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People comparing current scenario with WC 1992 or CT 2017 need to realize we are not unpredictable anymore.We used to have those flashes of brilliance but I dont see that happening in future.We are losing matches on the trot and its getting all too familiar.Our bowling and fielding is in disarray and we cant decide our best batting order.We rest Haris for full ODI series only to play him in tournament opener.Lots of mistakes being made.
Days of Pakistan being unperdictable,cornered tigers blah blah are long gone.We are downright pathetic:jk
 
Pakistan were never unpredictable. It just had ups and downs like most average teams, although it has had too many downs lately.

All that unpredictable and cornered tigers rubbish is just propaganda.
 
What are you saying? PAK are the most unpredictable team ever! They batted first on the fastest scoring pitch in the world wicket, got bowled out for 105 and lost the match in a combined 35 overs. Not a single soul could have predicted this! :hasan2
 
What are you saying? PAK are the most unpredictable team ever! They batted first on the fastest scoring pitch in the world wicket, got bowled out for 105 and lost the match in a combined 35 overs. Not a single soul could have predicted this! :hasan2

Exactly. Imagine people clearing schedule to catch a glimpse of the game only to come home and find out that the game is already over.

Well played Saifi Bhai well played.
 
Exactly. Sick of these cliches. We an average team. We need to accept this instead of making excuses and call the team out for not being good enough. Instead of making threads about the bouncer rule.
 
Pakistan were never unpredictable. It just had ups and downs like most average teams, although it has had too many downs lately.

All that unpredictable and cornered tigers rubbish is just propaganda.

Pakistan was given the unpredictable tag by other nations, it's not something we gave ourselves. In the past they were capable of terrible performances, but also capable of beating the best. Now they are just a poor team living off past reputation.
 
Pakistan was given the unpredictable tag by other nations, it's not something we gave ourselves. In the past they were capable of terrible performances, but also capable of beating the best. Now they are just a poor team living off past reputation.

Pakistan was given the unpredictable tag, but we glorified it ourselves and started to take pride in it. There is nothing great about being unpredictable - it is just a nicer way of saying that you are inconsistent. Over the years, our players and our fans have start to take pride in the unpredictable tag as if it is something to be proud of.

We desperately need to get out of this unpredictability and cornered tigers rubbish mentality, attempting to recreate the past, going to Imran Khan before every World Cup and re-listening to the cornered tigers speech etc. You don't see the Australian team getting pep talks and motivational speeches from S. Waugh or Ponting, or India seeking inspiration from Kapil or West Indies going to Clive Lloyd.

Pakistan is high on romanticism and low on professionalism, and that is why were being left behind at a rapid rate.
 
Pakistan was given the unpredictable tag, but we glorified it ourselves and started to take pride in it. There is nothing great about being unpredictable - it is just a nicer way of saying that you are inconsistent. Over the years, our players and our fans have start to take pride in the unpredictable tag as if it is something to be proud of.

We desperately need to get out of this unpredictability and cornered tigers rubbish mentality, attempting to recreate the past, going to Imran Khan before every World Cup and re-listening to the cornered tigers speech etc. You don't see the Australian team getting pep talks and motivational speeches from S. Waugh or Ponting, or India seeking inspiration from Kapil or West Indies going to Clive Lloyd.

Pakistan is high on romanticism and low on professionalism, and that is why were being left behind at a rapid rate.
Brutal but true!
 
The fact of the matter is, cricket, like all other institutions of the country, is crumbling.
 
Pakistan was given the unpredictable tag, but we glorified it ourselves and started to take pride in it. There is nothing great about being unpredictable - it is just a nicer way of saying that you are inconsistent. Over the years, our players and our fans have start to take pride in the unpredictable tag as if it is something to be proud of.

We desperately need to get out of this unpredictability and cornered tigers rubbish mentality, attempting to recreate the past, going to Imran Khan before every World Cup and re-listening to the cornered tigers speech etc. You don't see the Australian team getting pep talks and motivational speeches from S. Waugh or Ponting, or India seeking inspiration from Kapil or West Indies going to Clive Lloyd.

Pakistan is high on romanticism and low on professionalism, and that is why were being left behind at a rapid rate.

Yet you have England, Pakistan, and WI (3rd team) to win the WC.
 
In the age of professionalism when most teams are striving for perfection, Pakistani fans were content with the unpredictability tag. Series after series, we heard that Pakistan will do well in the world cup because they are an unpredictable team and raise their game when the stakes are high. This makes it a well deserved humiliation.

Raw talent is one example. No professional team relies on just talent anymore. India did not select Pant over Dhoni. In Pakistan, people already started calling Shaheen the leader of the attack. Every new player is hyped to the moon after a couple good performance to be exposed shortly by better teams.

A professionally run organization will ensure positive consistency. One tournament win is not more important than consistently being in the top 3 ODI teams. A tournament can be fluked but a consistent run in the top ODI rankings depicts the real quality of the team.
 
This unpredictability tag is questionnable. The CT 2017 triumph was absolutely outstanding. So was 1992 WC triumph. Dont forget 83 WC and to a lesser extent 96 WC
 

There is a massive difference between supporting a team and expecting them to win. I do support Pakistan and Holder's West Indies, but I also know that they have no realistic chance of winning the World Cup.

It is my misfortune that I am a Pakistani which is why I am bound to support the Pakistan team. If I wasn't a Pakistani, this current side would be the last time that I would care about. There is nothing likeable about it. I haven't cared much about the West Indies in the past, but I really admire Holder's team.

In terms of who I expect to win the World Cup, I think England and India are the two heavy favourites and I will be surprised if some other team goes all the way.
 
Pakistan was given the unpredictable tag, but we glorified it ourselves and started to take pride in it. There is nothing great about being unpredictable - it is just a nicer way of saying that you are inconsistent. Over the years, our players and our fans have start to take pride in the unpredictable tag as if it is something to be proud of.

We desperately need to get out of this unpredictability and cornered tigers rubbish mentality, attempting to recreate the past, going to Imran Khan before every World Cup and re-listening to the cornered tigers speech etc. You don't see the Australian team getting pep talks and motivational speeches from S. Waugh or Ponting, or India seeking inspiration from Kapil or West Indies going to Clive Lloyd.

Pakistan is high on romanticism and low on professionalism, and that is why were being left behind at a rapid rate.

Good points! Completely agree with the last line. I see a lot of threads here about changing personnel as if such minor changes are going to suddenly change the team's strength. Creating good batting culture, fielding attitude takes time and the support has to come from PCB and the local cricket bodies. For that, these organizations need to become professional.
 
Pakistan fans: It's time to lower your expectations

West Indies chased the score within 15 overs in Pakistan's first world cup match of 2019. This humiliation was always on the cards considering how poorly the team has been performing since the Champions Trophy.

Yet, some fans truly believed that the team was going to do well in the World Cup.

The signs were there to see but most came up with excuses to justify Pakistan's poor performance in every instance. For example, team was not prepared in NZ, pitches were slow in the Asia cup and world cup will not be played in England, we did not play our first choice team against Australia, England series was just for World cup practice, etc. This even led to fans showing no remorse over Pakistan losing to a minnow in a warm-up match. The team which could not beat Afghanistan was supposed to become a world beater magically once the tournament started.

I think it is high time to lower your expectations. This team is not a contender to lift the trophy. Neither will it make the semis. The expectation should be to just win against weaker teams like Sri Lanka and Afghanistan and may be hope for an upset against a better team as all teams tend to have bad day. That's what fans from Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Ireland, Nepal, etc. must expect from their team so should Pakistani fans from theirs.

The lower the expectations, the less the misery that comes with each loss.
 
Pakistan were never unpredictable. It just had ups and downs like most average teams, although it has had too many downs lately.

All that unpredictable and cornered tigers rubbish is just propaganda.

This is not the reason why Pakistan is bestowed the unpredictable tag.

Pakistan can lose games from winning positions, and win games from losing positions - this is where the unpredictable tag comes from, and this is why other teams believe Pakistan is a dangerous/unpredictable side, not because they can lose/win games like other teams, but they can win/lose like no other team. The only team that can make jokers look like Kings, and kings look like jokers.

Not even you, Indians, or Pakistan's worse enemies, thought Pakistan would be all out for 105 today. Pakistan continues to surprise!

While Pakistan feel dejected after today's performance, West Indies go into the next match thinking they have one hand on the WC. This is the effect of Pakistan cricket.
 
Pakistan was given the unpredictable tag, but we glorified it ourselves and started to take pride in it. There is nothing great about being unpredictable - it is just a nicer way of saying that you are inconsistent. Over the years, our players and our fans have start to take pride in the unpredictable tag as if it is something to be proud of.

We desperately need to get out of this unpredictability and cornered tigers rubbish mentality, attempting to recreate the past, going to Imran Khan before every World Cup and re-listening to the cornered tigers speech etc. You don't see the Australian team getting pep talks and motivational speeches from S. Waugh or Ponting, or India seeking inspiration from Kapil or West Indies going to Clive Lloyd.

Pakistan is high on romanticism and low on professionalism, and that is why were being left behind at a rapid rate.


Don’t be so melodramatic
It’s in our jeans
I think we all must be Gemini’s
But yes it’s got worse since afridi was captain in 2011
 
This is not the reason why Pakistan is bestowed the unpredictable tag.

Pakistan can lose games from winning positions, and win games from losing positions - this is where the unpredictable tag comes from, and this is why other teams believe Pakistan is a dangerous/unpredictable side, not because they can lose/win games like other teams, but they can win/lose like no other team. The only team that can make jokers look like Kings, and kings look like jokers.

Not even you, Indians, or Pakistan's worse enemies, thought Pakistan would be all out for 105 today. Pakistan continues to surprise!

While Pakistan feel dejected after today's performance, West Indies go into the next match thinking they have one hand on the WC. This is the effect of Pakistan cricket.

Every team has won games from bad positions. Pakistan aren't the only team to do so.

How on earth can we be considered dangerous if we haven't won a single game in our past 11 ODIS? And to be completely honest, I guarantee you teams would much rather play Pakistan than say India, Australia or England. What about that is dangerous?

Unpredictable would make sense if we were winning games, but lately we have just been taking losses. And honestly a lot of wins can just be attributed to the randomness that stands in the game of cricket, where margins can be so tight at times.

And obviously no one thought Pakistan would be out for 105, but I ask you if its surprising? If the answer is no, then I've proven my point.
 
We aren’t unpredictable anymore. We are an average team who gets beaten by better teams and can only beat them when they have an off day. We need to lower our expectations . Instead of predicting wining the World Cup, we should aim to get to the semis. The talk of us winning the World Cup because we did it in 92 is stupid.
 
Yeah been on the losing ODI streak for the last year. We cant turn it around cuz it's the World Cup.

It's going to get worse but I do hope they prove me wrong but that will be naive.
 
Mickey didn't like losing but it seems like this team is used to losing games.

We have become a joke. Just do not know what to do against better players.
 
Tbh they are bigger chokers than South Africa. Have zero control when the panic sets in.
 
It is a nightmare for the future when you achieve something that you don't deserve. That CT fluke was the worst thing happened to Pak cricket since the fixing trio. Mideocre hacks became superstars overnight, delusion took over sanity and glaring flaws were masked by self-imposed denial.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">David 'Bumble' Lloyd "Over the years, Pakistan have always had that unpredictability, but unfortunately what I have seen recently from them is predictability" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1134713887885058048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 1, 2019</a></blockquote>
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It is a nightmare for the future when you achieve something that you don't deserve. That CT fluke was the worst thing happened to Pak cricket since the fixing trio. Mideocre hacks became superstars overnight, delusion took over sanity and glaring flaws were masked by self-imposed denial.

Says who?

I do understand the need to showdown Pakistan but try and keep an even keel or you will appear like nothing more than an average opposing fan of Pakistan cricket.
 
Tbh they are bigger chokers than South Africa. Have zero control when the panic sets in.

they're not chokers. they're just incompetent. If you can't realize what your strengths are as a team in 3 damn years then good luck!
 
Unpredictable isn’t anything to be proud of. No other team would like to have this tag. But Pakistan loves it, I fail to understand why being unpredictable is seen as something positive.
 
Says who?

I do understand the need to showdown Pakistan but try and keep an even keel or you will appear like nothing more than an average opposing fan of Pakistan cricket.

Still in denial I see. Good.

A champion team doesn't perform like minnows for two years straight. The rot started right after winning the CT. I might be a bitter individual but surely facts don't lie.

Sorry if I am being rude, I try to be upfront but I am not arrogant. It is actually my inability to sugarcoat my opinions due to poor command in the English language.
 
Still in denial I see. Good.

A champion team doesn't perform like minnows for two years straight. The rot started right after winning the CT. I might be a bitter individual but surely facts don't lie.

Sorry if I am being rude, I try to be upfront but I am not arrogant. It is actually my inability to sugarcoat my opinions due to poor command in the English language.

What is denial is to not accept that Pakistan won the Champions Trophy because at that time they played like Champions.

Also, your English is fine and you meant everything you said.

Yes, Pakistan's rot set in after CT but you dont win tournaments by fluke. Understand that Pakistan played well to win CT and also beat Indian convincingly in the final - all of those are recorded facts.

The rest of the stuff as has been discussed many times and is being discussed in other threads so isnt earth-shattering news.
 
they're not chokers. they're just incompetent. If you can't realize what your strengths are as a team in 3 damn years then good luck!

They’ve been choking on the big stage since 1999.
 
Still in denial I see. Good.

A champion team doesn't perform like minnows for two years straight. The rot started right after winning the CT. I might be a bitter individual but surely facts don't lie.

Sorry if I am being rude, I try to be upfront but I am not arrogant. It is actually my inability to sugarcoat my opinions due to poor command in the English language.

Pakistan has been playing like minnows from a decade, but credit should be given to the way they played in CT. On that day they played better cricket than India and they were deserving champions! You can't call other's success as a fluke if your own team committed errors and played horrible cricket like duds and couldn't keep up with pressure. This is coming from an Indian!
 
What is denial is to not accept that Pakistan won the Champions Trophy because at that time they played like Champions.

Also, your English is fine and you meant everything you said.

Yes, Pakistan's rot set in after CT but you dont win tournaments by fluke. Understand that Pakistan played well to win CT and also beat Indian convincingly in the final - all of those are recorded facts.

The rest of the stuff as has been discussed many times and is being discussed in other threads so isnt earth-shattering news.
You got me wrong, I never meant to belittle the CT performance, it was indeed an amazing run albeit my team was on the receiving end.

What I meant was, such patches of brilliance do not compensate for years long mediocrity. What do you think the chances of Pak pulling such feats again? Extremely unlikely right? Teams like India or England would beat Pak 8 out of 10 in general. I called it a fluke because it was an abnormal stint, a fairly tale like flukish run, not likely to be replicated ever again. Flukes don't last long, soon as the CT ended Pak was back to usual mediocrity and the normalcy was restored. So overall textbook fluke to me.
 
What is denial is to not accept that Pakistan won the Champions Trophy because at that time they played like Champions.

Also, your English is fine and you meant everything you said.

Yes, Pakistan's rot set in after CT but you dont win tournaments by fluke. Understand that Pakistan played well to win CT and also beat Indian convincingly in the final - all of those are recorded facts.

The rest of the stuff as has been discussed many times and is being discussed in other threads so isnt earth-shattering news.

Pak was the better team in the final, fluke is not winning by sitting back and doing nothing, fluke is having every single thing going your way for a given day or a short period of time. Azhar playing like Sehwag, Hafeez going ninja from ball one, Amir producing Wasimesque spell and all these happening in the same match are just too flukish to be normal.
 
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Pakistan has been playing like minnows from a decade, but credit should be given to the way they played in CT. On that day they played better cricket than India and they were deserving champions! You can't call other's success as a fluke if your own team committed errors and played horrible cricket like duds and couldn't keep up with pressure. This is coming from an Indian!
Read my last reply to MenInG. I am entitled to have an opinion, feel free to disagree.
 
It's hard to imagine that after winning CT, how one can get reduced to this mediocrity. Maybe the players are getting old and hence losing their touch? If so, then it can be easily resolved by opting for young and energetic players. Pakistan fans shouldn't expect too much in this WC.
 
Most unpredictable team in history by far. They seem to relish that tag though. "Yaad hai woh waqt"
 
Pak was the better team in the final, fluke is not winning by sitting back and doing nothing, fluke is having every single thing going your way for a given day or a short period of time. Azhar playing like Sehwag, Hafeez going ninja from ball one, Amir producing Wasimesque spell and all these happening in the same match are just too flukish to be normal.

Azhar's numbers in that game weren't different to his career stats, so not sure what Sehwag performance you're on about. Infact he was garbage until Fakahr accelerated. As for Amir, he had rattled India a year earlier in the Asia Cup, so this performance was simply a repeat of it. He also shone in the final before as well so it was the norm again.
 
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Azhar's numbers in that game weren't different to his career stats, so not sure what Sehwag performance you're on about. Infact he was garbage until Fakahr accelerated. As for Amir, he had rattled India a year earlier in the Asia Cup, so this performance was simply a repeat of it. He also shone in the final before as well so it was the norm again.
Azhar started the assault while Fakhar was clearly struggling at the beginning. You should at least get your facts straight before replying. About Amir, any performance that happens once in a year is a fluke, period.
 
This is not the reason why Pakistan is bestowed the unpredictable tag.

Pakistan can lose games from winning positions, and win games from losing positions - this is where the unpredictable tag comes from, and this is why other teams believe Pakistan is a dangerous/unpredictable side, not because they can lose/win games like other teams, but they can win/lose like no other team. The only team that can make jokers look like Kings, and kings look like jokers.

Not even you, Indians, or Pakistan's worse enemies, thought Pakistan would be all out for 105 today. Pakistan continues to surprise!

While Pakistan feel dejected after today's performance, West Indies go into the next match thinking they have one hand on the WC. This is the effect of Pakistan cricket.

Pakistan is not the only team that has lost games from winning positions and won games from losing positions. It is also not the only team that has beaten better teams and lost to worse teams. That is how a mediocre, mid-table team tends to operate - In the last 15-16 years, for the most part, Pakistan has been ranked around 5th or 6th in Tests and ODIs. In order to maintain this mid-table ranking, you have to beat the top ranked sides and lose to the bottom ranked sides on occasion.

Statements like "Pakistan is a dangerous/unpredictable side, not because they can lose/win games like other teams, but they can win/lose like no other team. The only team that can make jokers look like Kings, and kings look like jokers" is exactly the type of romanticism and glorification that we as a nation need to collectively overcome.

We need to stop taking pride in lazy cliches. There is nothing great in being unpredictable and there is nothing great in being a cornered tiger. We need to stop calling it the beauty of Pakistan cricket because their is nothing beautiful about being mediocre.

This mentality has infected not only the fans but the players as well. It was harrowing to see our captain claim on the eve of the World Cup that "it is good that we are unpredictable".

No, it is never good to be unpredictable. If you are not predictable in terms of winning games more often than not, you have problems, and you need to address those problems instead of taking pride in them.

Spending most of your time ranked 5th or 6th and beating the top teams on rare occasions does not make you dangerous. It means that you are an average team who can perform like a great team every now and then. What is so dangerous and unpredictable about our so-called cornered tigers?

- We have lost every single Test in Australia since 1995. Even Law of Averages has failed to lend a helping hand.

- We have not won a Test series in England since 1996.

- We have not made a World Cup Final since 1999.

- We have lost to India in every World Cup.

- We have lost over 80% of our bilateral ODI series against the top teams since 2006.

- We have only won 2 Asia Cups compared to India (7) and Sri Lanka (5).

Where is the unpredictability? We have been predictability poor, and have punched above our weight on a few rare occasions which is true for other mediocre sides like Sri Lanka and West Indies as well.

Since 2000, Sri Lanka have usually contested for the 5th and 6th rankings alongside Pakistan, but yet, they have won a Test series in South Africa and England, they have made two World Cup finals and have as many ICC trophies as we have.

They have also beaten a superior Indian side on a few occasions in the Asia Cup. However, you don't see Sri Lankan fans calling themselves unpredictable or dangerous because they don't glorify mediocrity.

Same is the case with West Indies as well. They have been at their lowest ebb in this millennium, but they have still won more ICC trophies than any team since 2000 except Australia and India (who have 3 as well). Again, you won't see Caribbean fans hiding behind cliches and romanticising inconsistency.

Even England, who were a mediocre Limited Overs team pre 2015, won a WT20 in 2010 in quite bizarre circumstances. They started their tournament with a D/L defeat against the West Indies, and they were struggling against Ireland before the game was called-off due to rain. After qualifying for the next round with just 1 point, they never looked back and won every game to win the title.

If Pakistan were to win a tournament in the same fashion, it will become another cornered tigers story and an example of how unpredictable and dangerous we are bla bla bla.

Our mentality is rotten to the core. This includes not the only fans but also the players, ex-players, media analysts etc. We thrive in mediocrity and inconsistency, which we repackage with a sprinkle of romanticism as unpredictability and cornered tigers mentality.

We need a complete revamp of our mindset and strive for consistency and high-achievements instead of settling for cheap thrills of so-called roller-coaster rides and surprising fans because you never know which Pakistan will turn up etc. etc.

Words like unpredictability and cornered tigers need to be banned from Pakistan cricket at every level.
 
There is a massive difference between supporting a team and expecting them to win. I do support Pakistan and Holder's West Indies, but I also know that they have no realistic chance of winning the World Cup.

It is my misfortune that I am a Pakistani which is why I am bound to support the Pakistan team. If I wasn't a Pakistani, this current side would be the last time that I would care about. There is nothing likeable about it. I haven't cared much about the West Indies in the past, but I really admire Holder's team.

In terms of who I expect to win the World Cup, I think England and India are the two heavy favourites and I will be surprised if some other team goes all the way.

What's your take on below teams and how far can they go:-

Australia
South Africa
New Zealand
 
Very well explained by [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

Pakistani fans/players feel good with unpredictablity but in reality this show a mediocre team.

For example we won against England on Monday and than loss to Afg in the tournament like practice match

Greatness of win against Eng = Mediocrity of losing to Afg
i-e 1 = -1 , 1+(-1)= 0

Result of unpredictablity is 0 it's mean we are a mid table team with minnows mentality
 
Azhar started the assault while Fakhar was clearly struggling at the beginning. You should at least get your facts straight before replying. About Amir, any performance that happens once in a year is a fluke, period.

if something is a fluke, it shouldn't be credited. What type of dumb thinking is that??
How are you gonna undermine a tournie victory by saying it was a "fluke"???
 
What's your take on below teams and how far can they go:-

Australia
South Africa
New Zealand

I don’t see either of them going all the way, Australia and New Zealand should make the semis. South Africa though looks to be heading for an early exit.
 
Pakistan is not the only team that has lost games from winning positions and won games from losing positions. It is also not the only team that has beaten better teams and lost to worse teams. That is how a mediocre, mid-table team tends to operate - In the last 15-16 years, for the most part, Pakistan has been ranked around 5th or 6th in Tests and ODIs. In order to maintain this mid-table ranking, you have to beat the top ranked sides and lose to the bottom ranked sides on occasion.

Statements like "Pakistan is a dangerous/unpredictable side, not because they can lose/win games like other teams, but they can win/lose like no other team. The only team that can make jokers look like Kings, and kings look like jokers" is exactly the type of romanticism and glorification that we as a nation need to collectively overcome.

We need to stop taking pride in lazy cliches. There is nothing great in being unpredictable and there is nothing great in being a cornered tiger. We need to stop calling it the beauty of Pakistan cricket because their is nothing beautiful about being mediocre.

This mentality has infected not only the fans but the players as well. It was harrowing to see our captain claim on the eve of the World Cup that "it is good that we are unpredictable".

No, it is never good to be unpredictable. If you are not predictable in terms of winning games more often than not, you have problems, and you need to address those problems instead of taking pride in them.

Spending most of your time ranked 5th or 6th and beating the top teams on rare occasions does not make you dangerous. It means that you are an average team who can perform like a great team every now and then. What is so dangerous and unpredictable about our so-called cornered tigers?

- We have lost every single Test in Australia since 1995. Even Law of Averages has failed to lend a helping hand.

- We have not won a Test series in England since 1996.

- We have not made a World Cup Final since 1999.

- We have lost to India in every World Cup.

- We have lost over 80% of our bilateral ODI series against the top teams since 2006.

- We have only won 2 Asia Cups compared to India (7) and Sri Lanka (5).

Where is the unpredictability? We have been predictability poor, and have punched above our weight on a few rare occasions which is true for other mediocre sides like Sri Lanka and West Indies as well.

Since 2000, Sri Lanka have usually contested for the 5th and 6th rankings alongside Pakistan, but yet, they have won a Test series in South Africa and England, they have made two World Cup finals and have as many ICC trophies as we have.

They have also beaten a superior Indian side on a few occasions in the Asia Cup. However, you don't see Sri Lankan fans calling themselves unpredictable or dangerous because they don't glorify mediocrity.

Same is the case with West Indies as well. They have been at their lowest ebb in this millennium, but they have still won more ICC trophies than any team since 2000 except Australia and India (who have 3 as well). Again, you won't see Caribbean fans hiding behind cliches and romanticising inconsistency.

Even England, who were a mediocre Limited Overs team pre 2015, won a WT20 in 2010 in quite bizarre circumstances. They started their tournament with a D/L defeat against the West Indies, and they were struggling against Ireland before the game was called-off due to rain. After qualifying for the next round with just 1 point, they never looked back and won every game to win the title.

If Pakistan were to win a tournament in the same fashion, it will become another cornered tigers story and an example of how unpredictable and dangerous we are bla bla bla.

Our mentality is rotten to the core. This includes not the only fans but also the players, ex-players, media analysts etc. We thrive in mediocrity and inconsistency, which we repackage with a sprinkle of romanticism as unpredictability and cornered tigers mentality.

We need a complete revamp of our mindset and strive for consistency and high-achievements instead of settling for cheap thrills of so-called roller-coaster rides and surprising fans because you never know which Pakistan will turn up etc. etc.

Words like unpredictability and cornered tigers need to be banned from Pakistan cricket at every level.

Oh my.

Firstly, any Pakistan victory is dubbed a fluke by the likes of you, this is proof that Pakistan are indeed unpredictable, at least in your mind, or you wouldn't spout fluke at Pakistani victories. Secondly, I noticed how you take one subject and try to rinse it with a web of words, this time West Indies. Your 3rd favourite team in the world cup after they convincingly beat Pakistan, perhaps.

Now since you have established a time frame post 2000 to demean Pakistan, and name dropped West Indies ICC tournament achievements for extra, but botched effect, I love how you mention England despite their 2015 win was almost identical to that of Pakistan’s journey to CT17 victory, struggle first, then win later, but no, England are worthy of praise but Pakistan is worthy of the fluke tag despite Pakistan winning more ICC tournaments than England post 2000!

Speaking of post 2000 tournament wins, Pakistan won the WT20 in 2009, and the CT in 2017. All flukes right? Asia Cup win also gets an honourable mention though not an ICC event, but what difference does it make, it’s all a fluke to you.

Your list of nonachievements is just pigeon holing; selective statistics specifically designed to befoul Pakistan’s performance but you dare not mention Pakistan's achievements. So what if Pakistan has lost to India in every world cup? So what if Pakistan has not won a Test series in Australia? I bet you would not have mentioned this if India had not won recently Australia. Alas, Pakistan whitewashed England 3-0 in Tests, to put into context, whitewashed the number#1 Test team at the time, after Pakistan lost Amir & Asif, and later achieved rank #1 in Tests, and for bonus points, have a better W/L Test ratio post 2000 compared with West Indies (your subject of the month). All fluke performances right? Did I mention Pakistan beat India, in India, in an ODI 2012 series, AND Pakistan has edged India in the head to head record post 2000? All flukes according to you.

Pakistan has always had a mindset problem, not a talent problem, proven by the topsy turvy record post 2000. If Pakistan had a near 2 decade losing streak, in every format, in every tournament, in every series, and achieved just the one CT17 in between, then you can claim Pakistan is predictable with a sprinkle of fluke, but the poise between defeats, and remarkable victories, proves Pakistan is unpredictable as they come.

With comments like - It is my misfortune that I am a Pakistani which is why I am bound to support the Pakistan team - It is your rotton and disturbed mindset that needs addressing. You clearly have an issue with Pakistan, and everything Pakistan, and no matter what Pakistan achieves, you will never be satisfied because deep down your hate towards Pakistan will never heal which is the reason why you will always find an excuse to belittle every performance Pakistan, win or lose.

Don’t worry, you can support India, your 4th team in the World Cup after 5th June, but it’s you who needs to grow up, not the Pakistan team.
 
Were the same statement not being made 2 year ago? Pls reserve you judgements till the end.

If there is life, there is hope! As a Muslim the single most important discipline in life is never lose hope! Those without hope are walking talking dead bodies.
 
The solution to the unpredictability and inconsistency lies in reforming domestic cricket and professionalizing the game from the grassroots to the top
 
if something is a fluke, it shouldn't be credited. What type of dumb thinking is that??
How are you gonna undermine a tournie victory by saying it was a "fluke"???

where did I say it shouldn't be credited?

That trophy meant a lot to the Pak fans and the nation itself, I can't possibly undermine that even if I want to.
 
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The people who are most hurt and upset are those who had high expectations. The teams recent performances did not justify it. Lightening does not strike twice. The true measure of your quality and consistency are your rankings and unfortunately Pakistan is ranked low for a reason
 
Same is the case with West Indies as well. They have been at their lowest ebb in this millennium, but they have still won more ICC trophies than any team since 2000 except Australia and India (who have 3 as well). Again, you won't see Caribbean fans hiding behind cliches and romanticising inconsistency.

Readers should note, Australia, West Indies, India, AND Pakistan share a remarkable achievement.

All 4 teams have achieved the ICC treble POST 2000 - World Cup, Champion's trophy, and World T20 title.

But no, Pakistan fluked it because Pakistan is predictable.

:facepalm:
 
Readers should note, Australia, West Indies, India, AND Pakistan share a remarkable achievement.

All 4 teams have achieved the ICC treble POST 2000 - World Cup, Champion's trophy, and World T20 title.

But no, Pakistan fluked it because Pakistan is predictable.

:facepalm:

Not post 2000, overall. Pakistan 92 WC, WI 75 & 79. Also, Australia never won the WT20
 
The unpredictable is just another way to hype the side up like they can be elite team when the truth is we are below average

Yes we win some games when we shouldn't but that's cricket
 
People comparing current scenario with WC 1992 or CT 2017 need to realize we are not unpredictable anymore.We used to have those flashes of brilliance but I dont see that happening in future.We are losing matches on the trot and its getting all too familiar.Our bowling and fielding is in disarray and we cant decide our best batting order.We rest Haris for full ODI series only to play him in tournament opener.Lots of mistakes being made.
Days of Pakistan being unperdictable,cornered tigers blah blah are long gone.We are downright pathetic:jk

IF we beat england, will you take back these words and once again give us back our title of be mercurial and unpredictable?
 
Not post 2000, overall. Pakistan 92 WC, WI 75 & 79. Also, Australia never won the WT20

I mean the treble was complete post 2000 with respective CT and WT20 wins.

Stand corrected on Australia, for some reason I thought they had!

So that means 3 teams have the ICC Treble - West Indies, India, and Pakistan.
 
Oh my.

Firstly, any Pakistan victory is dubbed a fluke by the likes of you, this is proof that Pakistan are indeed unpredictable, at least in your mind, or you wouldn't spout fluke at Pakistani victories. Secondly, I noticed how you take one subject and try to rinse it with a web of words, this time West Indies. Your 3rd favourite team in the world cup after they convincingly beat Pakistan, perhaps.

Not every Pakistan win is a fluke. For example, the WT20 2009 was no fluke by any means. We were an elite T20 team from 2007 to 2010. Similarly, getting to the top of the rankings (although we went to #1 thanks to a washout between India and West Indies) in 2016 was not a fluke - we hardly played any cricket outside Asia between 2013-2016, and that Misbah's side was very good in UAE/Asia. Again, it wasn't flukey - circumstantial yes, but not flukey.

As usual, you are taking the debate into a different direction because you have convincingly failed to justify why Pakistan deserve the unpredictable and cornered tigers rubbish cliches and why it is something to be proud of.

Now since you have established a time frame post 2000 to demean Pakistan, and name dropped West Indies ICC tournament achievements for extra, but botched effect, I love how you mention England despite their 2015 win was almost identical to that of PakistanÂ’s journey to CT17 victory, struggle first, then win later, but no, England are worthy of praise but Pakistan is worthy of the fluke tag despite Pakistan winning more ICC tournaments than England post 2000!

You mean WT20 2010 right?

You are simply proving my point - England's journey in WT20 2010 was every bit the cliched cornered tigers and unpredictable performance, but you don't see English fans using such terms. It is only our rotten mentality.

Speaking of post 2000 tournament wins, Pakistan won the WT20 in 2009, and the CT in 2017. All flukes right? Asia Cup win also gets an honourable mention though not an ICC event, but what difference does it make, itÂ’s all a fluke to you.

As I said already, WT20 2009 wasn't, but Champions Trophy 2017 is right up there with the 1983 World Cup (see, Pakistan isn't the only team that can fluke a tournament win) and the 2004 Champions Trophy as the biggest fluke in history of ODI cricket.

Your list of nonachievements is just pigeon holing; selective statistics specifically designed to befoul PakistanÂ’s performance but you dare not mention Pakistan's achievements.

It is not pigeon-holing or selective statistics, but hard, cold, convenient facts that dispel the myth that Pakistan is an unpredictable team and some cornered tiger that can win from any situation like no other team. These results show that Pakistan are predictably pathetic.

So what if Pakistan has lost to India in every world cup? So what if Pakistan has not won a Test series in Australia? I bet you would not have mentioned this if India had not won recently Australia.

"So what"? is this your argument? You can get away from anything by playing the "so what" card. So what if we never win a single game of cricket again, no big deal. It is just a sport. And no, it is not about winning a Test series in Australia - it is about the uniquely humiliating achievement of losing every single Test in Australia since 1995.

No major team is as bad in any country as Pakistan is in Australia, and our performances have been entirely predictable and we have been cornered kittens who have not been able to get out of the corner.

Alas, Pakistan whitewashed England 3-0 in Tests, to put into context, whitewashed the number#1 Test team at the time, after Pakistan lost Amir & Asif, and later achieved rank #1 in Tests, and for bonus points, have a better W/L Test ratio post 2000 compared with West Indies (your subject of the month).

Pakistan whitewashing England in 2012 was not a fluke. Our spin attack was brilliant and Misbah knew how to win in the UAE, and that is why we went to the number one ranking in Tests in 2016 because we were a very solid team in Asia and especially in the UAE. No flukes there.
All fluke performances right? Did I mention Pakistan beat India, in India, in an ODI 2012 series, AND Pakistan has edged India in the head to head record post 2000? All flukes according to you.

You are not going to change the context of the debate by overusing the word fluke, and I have previously explained the H2H record before, and I will copy paste my post here for your convenience. Actually, India have fared better than Pakistan in H2H since 2000, but it is still close. Here is my post which explains the H2H record:

"The H2H doesn’t really tell the full story though.

Firstly, Pakistan’s worst era did not start from 2004 - our ODI team up till 2006 was pretty competitive. In fact, we were ranked number two in ODIs in 2006.

Indian cricket was certainly on the rise at that point, but they hadn’t really leapfrogged Pakistan until the likes of Inzamam, MoYo, Razzaq, Akhtar, Malik (pre 2008 version) etc. retired/declined.

The 2012-2013 season was the perfect time to tour India - their stalwarts were in decline, and the young players had not fully come into their own at that point. England beat them in Tests, and we beat them in ODIs. They got rid of the deadwood after that series and became a top side again.

Since 2013, there have obviously been no bilateral series. So during Pakistan’s worst era”, i.e. the 2010 era, the only time we faced them in a bilateral series was when India were in transition.

Hence, the qualification that India at their best have not been able to make inroads against Pakistan at their worst doesn’t hold true.

If Pakistan and India would have played regular bilateral cricket over the last decade or so, there is no doubt that India would have closed the gap in H2H record somewhat.

From 2007 onwards, apart from maybe 2012, they have been consistently the better team over the last 10 years or so, and we have only played two bilateral series in this period.

Yes we beat a Dhoni-less India in the 2014 Asia Cup, but one-off wins can happen - however, I highly doubt that we would have been beaten them in a series in that time period. Quite a few would probably have been one sided affairs as well."


I posted the above in April 2018, few months before the Asia Cup humiliation where the fearless and talented new age PSL superstars got pounded by a Kohli-less India.

Pakistan has always had a mindset problem, not a talent problem, proven by the topsy turvy record post 2000. If Pakistan had a near 2 decade losing streak, in every format, in every tournament, in every series, and achieved just the one CT17 in between, then you can claim Pakistan is predictable with a sprinkle of fluke, but the poise between defeats, and remarkable victories, proves Pakistan is unpredictable as they come.

Firstly, we need to overcome the talent delusion. There is a talent crisis in Pakistan and we cannot deny it forever. Besides, talent is a function of your system - a country that diverts its resources to one particular sport, it will eventually produce talent for that sport. Pakistan is a cricket mad nation with a cricket heritage of over 70 years. We are obviously going to produce a few talented players every now and then, but the frequency has dropped alarmingly in this millennium.

Secondly, as I have shown using the example of Sri Lanka and West Indies, their claim on being unpredictable and other rubbish cliches is as strong if not stronger than Pakistan's, but the difference is that their fans and their players do not celebrate unpredictability (mediocrity) and do not think it is something "cool". It is only our wretched mentality because we don't have the intelligence and the perception to understand that there is nothing great about being unpredictable.

Pakistan have been very mediocre in this millennium but have had a few highs which is what you can expect from a team that is not close to being elite but it not a genuine minnow yet, although we are heading that way in full speed.
With comments like - It is my misfortune that I am a Pakistani which is why I am bound to support the Pakistan team - It is your rotton and disturbed mindset that needs addressing. You clearly have an issue with Pakistan, and everything Pakistan, and no matter what Pakistan achieves, you will never be satisfied because deep down your hate towards Pakistan will never heal which is the reason why you will always find an excuse to belittle every performance Pakistan, win or lose.

It is not hatred, it is making peace with reality. There is nothing good about this country and there is nothing good about this current team. I do consider useful misfortune because you only get to live once, and somehow I managed to be born in this country. However, I cannot change who I am and where I belong to, so I am bound to serve my country as well as follow my team because of my passion for cricket.

Don’t worry, you can support India, your 4th team in the World Cup after 5th June, but it's you who needs to grow up, not the Pakistan team.

I greatly admire the Indian team but I am indifferent towards them. Since Pakistan is garbage, I hope England go all the way and I would love to see West Indies qualify for the semifinals or even the final. Holder is an inspirational captain and he deserves it.
 
Readers should note, Australia, West Indies, India, AND Pakistan share a remarkable achievement.

All 4 teams have achieved the ICC treble POST 2000 - World Cup, Champion's trophy, and World T20 title.

But no, Pakistan fluked it because Pakistan is predictable.

:facepalm:

Pakistan has been predictability mediocre in the last two decades. It is not up for debate as I have proved.
 
Not every Pakistan win is a fluke. For example, the WT20 2009 was no fluke by any means. We were an elite T20 team from 2007 to 2010. Similarly, getting to the top of the rankings (although we went to #1 thanks to a washout between India and West Indies) in 2016 was not a fluke - we hardly played any cricket outside Asia between 2013-2016, and that Misbah's side was very good in UAE/Asia. Again, it wasn't flukey - circumstantial yes, but not flukey.

As usual, you are taking the debate into a different direction because you have convincingly failed to justify why Pakistan deserve the unpredictable and cornered tigers rubbish cliches and why it is something to be proud of.



You mean WT20 2010 right?

You are simply proving my point - England's journey in WT20 2010 was every bit the cliched cornered tigers and unpredictable performance, but you don't see English fans using such terms. It is only our rotten mentality.



As I said already, WT20 2009 wasn't, but Champions Trophy 2017 is right up there with the 1983 World Cup (see, Pakistan isn't the only team that can fluke a tournament win) and the 2004 Champions Trophy as the biggest fluke in history of ODI cricket.



It is not pigeon-holing or selective statistics, but hard, cold, convenient facts that dispel the myth that Pakistan is an unpredictable team and some cornered tiger that can win from any situation like no other team. These results show that Pakistan are predictably pathetic.



"So what"? is this your argument? You can get away from anything by playing the "so what" card. So what if we never win a single game of cricket again, no big deal. It is just a sport. And no, it is not about winning a Test series in Australia - it is about the uniquely humiliating achievement of losing every single Test in Australia since 1995.

No major team is as bad in any country as Pakistan is in Australia, and our performances have been entirely predictable and we have been cornered kittens who have not been able to get out of the corner.



Pakistan whitewashing England in 2012 was not a fluke. Our spin attack was brilliant and Misbah knew how to win in the UAE, and that is why we went to the number one ranking in Tests in 2016 because we were a very solid team in Asia and especially in the UAE. No flukes there.


You are not going to change the context of the debate by overusing the word fluke, and I have previously explained the H2H record before, and I will copy paste my post here for your convenience. Actually, India have fared better than Pakistan in H2H since 2000, but it is still close. Here is my post which explains the H2H record:

"The H2H doesn’t really tell the full story though.

Firstly, Pakistan’s worst era did not start from 2004 - our ODI team up till 2006 was pretty competitive. In fact, we were ranked number two in ODIs in 2006.

Indian cricket was certainly on the rise at that point, but they hadn’t really leapfrogged Pakistan until the likes of Inzamam, MoYo, Razzaq, Akhtar, Malik (pre 2008 version) etc. retired/declined.

The 2012-2013 season was the perfect time to tour India - their stalwarts were in decline, and the young players had not fully come into their own at that point. England beat them in Tests, and we beat them in ODIs. They got rid of the deadwood after that series and became a top side again.

Since 2013, there have obviously been no bilateral series. So during Pakistan’s worst era”, i.e. the 2010 era, the only time we faced them in a bilateral series was when India were in transition.

Hence, the qualification that India at their best have not been able to make inroads against Pakistan at their worst doesn’t hold true.

If Pakistan and India would have played regular bilateral cricket over the last decade or so, there is no doubt that India would have closed the gap in H2H record somewhat.

From 2007 onwards, apart from maybe 2012, they have been consistently the better team over the last 10 years or so, and we have only played two bilateral series in this period.

Yes we beat a Dhoni-less India in the 2014 Asia Cup, but one-off wins can happen - however, I highly doubt that we would have been beaten them in a series in that time period. Quite a few would probably have been one sided affairs as well."


I posted the above in April 2018, few months before the Asia Cup humiliation where the fearless and talented new age PSL superstars got pounded by a Kohli-less India.



Firstly, we need to overcome the talent delusion. There is a talent crisis in Pakistan and we cannot deny it forever. Besides, talent is a function of your system - a country that diverts its resources to one particular sport, it will eventually produce talent for that sport. Pakistan is a cricket mad nation with a cricket heritage of over 70 years. We are obviously going to produce a few talented players every now and then, but the frequency has dropped alarmingly in this millennium.

Secondly, as I have shown using the example of Sri Lanka and West Indies, their claim on being unpredictable and other rubbish cliches is as strong if not stronger than Pakistan's, but the difference is that their fans and their players do not celebrate unpredictability (mediocrity) and do not think it is something "cool". It is only our wretched mentality because we don't have the intelligence and the perception to understand that there is nothing great about being unpredictable.

Pakistan have been very mediocre in this millennium but have had a few highs which is what you can expect from a team that is not close to being elite but it not a genuine minnow yet, although we are heading that way in full speed.


It is not hatred, it is making peace with reality. There is nothing good about this country and there is nothing good about this current team. I do consider useful misfortune because you only get to live once, and somehow I managed to be born in this country. However, I cannot change who I am and where I belong to, so I am bound to serve my country as well as follow my team because of my passion for cricket.



I greatly admire the Indian team but I am indifferent towards them. Since Pakistan is garbage, I hope England go all the way and I would love to see West Indies qualify for the semifinals or even the final. Holder is an inspirational captain and he deserves it.
Wow, amazing read.
 
Not every Pakistan win is a fluke. For example, the WT20 2009 was no fluke by any means. We were an elite T20 team from 2007 to 2010. Similarly, getting to the top of the rankings (although we went to #1 thanks to a washout between India and West Indies) in 2016 was not a fluke - we hardly played any cricket outside Asia between 2013-2016, and that Misbah's side was very good in UAE/Asia. Again, it wasn't flukey - circumstantial yes, but not flukey.

As usual, you are taking the debate into a different direction because you have convincingly failed to justify why Pakistan deserve the unpredictable and cornered tigers rubbish cliches and why it is something to be proud of.



You mean WT20 2010 right?

You are simply proving my point - England's journey in WT20 2010 was every bit the cliched cornered tigers and unpredictable performance, but you don't see English fans using such terms. It is only our rotten mentality.



As I said already, WT20 2009 wasn't, but Champions Trophy 2017 is right up there with the 1983 World Cup (see, Pakistan isn't the only team that can fluke a tournament win) and the 2004 Champions Trophy as the biggest fluke in history of ODI cricket.



It is not pigeon-holing or selective statistics, but hard, cold, convenient facts that dispel the myth that Pakistan is an unpredictable team and some cornered tiger that can win from any situation like no other team. These results show that Pakistan are predictably pathetic.



"So what"? is this your argument? You can get away from anything by playing the "so what" card. So what if we never win a single game of cricket again, no big deal. It is just a sport. And no, it is not about winning a Test series in Australia - it is about the uniquely humiliating achievement of losing every single Test in Australia since 1995.

No major team is as bad in any country as Pakistan is in Australia, and our performances have been entirely predictable and we have been cornered kittens who have not been able to get out of the corner.



Pakistan whitewashing England in 2012 was not a fluke. Our spin attack was brilliant and Misbah knew how to win in the UAE, and that is why we went to the number one ranking in Tests in 2016 because we were a very solid team in Asia and especially in the UAE. No flukes there.


You are not going to change the context of the debate by overusing the word fluke, and I have previously explained the H2H record before, and I will copy paste my post here for your convenience. Actually, India have fared better than Pakistan in H2H since 2000, but it is still close. Here is my post which explains the H2H record:

"The H2H doesn’t really tell the full story though.

Firstly, Pakistan’s worst era did not start from 2004 - our ODI team up till 2006 was pretty competitive. In fact, we were ranked number two in ODIs in 2006.

Indian cricket was certainly on the rise at that point, but they hadn’t really leapfrogged Pakistan until the likes of Inzamam, MoYo, Razzaq, Akhtar, Malik (pre 2008 version) etc. retired/declined.

The 2012-2013 season was the perfect time to tour India - their stalwarts were in decline, and the young players had not fully come into their own at that point. England beat them in Tests, and we beat them in ODIs. They got rid of the deadwood after that series and became a top side again.

Since 2013, there have obviously been no bilateral series. So during Pakistan’s worst era”, i.e. the 2010 era, the only time we faced them in a bilateral series was when India were in transition.

Hence, the qualification that India at their best have not been able to make inroads against Pakistan at their worst doesn’t hold true.

If Pakistan and India would have played regular bilateral cricket over the last decade or so, there is no doubt that India would have closed the gap in H2H record somewhat.

From 2007 onwards, apart from maybe 2012, they have been consistently the better team over the last 10 years or so, and we have only played two bilateral series in this period.

Yes we beat a Dhoni-less India in the 2014 Asia Cup, but one-off wins can happen - however, I highly doubt that we would have been beaten them in a series in that time period. Quite a few would probably have been one sided affairs as well."


I posted the above in April 2018, few months before the Asia Cup humiliation where the fearless and talented new age PSL superstars got pounded by a Kohli-less India.



Firstly, we need to overcome the talent delusion. There is a talent crisis in Pakistan and we cannot deny it forever. Besides, talent is a function of your system - a country that diverts its resources to one particular sport, it will eventually produce talent for that sport. Pakistan is a cricket mad nation with a cricket heritage of over 70 years. We are obviously going to produce a few talented players every now and then, but the frequency has dropped alarmingly in this millennium.

Secondly, as I have shown using the example of Sri Lanka and West Indies, their claim on being unpredictable and other rubbish cliches is as strong if not stronger than Pakistan's, but the difference is that their fans and their players do not celebrate unpredictability (mediocrity) and do not think it is something "cool". It is only our wretched mentality because we don't have the intelligence and the perception to understand that there is nothing great about being unpredictable.

Pakistan have been very mediocre in this millennium but have had a few highs which is what you can expect from a team that is not close to being elite but it not a genuine minnow yet, although we are heading that way in full speed.


It is not hatred, it is making peace with reality. There is nothing good about this country and there is nothing good about this current team. I do consider useful misfortune because you only get to live once, and somehow I managed to be born in this country. However, I cannot change who I am and where I belong to, so I am bound to serve my country as well as follow my team because of my passion for cricket.



I greatly admire the Indian team but I am indifferent towards them. Since Pakistan is garbage, I hope England go all the way and I would love to see West Indies qualify for the semifinals or even the final. Holder is an inspirational captain and he deserves it.

Wow, how you have changed your tune. From Pakistan being mediocre/fluky post 2000 (your time frame, not mine), to Pakistan being an elite team here and there, and producing results which were not flukes. The only flukes were the adhoc results which were not expected.

Essentially, Pakistan is unpredictable.

Nice one.
 
Wow, how you have changed your tune. From Pakistan being mediocre/fluky post 2000 (your time frame, not mine), to Pakistan being an elite team here and there, and producing results which were not flukes. The only flukes were the adhoc results which were not expected.

Essentially, Pakistan is unpredictable.

Nice one.

“Pakistan have been very mediocre in this millennium but have had a few highs which is what you can expect from a team that is not close to being elite but it not a genuine minnow yet, although we are heading that way in full speed.”
 
Pakistan has been predictability mediocre in the last two decades. It is not up for debate as I have proved.

You have proved nothing other than undermined your own argument.

Your hatred of Pakistan will never permit you to be objective when it comes to Pakistan. You will, as proven above, paint Pakistan in a sorry picture by any means necessary; art is always subjective after all.
 
“Pakistan have been very mediocre in this millennium but have had a few highs which is what you can expect from a team that is not close to being elite but it not a genuine minnow yet, although we are heading that way in full speed.”

Meaning 50/50, in the middle of Elite and Minnows, ergo, unpredictable.
 
You have proved nothing other than undermined your own argument.

Your hatred of Pakistan will never permit you to be objective when it comes to Pakistan. You will, as proven above, paint Pakistan in a sorry picture by any means necessary; art is always subjective after all.

The only thing I have “undermined” is the myth that Pakistan has this supernatural ability of winning from hopeless situations and producing unpredictable performances like no other team can.

All rubbish nonsense and third rate myths that have infected the mentality of our players, fans, ex players, media analysts etc.
 
Meaning 50/50, in the middle of Elite and Minnows, ergo, unpredictable.

The middle between elite and minnow is mediocrity, and that is what Pakistan has been for the most part since 2000.

Unpredictability is a just romantic synonym for mediocrity. You are unpredictable (mediocre) because you are not good enough to win against the quality sides consistently, and you cannot do that because you are not good enough.

The reason why mediocrity had consistency has been rebranded as unpredictability and cornered tigers nonsense is because we celebrate and enjoy mediocrity.

As a nation, we don’t want to be consistently good. We want to be inconsistent so that we can surprise the world when we do well on occasions, and play the “we are unpredictable” and 0cornered tigers” cards.

That is why your embarrassing captain was spouting drivel before the West Indies match that it “is good that we are unpredictable because unpredictability is good”.

That pathetic statement alone is worthy of getting him sacked.

This glorification of mediocrity is the reason why every time there is a tournament, Pakistani fans repeat the usual crap of “it is good that we are not favorites because we always do well when people don’t fancy us”.

How many times have Pakistan gone into a tournament as a non-favorites and how many times have Pakistan won?

Unless we change our rotten mentality we will not improve.
 
The only thing I have “undermined” is the myth that Pakistan has this supernatural ability of winning from hopeless situations and producing unpredictable performances like no other team can.

All rubbish nonsense and third rate myths that have infected the mentality of our players, fans, ex players, media analysts etc.

No one has claimed Pakistan has a supernatural ability, but Pakistan has won from hopeless situations, and has won when least expected, and are notorious for it. Your opinions while biased, are not shared by the majority of professional cricketers/commentators/analysts of the game.

If you believe Pakistan are mediocre, and given your hatred of Pakistan, why on earth do you bother watching Pakistan games? Let me guess, in hope they might produce a shock result so then you can ramble on about how it was a fluke?

As for the mentality of Pakistan players, it's not because of the unpredictable tag, far from it. Politics, team infighting, and most importantly, weak leadership, are greater contributing factors.
 
The middle between elite and minnow is mediocrity, and that is what Pakistan has been for the most part since 2000.

Unpredictability is a just romantic synonym for mediocrity. You are unpredictable (mediocre) because you are not good enough to win against the quality sides consistently, and you cannot do that because you are not good enough.

The reason why mediocrity had consistency has been rebranded as unpredictability and cornered tigers nonsense is because we celebrate and enjoy mediocrity.

As a nation, we don’t want to be consistently good. We want to be inconsistent so that we can surprise the world when we do well on occasions, and play the “we are unpredictable” and 0cornered tigers” cards.

That is why your embarrassing captain was spouting drivel before the West Indies match that it “is good that we are unpredictable because unpredictability is good”.

That pathetic statement alone is worthy of getting him sacked.

This glorification of mediocrity is the reason why every time there is a tournament, Pakistani fans repeat the usual crap of “it is good that we are not favorites because we always do well when people don’t fancy us”.

How many times have Pakistan gone into a tournament as a non-favorites and how many times have Pakistan won?

Unless we change our rotten mentality we will not improve.

Do you not understand? The fact Pakistan sit between Elite and Minnow means their performances are unpredictable.

How many times have Pakistan gone into a tournament as favourites and lost?

It’s funny when you mention *Nation* you use ‘We’, but when you mention *Captain* you use ‘Your’.

Unless you change your filthy and rotton mentality towards Pakistan, you as a person will never improve.
 
Do you not understand? The fact Pakistan sit between Elite and Minnow means their performances are unpredictable.

How many times have Pakistan gone into a tournament as favourites and lost?

It’s funny when you mention *Nation* you use ‘We’, but when you mention *Captain* you use ‘Your’.

Unless you change your filthy and rotton mentality towards Pakistan, you as a person will never improve.

When was the last time Pakistan did something “unpredictable”?
 
No one has claimed Pakistan has a supernatural ability, but Pakistan has won from hopeless situations, and has won when least expected, and are notorious for it. Your opinions while biased, are not shared by the majority of professional cricketers/commentators/analysts of the game.

If you believe Pakistan are mediocre, and given your hatred of Pakistan, why on earth do you bother watching Pakistan games? Let me guess, in hope they might produce a shock result so then you can ramble on about how it was a fluke?

As for the mentality of Pakistan players, it's not because of the unpredictable tag, far from it. Politics, team infighting, and most importantly, weak leadership, are greater contributing factors.

Once again, and perhaps for the final time, winning from hopeless situations or winning when they are least expected to win is not something unique to Pakistan.

The reason why we are notorious (or famous) for it is because we glorify unpredictability.

For example, had we won the Test series in South Africa earlier this year instead of Sri Lanka, we would have started doing bhangra over how unpredictable we are and how it was a cornered tigers moment, but Sri Lanka understood that they are a weak side who just happened to exceed expectations in one series. That is all.

People are generally prone to falling for cliches. It happens in every sport and it happens in cricket as well.

The myth that Pakistan is an unpredictable team is not the only lazy cliche in cricket, but it is right up there with the myth that “Australia always turn up in tournaments”.

People in general do not bother to research if there is any truth behind cliches. They see others calling Pakistan unpredictable and mercurial or Australia a big tournament team, and they repeat it without thinking it through.

I bother to support Pakistan because I am a passionate follower of the game and I have the misfortune of being a Pakistani, so I have no choice but to support and watch Pakistan’s matches.

I think I clarified it multiple posts ago, but perhaps you want me to repeat that the statement that it is my misfortune to be a Pakistani, because you want the whole forum to see it. Fine, I will repeat it as many times as you like, I have nothing to hide.

This unpredictability and cornered tigers rubbish has infected the psyche of our players and fans alike. We think it is cool to be unpredictable and we feel happy when we are given these cliches.

As a result, we are also prone to dramay-baazi as well. That is why before every World Cup, our squad makes a trip to Bani Gala to listen to the cornered tigers speech from Imran, while our fans are doing bhangra over it as if it will make a difference.

I don’t see the Indian team visiting Kapil to listen to his speech about their cornered tigers moment in 1983, or West Indies meeting with Lloyd, or Australia meeting with Border, Steve Waugh or Ponting, or Sri Lanka meeting Ranatunga.

When you are rubbish at cricket, you focus more on such nonsense to compensate. So far, Sarfraz meeting the Queen in shalwar kameez has been the highlight of our World Cup campaign. That is what we have been reduced to because of our rotten mentality.
 
Do you not understand? The fact Pakistan sit between Elite and Minnow means their performances are unpredictable.

How many times have Pakistan gone into a tournament as favourites and lost?

It’s funny when you mention *Nation* you use ‘We’, but when you mention *Captain* you use ‘Your’.

Unless you change your filthy and rotton mentality towards Pakistan, you as a person will never improve.

Again, inconsistency (I refuse to use the romanticized synonym “unpredictability”), is not unique to Pakistan and it nothing to be proud of.

Any team that is usually ranked 5th, 6th or 7th like Pakistan is most of them time is inconsistent. They do win against better teams on occasion and they also lose to worse teams as well, which is why they have median ranking.

Sri Lanka, West Indies and Pakistan have all been inconsistent for a long time now, but Pakistan is the only country that glorifies its inconsistency.

Pakistan have won only World Cup since 1975, and apart from 1-2 occasions, it has never been considered as the pre-tournament favorites.

This simply proves that it doesn’t matter if we are underdogs or favorites - we are almost never good enough to go all the way, so our fans need to keep this in mind before hoping that our underdog status will give magical powers to the team.

I didn’t really pay attention to the fact that I used “your” instead of “our” for Sarfraz. Perhaps I used “your” subconsciously because he is a walking and talking embarrassment and I feel humiliated that he is the captain of Pakistan.
 
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