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Pahalgam attack: At least 26 tourists died in the attack [UPDATE@ POST#963]

Indian singer booked over social media post on Pahalgam attack

Indian Bhojpuri singer Neha Singh Rathore has been charged with sedition and other serious offences in India after questioning the official narrative around the Pahalgam attack in Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir (IIOJK).

According to Indian broadcaster NDTV, a case was registered against Rathore under the Information Technology Act in Lucknow following a complaint by a citizen.

She is accused of hurting the sentiments of the victims and their families through a video she posted.

The charges were filed after a short video featuring Rathore circulated on platform X (formerly Twitter) and was reportedly shared by some accounts linked to Pakistan.

In the video, Rathore alleged that the Pahalgam attack was a "political drama" staged by the Indian government to gain votes ahead of upcoming elections in Bihar.

She also criticised Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, questioning why a leader who claims to stop wars in other countries with a single phone call could not prevent a terrorist attack within India.

Rathore further asked why the public was being discouraged from raising questions if the government’s narrative was genuine.

According to India Today, the FIR also noted that Rathore’s video was being used by Pakistani media and social media users for anti-India propaganda.

As of the latest updates, Rathore has not been arrested, but legal proceedings under sedition, incitement of religious and racial hatred, and defamation of the government are ongoing.

Source: https://tribune.com.pk/story/2542975/indian-singer-booked-over-social-media-post-on-pahalgam-attack
 
Devadwal said:
Honestly I was expecting same response from you. For Pakistani friend either it's fake or False flag. Nothing new.

But for your information this is 100% real video.

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Why so?
Are we not allowed to question anything now?
When I first saw the video it shocked me and it still does.
Seeing innocent people being killed is heart wrenching.

But after watching it several times it made me wonder why the man on the zip wire failed to notice the gun fire...
The speed at the which the people were running and the way the man that was shot fell to the ground.

But if we take it at face value and agree that the video is real and not doctored in anyway, then we can assume that not everyone person was asked to drop their drawers or were shot dead on the spot.. Also, that the man operating the zip wire could have been any more alert to the gun firing than the man on the zip wire.
 
IMMY69 said:
Why so?
Are we not allowed to question anything now?
When I first saw the video it shocked me and it still does.
Seeing innocent people being killed is heart wrenching.

But after watching it several times it made me wonder why the man on the zip wire failed to notice the gun fire...
The speed at the which the people were running and the way the man that was shot fell to the ground.

But if we take it at face value and agree that the video is real and not doctored in anyway, then we can assume that not everyone person was asked to drop their drawers or were shot dead on the spot.. Also, that the man operating the zip wire could have been any more alert to the gun firing than the man on the zip wire.
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Have you ever experienced zip lines in your life? :kp
 
IMMY69 said:
Actually yes I have...
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So you May know noise of the zipline is really loud. The constant screech.

They can’t see people around them running from something. They see the totality of the landscape they are going through unless they’re explicitly directed to look somewhere.

Plus most Indians have never ever heard a gunshot or even seen guns up close.

:kp
 
Devadwal said:
So you May know noise of the zipline is really loud. The constant screech.

They can’t see people around them running from something. They see the totality of the landscape they are going through unless they’re explicitly directed to look somewhere.

Plus most Indians have never ever heard a gunshot or even seen guns up close.

:kp
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I don't doubt any of this..
However, a gun shot is extremely loud and something that is very unlikely to be drowned out by the zip wire noise.
If it's something you don't hear often or not at all then it's more likely the noise will get your attention straightaway.

From the video it seems like the man on the zip wire was more interested in capturing his own reactions than actually taking in the scenery.
 
@Devadwal

I suppose the point I'm trying to get across is that this is the time for good people to show restraint.
By restraint I mean stop posting and circulating videos and pictures of people being shot, whether fake or real.
It adds fuel to the tension but more importantly, it is extremely disrespectful to those that lost their lives and more so for those that are grieving their losses.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Just read the post above yours and you get your answer. An Indian female singer has been charged with sedition for doing just that.
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I think the hatred levels against Muslims and Pakistan are reaching new levels here on PP.

If the video is real, people should be alarmed at what they're seeing on the ground rather then trying to instigate the Zip Line operator because he said god is great two or three times...
 
IMMY69 said:
I think the hatred levels against Muslims and Pakistan are reaching new levels here on PP.

If the video is real, people should be alarmed at what they're seeing on the ground rather then trying to instigate the Zip Line operator because he said god is great two or three times...
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Most of those who should be horrified at the murder of innocents in their own country, seem to be absolutely delighted instead. They are revelling in the chance to damage Pakistan in more spheres than previously, even delighting at the thought of cutting off water to whole populations. This is the sick mentality of those who cheer on terror attacks.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Most of those who should be horrified at the murder of innocents in their own country, seem to be absolutely delighted instead. They are revelling in the chance to damage Pakistan in more spheres than previously, even delighting at the thought of cutting off water to whole populations. This is the sick mentality of those who cheer on terror attacks.
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Yeah I've tried my best to avoid the elephant in the room.
 
IMMY69 said:
Yeah I've tried my best to avoid the elephant in the room.
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You should try to avoid engaging the troll who ends every post with the same smiley :kp as well.

He is just spamming the forum with RSS propaganda, no one has enjoyed the terror attack more than him.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Most of those who should be horrified at the murder of innocents in their own country, seem to be absolutely delighted instead. They are revelling in the chance to damage Pakistan in more spheres than previously, even delighting at the thought of cutting off water to whole populations. This is the sick mentality of those who cheer on terror attacks.
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Most of the population have been fed this hate popangda in their films, media and by their leaders . They also have a historic hold in their mind of invaders and conquerors. Right now their is excitement, as one poster put it , 'a massive attack ' is incoming on Pakistan. When nothing of this sort happens , other victories such as treaty blackouts will give them triumph. Strange but fascinating mentality
 
KingKhanWC said:
Most of the population have been fed this hate popangda in their films, media and by their leaders . They also have a historic hold in their mind of invaders and conquerors. Right now their is excitement, as one poster put it , 'a massive attack ' is incoming on Pakistan. When nothing of this sort happens , other victories such as treaty blackouts will give them triumph. Strange but fascinating mentality
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I just posted on the Isreal/Gazza thread and it made me wonder, how does their argument about Jews having first dibs on Palestine work out with regards to Kashmir and Pakistan?

As a Brit/Pakistani, with Parents born in Mumbai and Hyderabad, does this give me a right to move back there and re-claim my original land?
 
IMMY69 said:
@Devadwal

I suppose the point I'm trying to get across is that this is the time for good people to show restraint.
By restraint I mean stop posting and circulating videos and pictures of people being shot, whether fake or real.
It adds fuel to the tension but more importantly, it is extremely disrespectful to those that lost their lives and more so for those that are grieving their losses.
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More importantly people's should Stop finding the conspiracy theories in such a horrific incident but unfortunately Pakistan Posters are always find the conspiracy theories in every fields when comes to India. #Fact :kp
 
Hows the josh @Devadwal? I was busy all day today but now back and ready to fight another day. But did I read it correctly that they are now finding conspiracies in video proofs as well?

#FalzeFelag

:qdkcheeky
 
Devadwal said:
More importantly people's should Stop finding the conspiracy theories in such a horrific incident but unfortunately Pakistan Posters are always find the conspiracy theories in every fields when comes to India. #Fact :kp
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If that's what keeps you going, then carry on...
 
Rajdeep said:
Hows the josh @Devadwal? I was busy all day today but now back and ready to fight another day. But did I read it correctly that they are now finding conspiracies in video proofs as well?

#FalzeFelag

:qdkcheeky
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Josh is always high bro . Yes as usual too much fake propaganda and conspiracy theories by Pakistan posters but as always I'm here to exposed them. #Fact

:kp
 
IMMY69 said:
I just posted on the Isreal/Gazza thread and it made me wonder, how does their argument about Jews having first dibs on Palestine work out with regards to Kashmir and Pakistan?

As a Brit/Pakistani, with Parents born in Mumbai and Hyderabad, does this give me a right to move back there and re-claim my original land?
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This one is far more simple, international law demands a simple vote with neither country recognised as owners of any part yet. Israel has no defined borders but is seen as an official nation . They want territory based on their version of their faith or agenda . Here the people want their own nation or maybe join pakistan . India has little meaning for kashmiris so are subjugated to a huge military force. Using kashmir to punish muslims is part of it but hardly pointed out. History cannot be changed but they are following similar Zionist ideologies, hence the same hate to harm . Hindutva and Zionism both believe in superiority of race , the crux of the problem
 
KingKhanWC said:
Most of the population have been fed this hate popangda in their films, media and by their leaders . They also have a historic hold in their mind of invaders and conquerors. Right now their is excitement, as one poster put it , 'a massive attack ' is incoming on Pakistan. When nothing of this sort happens , other victories such as treaty blackouts will give them triumph. Strange but fascinating mentality
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What's fascinating and strange is that they have an understandable resentment against those invaders and conquerors...but instead of challenging those invaders and conquerors, they want to fight people who never invaded and actually lived as part of the subcontinent all along. The actual invaders still get their backsides slurped and called the British Raj or your Excellency of UAE.
 
Devadwal said:
Josh is always high bro . Yes as usual too much fake propaganda and conspiracy theories by Pakistan posters but as always I'm here to exposed them. #Fact

:kp
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Keech ke rakho. Yesterday a local Kashmiri poster came here and humiliated these guys which was so amusing but refreshing to see.
 
This is what @Cpt. Rishwat has been saying in terms of evidence. The whole world is awaiting Indian evidence. Even Indians aren't convinced anymore.

India must prove Pakistan’s complicity in the attack in Kashmir​


After terrorists brutally killed 26 men in Jammu & Kashmir on April 22nd, Narendra Modi, India’s prime minister, did not mince his words. Breaking into English—a rarity—he warned: “India will identify, track and punish every terrorist and their backers.” The attack was the worst strike against tourists in Kashmir since an insurgency started in 1989 against Indian rule over the territory, which is claimed by both India and Pakistan. It was the deadliest in Muslim-majority region since a suicide bomb targeted paramilitary forces in 2019. This time the terrorists ensured that almost all their victims were Hindu by forcing them to give their names, and seeing if they could recite Islamic verses, before killing them.
On April 27th the Indian Navy responded with long-range missile drills. India has expelled several Pakistani diplomats and suspended the Indus Water Treaty, signed in 1960 between the two countries. India and Pakistan have exchanged fire over several nights. Further confrontation looks likely.
Mr Modi has every right to retaliate against militant extremists for the killing of Indian citizens, but he needs to keep India’s broad interests in mind. His aim should be to bring justice and to restore deterrence, but not to escalate the decades-long animosity between two nuclear powers into a fight that would threaten the region and the world.
The first requirement for retaliation is evidence. Local police are searching for two Pakistani men and one Indian man. The Resistance Front (TRF), the group which initially claimed the attack on social media only to deny responsibility later, alleging that it was hacked, was founded in 2019 after Mr Modi’s government revoked Jammu & Kashmir’s semi-autonomous status. TRF was declared a terrorist group by Mr Modi’s government in 2023.
Mr Modi’s government alleges cross-border involvement from Pakistan. Some in India’s intelligence circles claim that TRF is a front for Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), a Pakistan-based armed group behind the attacks in Mumbai in 2008, in which nearly 170 people were killed. LeT does indeed have long and well-established ties to Pakistan’s intelligence services, but India has yet to provide public proof of its link to TRF.
The second requirement is for any retaliation to advance India’s aims. After similar attacks in 2019 and 2016, India conducted air strikes or sent ground troops into Pakistan-administrated Kashmir. Mr Modi vowed to bring peace to Kashmir by taking direct control in 2019. He may not just feel bound to acknowledge calls for revenge, but as a strongman leader he may also see a chance to confront Pakistan.
However, even if India intends a military confrontation to be limited, it could escalate. Pakistan has already shot down an Indian drone. Its defence minister has warned of an imminent military strike by India. In 2019 an Indian jet was shot down in Pakistani territory. On that occasion Pakistan returned the pilot unharmed a few days later. This time the government in Pakistan may be less accommodating. General Asim Munir, Pakistan’s army chief, could exploit a ***-for-tat response as a way to distract from his problems at home. Once an escalation has started it would be hard to stop.
Until India has established who was behind the attack, it should therefore exercise restraint. Targeted strikes on militants would be justified, but broader attacks on Pakistani military bases, without clear evidence of the army’s complicity, may not be. India also has more options that stop short of war. It should publish evidence about the perpetrators to shame Pakistan and it could, for example, try to disrupt the $7bn bail-out promised to Pakistan last year by the IMF. Its suspension of the water treaty is less drastic than it sounds; it is not about to divert lots of water. Still, it sends a message that Pakistan would benefit from more constructive relations with its neighbour.
Whatever he does, Mr Modi should be thinking about the long term. For India, Pakistan is a distraction, as it assumes a more expansive role as the leading power in South Asia. A regional war would frustrate its plans to profit from the trade dispute between America and China. Indeed, the attacks may have been timed to coincide with the visit to India of J.D. Vance, America’s vice-president. Rather than risking a fight today, India would do better to continue modernising its armed forces. That may not only deter Pakistan, but also advance its interests against China. In the long run India’s real regional rival is not in Islamabad, but Beijing. ■

www.economist.com

India must prove Pakistan’s complicity in the attack in Kashmir

It would then have every right to strike back
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DeadlyVenom said:
This is what @Cpt. Rishwat has been saying in terms of evidence. The whole world is awaiting Indian evidence. Even Indians aren't convinced anymore.

India must prove Pakistan’s complicity in the attack in Kashmir​


After terrorists brutally killed 26 men in Jammu & Kashmir on April 22nd, Narendra Modi, India’s prime minister, did not mince his words. Breaking into English—a rarity—he warned: “India will identify, track and punish every terrorist and their backers.” The attack was the worst strike against tourists in Kashmir since an insurgency started in 1989 against Indian rule over the territory, which is claimed by both India and Pakistan. It was the deadliest in Muslim-majority region since a suicide bomb targeted paramilitary forces in 2019. This time the terrorists ensured that almost all their victims were Hindu by forcing them to give their names, and seeing if they could recite Islamic verses, before killing them.
On April 27th the Indian Navy responded with long-range missile drills. India has expelled several Pakistani diplomats and suspended the Indus Water Treaty, signed in 1960 between the two countries. India and Pakistan have exchanged fire over several nights. Further confrontation looks likely.
Mr Modi has every right to retaliate against militant extremists for the killing of Indian citizens, but he needs to keep India’s broad interests in mind. His aim should be to bring justice and to restore deterrence, but not to escalate the decades-long animosity between two nuclear powers into a fight that would threaten the region and the world.
The first requirement for retaliation is evidence. Local police are searching for two Pakistani men and one Indian man. The Resistance Front (TRF), the group which initially claimed the attack on social media only to deny responsibility later, alleging that it was hacked, was founded in 2019 after Mr Modi’s government revoked Jammu & Kashmir’s semi-autonomous status. TRF was declared a terrorist group by Mr Modi’s government in 2023.
Mr Modi’s government alleges cross-border involvement from Pakistan. Some in India’s intelligence circles claim that TRF is a front for Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), a Pakistan-based armed group behind the attacks in Mumbai in 2008, in which nearly 170 people were killed. LeT does indeed have long and well-established ties to Pakistan’s intelligence services, but India has yet to provide public proof of its link to TRF.
The second requirement is for any retaliation to advance India’s aims. After similar attacks in 2019 and 2016, India conducted air strikes or sent ground troops into Pakistan-administrated Kashmir. Mr Modi vowed to bring peace to Kashmir by taking direct control in 2019. He may not just feel bound to acknowledge calls for revenge, but as a strongman leader he may also see a chance to confront Pakistan.
However, even if India intends a military confrontation to be limited, it could escalate. Pakistan has already shot down an Indian drone. Its defence minister has warned of an imminent military strike by India. In 2019 an Indian jet was shot down in Pakistani territory. On that occasion Pakistan returned the pilot unharmed a few days later. This time the government in Pakistan may be less accommodating. General Asim Munir, Pakistan’s army chief, could exploit a ***-for-tat response as a way to distract from his problems at home. Once an escalation has started it would be hard to stop.
Until India has established who was behind the attack, it should therefore exercise restraint. Targeted strikes on militants would be justified, but broader attacks on Pakistani military bases, without clear evidence of the army’s complicity, may not be. India also has more options that stop short of war. It should publish evidence about the perpetrators to shame Pakistan and it could, for example, try to disrupt the $7bn bail-out promised to Pakistan last year by the IMF. Its suspension of the water treaty is less drastic than it sounds; it is not about to divert lots of water. Still, it sends a message that Pakistan would benefit from more constructive relations with its neighbour.
Whatever he does, Mr Modi should be thinking about the long term. For India, Pakistan is a distraction, as it assumes a more expansive role as the leading power in South Asia. A regional war would frustrate its plans to profit from the trade dispute between America and China. Indeed, the attacks may have been timed to coincide with the visit to India of J.D. Vance, America’s vice-president. Rather than risking a fight today, India would do better to continue modernising its armed forces. That may not only deter Pakistan, but also advance its interests against China. In the long run India’s real regional rival is not in Islamabad, but Beijing. ■

www.economist.com

India must prove Pakistan’s complicity in the attack in Kashmir

It would then have every right to strike back
www.economist.com www.economist.com
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The problem for India is that Modi jumped the gun. The finger was being pointed at Pakistan almost before the first gunshot was fired. How does that look in international circles?

It is an embarrassment. No wonder we are getting calls from other spokesmen like the Swamy guy calling for the resignation of Modi and Shah. They have made India look amateurish.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
What's fascinating and strange is that they have an understandable resentment against those invaders and conquerors...but instead of challenging those invaders and conquerors, they want to fight people who never invaded and actually lived as part of the subcontinent all along. The actual invaders still get their backsides slurped and called the British Raj or your Excellency of UAE.
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Maybe it's a acceptance of reality along with a living fantasy. The Arab Muslims who actually invaded are bowed down to. The british who turned the joint into a 3rd world land are still being upheld as royalty, giving them thanks for aid amongst other things. Kashmiris have lived there for centuries but India believes pakistan took half by military force so they must oppress the other half as they want to leave too .
 
DeadlyVenom said:
This is what @Cpt. Rishwat has been saying in terms of evidence. The whole world is awaiting Indian evidence. Even Indians aren't convinced anymore.

India must prove Pakistan’s complicity in the attack in Kashmir​


After terrorists brutally killed 26 men in Jammu & Kashmir on April 22nd, Narendra Modi, India’s prime minister, did not mince his words. Breaking into English—a rarity—he warned: “India will identify, track and punish every terrorist and their backers.” The attack was the worst strike against tourists in Kashmir since an insurgency started in 1989 against Indian rule over the territory, which is claimed by both India and Pakistan. It was the deadliest in Muslim-majority region since a suicide bomb targeted paramilitary forces in 2019. This time the terrorists ensured that almost all their victims were Hindu by forcing them to give their names, and seeing if they could recite Islamic verses, before killing them.
On April 27th the Indian Navy responded with long-range missile drills. India has expelled several Pakistani diplomats and suspended the Indus Water Treaty, signed in 1960 between the two countries. India and Pakistan have exchanged fire over several nights. Further confrontation looks likely.
Mr Modi has every right to retaliate against militant extremists for the killing of Indian citizens, but he needs to keep India’s broad interests in mind. His aim should be to bring justice and to restore deterrence, but not to escalate the decades-long animosity between two nuclear powers into a fight that would threaten the region and the world.
The first requirement for retaliation is evidence. Local police are searching for two Pakistani men and one Indian man. The Resistance Front (TRF), the group which initially claimed the attack on social media only to deny responsibility later, alleging that it was hacked, was founded in 2019 after Mr Modi’s government revoked Jammu & Kashmir’s semi-autonomous status. TRF was declared a terrorist group by Mr Modi’s government in 2023.
Mr Modi’s government alleges cross-border involvement from Pakistan. Some in India’s intelligence circles claim that TRF is a front for Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), a Pakistan-based armed group behind the attacks in Mumbai in 2008, in which nearly 170 people were killed. LeT does indeed have long and well-established ties to Pakistan’s intelligence services, but India has yet to provide public proof of its link to TRF.
The second requirement is for any retaliation to advance India’s aims. After similar attacks in 2019 and 2016, India conducted air strikes or sent ground troops into Pakistan-administrated Kashmir. Mr Modi vowed to bring peace to Kashmir by taking direct control in 2019. He may not just feel bound to acknowledge calls for revenge, but as a strongman leader he may also see a chance to confront Pakistan.
However, even if India intends a military confrontation to be limited, it could escalate. Pakistan has already shot down an Indian drone. Its defence minister has warned of an imminent military strike by India. In 2019 an Indian jet was shot down in Pakistani territory. On that occasion Pakistan returned the pilot unharmed a few days later. This time the government in Pakistan may be less accommodating. General Asim Munir, Pakistan’s army chief, could exploit a ***-for-tat response as a way to distract from his problems at home. Once an escalation has started it would be hard to stop.
Until India has established who was behind the attack, it should therefore exercise restraint. Targeted strikes on militants would be justified, but broader attacks on Pakistani military bases, without clear evidence of the army’s complicity, may not be. India also has more options that stop short of war. It should publish evidence about the perpetrators to shame Pakistan and it could, for example, try to disrupt the $7bn bail-out promised to Pakistan last year by the IMF. Its suspension of the water treaty is less drastic than it sounds; it is not about to divert lots of water. Still, it sends a message that Pakistan would benefit from more constructive relations with its neighbour.
Whatever he does, Mr Modi should be thinking about the long term. For India, Pakistan is a distraction, as it assumes a more expansive role as the leading power in South Asia. A regional war would frustrate its plans to profit from the trade dispute between America and China. Indeed, the attacks may have been timed to coincide with the visit to India of J.D. Vance, America’s vice-president. Rather than risking a fight today, India would do better to continue modernising its armed forces. That may not only deter Pakistan, but also advance its interests against China. In the long run India’s real regional rival is not in Islamabad, but Beijing. ■

www.economist.com

India must prove Pakistan’s complicity in the attack in Kashmir

It would then have every right to strike back
www.economist.com www.economist.com
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m.economictimes.com

Pakistani terrorist behind deadly Pahalgam attack is former para commando, probe finds

Investigations into the Pahalgam terror attack revealed Hashim Musa, a Pakistani terrorist and former para commando with LeT, orchestrated the massacre. Sent by LeT leadership, Musa targeted non-local civilians and security personnel. His military background, verified through OGW interrogations...
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:kp
 
MP2011 said:
Barely a fortnight before the Pahalgam attack, Union Home Minister Amit Shah had declared victory over terror. “Due to the sustained and coordinated efforts of the Modi government, the entire terror ecosystem nurtured by elements inimical to our country in J&K has been crippled,” he declared after his three-day tour of Jammu and Kashmir.
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I've followed your posts for a while.

they mostly revolve around your dislike for Modi and Hindutva. As an athiest, I can understand you revulsion for religion getting mucked with governance.

What would you like to see done differently wrt issues with Pakistan?

If possible, provide examples of measures by past administrations which worked.

I get the sense from your posts that you are Nehru fan and this is going to rankle you.

Nehru's ideological idiocy tied a ball and chain around India's neck in every which way possible.

Kashmir: Instead of defending aggressively and throwing out Jinnah's and using other available leverage to cripple Pakistan perfidy, he choose to take it to UN. He gave into Gandhi's emotional blackmail. The same UN which could nothing to prevent WW2.

Not having the learnt the lesson from invasion of Kashmir,

a) He choose to sign the most idiotic treaty ever: IWT. The lack of vision for the future and intellectual naivete is alarming.

b) chose not to build up the military and hot China in 62 as a reward.

c) During that attack, instead of taking Kennedy's help having been left hanging by the Soviets, he continued with his non-aligned idiocy

Economy: the 92 IMF debacle was a snowball generated by Nehruvian economics. enough said.

Education: While he can take credit for setting up IIT's. Instead of discussing Islamic rule in India in an open way, he white washed the Islamic atrocities in India through his education policy. Now that is being used a political weapon.

Society: instead setting up a truly secular system, he showed his ideological hypocrisy of secularism for Hindus only. He was communal as they come.

India might have been best served, if it both Nehru and Gandhi had been disposed off.
 

:kp
 
Devadwal said:
Expect who are sponsoring the terrorism and terrorist in india :kp
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I don't think Indian govt presented any proof on this yet, probably why all these quotes of support you are presenting are not singling out those entities. They are very carefully just announcing support against terror. Which of course we all echo as well.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I don't think Indian govt presented any proof on this yet, probably why all these quotes of support you are presenting are not singling out those entities. They are very carefully just announcing support against terror. Which of course we all echo as well.
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Haha . Pakistan accepted the mumbai terrorist attacks and even Pakistan Ex president musharaf admitted that Pakistan supports ,trained kashmir Mujahideen , terrorist . All the Proof were presented already . :kp
 
Devadwal said:
Haha . Pakistan accepted the mumbai terrorist attacks and even Pakistan Ex president musharaf admitted that Pakistan supports ,trained kashmir Mujahideen , terrorist . All the Proof were presented already . :kp
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So the quotes of support you are spamming the forum with are about Mumbai in 2011? :unsure:
 
Rumors/reports 4x top Ambassadors briefed their country's, no concrete evidence from Bharat regarding Pahalgam attack planned by Pakistan
 
Devadwal said:
Aren't we talking about terrorism? This is just not started with this attacks . 😂 :kp
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Check the thread title. It's literally the first two words are telling you what this is about and you are diverting to 2011.

It seems no subject is too horrific for you to keep smiling and trolling about.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Modi ducked out. Told the army Jo Karna, Kar lo. After whipping up hysteria. Now he can claim credit or if the plans fail he can blame the army by saying he gave them authority.
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What ? He has given full freedom to armed forces which is job of the leaders. Maybe this is not the process in the Pakistan as army rules all things so you're not aware :kp
 
Gaurav Aarya wants blood sitting in Noida , he made below the belt comments regarding #1 a fortnight ago
 
Devadwal said:
What ? He has given full freedom to armed forces which is job of the leaders. Maybe this is not the process in the Pakistan as army rules all things so you're not aware :kp
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IK from Adiala cell has also instructed Pakistan stakeholders to not let India loose ,and shoot to kill or shoot at sight, or whatever has echoed his support for prompt and full fledge response if anything happens
 
INS Vikrant also ready, Brahmos also ready , Rafael also ready, meanwhile Pak Army also on high alert from sea to Air
 
Kianig89 said:
IK from Adiala cell has also instructed Pakistan stakeholders to not let India loose ,and shoot to kill or shoot at sight, or whatever has echoed his support for prompt and full fledge response if anything happens
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First he should care about himself . 😂😂 :kp
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Please provide the quotes.
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Pakistan doing West’s dirty work for decades: Pakistan Defence Minister​


Pakistan Defence Minister Khawaja Asif has admitted the country’s history of supporting, training and funding terrorist organisations as “dirty work” for the West, a mistake for which he said Pakistan had suffered.

In an interview with Sky News aired overnight, news presenter Yalda Hakim questioned Mr. Asif on Pakistan’s response and stance on terrorism in the aftermath of the terrorist attack in Pahalgam that killed 26 people earlier this week.

“You do admit, sir, that Pakistan has had a long history of backing and supporting and training and funding these terrorist organisations,” asked Ms. Hakim.

“Well, we have been doing this dirty work for the United States for about three decades, you know, and the West, including Britain,” replied Mr. Asif.

“That was a mistake, and we suffered from that, and that is why you are saying this to me. If we had not joined the war against the Soviet Union and later on the war after 9/11, Pakistan's track record… was an unimpeachable track record,” he said.


www.thehindu.com

Pakistan doing West’s dirty work for decades: Pakistan Defence Minister

Pakistan's Defence Minister admits country's history of supporting terrorism as "dirty work" for the West in Sky News interview.
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#FalzeFelag

:najam
 
DG ISPR presents 'irrefutable' evidence of India's role in sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan
Director General Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Lieutenant General Ahmed Sharif Chaudhry presented "irrefutable" evidence of Indian-sponsored terrorism in Pakistan.

During a press conference in Rawalpindi on Tuesday, he said that Indian army officers are orchestrating cross-border terrorism within Pakistan and supplying explosives to target civilians and security forces.

He further stated that India had failed to provide "a shred of evidence" to support its allegations against Pakistan regarding the recent Pahalgam attack. “Seven days have passed since the Pahalgam incident, and so far, India has not presented any evidence for its baseless allegations,” Chaudhry added.

He revealed that India was operating a terror network inside Pakistan, providing improvised explosive devices (IEDs), explosives, and funds to militants. “This irrefutable evidence is just one small part of India’s state-sponsored terrorism,” the DG ISPR said.

DG ISPR detailed the arrest of a Pakistani citizen allegedly trained and sponsored by India. He said the suspect was apprehended near the Jhelum bus stand on April 25 and found in possession of an IED, two mobile phones, and Rs70,000.

Subsequent searches recovered an Indian-origin drone and Rs1 million in cash from the suspect’s residence. “Forensic analysis of the retrieved materials confirmed irrefutable evidence, verifiable by any credible independent agency,” Chaudhry said.

The ISPR chief identified the handler as Subedar Sukhwinder, a junior commissioned officer of the Indian army. He alleged that other Indian army personnel involved included Major Sandeep Verma, Subedar Sukvinder, Havildar Amit, and another soldier. “These individuals are directly involved in sponsoring terrorism inside Pakistan,” he said.

He added that Indian handlers were directing terrorists to deliberately cause civilian casualties in Pakistan and stage attacks designed to portray the country as a hub of terrorism internationally. He further revealed that handlers had sent detailed videos instructing how to manufacture explosive devices.

DG ISPR said that Major Sandeep, an Indian army officer, admitted to orchestrating terrorist activities spanning from Balochistan to Lahore.

He mentioned that on November 22, Subedar Sukhwinder allegedly instructed Abdul Majeed to collect an IED and a damaged drone near Head Marala.

A few days later, on November 30, Majeed reportedly planted an IED on a military vehicle in Jalalpur Jattan, resulting in the martyrdom of four personnel. For completing the task, he was allegedly paid Rs656,000.

He went on to share that on March 18, Subedar Sukhwinder provided coordinates for another IED near Kotli. The following day, schoolchildren discovered a suspicious bag, and army personnel later recovered a bomb from the area.

Following the recovery, Indian media falsely claimed that five bombs were found in Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir (IIOJK), which the DG ISPR dismissed as "blatant propaganda."

On April 22, 2025, Sukhwinder allegedly placed another IED near Nadalah. The next day, Abdul Majeed was instructed to detonate the device at a local bus stand, the military spokesperson added.

DG ISPR reiterated that the evidence underscored India’s active role in supplying explosives to terrorists operating within Pakistan’s borders. He called on the international community to take notice of India's actions.

Source: https://tribune.com.pk/story/2543023/india-orchestrating-terror-activities-in-pakistan-dg-ispr
 

:kp
 
PM held a meeting with Navy, Military, Airforce chiefs along with NSA, Home Minister

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Pahalgam false flag: Indian Army in crisis as northern command chief fired

The Indian Army is facing a deep internal crisis following the controversial Pahalgam incident, which has been labelled a "failed false flag operation" by insiders.

In what appears to be a panicked move, the Modi government has dismissed the head of the strategically crucial Northern Command, Lieutenant General MV Suchendra Kumar. Lieutenant General Pratik Sharma has been appointed as his successor and formally took charge on April 28.

According to high-level sources, the government has placed the blame for both the intelligence lapse and security failure squarely on Lt Gen Kumar, who had reportedly opposed any retaliatory action against Pakistan in the aftermath of the Pahalgam attack that killed 26 people. The leadership change has stirred discontent within military ranks, especially in the sensitive region of Jammu and Kashmir.


www.samaa.tv

Pahalgam false flag: Indian Army in crisis as northern command chief fired

Following the failed Pahalgam false flag operation, the Indian Army is facing a deep leadership crisis. Lt Gen MVS Kumar has been sacked, with Lt Gen Pratik Sharma taking over amid unrest, morale issues, and rising tensions in Kashmir.
www.samaa.tv www.samaa.tv
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Pahalgam false flag: Indian Army in crisis as northern command chief fired

The Indian Army is facing a deep internal crisis following the controversial Pahalgam incident, which has been labelled a "failed false flag operation" by insiders.

In what appears to be a panicked move, the Modi government has dismissed the head of the strategically crucial Northern Command, Lieutenant General MV Suchendra Kumar. Lieutenant General Pratik Sharma has been appointed as his successor and formally took charge on April 28.

According to high-level sources, the government has placed the blame for both the intelligence lapse and security failure squarely on Lt Gen Kumar, who had reportedly opposed any retaliatory action against Pakistan in the aftermath of the Pahalgam attack that killed 26 people. The leadership change has stirred discontent within military ranks, especially in the sensitive region of Jammu and Kashmir.


www.samaa.tv

Pahalgam false flag: Indian Army in crisis as northern command chief fired

Following the failed Pahalgam false flag operation, the Indian Army is facing a deep leadership crisis. Lt Gen MVS Kumar has been sacked, with Lt Gen Pratik Sharma taking over amid unrest, morale issues, and rising tensions in Kashmir.
www.samaa.tv www.samaa.tv
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Seem like all Mod working double times to post fake news about India from Pakistan propaganda factory .

I already exposed this claim of @The Bald Eagle in other thread.

The Northern Army commander Lieutenant General MV Suchindra Kumar will retire on April 30. Kumar was in Delhi on Tuesday for a retiring officers’ seminar but flew back to Srinagar for a first-hand assessment of the situation unfolding in Kashmir, people aware of the matter said. Lieutenant General Pratik Sharma, who is the deputy chief of army staff (strategy) at the Army headquarters here, is expected to succeed Kumar at the Northern Command .
:kp
https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...-set-for-change-in-guard-101745351432592.html
 
PK is dire need of leadership and today IK gave is opinion on the crisis in a tweet. He once again warned that Modi and his fascist ideology are a threat to regional peace. Leaders are born and not made. May Allah keep our Kaptaan safe.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“Loss of human life in Pahlgam incident is deeply disturbing and tragic. I extend my deepest condolences to the victims and their families.<br><br>When the False Flag Palwama Operation incident happened, we offered to extend all-out cooperation to India but India failed to produce any…</p>&mdash; Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href=" ">April 29, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Rajdeep said:

Pakistan doing West’s dirty work for decades: Pakistan Defence Minister​


Pakistan Defence Minister Khawaja Asif has admitted the country’s history of supporting, training and funding terrorist organisations as “dirty work” for the West, a mistake for which he said Pakistan had suffered.

In an interview with Sky News aired overnight, news presenter Yalda Hakim questioned Mr. Asif on Pakistan’s response and stance on terrorism in the aftermath of the terrorist attack in Pahalgam that killed 26 people earlier this week.

“You do admit, sir, that Pakistan has had a long history of backing and supporting and training and funding these terrorist organisations,” asked Ms. Hakim.

“Well, we have been doing this dirty work for the United States for about three decades, you know, and the West, including Britain,” replied Mr. Asif.

“That was a mistake, and we suffered from that, and that is why you are saying this to me. If we had not joined the war against the Soviet Union and later on the war after 9/11, Pakistan's track record… was an unimpeachable track record,” he said.


www.thehindu.com

Pakistan doing West’s dirty work for decades: Pakistan Defence Minister

Pakistan's Defence Minister admits country's history of supporting terrorism as "dirty work" for the West in Sky News interview.
www.thehindu.com www.thehindu.com


#FalzeFelag

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They are doing it for the west? Does that mean the US and UK are responsible for the 26/11 and Pahalgam attacks? If so, why is only Pakistan being blamed? :inti
 

Good Job to hand Over this Islamist to the police. :kp

 
Cricket Warrior said:
Pahalgam false flag: Indian Army in crisis as northern command chief fired

The Indian Army is facing a deep internal crisis following the controversial Pahalgam incident, which has been labelled a "failed false flag operation" by insiders.

In what appears to be a panicked move, the Modi government has dismissed the head of the strategically crucial Northern Command, Lieutenant General MV Suchendra Kumar. Lieutenant General Pratik Sharma has been appointed as his successor and formally took charge on April 28.

According to high-level sources, the government has placed the blame for both the intelligence lapse and security failure squarely on Lt Gen Kumar, who had reportedly opposed any retaliatory action against Pakistan in the aftermath of the Pahalgam attack that killed 26 people. The leadership change has stirred discontent within military ranks, especially in the sensitive region of Jammu and Kashmir.


www.samaa.tv

Pahalgam false flag: Indian Army in crisis as northern command chief fired

Following the failed Pahalgam false flag operation, the Indian Army is facing a deep leadership crisis. Lt Gen MVS Kumar has been sacked, with Lt Gen Pratik Sharma taking over amid unrest, morale issues, and rising tensions in Kashmir.
www.samaa.tv www.samaa.tv
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I already exposed this fake news spread by Pakistani news outlets and poster's @Cricket Warrior @The Bald Eagle :kp

 
Devadwal said:

Good Job to hand Over this Islamist to the police. :kp

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That anti national got thrashed badly which is good to see. All he needed to do is to leave the country if he doesn't like it there and stay where his heart is. What is the point of staying in India and loving Pakistan? :inti
 
Rajdeep said:
That anti national got thrashed badly which is good to see. All he needed to do is to leave the country if he doesn't like it there and stay where his heart is. What is the point of staying in India and loving Pakistan? :inti
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The kind of news are coming out w.r.t Pakistanis present in India. I can only say that some kind of supernatural power is saving this country. Baki humne koi kasar nai choddi barbad hone ki.

He has a Pakistani passport but he has voted in elections in India. How? As he says ‘Yahan pe statehood tha tab” . So, somebody has validated his residency for him to get a voter id card even though he is a Pakistani passport holder. These interviews are revealing a lot :mad:

 
Devadwal said:

Good Job to hand Over this Islamist to the police. :kp

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These anti nationals earning their bread and butter in India and praising enemy nation. It is only because of India alliance
 
Devadwal said:
The kind of news are coming out w.r.t Pakistanis present in India. I can only say that some kind of supernatural power is saving this country. Baki humne koi kasar nai choddi barbad hone ki.

He has a Pakistani passport but he has voted in elections in India. How? As he says ‘Yahan pe statehood tha tab” . So, somebody has validated his residency for him to get a voter id card even though he is a Pakistani passport holder. These interviews are revealing a lot :mad:

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India have no shortage of political brokers, just destroy India alliance, such frogs will not Popup again in India
 
Some Pakistan politicians claiming India will attack in 2 days, some are claiming India will attack midnight…. Pakistani politicians eagerly waiting India to attack Pakistan as they r tired of running their bankrupt country and repay IMF loans.
 
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