Pakistan (2007-2017) vs India (1992-1999) - Which team was worse in ODIs?

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Majority of the Pakistan and Indian fans would agree that
India was weakest in ODIs the 1990s and Pakistan in the 2007 to 2017 period..both teams reached one WC SF and were humiliated in the rest of the 2 WCs
Pakistan could not win a single series from 2008 to 2011
India was led by Azharuddin on the other hand Pakistan by Misbah(2011 onwards).both very similar captains in terms of approach

So which team according to you was worse?

Have your say...

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Didnt see India fully during 1922-1999 but Pakistan 2007-2017 certainly was one of the worst for a nation with cricket crazy people and bundle of ability... Mediocrity ki hadd wahan paar hui when we were happy qualifying for semi finals and quarter finals.. so in a sport where only 8 teams are non minnow reaching quarter final (top 8) is an achievement .. wah!

 

[Last Monetarist]

Pakistan are comfortably worse, given that we don't possess batsmen such as Tendulkar, Ganguly or Azhar. India in the nineties were hopeless overseas but remember them winning a few pretty symbolic tri-series events, notably the Hero Cup against the WI and SA in 93, Titan Cup against SA and Australia in 96 and the Sharjah Cup against Australia and NZ in 98. That's without even stating the miserable fact that they also beat us in all three World Cup matches during this period.

 

[another drop catch]

Pakistan

 

[Hamza78]

India was worst

 

[Shinwari Khan]

Let’s see who we had in 2007-2017

Shahid Afridi
Umar Gul
Saeed Ajmal
Mohammed Hafeez
Abdul Razzaq
Mohammad Amir
Mohammad Asif
Salman Butt
Anwar Ali
Many many more

Pakistan was light years ahead

Don’t forget

Muhammad Yousuf
Danish Kaneria
Younis Khan

 

[Proactive_]

Don't you think a 10 year time period is a bit of a stretch?

 

[CanadianG00se]

Indian team of 2017s is far worse than any of the teams mentioned in OP.

We are back to being minnows, its matter of time we would be playing qualifiers too like Windies.

 

[todfod 11]

ndia was better. Azhar Tendulkar srinath dravid ganguly were all great players. On the other pakistan didnt have any one apart from Afridi.
India won quite a few series like Titan cup vs Aus and South africa
Indepence cup against pak sri lanka I think.
Also they beat Pakistan 4-1 in one of the series in sharjah.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Let’s see who we had in 2007-2017

Shahid Afridi
Umar Gul
Saeed Ajmal
Mohammed Hafeez
Abdul Razzaq
Mohammad Amir
Mohammad Asif
Salman Butt
Anwar Ali
Many many more

Pakistan was light years ahead

Don’t forget

Muhammad Yousuf
Danish Kaneria
Younis Khan

India had
Tendulakar
Azhar
Srinath
Dravid
Manjrekar
Ganguly
Kumble

Most of the players you mentioned are test players

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

ndia was better. Azhar Tendulkar srinath dravid ganguly were all great players. On the other pakistan didnt have any one apart from Afridi.
India won quite a few series like Titan cup vs Aus and South africa
Indepence cup against pak sri lanka I think.
Also they beat Pakistan 4-1 in one of the series in sharjah.

Yes but also keep in mind that alot of tri series were played back in the 90s so winning one or two cups was not much of an achievement....

 

[babajee]

Anwar Ali
Bilawal Bhatti
Wahab Riaz

best attack ever

 

[Hamza_]

Back in 90s teams were more competitive that is why India struggled although their team was better.

Pakistan from 2007-2017 did easily beat likes of SL, West Indies etc although team was significantly weak compared to India of 90s.

 

[Cric1234]

Wahab Riaz
Sohail Tanvir
Anwar Ali
Bilawal Bhatti
Rahat Ali
Asad Shafiq
Younis Khan
Imran Farhat

The list goes on the mediocrity and undeserving selections in the last 10 years.

 

[todfod 11]

Yes but also keep in mind that alot of tri series were played back in the 90s so winning one or two cups was not much of an achievement....

Yes but pakistan didnt win any major series in one day from 2007 to 2017 apart from the aisa cup. I dian team of 1990s will easily beat pakistan team of 2011.

 

[Shinwari Khan]

India had
Tendulakar
Azhar
Srinath
Dravid
Manjrekar
Ganguly
Kumble

Most of the players you mentioned are test players

Only Salman is a Test player. I know better

 

[Pak_lover6]

Yes but pakistan didnt win any major series in one day from 2007 to 2017 apart from the aisa cup. I dian team of 1990s will easily beat pakistan team of 2011.

We also won an away series against India and South Africa but yes we were the worse.

 

[Hitman]

India were quite a good ODI side in 1998-1999, particularly at home.

 

[MoJoJoJo]

Pakistan from 2012-2017 were worse.. till 2011, we were ranked 3rd in odis , won t20 world cup 2009 and reached semis of cwc 11..

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan, and it is not even a comparison. The 90's Tendulkar alone is worth more than our entire ODI team of the Misbah era.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Pakistan from 2012-2017 were worse.. till 2011, we were ranked 3rd in odis , won t20 world cup 2009 and reached semis of cwc 11..

Yes but that was only for 1 year..we could not win a singke ODI series from 2008-2011

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Ganguly, Tendulkar, Azhar and Dravid would smash 00s ODI bowlers all day long and Indian trundlers of 90s would get smashed to all parts in any era

Pakistan's ODI batting during Misbah era was a joke but our bowlers kept us competitive and won couple of hard series/Asia cup etc.

If I have to choose between two sides I'd go with India of 90s due to their batting strength but would turn off TV when bowling

 

[Savak]

India were not exactly as weak as we think they were in the 1990's, they always had good batsmen. Srinath was a good bowler, Anil Kumble was a good bowler. They should have done better in the 90's.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

As much as I hate to admit it, India of that 90s era would smash the beJesus out of our previous decade lot, all day everyday.

 

[ManFan]

I hate to nag on Ol' Blood and Clots Misbah in retirement but he is directly responsible for that slump in ODI's. We won series in India, SA, and Asia Cup but all that caused was extension of TTF's and mediocrity. No batsman developed, no captain developed, and our suffering was extended by two years due to the worst decision in cricket management history by appointing a player who hasn't been selected in the format for two years as the captain. India lacked two good bowlers during the 90' that kept them from being a great team. Kumble, Srinath, and Prasad were horrible in ODI's.They needed to attack and not defend which is why they bowled often defensive lines that were pulled or cut by our openers all over the ground and never went for the kill despite being on top ( AUS 2004 ) that continued until Dhoni took over.

 

[troodon]

India were not exactly as weak as we think they were in the 1990's, they always had good batsmen. Srinath was a good bowler, Anil Kumble was a good bowler. They should have done better in the 90's.

Other teams were much better than Indian team back in 90's. Only NZL was weak. Even Lanka used to smash India for fun from 1996-1999.

Indian batting was a joke. Outside of Sachin there was no consistent batsman. Ganguly and Dravid did not become regular until 1999.
The likes of Kambli, Amre, Robin Singh, Azhar(choker) used to be our batting. Not to forget the pathetic openers we treid out in Woorkeri Raman, Sadagopan Ramesh etc.

Bowling was atrocious barring Kumble. Srinath was massively erratic. Used to go at over 5.5 rpo. The rest of trundlers like Prasad, Mohanty, Kuruvilla etc were cannon fodder.

I remember Saeed Anwar used to step out and flick these trundlers for sixes and embarrass them regularly. Even Srinath who could bowl over 140k used to operate in low 130's because he would spray all over if he bowls fast.

 

[Hasan123]

90s Sachin was a brilliant ODI player. Even in our best periods in LO we haven't bad a batsmen who's even close to Sachin.

2007-2017 Pakistan was the worse side

 

[Syed1]

I wonder whose captaincy was the biggest factor in our minnow side of 2007-2017

 

[FreePalestine]

Indian team of 2017s is far worse than any of the teams mentioned in OP.

We are back to being minnows, its matter of time we would be playing qualifiers too like Windies.

Yes, I agree with this comment. Overall, Pak had a poor time during that period, but we did have some good teams at certain points. I think close to 2010 you had Amir, Asif, Gul, Akhtar, Razzaq, Ajmal, Afridi, Hafeez all available. That's a pretty decent bowling squad.

 

[Abdullah719]

Yes, I agree with this comment. Overall, Pak had a poor time during that period, but we did have some good teams at certain points. I think close to 2010 you had Amir, Asif, Gul, Akhtar, Razzaq, Ajmal, Afridi, Hafeez all available. That's a pretty decent bowling squad.

Yeah but then you consider that Amir and Asif were soon out of the picture (the latter was never that great in ODIs anyway), Akhtar was nearing the end of his career, Razzaq was essentially a part-time trundler... so you're left with a decent Gul, Ajmal, Afridi and Hafeez.

 

[Mobashir]

2007 we played world t20 final
2009 won the World Cup
2011 semi final of World Cup and being the best team until the elimination.
2011-2017 was very very poor.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

2007 we played world t20 final
2009 won the World Cup
2011 semi final of World Cup and being the best team until the elimination.
2011-2017 was very very poor.

Yes but that was T20I we are taking about odis....
India also reached the semis in 1996..if the WC is in asia reaching the semis is not a big thing for any asian team..

 

[FreePalestine]

Yeah but then you consider that Amir and Asif were soon out of the picture (the latter was never that great in ODIs anyway), Akhtar was nearing the end of his career, Razzaq was essentially a part-time trundler... so you're left with a decent Gul, Ajmal, Afridi and Hafeez.

Yes, but even without all those, was still a decent bowling line-up, I reckon. Afridi and Hafeez batting in the top 8, so still two spots below for seamers. Junaid was coming into his own as well around that time.

That bowling line up was pretty decent, and got us to a SF place even though we had lost Amir and Asif to match fixing. It was only when Ajmal and Hafeez were banned that we really struggled.

Also early 2000's which featured one of our weakest ODI bowling line ups in recent memory...

 

[HateKiller]

Other teams were much better than Indian team back in 90's. Only NZL was weak. Even Lanka used to smash India for fun from 1996-1999.

Indian batting was a joke. Outside of Sachin there was no consistent batsman. Ganguly and Dravid did not become regular until 1999.
The likes of Kambli, Amre, Robin Singh, Azhar(choker) used to be our batting. Not to forget the pathetic openers we treid out in Woorkeri Raman, Sadagopan Ramesh etc.

Bowling was atrocious barring Kumble. Srinath was massively erratic. Used to go at over 5.5 rpo. The rest of trundlers like Prasad, Mohanty, Kuruvilla etc were cannon fodder.

I remember Saeed Anwar used to step out and flick these trundlers for sixes and embarrass them regularly. Even Srinath who could bowl over 140k used to operate in low 130's because he would spray all over if he bowls fast.

Saeed Anwar had difficult times against Mohanty.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Majority of the Pakistan and Indian fans would agree that
India was weakest in ODIs the 1990s and Pakistan in the 2007 to 2017 period..both teams reached one WC SF and were humiliated in the rest of the 2 WCs
Pakistan could not win a single series from 2008 to 2011
India was led by Azharuddin on the other hand Pakistan by Misbah(2011 onwards).both very similar captains in terms of approach

So which team according to you was worse?

Have your say...

We won against SA in SA, for the first time if I’m not wrong, we won against India in India and we won one Asia Cup and got into the final of another. But the sad thing is that these are the only victories I can remember from the top of my head. So that is saying something about the situation of our team between 2007-2017. Didn’t see India of 90’s so can’t comment on it.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

We won against SA in SA, for the first time if I’m not wrong, we won against India in India and we won one Asia Cup and got into the final of another. But the sad thing is that these are the only victories I can remember from the top of my head. So that is saying something about the situation of our team between 2007-2017. Didn’t see India of 90’s so can’t comment on it.

Oh, I forgot to mention 2011 WC. My bad!

 

[hafizexpress]

Just wanted to point out Pakistan had an amazing 2013 barring the CT. Multiple away series win plus balanced team although if compared to now looks inferior.

 

[todfod 11]

India were not exactly as weak as we think they were in the 1990's, they always had good batsmen. Srinath was a good bowler, Anil Kumble was a good bowler. They should have done better in the 90's.

Exactly.. it was just that other teams were better. Saf , Aus Sri lanka Pakistan were all very formidable batting sides. Even kenya and zimbabwe were good odi units.

 

[giri26]

India in the 90's were not a weak team but again their strength on the paper rarely translated on the field. It was Sachin or bust in most of the games in the 90's. Only when Sourav Ganguly and the middle order of Kaif and Yuvraj started to come to their own did India start to win games more consistently. The Indian batting also was way overrated especially when paying away from home. There was lots of pressure on Sachin to give blazing starts and bat through the 50 overs maintaining the run rate in most of the games. None of the other batsmen were capable of it away from home. I still remember when Amir Sohail was Pakistan captain in Sharjah, he said in Post match presentation that once they had gotten Sachin out, they knew it was just matter of time. So the present team is nowhere close to that. Rohit, Dhawan, Dhoni and Kohli all can still win you games.

 

[proud_pakistani]

India was way better. Even through a poor patch they had a very good batting line up and it was only their bowling that let them down. The only bowler who they had in that time who could win them games was Anil Kumble. In batting they had Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly, Azharuddin. Guys like Jadeja and Robin Singh were the only average batsmen they had.

 

[Hitman]

India was way better. Even through a poor patch they had a very good batting line up and it was only their bowling that let them down. The only bowler who they had in that time who could win them games was Anil Kumble. In batting they had Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly, Azharuddin. Guys like Jadeja and Robin Singh were the only average batsmen they had.

Actually Jadeja was a very competent ODI batsman who often played the role of damage control. Also he could shift gears with his batting.

 

[Madplayer]

Pakistan was worse by a landslide.

I remember this was the batting line up in one of the ODI series

Farhat
Hafeez
Younis
Shafiq
Misbah
Afridi
Adnan akmal

And the squads used to have players like abdur rehman the passenger, sohail tanvir, yasir arafat (decent compared to others)

What a nightmare for a Pakistan fan!!!!!

 

[Saffer_XIII]

Anwar Ali
Bilawal Bhatti
Wahab Riaz

best attack ever

They got you your 1st series win in SA. They are immortals.

 

[Ahson8]

We were still decent around 2011. 2012-2016 we were downright terrible

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Hmm. Interesting comparison. India in that period were very poor and were only better than NZ and England and probably on par with Lanka though Lanka did win a world cup during that time. Yes we won a couple of Tri series here and there but I also remember us getting hammered a lot particularly by Pakistan . Of the top 8 teams I'd put us at joint 5th along with SL. Pakistan of the last decade were only better than West Indies in my opinion and that too thanks to ajmal and hafeez forming a crucial part of the spin trio. I think during Woolmers last year itself, Pakistan's ODI decline had started and only recently has the team looked very competitive.