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So I was looking at the overall test records of Asian teams outside Asia. Outside Asia here means ( SENA + WI+ Zim+ Ireland)
The records are as follows.

Pakistan

Matches Played 180
Matches Won 44
Matches Drawn 50
Matches Lost 86

W/L ratio = 0.511

India

Matches Played 215
Matches Won 35
Matches Drawn 78
Matches Lost 102

W/L ratio = 0.343

Sri Lanka

Matches Played 90
Matches Won 16
Matches Drawn 25
Matches Lost 49

W/L ratio = 0.326

Bangladesh

Matches Played 36
Matches Won 3
Matches Drawn 2
Matches Lost 31

W/L ratio = 0.096

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

So, its clear from the above mentioned records, that Overall Pakistan has been the best Asian touring side outside Asia by a country mile.
 
[MENTION=16]Amjid Javed[/MENTION] [MENTION=64288]ethan hunt[/MENTION] What do you reckon ?
 
SL W/L is highly inflated by wins against Zimbabwe. If we remove Zim and Ireland and then count, the record is:-

Pakistan 0.42
India 0.32
SL 0.20
BD 0.07
 
SL W/L is highly inflated by wins against Zimbabwe. If we remove Zim and Ireland and then count, the record is:-

Pakistan 0.42
India 0.32
SL 0.20
BD 0.07

Zimbabwe shouldn't be removed. Both Pakistan and India have lost 2 matches each in Zimbabwe, while Sri Lanka haven't lost any:inti
 
IMO this thread shows that most of pakistani's want to live in the past, every one knows Pakistan was the best Asian side till 2000's Pakistan's downfall came after losing 99 WC Final & India starting rising after that Australia series at home.
 
IMO this thread shows that most of pakistani's want to live in the past, every one knows Pakistan was the best Asian side till 2000's Pakistan's downfall came after losing 99 WC Final & India starting rising after that Australia series at home.
No one is living in the past here. These are the overall records of the Asian teams outside Asia I have posted. By the way I also posted the series records of Asian teams in SENA in the last 10 years recently.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...cords-of-Asian-teams-in-SENA-in-last-10-years

Also posted the records of Asian teams in SENA since 2000

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ies-records-of-Asian-teams-in-SENA-since-2000
 
Even West Indies fans probably don't care about living in the past as they were the best side in the World forget Asia!
 
But still comfortably ahead though. A different in W/L ratio of 0.13.

Maybe that's why the extra attachment with the past.

The difference in W/L ratio pre 2000 is of gigantic proportions.

Pakistan' W/L ratio (pre 2000) =0.571
India's W/L ratio ( pre 2000) = 0.19

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

So post 2000, the difference between the two teams isn't nearly as big as it was it was pre 2000. Pakistan have still been competitive outside Asia post 2000 ( W/L ratio of 0.454) isn't bad, while India was just horrible outside Asia pre 2000 as their W/L ratio of 0.19 demonstrates.
 
Zimbabwe shouldn't be removed. Both Pakistan and India have lost 2 matches each in Zimbabwe, while Sri Lanka haven't lost any:inti

Sri Lanka have been lucky not to play them in Zimbabwe at their best and even then Zim were just decent, nothing special.
 
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The difference in W/L ratio pre 2000 is of gigantic proportions.

Pakistan' W/L ratio (pre 2000) =0.571
India's W/L ratio ( pre 2000) = 0.19

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

So post 2000, the difference between the two teams isn't nearly as big as it was it was pre 2000. Pakistan have still been competitive outside Asia post 2000 ( W/L ratio of 0.454) isn't bad, while India was just horrible outside Asia pre 2000 as their W/L ratio of 0.19 demonstrates.

I’m not sure with these stats what you are trying to prove apart from the consistent and shambolic decline of PAK cricket. More or less everyone accepted that for two decades between 1980-00, PAK was a better team than India and much better tourists. In fact, fir 1980s, it was comfortably second best team in world behind an ATG outfit.

Overall record has absolutely nothing to do where the current or contemporary state of cricket. In Soccer, England still leads Head to Head against almost every team because of their dominance before WW2, or Hungary still holds better H2H against Brazil (because in last 50 years these two teams have hardly played each other’s).

Please do it by decades and without looking into the figures, I can tell the comparison won’t look pretty for last two decades. Between historic data and trend, the second one is always more relevant.
 
The difference in W/L ratio pre 2000 is of gigantic proportions.

Pakistan' W/L ratio (pre 2000) =0.571
India's W/L ratio ( pre 2000) = 0.19

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

So post 2000, the difference between the two teams isn't nearly as big as it was it was pre 2000. Pakistan have still been competitive outside Asia post 2000 ( W/L ratio of 0.454) isn't bad, while India was just horrible outside Asia pre 2000 as their W/L ratio of 0.19 demonstrates.

Don't think you got my point.

I'm not comparing the gaps between India and Pakistan of pre &post 2000s. I'm just saying that India have been comfortably ahead of Pakistan ( albeit not as ahead as Pakistan were pre 2000s ) since 2000s as the W/L ratio suggests and maybe.... just maybe that might be the reason for you going back and reminiscing the past... which you denied ofcourse but.....
 
I’m not sure with these stats what you are trying to prove apart from the consistent and shambolic decline of PAK cricket. More or less everyone accepted that for two decades between 1980-00, PAK was a better team than India and much better tourists. In fact, fir 1980s, it was comfortably second best team in world behind an ATG outfit.

Overall record has absolutely nothing to do where the current or contemporary state of cricket. In Soccer, England still leads Head to Head against almost every team because of their dominance before WW2, or Hungary still holds better H2H against Brazil (because in last 50 years these two teams have hardly played each other’s).

Please do it by decades and without looking into the figures, I can tell the comparison won’t look pretty for last two decades. Between historic data and trend, the second one is always more relevant.

I already posted the records for the Asian teams since 2000.

Since 2000

India W/L ratio = 0.589
Pakistan W/L ratio = 0.454
Sri Lanka W/L ratio = 0.371
Bangladesh W/L ratio = 0.096

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

So the difference between Pakistan and India post 2000 isn't that huge to be honest. But there was huge difference between the two teams in the pre 2000 period.
 
Sri Lanka have been lucky not to play them in Zimbabwe at their best and even then Zim were just decent, nothing special.

Not really, Sri Lanka won the series in Zimbabwe in 1999, while India lost in Zimbabwe in 1998 and only managed to draw the series in 2001.
 
I already posted the records for the Asian teams since 2000.

Since 2000

India W/L ratio = 0.589
Pakistan W/L ratio = 0.454
Sri Lanka W/L ratio = 0.371
Bangladesh W/L ratio = 0.096

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

So the difference between Pakistan and India post 2000 isn't that huge to be honest. But there was huge difference between the two teams in the pre 2000 period.

I have seen that stats bro.

Do it like this 1981-90, 91-00, 01-10, 11-20: you’ll see a massive drop.

Also, if you compare pre 2000 vs post 2000, the swing is massive, that too not considering that pre 2000 era consists of 1952-1970 period as well.

Any way, it’s not even debatable that pre 2000 PAK was much better tourist than India though they did win series in WIN & ENG (& a close 2-3 against Packer reject Australia). But, it’s apparent also that there is absolutely no comparison other way in last 10-12 years and unfortunately going forward the gap is widening alarmingly by every phase.

I can do a [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] job here writing popular staffs like the quality of Indian pacers in coming days or how Natrajan is like 8th in PAK packing order among left arm pacers (imagine Ziaul Haque or Mir Hamza taking three wickets against Aussies on first innings ...). but the mind blowing fact is that they are dominating Aussies in Australia without 7-8 regulars and excluding first pick 6-7 bowlers - bar one odd session, with a full squad India could have won this series 4-0 or at least 3-1!!!!! It just shows the depth of the squad and trust me it’s not because of 1.4bn population.

This sort of post or stats will only make knowledgeable Pakistani posters/fans sad because trolls (not judging you, relax) will do Bhangra on such half cooked stats and then Indians will rub it with added slat.
 
I have seen that stats bro.

Do it like this 1981-90, 91-00, 01-10, 11-20: you’ll see a massive drop.

Also, if you compare pre 2000 vs post 2000, the swing is massive, that too not considering that pre 2000 era consists of 1952-1970 period as well.

Any way, it’s not even debatable that pre 2000 PAK was much better tourist than India though they did win series in WIN & ENG (& a close 2-3 against Packer reject Australia). But, it’s apparent also that there is absolutely no comparison other way in last 10-12 years and unfortunately going forward the gap is widening alarmingly by every phase.

I can do a [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] job here writing popular staffs like the quality of Indian pacers in coming days or how Natrajan is like 8th in PAK packing order among left arm pacers (imagine Ziaul Haque or Mir Hamza taking three wickets against Aussies on first innings ...). but the mind blowing fact is that they are dominating Aussies in Australia without 7-8 regulars and excluding first pick 6-7 bowlers - bar one odd session, with a full squad India could have won this series 4-0 or at least 3-1!!!!! It just shows the depth of the squad and trust me it’s not because of 1.4bn population.

This sort of post or stats will only make knowledgeable Pakistani posters/fans sad because trolls (not judging you, relax) will do Bhangra on such half cooked stats and then Indians will rub it with added slat.

Bhai, don't swing to other side of pendulum just for sake of it.

Even in last decade, 1st January 2011 to 31 December 2020: Pak have had a better SENA record than all Asian teams.

And we have had a ridiculous decline and are a joke team. Whole PP acknowledges that. 95% of posts/threads here bash Pak team, cricketers and coaching staff.

These are facts.

I think Indians should be sad, supposedly they have the greatest team to ever play cricket and they have zilch to show for it.

Oh and btw, Aussies have had only 1 batsman this series (Labu), both Warner and Smith haven't had any impact on the series' results so far. What dominance? Are you watching the same series as rest of us?
 
Bhai, don't swing to other side of pendulum just for sake of it.

Even in last decade, 1st January 2011 to 31 December 2020: Pak have had a better SENA record than all Asian teams.

And we have had a ridiculous decline and are a joke team. Whole PP acknowledges that. 95% of posts/threads here bash Pak team, cricketers and coaching staff.

These are facts.

I think Indians should be sad, supposedly they have the greatest team to ever play cricket and they have zilch to show for it.

Oh and btw, Aussies have had only 1 batsman this series (Labu), both Warner and Smith haven't had any impact on the series' results so far. What dominance? Are you watching the same series as rest of us?
It is not our greatest team to play cricket by any margin.
It is still and imbalanced team, where bowlers have become better but batsmen are still average.

The point is, because of money being pumped into the system and facilities/domestic cricket salaries/lucrative IPL contract, the kids today and their parents want to play cricket as a sports.
School cricket was always strong, It has become more stronger.

Imagine this, Natarajan, used to sell chicken with his mother on road side run down shop some 3-4 years ago. He gets into IPL, gets life changing contract, Further works on his skills and fitness, and in his first outing in Gabba picks up three wickets. Plenty a great bowling attacks here have been creamed for lots of runs, Even by Warner, Labu alone.
The no fear approach will further increase with this team. Our greatest is yet to come.

The Gap, is increasing at bigger rate.
Upto Pakistan to invest back the money they earn into their cricket rather then PCB honchos making all the money.
 
Bhai, don't swing to other side of pendulum just for sake of it.

Even in last decade, 1st January 2011 to 31 December 2020: Pak have had a better SENA record than all Asian teams.

And we have had a ridiculous decline and are a joke team. Whole PP acknowledges that. 95% of posts/threads here bash Pak team, cricketers and coaching staff.

These are facts.

I think Indians should be sad, supposedly they have the greatest team to ever play cricket and they have zilch to show for it.

Oh and btw, Aussies have had only 1 batsman this series (Labu), both Warner and Smith haven't had any impact on the series' results so far. What dominance? Are you watching the same series as rest of us?

Aussies are picking their best XI bar Warner for first two Tests - having impact or not hardly matters. I’m pretty sure I’m watching most part of the series - it starts at perfect time for Toronto during lock down period and two of those were in middle of happy holidays... and, India is dominating this series - lost only Test after a first innings lead for one bad session... since then kept losing toss, kept losing players left right & centre and still two Aussie cheats in whites had to be shamelessly exposed to save them at SCG. Even at Gabba, had India batted first with this XI, Aussies would have needed their umpires to play for them.
 
I have seen that stats bro.

Do it like this 1981-90, 91-00, 01-10, 11-20: you’ll see a massive drop.

Also, if you compare pre 2000 vs post 2000, the swing is massive, that too not considering that pre 2000 era consists of 1952-1970 period as well.

Any way, it’s not even debatable that pre 2000 PAK was much better tourist than India though they did win series in WIN & ENG (& a close 2-3 against Packer reject Australia). But, it’s apparent also that there is absolutely no comparison other way in last 10-12 years and unfortunately going forward the gap is widening alarmingly by every phase.

I can do a [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] job here writing popular staffs like the quality of Indian pacers in coming days or how Natrajan is like 8th in PAK packing order among left arm pacers (imagine Ziaul Haque or Mir Hamza taking three wickets against Aussies on first innings ...). but the mind blowing fact is that they are dominating Aussies in Australia without 7-8 regulars and excluding first pick 6-7 bowlers - bar one odd session, with a full squad India could have won this series 4-0 or at least 3-1!!!!! It just shows the depth of the squad and trust me it’s not because of 1.4bn population.

This sort of post or stats will only make knowledgeable Pakistani posters/fans sad because trolls (not judging you, relax) will do Bhangra on such half cooked stats and then Indians will rub it with added slat.

Ok, I am posting records for each decade starting from 1930's, since in 1930's India debuted in test cricket.

From 1930-1939
India
Matches Played 4
Matches Won 0
Matches Drawn 1
Matches Lost 3

W/L ratio = 0.00

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 1940-1949

India
Matches Played 8
Matches Won 0
Matches Drawn 3
Matches Lost 5

W/L ratio =0.00

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 1950-1959

Pakistan
Matches Played 9
Matches Won 2
Matches Drawn 3
Matches Lost 4

W/L ratio = 0.5

India ( From 1950-1959)

Matches Played 14
Matches Won 0
Matches Drawn 5
Matches Lost 9

W/L ratio = 0.00

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 1960-1969

Pakistan
Matches Played 12
Matches Won 0
Matches Drawn 6
Matches Lost 6

W/L ratio = 0.00

India ( From 1960-1969)

Matches Played 16
Matches Won 3
Matches Drawn 0
Matches Lost 13

W/L ratio = 0.23

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 1970-1979

Pakistan
Matches Played 28
Matches Won 5
Matches Drawn 13
Matches Lost 10

W/L ratio = 0.5

India ( From 1970-1979)

Matches Played 27
Matches Won 6
Matches Drawn 11
Matches Lost 10

W/L ratio = 0.6

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 1980-1989

Pakistan

Matches Played 24
Matches Won 4
Matches Drawn 11
Matches Lost 9

W/L ratio = 0.444

India (From 1980-1989)

Matches Played 24
Matches Won 3
Matches Drawn 13
Matches Lost 8

W/L ratio = 0.375

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 1990-1999

Pakistan
Matches Played 34
Matches Won 13
Matches Drawn 8
Matches Lost 13

W/L ratio = 1.0

India ( From 1990-1999)

Matches Played 33
Matches Won 0
Matches Drawn 18
Matches Lost 15

W/L ratio = 0.00

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 2000-2009

Pakistan
Matches Played 30
Matches Won 8
Matches Drawn 6
Matches Lost 16

W/L ratio = 0.5

India ( From 2000-2009)

Matches Played 39
Matches Won 11
Matches Drawn 15
Matches Lost 13

W/L ratio = 0.846

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 2010-2021

Pakistan

Matches Played 43
Matches Won 12
Matches Drawn 3
Matches Lost 28

W/L ratio = 0.428

India ( From 2010-2021)

Matches Played 50
Matches Won 12
Matches Drawn 12
Matches Lost 26

W/L ratio = 0.461

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

So from the above decade wise records, it can be seen that the biggest difference is in the 1990's decade when Pak won 13 matches and India didn't win any match.

Moreover, from 2010-2021, there is little difference in the records of the two teams, India has a W/L ratio of 0.461 compared to Pak's W/L ratio of 0.428 in the 2010-2021 period.
 
Ok, I am posting records for each decade starting from 1930's, since in 1930's India debuted in test cricket.

From 1930-1939
India
Matches Played 4
Matches Won 0
Matches Drawn 1
Matches Lost 3

W/L ratio = 0.00

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 1940-1949

India
Matches Played 8
Matches Won 0
Matches Drawn 3
Matches Lost 5

W/L ratio =0.00

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 1950-1959

Pakistan
Matches Played 9
Matches Won 2
Matches Drawn 3
Matches Lost 4

W/L ratio = 0.5

India ( From 1950-1959)

Matches Played 14
Matches Won 0
Matches Drawn 5
Matches Lost 9

W/L ratio = 0.00

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 1960-1969

Pakistan
Matches Played 12
Matches Won 0
Matches Drawn 6
Matches Lost 6

W/L ratio = 0.00

India ( From 1960-1969)

Matches Played 16
Matches Won 3
Matches Drawn 0
Matches Lost 13

W/L ratio = 0.23

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 1970-1979

Pakistan
Matches Played 28
Matches Won 5
Matches Drawn 13
Matches Lost 10

W/L ratio = 0.5

India ( From 1970-1979)

Matches Played 27
Matches Won 6
Matches Drawn 11
Matches Lost 10

W/L ratio = 0.6

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 1980-1989

Pakistan

Matches Played 24
Matches Won 4
Matches Drawn 11
Matches Lost 9

W/L ratio = 0.444

India (From 1980-1989)

Matches Played 24
Matches Won 3
Matches Drawn 13
Matches Lost 8

W/L ratio = 0.375

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 1990-1999

Pakistan
Matches Played 34
Matches Won 13
Matches Drawn 8
Matches Lost 13

W/L ratio = 1.0

India ( From 1990-1999)

Matches Played 33
Matches Won 0
Matches Drawn 18
Matches Lost 15

W/L ratio = 0.00

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 2000-2009

Pakistan
Matches Played 30
Matches Won 8
Matches Drawn 6
Matches Lost 16

W/L ratio = 0.5

India ( From 2000-2009)

Matches Played 39
Matches Won 11
Matches Drawn 15
Matches Lost 13

W/L ratio = 0.846

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 2010-2021

Pakistan

Matches Played 43
Matches Won 12
Matches Drawn 3
Matches Lost 28

W/L ratio = 0.428

India ( From 2010-2021)

Matches Played 50
Matches Won 12
Matches Drawn 12
Matches Lost 26

W/L ratio = 0.461

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

So from the above decade wise records, it can be seen that the biggest difference is in the 1990's decade when Pak won 13 matches and India didn't win any match.

Moreover, from 2010-2021, there is little difference in the records of the two teams, India has a W/L ratio of 0.461 compared to Pak's W/L ratio of 0.428 in the 2010-2021 period.

Have to say, I’m surprised with PAK’S 2010-21 stats.
 
Ok, I am posting records for each decade starting from 1930's, since in 1930's India debuted in test cricket.

From 1930-1939
India
Matches Played 4
Matches Won 0
Matches Drawn 1
Matches Lost 3

W/L ratio = 0.00

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 1940-1949

India
Matches Played 8
Matches Won 0
Matches Drawn 3
Matches Lost 5

W/L ratio =0.00

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 1950-1959

Pakistan
Matches Played 9
Matches Won 2
Matches Drawn 3
Matches Lost 4

W/L ratio = 0.5

India ( From 1950-1959)

Matches Played 14
Matches Won 0
Matches Drawn 5
Matches Lost 9

W/L ratio = 0.00

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 1960-1969

Pakistan
Matches Played 12
Matches Won 0
Matches Drawn 6
Matches Lost 6

W/L ratio = 0.00

India ( From 1960-1969)

Matches Played 16
Matches Won 3
Matches Drawn 0
Matches Lost 13

W/L ratio = 0.23

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 1970-1979

Pakistan
Matches Played 28
Matches Won 5
Matches Drawn 13
Matches Lost 10

W/L ratio = 0.5

India ( From 1970-1979)

Matches Played 27
Matches Won 6
Matches Drawn 11
Matches Lost 10

W/L ratio = 0.6

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 1980-1989

Pakistan

Matches Played 24
Matches Won 4
Matches Drawn 11
Matches Lost 9

W/L ratio = 0.444

India (From 1980-1989)

Matches Played 24
Matches Won 3
Matches Drawn 13
Matches Lost 8

W/L ratio = 0.375

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 1990-1999

Pakistan
Matches Played 34
Matches Won 13
Matches Drawn 8
Matches Lost 13

W/L ratio = 1.0

India ( From 1990-1999)

Matches Played 33
Matches Won 0
Matches Drawn 18
Matches Lost 15

W/L ratio = 0.00

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 2000-2009

Pakistan
Matches Played 30
Matches Won 8
Matches Drawn 6
Matches Lost 16

W/L ratio = 0.5

India ( From 2000-2009)

Matches Played 39
Matches Won 11
Matches Drawn 15
Matches Lost 13

W/L ratio = 0.846

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 2010-2021

Pakistan

Matches Played 43
Matches Won 12
Matches Drawn 3
Matches Lost 28

W/L ratio = 0.428

India ( From 2010-2021)

Matches Played 50
Matches Won 12
Matches Drawn 12
Matches Lost 26

W/L ratio = 0.461

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

So from the above decade wise records, it can be seen that the biggest difference is in the 1990's decade when Pak won 13 matches and India didn't win any match.

Moreover, from 2010-2021, there is little difference in the records of the two teams, India has a W/L ratio of 0.461 compared to Pak's W/L ratio of 0.428 in the 2010-2021 period.

From these decade wise records, it can be seen that there was little difference between the two teams records in 1970's , 1980's and from 2010-2021. Pakistan is miles ahead in the 1990's. India is ahead in the 1960's and the 2000's decade and Pakistan is ahead in the 1950's.
 
Have to say, I’m surprised with PAK’S 2010-21 stats.

Yes, there is little difference in the records of the two teams in the 1970's and 1980's as well. Surprising when you consider that Pak in the 1980's was a much better team than India. The biggest difference is in the 1990's though, when Pak had W/L ratio of 1.0 with 13 wins and India didn't win any match in the entire 90's.
 
Yes, there is little difference in the records of the two teams in the 1970's and 1980's as well. Surprising when you consider that Pak in the 1980's was a much better team than India. The biggest difference is in the 1990's though, when Pak had W/L ratio of 1.0 with 13 wins and India didn't win any match in the entire 90's.

Quality of any team over a prolonged period are beyond stats - there are subjective calls as well.

Definitely India of 1990 was much better than that stats - infact from June 1986 to April 2001, India won only two Tests outside home - one at Colombo & one at Dhaka.

The bottom line is, still IND-PAK comparison is relevant, but it’s widening at an alerting rate and I must say that GoI isn’t helping team India in that regard - it could end in massacres.
 
Quality of any team over a prolonged period are beyond stats - there are subjective calls as well.

Definitely India of 1990 was much better than that stats - infact from June 1986 to April 2001, India won only two Tests outside home - one at Colombo & one at Dhaka.

The bottom line is, still IND-PAK comparison is relevant, but it’s widening at an alerting rate and I must say that GoI isn’t helping team India in that regard - it could end in massacres.
India of 1990's was strong at home. Probably the strongest home team in the 90's after Aus and SA. Still they didn't win any test match outside Asia for 15 years from 1986-2001. While Pak of 90's was a force outside Asia. Demolished England and New Zealand away and drew with an ATG SAF team in 1998. Also won a test match in Australia. Beat Zimbabwe twice away as well in 1995 and 1998.
 
Quality of any team over a prolonged period are beyond stats - there are subjective calls as well.

Definitely India of 1990 was much better than that stats - infact from June 1986 to April 2001, India won only two Tests outside home - one at Colombo & one at Dhaka.

The bottom line is, still IND-PAK comparison is relevant, but it’s widening at an alerting rate and I must say that GoI isn’t helping team India in that regard - it could end in massacres.

True.

In the end, professional sports is all about planning and money. PCB have been a pathetic cricket board as far as planning is concerned and money part will only improve if teams visit Pakistan consistently.

If Pak start playing at home consistently then we should slowly and steadily improve. We already have a world class batsman (Babar), bowler (Shaheen) and a decent keeper (Rizwan). We need a decent spinner alongside Yasir and we should win series at home. Out FTBs/HTBs will also shine as India's do at home :haris
 
True.

In the end, professional sports is all about planning and money. PCB have been a pathetic cricket board as far as planning is concerned and money part will only improve if teams visit Pakistan consistently.

If Pak start playing at home consistently then we should slowly and steadily improve. We already have a world class batsman (Babar), bowler (Shaheen) and a decent keeper (Rizwan). We need a decent spinner alongside Yasir and we should win series at home.
Out FTBs/HTBs will also shine as India's do at home :haris

Lets see how our FTB's do in the series against SA. Time to show that atleast they are HTB's:yk
 
3 out of Pakistan's 12 wins outside Asia in the 2010-2021 period are against Zimbabwe and Ireland.

Already mentioned in the OP, that I have included Zimbabwe and Ireland. 3 out of India's 23 wins outside Asia post 2000 are also against Zimbabwe.
 
I already mentioned in the OP, that I have included Zim and Ireland in these records.

OK, I did not pay attention initially and I assumed that MMHS may have missed it as well when thinking about the 2010 onwards period listed above.
 
Ok, I am posting records for each decade starting from 1930's, since in 1930's India debuted in test cricket.

From 1930-1939
India
Matches Played 4
Matches Won 0
Matches Drawn 1
Matches Lost 3

W/L ratio = 0.00

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 1940-1949

India
Matches Played 8
Matches Won 0
Matches Drawn 3
Matches Lost 5

W/L ratio =0.00

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 1950-1959

Pakistan
Matches Played 9
Matches Won 2
Matches Drawn 3
Matches Lost 4

W/L ratio = 0.5

India ( From 1950-1959)

Matches Played 14
Matches Won 0
Matches Drawn 5
Matches Lost 9

W/L ratio = 0.00

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 1960-1969

Pakistan
Matches Played 12
Matches Won 0
Matches Drawn 6
Matches Lost 6

W/L ratio = 0.00

India ( From 1960-1969)

Matches Played 16
Matches Won 3
Matches Drawn 0
Matches Lost 13

W/L ratio = 0.23

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 1970-1979

Pakistan
Matches Played 28
Matches Won 5
Matches Drawn 13
Matches Lost 10

W/L ratio = 0.5

India ( From 1970-1979)

Matches Played 27
Matches Won 6
Matches Drawn 11
Matches Lost 10

W/L ratio = 0.6

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 1980-1989

Pakistan

Matches Played 24
Matches Won 4
Matches Drawn 11
Matches Lost 9

W/L ratio = 0.444

India (From 1980-1989)

Matches Played 24
Matches Won 3
Matches Drawn 13
Matches Lost 8

W/L ratio = 0.375

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 1990-1999

Pakistan
Matches Played 34
Matches Won 13
Matches Drawn 8
Matches Lost 13

W/L ratio = 1.0

India ( From 1990-1999)

Matches Played 33
Matches Won 0
Matches Drawn 18
Matches Lost 15

W/L ratio = 0.00

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 2000-2009

Pakistan
Matches Played 30
Matches Won 8
Matches Drawn 6
Matches Lost 16

W/L ratio = 0.5

India ( From 2000-2009)

Matches Played 39
Matches Won 11
Matches Drawn 15
Matches Lost 13

W/L ratio = 0.846

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

From 2010-2021

Pakistan

Matches Played 43
Matches Won 12
Matches Drawn 3
Matches Lost 28

W/L ratio = 0.428

India ( From 2010-2021)

Matches Played 50
Matches Won 12
Matches Drawn 12
Matches Lost 26

W/L ratio = 0.461

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

So from the above decade wise records, it can be seen that the biggest difference is in the 1990's decade when Pak won 13 matches and India didn't win any match.

Moreover, from 2010-2021, there is little difference in the records of the two teams, India has a W/L ratio of 0.461 compared to Pak's W/L ratio of 0.428 in the 2010-2021 period.

Sinse you have posted stats from 30's onward I guess I have to remind you that India before 47 also included Pakistan.
 
Also, if you compare pre 2000 vs post 2000, the swing is massive,

I do agree that the swing for Indians has been massive.

Indians went from not winning a test in 90s to having win/competitive series in every single venue after 2000,

Series win & one Draw in Eng
Series win & one draw in Aus
Series win & one draw in NZ
4 series win & one draw in WI
The worst result - One draw in SA

Bundling all teams together misses the point of how massive a swing it has been for Indians. You can sure win against one team or one venue to get lots of wins. It's a lot harder to be doing well in all different venues. You have to produce players who can do well in all kinds of conditions. That's why I rated Smith's SA team very high.
 
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I do agree that the swing for Indians has been massive.

Indians went from not winning a test in 90s to having win/competitive series in every single venue after 2000,

Series win & one Draw in Eng
Series win & one draw in Aus
Series win & one draw in NZ
4 series win & one draw in WI
The worst result - One draw in SA

Bundling all teams together misses the point of how massive a swing it has been for Indians. You can sure win against one team or one venue to get lots of wins. It's a lot harder to be doing well in all different venues. You have to produce players who can do well in all kinds of conditions. That's why I rated Smith's SA team very high.

India have won only one series in NZL post 2000, they haven't drawn any series there. They have lost the other three series in NZL in 2002,2014 and 2020. In West Indies too, they haven't drawn any series. They lost in WI in 2002, but have won every series in WI since then.
 
India have won only one series in NZL post 2000, they haven't drawn any series there. They have lost the other three series in NZL in 2002,2014 and 2020. In West Indies too, they haven't drawn any series. They lost in WI in 2002, but have won every series in WI since then.

You are correct. I just scanned the record coming using filter in cricinfo rather than going by my memory.

It shows a draw for WI series when it was a win.

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For NZ, it's vice versa. It shows a draw when it was a loss.

Anyway - I was using stats from Cricinfo, but the main point was from my memory that Indians have done well in all venues one time or another after the 2000s. That's due to having players who can adapt to different conditions. In 90s they lost everywhere.
 
You are correct. I just scanned the record coming using filter in cricinfo rather than going by my memory.

It shows a draw for WI series when it was a win.

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For NZ, it's vice versa. It shows a draw when it was a loss.

Anyway - I was using stats from Cricinfo, but the main point was from my memory that Indians have done well in all venues one time or another after the 2000s. That's due to having players who can adapt to different conditions. In 90s they lost everywhere.

How do you rate Pakistan's record outside Asia before 2000 and after 2000?
 
It is not our greatest team to play cricket by any margin.
It is still and imbalanced team, where bowlers have become better but batsmen are still average.

The point is, because of money being pumped into the system and facilities/domestic cricket salaries/lucrative IPL contract, the kids today and their parents want to play cricket as a sports.
School cricket was always strong, It has become more stronger.

Imagine this, Natarajan, used to sell chicken with his mother on road side run down shop some 3-4 years ago. He gets into IPL, gets life changing contract, Further works on his skills and fitness, and in his first outing in Gabba picks up three wickets. Plenty a great bowling attacks here have been creamed for lots of runs, Even by Warner, Labu alone.
The no fear approach will further increase with this team. Our greatest is yet to come.

The Gap, is increasing at bigger rate.
Upto Pakistan to invest back the money they earn into their cricket rather then PCB honchos making all the money.


Well said.

PCB has to be the most corrupt and clueless cricket board. Even Zimbabwe has a better vision than our clowns.

Let's see if we play 3-4 series at home and how our team reacts.
 
Despite having a similar win/loss ratio as SL and Pak; India were a superior test team last decade. Stats don't tell the whole story.

But they were far from being 'the greatest Asian side' or all these accolades that trolls and BCCI sponsored cricket sites are pinning on them.

The amount of support, money and marketing this Indian team has had is humongous. Indian team of 80s and 90s had a fraction of resources yet there isn't much difference in quality.

Maybe people see declining and struggling Pak/SL sides and automatically think India are doing great.
 
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3 out of Pakistan's 12 wins outside Asia in the 2010-2021 period are against Zimbabwe and Ireland.

And another three is probably against WIN. Still, have to say there are 3 wins in UK (5 if I add 2010), which is massive - completely against norm.
 
True.

In the end, professional sports is all about planning and money. PCB have been a pathetic cricket board as far as planning is concerned and money part will only improve if teams visit Pakistan consistently.

If Pak start playing at home consistently then we should slowly and steadily improve. We already have a world class batsman (Babar), bowler (Shaheen) and a decent keeper (Rizwan). We need a decent spinner alongside Yasir and we should win series at home. Out FTBs/HTBs will also shine as India's do at home :haris

Pakistan’s home record actually improved after moving to UAE. The pathetic batting was not exposed much on the worst pitches for fast bowling.

Those who think Pakistan will be dominant at home like India and will rise in the rankings over the next few years are in a for a reality-check.

The likes of Australia, England and New Zealand will thrive in Pakistan compared to UAE. Pakistan is going to lose a lot more series in Pakistan than they did in the UAE.
 
And another three is probably against WIN. Still, have to say there are 3 wins in UK (5 if I add 2010), which is massive - completely against norm.

Yes, Pakistan have probably overachieved outside Asia from 2010-2021, given the limited resources they have had. Admirable really.
 
What cherry picking sir ji. Go back 10 years, 20 or 30 or 50. Indians were always trash in SENA.

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...am=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

And yeah, Indians did 0.018% better than Pakistan :yk

Listen to yourselves. This is pathetic.


Lol running away and shifting goalposts now so typical.....:yk

You claimed out of thin air that Pakistan had "better SENA record than other Asian teams" in that particular cherry picked time frame and now that you've been proven wrong you are backtracking to 20 and 30 years. Maybe you should have did some research before scoring an embarrassing self-goal. :))
 
Quality of any team over a prolonged period are beyond stats - there are subjective calls as well.

Definitely India of 1990 was much better than that stats - infact from June 1986 to April 2001, India won only two Tests outside home - one at Colombo & one at Dhaka.

The bottom line is, still IND-PAK comparison is relevant, but it’s widening at an alerting rate and I must say that GoI isn’t helping team India in that regard - it could end in massacres.

In the 1990s India did come close to test victories in Australia, South Africa & West indies but simply could not close out games

Examples - Adelaide 1992 , Sydney 1992 , Centurion 1997 , Barbados 1997

But those days our overseas performances were often embarrassingly poor. We even lost test match in Zimbabwe in Harare !
 
Pakistan’s home record actually improved after moving to UAE. The pathetic batting was not exposed much on the worst pitches for fast bowling.

Those who think Pakistan will be dominant at home like India and will rise in the rankings over the next few years are in a for a reality-check.

The likes of Australia, England and New Zealand will thrive in Pakistan compared to UAE. Pakistan is going to lose a lot more series in Pakistan than they did in the UAE.

Obviously, we are not becoming WIs of 80s after 1 tour. It will take some time. But we have to start from somewhere.
 
Lol running away and shifting goalposts now so typical.....:yk

You claimed out of thin air that Pakistan had "better SENA record than other Asian teams" in that particular cherry picked time frame and now that you've been proven wrong you are backtracking to 20 and 30 years. Maybe you should have did some research before scoring an embarrassing self-goal. :))

I claimed that because there is another thread at PP where same stat was posted before India's last victory :))

Oh I am so embarrassed! /s
 
Not sure about overall record, but quiet a few asian teams need to improve their current records else the humiliation of innings defeats is just going to continue.

I just hope for the sake of cricket that they don't become numb to this pain and get used to it.
 
How do you rate Pakistan's record outside Asia before 2000 and after 2000?

I only started watching in the late 80s, so apart from looking at records, I can't say much based on my personal observation when it comes to 80s. I was also young to not grasp all aspects.

But I can say about 90s. They actually did very well when playing outside Pakistan. In fact, I used to tune up for Pakistani matches just to watch Wasim bowl. I don't think Pakistan had good batting to do consistently well when playing away, but they produced good cricket based on the gun bowling unit. One thing that surprised me was their home performance at times. I am not sure what was going, to be honest.

I think the team underachieved. They should have done better with the players they had at that time. Still, it was a good team playing away and you can hope to watch quality bowling in pretty much every series from Pakistan.

Things started changing in 2000s. Wasim and Waqar were done by then. Akhtar was very skillful. People talk a lot about his pace, but he had skills as well. The problem was him not even playing 50 tests despite having such a long career. Then Asif showed some brilliance, but we know the story. I did not rate Amir that high from start.


Pakistan batting may have been actually slightly better after the 2000s. Not looking at stats, just going by thinking about various players and their contributions. But bowling was far superior in the 90s. Waqar was not the same after the mid-90s, but still a good bowler. Saqlain was a gun spinner.


The difference of 90s vs 2000s can be summed up by Pakistani consistently being in the top 4 vs consistently being outside of the top 4. I don't mean what happened for 1-2 years, but over a long period, there will be no hesitation to say that Pakistan was the top team in the 90s. The same can't be said about periods after the 2000s. Yes, Pakitan did well from time to time, but the decline was obvious due to the bowling unit being far inferior.

Now the current situation is probably worse than it should be. Pakistan is still a large country with cricket being the top sport. Domestic cricket should be used to groom players and before branding anyone talented, those young players should be playing a few seasons and do well in domestics. I saw some thread about one Paksitani player getting in the squad who has not even played first-class cricket, but some stats were used and those stats were probably from some club cricket or something similar. Once in a while, you can get lucky with that approach, but overall it's a poor way to pick players. I am not saying that selection will solve everything, but that's an easy thing to do and low-hanging fruits. Doing such basic things wrong and then talking about big bang reforms seems non-sense to me.


Too long a reply here, but there is no comparison from the 90s to the current team. Overall, it has been a gradual decline from the 90s.
 
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I only started watching in the late 80s, so apart from looking at records, I can't say much based on my personal observation when it comes to 80s. I was also young to not grasp all aspects.

But I can say about 90s. They actually did very well when playing outside Pakistan. In fact, I used to tune up for Pakistani matches just to watch Wasim bowl. I don't think Pakistan had good batting to do consistently well when playing away, but they produced good cricket based on the gun bowling unit. One thing that surprised me was their home performance at times. I am not sure what was going, to be honest.

I think the team underachieved. They should have done better with the players they had at that time. Still, it was a good team playing away and you can hope to watch quality bowling in pretty much every series from Pakistan.

Things started changing in 2000s. Wasim and Waqar were done by then. Akhtar was very skillful. People talk a lot about his pace, but he had skills as well. The problem was him not even playing 50 tests despite having such a long career. Then Asif showed some brilliance, but we know the story. I did not rate Amir that high from start.


Pakistan batting may have been actually slightly better after the 2000s. Not looking at stats, just going by thinking about various players and their contributions. But bowling was far superior in the 90s. Waqar was not the same after the mid-90s, but still a good bowler. Saqlain was a gun spinner.


The difference of 90s vs 2000s can be summed up by Pakistani consistently being in the top 4 vs consistently being outside of the top 4. I don't mean what happened for 1-2 years, but over a long period, there will be no hesitation to say that Pakistan was the top team in the 90s. The same can't be said about periods after the 2000s. Yes, Pakitan did well from time to time, but the decline was obvious due to the bowling unit being far inferior.

Now the current situation is probably worse than it should be. Pakistan is still a large country with cricket being the top sport. Domestic cricket should be used to groom players and before branding anyone talented, those young players should be playing a few seasons and do well in domestics. I saw some thread about one Paksitani player getting in the squad who has not even played first-class cricket, but some stats were used and those stats were probably from some club cricket or something similar. Once in a while, you can get lucky with that approach, but overall it's a poor way to pick players. I am not saying that selection will solve everything, but that's an easy thing to do and low-hanging fruits. Doing such basic things wrong and then talking about big bang reforms seems non-sense to me.


Too long a reply here, but there is no comparison from the 90s to the current team. Overall, it has been a gradual decline from the 90s.

Very well made points. I sometimes feel pakistan is still playing traditional cricket and has not probably fully caught up with the modern way. This could be a result of not plying their trade in the ipl and not having a quality league of their own for a while. An increase in quality of psl will probably bring them upto speed with professional and modern way of playing cricket. Let's hope they improve their current condition in coming times.
 
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The hype around Indian team lately has been around their performances in Asia where they don't even play Pakistan. Basically, their performances in India, SriLanka and Bangladesh have earned them the praise. They still struggle in sena countries like yester years.
 
Sinse you have posted stats from 30's onward I guess I have to remind you that India before 47 also included Pakistan.
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] asked me to post these decade wise records, so I posted them here.

In any case India's cricketing history starts from 1932. If you want to say that India's pre 1947 stats should be included in Pakistan's records also, then Bangladesh's stats should include Pakistan’s stats and all Asian teams barring Afghanistan can share England's stats because they all were under British rule.
 
Ok. Let's conclude the thread. India has missed the opportunity to play with the greatest team in Asia and by this, have failed to uplift it's own standard along with setting the benchmark higher by playing against the greatest Asian team.

No, no one has suggested that.

The conclusion is the hype can only take you so far. The stats never lie.
 
In the 1990s India did come close to test victories in Australia, South Africa & West indies but simply could not close out games

Examples - Adelaide 1992 , Sydney 1992 ,
Centurion 1997 ,
Barbados 1997

But those days our overseas performances were often embarrassingly poor. We even lost test match in Zimbabwe in Harare !
Correction, its was the Johannesburg test in 1997. India really should have won the Bridgetown test though in 97. They couldn't even chase 120 in the 4th innings. They lost similarly in Zimbabwe in 1998 too chasing a target of 200 odd.
 
The hype around Indian team lately has been around their performances in Asia where they don't even play Pakistan. Basically, their performances in India, SriLanka and Bangladesh have earned them the praise. They still struggle in sena countries like yester years.

When was the last you watched a cricket match involving India, mate?
 
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