt's Visa policies will deter these employers in the future from hiring overseas talents. I worked for a major corporation for about 14 years there and never had issues with visa but again the visa policies in the US is still archaic.
 
giri26 said:
America might have more opportunities and willing employers to hire immigrants but their govt's Visa policies will deter these employers in the future from hiring overseas talents. I worked for a major corporation for about 14 years there and never had issues with visa but again the visa policies in the US is still archaic.
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A US company for whom I work as a consultant didn't process the h1b of the sole indian guy in their team, and are instead hiring 3 guys in india. His loss as been my and india's gain.
 
JaDed said:
Yes but people from around the world are getting PR without Canadian education and getting jobs, and then they are hired.

Your point is they should get PR after Canadian education?
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Pakistanian said:
I'd have to disagree. Canada is far worse than America when it comes to hiring immigrants, it's a well known fact that you can't find work in Canada unless you have socalled "Canadian work experience". Shutting out immigrants is just covert racism and this is coming from somebody born and raised in America. Why bring in immigrants if y'all don't want to hire them, I find fascinating how most of my Pakistani relatives had little difficultly finding a white collar job in America yet my relatives in Canada have faced obstacles just cause they don't have Canadian work experience despite having worked in America and Europe. Canada has an outdated policy about immigrants and it's just covert racism. Imagine the uproar in Canada if we banned Canadians from working down here cause they don't have American work experience.
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Pakistanian said:
To add to my comment above, I think a big reason why immigrants find it less difficult to find a white collar job in America is because of how big our market is compared to Canada's much smaller economy, > 80% which is tied to America, and this likely the reason for the archaic policy of only hiring people with socalled "Canadian work experience".
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My point is that most of the graduates are unemployed (including IT & Engineering). Reason being foreign workers are preferred. YES, that is the ground reality. Sure you may have encountered the whole "Canadian Experience" requirement, but a lot of foreign workers are being hired internationally, by tech companies and banks. I work for a top Oil & Gas company in Canada and even we hire our IT staff from India and middle-east, not from Canadian Universities. That's the ground reality.

Hence why I came up with my first comment, that locals should be preferred always, specially those who graduated here.
 
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