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Pakistan’s secret atheists

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How many Muslims are there in the world and how many atheists?

Any idea how many people, including Muslims, are turning away from religion my friend? It is the age of information, not swords. Only one from the two can win in this situation....I'll let you guess which one.
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] if certain countries didnt have the death penalty for atheism or imprisonment for atheism then you wouldnt get as many attention seeking atheists as you say.

luckily when u live in a western country you can be an atheist openly and most people wont say anything unless u are from a conservative religious family. But those in a country like Pakistan face violence abuse death threats being disowned. If someone was outed as an atheist in Pakistan or Saudi the chances of them being lynched is quite high. Look at Mashal Khan.

Those who live in countries where religion does affect peoples lives where it does infringe on human rights and civil liberties cant just afford to live their lives and get on with it or just be quiet about it . If they dress in a wrong way specifically women. if they talk in a wrong way or express "heretical" ideas they put themselves at risk of violence.

Which countries have the death penalty for atheism?

Why be an open athiest in the first place? You dont believe in religion, just live your life, nobody cares unless you start to spout hatred against religion openly then of course there will be some sensitive people who may resort to violence against you. The same goes for many things, If i openly citiciise British soldiers, Christianity, heck even a football club the same could happen to me. Does this mean football supporters are extremists too?
 
Any idea how many people, including Muslims, are turning away from religion my friend? It is the age of information, not swords. Only one from the two can win in this situation....I'll let you guess which one.

No why don't you enlighten me with some facts and figures which back up your claim. Your claim was .athiesim is spreading across the world while Islam is getting out of fashion.
 
Atheists talking against religion is attention seeking. Muslims talking openly about Islam is not? Hypocrisy.

If only Muslims would stick to just being annoying and talking about religion, it would be still be fine. Unfortunately, the attention seeking has taken a turn towards intolerance, murder and violence. No place for that in modern society I'm afraid...

Muslims are talking about something they believe in. They don't talk about green flying dragons which they don't believe in.

Please don't waste my time which foolish generalisations now.
 
No why don't you enlighten me with some facts and figures which back up your claim. Your claim was .athiesim is spreading across the world while Islam is getting out of fashion.

You live in Europe, what are you observing around you? Unless you spend your entire time in Muslim circles (possible given your posts), the fact that the world especially Europe is going religion-less shouldn't be news to you.

Nor should you be surprised why that is the case. Countries that are most religious are the ones in most strife today, particularly true for Muslim ones. Countries with no religious influence are some of the happiest.
 
Muslims are talking about something they believe in. They don't talk about green flying dragons which they don't believe in.

Please don't waste my time which foolish generalisations now.

Why talk about it in public? Keep your beliefs at home. Why does the world need to hear about what fairytale you like. More importantly, why should the world suffer at your hands because you think what you believe in is better than others?

If you bring your mess in the public forum, expect it to be questioned and ridiculed (if deserved).
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...ntries-where-atheism-punishable-death/355961/

These countries all Muslim majority nations. Others like Egypt have imprisonment instead. Yes even if u criticise British govt foreign policy soldiers. Jesus the Church that is your right to do that. If people are offended then they can be offended that doesnt mean someone can curb your free speech by attacking you or killing you. And if they did then they are an extremist.

The whole point of freedom of expression is to allow people to have views that even if u disagree 100% with them u allow them to express these views. Providing someone isnt saying after u listen to my speech go and kill a muslim or a jew or christian or atheist.

You have dawah guys in many big cities in the u.k preaching religion often in a fundamentalist way or even criticising the british political system and values now even if i disagree with them thats their right to air those views.
 
You live in Europe, what are you observing around you? Unless you spend your entire time in Muslim circles (possible given your posts), the fact that the world especially Europe is going religion-less shouldn't be news to you.

Nor should you be surprised why that is the case. Countries that are most religious are the ones in most strife today, particularly true for Muslim ones. Countries with no religious influence are some of the happiest.

Lets leave out what you think you know of me because at the moment, you don't even know what you are talking of.

You made a claim Atheism is sweeping the world and Islam is getting out of fashion. What evidence to you have to support this?
 
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Why talk about it in public? Keep your beliefs at home. Why does the world need to hear about what fairytale you like. More importantly, why should the world suffer at your hands because you think what you believe in is better than others?

If you bring your mess in the public forum, expect it to be questioned and ridiculed (if deserved).

It's their interest, something they believe in. People talk about things they believe in and they spend their lives doing, just like football. I don't see why people continuously talk of something which they think is a fair story.

Are you an atheist?
 
Lets leave out what you think you know of me because at the moment, you don't even know what you are talking of.

You made a claim Atheism is sweeping the world and Islam is getting out of fashion. What evidence to you have to support this?

Evidence already mentioned in previous thread. Your choice, if you want to observe and acknowledge, or keep head firmly buried in sand.
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...ntries-where-atheism-punishable-death/355961/

These countries all Muslim majority nations. Others like Egypt have imprisonment instead. Yes even if u criticise British govt foreign policy soldiers. Jesus the Church that is your right to do that. If people are offended then they can be offended that doesnt mean someone can curb your free speech by attacking you or killing you. And if they did then they are an extremist.

The whole point of freedom of expression is to allow people to have views that even if u disagree 100% with them u allow them to express these views. Providing someone isnt saying after u listen to my speech go and kill a muslim or a jew or christian or atheist.

You have dawah guys in many big cities in the u.k preaching religion often in a fundamentalist way or even criticising the british political system and values now even if i disagree with them thats their right to air those views.

There is a difference between blasphemy law and just being an atheist. Eg in your report (which i read a long time ago and knew you would post this) Pakistan has a blasphemy law which can be applied to anyone, not just atheists. There is no law in Pakistan which punishes you for just be an atheist. It's important to understand the crucial difference.
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] being an open atheist matters because in places where religion still impacts society in a big way its an expression of difference and deviance which the orthodoxy will crack down.

when people are infringing human rights abuses in the name of religion on a daily basis then critiquing those practices is something that has to be done for society to change.

living in a western country where the mantra is actually live n let live then there is no need to shout about your atheism as it is not even a social issue. But in many places it still is especially somewhere like Pakistan.
 
Evidence already mentioned in previous thread. Your choice, if you want to observe and acknowledge, or keep head firmly buried in sand.

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What previous thread?

Just post it here . It' a big claim you made, now prove it. Can't be heard if it is true. :inti
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] being an open atheist matters because in places where religion still impacts society in a big way its an expression of difference and deviance which the orthodoxy will crack down.

when people are infringing human rights abuses in the name of religion on a daily basis then critiquing those practices is something that has to be done for society to change.

living in a western country where the mantra is actually live n let live then there is no need to shout about your atheism as it is not even a social issue. But in many places it still is especially somewhere like Pakistan.

Finally you make a decent point.

I agree if religion is ruining a country then there is nothing wrong with people openly calling for an end to it. But the problem atheists have is it's not religion is which is doing the damage but other issues such as poor law and order, corruption and lack of institutions.
 
It's their interest, something they believe in. People talk about things they believe in and they spend their lives doing, just like football. I don't see why people continuously talk of something which they think is a fair story.

Are you an atheist?

I would say believing in religion is slightly different than being interested in football. The former goes several steps beyond interest in football, and has led to negative consequences such as discrimination, suppression, violence, intolerance, etc and the reason is every religion preaches some form of bigotry. With such consequences, it shouldn't be surprising that people (atheists and otherwise) speak out against religion.

If the bigotry was kept at home and in private, maybe even just in designated places of bigotry, atheists (and others) wouldn't spend time or energy openly speaking against it.
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] yes Pakistans blasphemy laws covers more than just atheism unlike those others countries which have clear punishments for apostasy and atheism.

But part of the blasphemy law is if a Muslim utters disbelief openly and renounces their religion they are committing blasphemy which gets them on death row or just rotting in jail for their whole lives. Thats if you dont get lynched once your cover has been blown.
 
I would say believing in religion is slightly different than being interested in football. The former goes several steps beyond interest in football, and has led to negative consequences such as discrimination, suppression, violence, intolerance, etc and the reason is every religion preaches some form of bigotry. With such consequences, it shouldn't be surprising that people (atheists and otherwise) speak out against religion.

If the bigotry was kept at home and in private, maybe even just in designated places of bigotry, atheists (and others) wouldn't spend time or energy openly speaking against it.

There is more to these issues than just religion. It's easy for people like you to simply blame religion because you don't have the vision or understanding of the deeper issues in society.

Are you an atheist?
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] yes Pakistans blasphemy laws covers more than just atheism unlike those others countries which have clear punishments for apostasy and atheism.

But part of the blasphemy law is if a Muslim utters disbelief openly and renounces their religion they are committing blasphemy which gets them on death row or just rotting in jail for their whole lives. Thats if you dont get lynched once your cover has been blown.

This is their law. We also have laws of treason in the west. When Michael Moore released his documentary Fahrenheit 911 there were calls to punish him for treason, a crime punished by the death penalty too. Most Muslim nations are third world with no law and order and poor judiciary which is why injustice takes place.

Do you not believe in democracy? If the majority 99% want laws to protect their religion from abuse, why can't they?
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] yes corruption fraud poor infrastructure and all that does play a part in somewhere like Pakistan. But so does religion. When a religion has tenets that are anti human rights it also is an issue in contributing to the negative situation of a society.

Now if u are believer then u will think the religion is good but everything else is bad.

But being irreligious religion especially in its fundamentalist forms contributes to the stunting of development in Pakistan. Thats why you have Mullahs blocking bills put forward by Parliament to try fight child marriage because its deemed unislamic.

Mullahs in India have done the same thing fighting against raising the minimum age of marriage from 12 for a Muslim girl. Fighting against abolishing of the triple talaq law. when u give religion so much power naturally it will always try to stop changes that loosen its grip on power over people. Same thing happened in Europe too.
 
There is more to these issues than just religion. It's easy for people like you to simply blame religion because you don't have the vision or understanding of the deeper issues in society.

Are you an atheist?

Religion is a primary source of social evil in modern day society, along with other factors. The role of religion cannot and is not swept under the carpet by apologists like you. This is not the 6th century AD, people are empowered to make their own decisions, defend their rights, and advance society. Any one or thing getting in the way of that will eventually fade. Unfortunately, religion is that thing currently. You should not lose hope, religions can reform and Islam has some examples out there to follow.

As for me, I am anti-bigotry and injustice, and pro logic. You can label that whatever you want.
 
Religion is a primary source of social evil in modern day society, along with other factors. The role of religion cannot and is not swept under the carpet by apologists like you. This is not the 6th century AD, people are empowered to make their own decisions, defend their rights, and advance society. Any one or thing getting in the way of that will eventually fade. Unfortunately, religion is that thing currently. You should not lose hope, religions can reform and Islam has some examples out there to follow.

As for me, I am anti-bigotry and injustice, and pro logic. You can label that whatever you want.

I'm a Muslim and believe my religion is perfect. It's not being an apologist because I defend what I believe to be true. You don't understand the basic difference between the faith and some of its' followers but you'll get there one day.

Do you believe in God?
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] yes corruption fraud poor infrastructure and all that does play a part in somewhere like Pakistan. But so does religion. When a religion has tenets that are anti human rights it also is an issue in contributing to the negative situation of a society.

Now if u are believer then u will think the religion is good but everything else is bad.

But being irreligious religion especially in its fundamentalist forms contributes to the stunting of development in Pakistan. Thats why you have Mullahs blocking bills put forward by Parliament to try fight child marriage because its deemed unislamic.

Mullahs in India have done the same thing fighting against raising the minimum age of marriage from 12 for a Muslim girl. Fighting against abolishing of the triple talaq law. when u give religion so much power naturally it will always try to stop changes that loosen its grip on power over people. Same thing happened in Europe too.

What people do has no bearing on the principles of religion unless they are following those properly.

Can you name these tenets in religion you claim are anti human rights? Who decides on what is a human right, you?

Answer this please.

Do you not believe in democracy? If the majority 99% want laws to protect their religion from abuse, why can't they?
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] if majority in U.K wanted to make being Muslim illegal it doesnt make it right. There is such concept of tyranny of the majority. If u cant tolerate diversity of opinions in a society then that is a tyrannical society. And the mullahs have made Pakistan like that after years of radicalisation of society.

laws of treason is for putting the people at risk by selling information or colluding with a hostile foreign power. A lot diff to getting a blasphemy charge just for having a different belief.

People mightve called Michael Moore a traitor for his film which i watched was very entertaining but no american person or group lynched him or killed him. Nor was he ever arrested or tried in a court of law because he was exercising his first amendment rights to free speech. even if it was suggesting a govt covering up knowledge of the deadliest terrorist attack on U.S Soil.
 
I'm a Muslim and believe my religion is perfect. It's not being an apologist because I defend what I believe to be true. You don't understand the basic difference between the faith and some of its' followers but you'll get there one day.

Do you believe in God?

Defending something while compromising your moral obligation to be fair and just is not admirable in my onion. That Islam, as other religions do, promotes discrimination and intolerance should be condoned by all. Blind faith that Islam is perfect is not a great starting place.

Given what we know today, it's difficult to conclude that there is a God. I'm open to the possibility should new information come to light.
 
Defending something while compromising your moral obligation to be fair and just is not admirable in my onion. That Islam, as other religions do, promotes discrimination and intolerance should be condoned by all. Blind faith that Islam is perfect is not a great starting place.

Given what we know today, it's difficult to conclude that there is a God. I'm open to the possibility should new information come to light.

According to you it promotes intolerance, just your opinion pal. I would ask for evidence but we know you wont provide any. :najam

You're an agnostic.
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] if majority in U.K wanted to make being Muslim illegal it doesnt make it right. There is such concept of tyranny of the majority. If u cant tolerate diversity of opinions in a society then that is a tyrannical society. And the mullahs have made Pakistan like that after years of radicalisation of society.

laws of treason is for putting the people at risk by selling information or colluding with a hostile foreign power. A lot diff to getting a blasphemy charge just for having a different belief.

People mightve called Michael Moore a traitor for his film which i watched was very entertaining but no american person or group lynched him or killed him. Nor was he ever arrested or tried in a court of law because he was exercising his first amendment rights to free speech. even if it was suggesting a govt covering up knowledge of the deadliest terrorist attack on U.S Soil.

There is a difference in opinions and outright abuse. Islam welcomes debate, you can check history. People just don't want people standing in public abusing what they hold dear.

You miss my point against Moore, it's not what people would or wouldn't do it's there is a law of treason against speech. You're making a basic schoolboy error, don't confuse the actions of the people with the principles of a belief or law.
 
According to you it promotes intolerance, just your opinion pal. I would ask for evidence but we know you wont provide any. :najam

You're an agnostic.

I get the feeling evidence to you is a nicely typed up report with charts and figures. This may be hard to get, though won't be surprised if someone is working on such a report to measure the ill effects of religion on society.

Meanwhile, look at Pakistan, a country we both care about, and tell me you don't see the many catastrophic consequences of religion. Persecution of minorities is the easiest one to start with.

Agnostic or Atheist. Muslim or Hindu. These are just labels. Simple minded folks may use them to understand the world around them, and decide how they feel about and want to treat different people. IMO people should be judged by their values.
 
I get the feeling evidence to you is a nicely typed up report with charts and figures. This may be hard to get, though won't be surprised if someone is working on such a report to measure the ill effects of religion on society.

Meanwhile, look at Pakistan, a country we both care about, and tell me you don't see the many catastrophic consequences of religion. Persecution of minorities is the easiest one to start with.

Agnostic or Atheist. Muslim or Hindu. These are just labels. Simple minded folks may use them to understand the world around them, and decide how they feel about and want to treat different people. IMO people should be judged by their values.

No scripture, textual evidence is available probably more than any other religion.

Pakistan's issues are mainly due to corruption and lack of law and order.

It's a label to define ones belief/lack of belief not a label to define what one is as a person.
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION].

Freedom of expression is banned in Islam. Under Sharia a Muslim cant leave Islam openly eithet for atheism or another religion and the punishment is death if that person doesnt turn back to Islam.

if u follow Sharia literally then veiling for women is also regarded as compulsory.

Freedom of Speech of course blasphemy laws fall under that.

Freedom to marry who u want. Of course a Muslim man has more leeway he can marry a Jew or a Christian but not anyone outside that unless they become Muslim. Muslim women can only marry Muslim men.

not to mention Sharia punishments like lashing and stoning for basically choosing who u have sex with.

womens testimony is only worth half of a man in a sharia court.

The triple talaq law totally biased against women. a man can just say that to get a divorce but a woman has to go to a qazi to request a divorce only then if she can prove wrongdoing by her husband.


these are just some of the edicts that make up the quran and sunnah that violate human rights. a Muslim once born into the religion cant change that according to mainstream and literal interpretation of Islam.


Islam in a political system will lead to autocratic tyranny.

People can have this romanticised view of what life under so called true Islam is . But it is closer to Saudi and Iran than any of the western countries many on pp live in.
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] Law of treason in most western countries is regarding spying for the enemy and selling state secrets to an enemy or exposing them.

making documentaries critiquing the govt isnt part of that treason law. And if govt starts persecuting film makers then that is killing freedom of speech.

the excuse of hurt feelings justifying murder against people or locking them up is draconian to say the least.
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION].

Freedom of expression is banned in Islam. Under Sharia a Muslim cant leave Islam openly eithet for atheism or another religion and the punishment is death if that person doesnt turn back to Islam.

if u follow Sharia literally then veiling for women is also regarded as compulsory.

Freedom of Speech of course blasphemy laws fall under that.

Freedom to marry who u want. Of course a Muslim man has more leeway he can marry a Jew or a Christian but not anyone outside that unless they become Muslim. Muslim women can only marry Muslim men.

not to mention Sharia punishments like lashing and stoning for basically choosing who u have sex with.

womens testimony is only worth half of a man in a sharia court.

The triple talaq law totally biased against women. a man can just say that to get a divorce but a woman has to go to a qazi to request a divorce only then if she can prove wrongdoing by her husband.


these are just some of the edicts that make up the quran and sunnah that violate human rights. a Muslim once born into the religion cant change that according to mainstream and literal interpretation of Islam.


Islam in a political system will lead to autocratic tyranny.

People can have this romanticised view of what life under so called true Islam is . But it is closer to Saudi and Iran than any of the western countries many on pp live in.

lol. Where do you get this from the EDL handbook?

Apostasy is just like treason. If you had any basic knowledge you would know this came into being as people were becoming Muslims only to infiltrate Muslims but then turn their back and use this to attack them.

The Veil has nothing to do with Islam let alone Sharia.

There is no blasphemy law in Islam. The Prophet(pbuh) was abused to his face. There is a famous incident where a woman used to abuse him everytime he walked past but one day she didn't he asked if she was ok/well.

There are laws regarding marriage. Muslims are happy to follow them as they understand the reasoning.

Stoning isn't in Islam.

Testimony actually gives women advantage as another woman can come to help one out but another man can't .

There is no triple talaq law.

You are the most ignorant poster ive come across when it comes to Islam. Carry on believing in what you think it's true, it's beneath me to waste my time with you on this particular subject.
 
While the state is at fault for not holding a probe and forcible cremation, what is more saddening is the lionising of a gangster by the community (including some of my relatives).

Yeah the glorification of gangster is what pisses me off too but surely even you would agree that the govt is at fault here else why would they object to this small demand of CBI enquiry.
Khair Rajputs won't sit quite this time.There will be chaos in the state and BJP should forget about forming govt in the next elections.
 
There is no blasphemy law in Islam. The Prophet(pbuh) was abused to his face. There is a famous incident where a woman used to abuse him everytime he walked past but one day she didn't he asked if she was ok/well

“A blind man had a freed concubine (Umm walad) who used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and say bad things about him. He told her not to do that but she did not stop, and he rebuked her but she did not heed him. One night, when she started to say bad things about the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and insult him, he took a short sword or dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it and killed her. A child fell between her legs, and became covered by blood. The following morning that was mentioned to the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). He called the people together and said, “I ask by Allah the man who has done this action and I order him by my right over him that he should stand up.” The blind man stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allah, I am the one who did it; she used to insult you and say bad things about you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not give up her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was kind to me. Last night she began to insult you and say bad things about you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.” Thereupon the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Bear witness, there is no blood money due for her.”
(Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Sunan Abi Dawood 4361).

Let's start with this. I came across this hadith when someone was trying to justify Mashal Khan's murder.
 
Apostasy is just like treason. If you had any basic knowledge you would know this came into being as people were becoming Muslims only to infiltrate Muslims but then turn their back and use this to attack them.

That's Zakir Naik logic. Nowhere is it mentioned that this punishment is only for treason. People who are born into the religion are handed out the same punishment. Maybe the perfect religion, as you said, should have made a distinction. Or maybe it didn't because that is the punishment for Apostasy.
 
In past, societies were neither mature or open enough to accept reason and evidence base Science. Scientist in past still has mostly those key principles, they were more liberal and reason oriented in there thought process specially in areas of interest.

You have to understand how science has evolved over time. When societies and individuals focus on evidence and reason base knowledge Science has thrive, when they revert to Faith(Belief without evidence), Science has struggled...Watch this presentation by Neil on this subject, he explains it...If you watch whole COSMOS series, that would be even better, its available on netflix for free...



As soon as we can get these Neil De Grasse Tyson videos distributed among the poor masses in Pakistan, atheism will triumph over religion. The days of the madrassah education will be over. I have great faith in our Pakistani atheist elite to use their superior intellect and resources to outwit the mullahs.
 
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Yes Quran and Sunnah is the EDL handbook. The fact Islam proscribes these punishments doesnt mean all Muslims are like this. A lot of Muslims are better than these medieval texts.

Apostasy at the time of the Caliphs was like treason as the whole identity was based on religion. I totally understand why for political reasons they had it back then in a primitive society. But people still implement this punishment today simply for people having views deemed to be too heretical and challenging the status quo even if u are not actually an atheist or non believer. As soon as someone charges u as an apostate and blasphemer you are a walking target in somwhere like Pakistan and much of the Muslim world. Apostasy punishment in this day and age has become obsolete as the circumstances are totally different and it is used merely to perpetuate social control and conformity.

Or Zakir Naiks ridiculous logic of you cant preach other faiths in Muslim countries because we know its false. But its ok for him to preach against hinduism sitting in India. If the religion is so perfect surely it will able to defend itself from all comers. But like a lot of doctrines that claim a monopoly on truth often that monopoly has to be maintained through coercion and shutting down of debate.

stoning is in the hadith.

https://sunnah.com/urn/1268790

https://sunnah.com/urn/1268730

Yes i am sure Muslim men are fairly happy with islamic marriage laws as it is totally rigged in their favour. Why need to change and lose that position of power and privilege.

it doesnt help a woman out at all as two womens testimony is always required to equal that of a mans. So if its a mans words against a womans and she cant get another witness automatically her case is dismissed according to Sharia. And why is is that two women are required for one man.

Narrated Abu Hurairah:
that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) delivered a Khtubah in which he exhorted them, then he said: "O women! Give charity for you are the majority of the people of the Fire." A woman among them said: "And why is that O Messenger of Allah?" He said: "Because of your cursing so much." - meaning your ungratefulness towards your husbands. He said: "And I have not seen any among those lacking in intellect and religion who are more difficult upon people possessing reason and insight than you." A woman among them said: "And what is the deficiency of her intellect and religion?" He said: "The testimony of two women among you is like the testimony of a man, and the deficiency in your religion is menstruation, because one of you will go three or four days without performing Salat."

https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/40/8

so because the perfect human being decided women are inferior in intellect to men thats why two female witnesses are required to one man in a Sharia court. Which if done by any modern legal system would be classed as misogynistic and sexist. Its all well and good in the 7th century but now these laws just perpetuate discrimination.


the due penalty for those who insult the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allah exalt his mention ) and harm him by speaking ill of him with poetry or otherwise is death - and this was the penalty that Ka‘b bin Al-Ashraf received. We derive from this that anyone who verbally abuses the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allah exalt his mention ) whether in covenant with the Muslims or not, is due death as punishment. Shaykh Al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah may Allah have mercy upon him aptly explained these rulings in detail in his book As-Saarim Al-Maslool ‘alaa Shaatim Ar-Rasool:

Punishment for Blasphemy is recorded in the Sira ul RasulAllah and hadith. And has been used by scholars to justify blasphemy punishments. Molvis dont justify death sentence for blasphemy out of thin air.

https://quran.com/9/29-39?translations=20

So if u say talaq talaq talaq to your wife that wont be classed as divorce under islamic law. That is rubbish go to any imam and say that u said talaq 3 times to your wife and they will say she isnt halal for you anymore. But the women can only get divorce at the discretion of a judge. which is unfair and again a rigged system.

Yes anyone who doesnt conform to your own biases and criticises Islam automatically becomes ignorant on the topic. Living in western countries we get an experience of a watered down Islam but u go to a country where the religion still has power and legal control then u see the injustices it perpetuates.
 
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