Pakistan army decides to 'limit' National Day parade amid economic woes

[Mian]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I appreciate Pak Mil's unprecedented voluntary initiative of stringent cuts in their defence expenditures for next FY bec of our critical financial situation, despite multiple security challenges. My govt will spend this money saved on dev of merged tribal areas & Balochistan.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1135971466552512520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 4, 2019</a></blockquote>
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I agree we should spend in FATA it's necessary BUT i am against this decision of cutting defense budget specially after what we saw in February our forces need to be ready and should have all the resources.

 

[Mian]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">ہماری قومی سلامتی کو درپیش گوناں گوں چیلنجز کے باوجود افوجِ پاکستان کا آئندہ مالی سال کے دفاعی اخراجات میں رضاکارانہ کمی کا فیصلہ قابل تحسین ہے۔ اس بچت کے نتیجے میں میسر آنے والا سرمایہ خیبر پختونخوا میں ضم ہونے والے قبائلی اضلاع اور بلوچستان کی تعمیر و ترقی میں صرف کیا جائے گا۔</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1135984136357855233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 4, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[WebGuru]

If this is true thn i can see some of our liberals coming up with conspiracy theory of century!

It looks like PMLN supporters already started bashing PTI and are not jumping on Army bandwagon

 

[slipcatch]

The coward radicalized extremists hindu nationalists have already won the election.

They will not risk the lives of Indian soldiers or Indian citizens again for at least next 5 years, come election time, they will drop to new lowest level.

About Pakistani military, it is well prepared to tackle any stupidity by radicalized extremist nationalist hindu PM.

Directing the funds to development is a good initiative, let's hope it will produce results for the better.

It is another example of how, both the civilian government and the military are working together to improve the lives of ordinary Pakistanis.

 

[WebGuru]

Haha so now PMLN don't want any budget cut on defence )

Take it liberals now support Panama Rani like you always do even after this

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">نوازشریف نے تمہارے دھرنوں اور سازشوں کے باوجود ملکی دفاعی ضروریات پر کوئی سمجھوتہ نہیں کیا ۔ <br>ضرب عزب اور ردلفساد کے لیئے دفاعی ضرورت پوری کیں اور سامنے سے لیڈ کیا اورالحمد للہ کامیابی سے ہمکنار کرایا۔ <br>تمہاری نالائقی عوام سے روٹی چھیننے کے بعد ملکی دفاع کے لیئے بھی خطرہ بن گئی۔ <a href="https://t.co/guYVmkcWwB">https://t.co/guYVmkcWwB</a></p>— Maryam Nawaz Sharif (@MaryamNSharif) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaryamNSharif/status/1135986060033478657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 4, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">نوازشریف نے ملکی دفاع کو جدید آلات اور جدید ٹریننگ سے لیس کرنے اور جوانوں کی تنخواہوں پر کوئی سمجھوتہ نہیں کیا<br>ضرب عزب اور ردلفساد جیسے چیلنجز کے باوجود فاٹا اصلاحات اور بلوچستان کی ترقی<br>کے اقدامات بھی ہوئے۔<br>تمہاری نالائقی نے یہ دن دکھا دیا اداروں کو بھی اور عوام کو بھی۔ <a href="https://t.co/guYVmkcWwB">https://t.co/guYVmkcWwB</a></p>— Maryam Nawaz Sharif (@MaryamNSharif) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaryamNSharif/status/1135986523231465472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 4, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[WebGuru]

It is another example of how, both the civilian government and the military are working together to improve the lives of ordinary Pakistanis.

The fact that Army is on board with IK and he is able to take strong decisions for the nation is a nightmare for many specially for "army behind everything brigade"

 

[WebGuru]

Is bibi ka to rona he nae khatam ho raha after hearing this news.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MNS as PM catered to all the needs of the Armed Forces which included salary increases etc plus purchases for new equipment & development & training which is crucial to their preparedness. This is the difference between competence & incompetence that you personify. <a href="https://t.co/guYVmkcWwB">https://t.co/guYVmkcWwB</a></p>— Maryam Nawaz Sharif (@MaryamNSharif) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaryamNSharif/status/1135988226844442624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 4, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Mian]

^ Maryam turning into a boot polishya? )

 

[slipcatch]

The fact that Army is on board with IK and he is able to take strong decisions for the nation is a nightmare for many specially for "army behind everything brigade"

The narrative of Pakistani military still trying to support insurgency in Kashmir is mostly sold by Indians, wrist slitter Pakistanis and hypocrite Pakistani to save their chaddi from ahetisab

Since Kargil and after Musharaf came to power, Army strategy toward Kashmir has totally changed, which is to solve Kashmir issue with dialogue. Only Indian and wrist slitter Pakistani wants to keep the other narrative alive.

Pakistani military understand that the biggest threat to Pakistan's existence is poor and unstable economy, and nothing could have been done to improve it under the government of family dynastic politicians.

Narrative of wrist slitters will die down in due course.

Narrative of Indian will not due to rise in radicalized extremist nationalist hinduism in India.

 

[Bewal Express]

^ Maryam turning into a boot polishya? )

This is too funny.

 

[Mian]

Uturn of Geo and leftists on twitetr are hillarios it looks like their whole narrative is to oppose whatever IK do

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India is going to spend 60b$ on its defence expenditures and we are going to cut our defence budget due to trainees, God bless our country <a href="https://t.co/PnQLZkVoj0">https://t.co/PnQLZkVoj0</a></p>— Arshad Waheed Ch (@arshad_Geo) <a href="https://twitter.com/arshad_Geo/status/1135990161823674369?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 4, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">دنیا اپنی سلامتی کو یقینی بنانے کے کئے زیادہ پیسے خرچ کر کے اس پہ فخر کرتی ہے اور یہاں بجٹ کم کر کے ملکی سلامتی کو خطرے میں ڈال کر ایک دوسرے کو مبارک بادیں دی جا رہی ہیں ، کون لوگ او تسی</p>— Arshad Waheed Ch (@arshad_Geo) <a href="https://twitter.com/arshad_Geo/status/1135992140704755714?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 4, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Mian]

This is too funny.

Check tweets of Geo guy you will love their reaction

 

[WebGuru]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Voluntary cut in def budget for a year will not be at the cost of def & security. We shall maint effective response potential to all threats.Three services will manage impact of the cut through appropriate internal measures. It was imp to participate in dev of tribal areas & Bln.</p>— Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor (@OfficialDGISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1136003059476324353?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 4, 2019</a></blockquote>
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PML-N & PPP before today: Khan has the tacit support of the army, and he will repay their debt by lavishing them with a generous defence budget.

PML-N & PPP from today: Khan has endangered our national security by slashing our defence budget.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

The government didn't really cut the defense budget now did it? It's 'voluntary'. So the credit goes to the Army, not the government.

 

[Pakpak]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

[WebGuru]

Ayse kese?

 

[Pete Rose]

A difficult day for the usual suspects

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">COAS spent Eid with troops along LOC. “Best Eid for a soldier is to have pride for being on duty of defending the motherland even on such festive days away from family. For defenders of Pakistan, our first family is the Pakistani nation, then the ones back home”, COAS. <a href="https://t.co/JHwNmGwjUW">pic.twitter.com/JHwNmGwjUW</a></p>— Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor (@OfficialDGISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1136190448224153602?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[AdamM97]

Funny how all the anti-army leftists are now crying about what a dumb move this is.

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

 

[Bewal Express]

Just imagine if IK announced another increase- watch the losers reaction then.

 

[saeedhk]

Gul Bukhari is a really confused individual. I used to admire her for her stance against extremism but now she has become a laughing stock.

There are no genuine liberals in our country. Jibran Nasir is the only good one. A very objective and level-headed person.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Gul Bukhari is a really confused individual. I used to admire her for her stance against extremism but now she has become a laughing stock.

There are no genuine liberals in our country. Jibran Nasir is the only good one. A very objective and level-headed person.

Gul Bukhari is a partisan hack.

 

[PakLFC]

Instead of recovering the looted wealth of Zardari and Nawaz the PM is congratulating the military for cutting their budget. He obviously has no idea of the scenario in the Middle East and India. He knows nothing of how much the arch rivals budget is compared to ours. At times IK is a complete clown.

 

[Savak]

Has the Pakistani army ever volunteered to cut its defence budget for any Pakistani PM in history before. Ramiz Raja in an interview mentioned according to his contacts in the military and bureacracy, they have never ever seen such a hard working and dedicated PM before in their life time. I just know the Pakistani army respects our current PM more than any other civilian leadership in the country's history. This is how you keep the millitary out of politics, by providing good honest leadership at the top as the bare minimum.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Indian fake media busy spinning on our internal def budgeting choice.Don’t forget,we were the same forces with same budget on 27 Feb 19. We hv the capability & capacity to respond. Remember, it’s not budgeting, it’s resolve of force & the nation firmly standing behind its forces.</p>— Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor (@OfficialDGISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1136221749752795136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Loralai]

Two huge failures by DG ISPR lately - the tweet above and the one targeting the BBC article on recent events in Waziristan. Massively embarrassing.

It speaks volumes for the state of our democracy that it is our Army deciding how much of the budget it will take and that civilian PM is adopting a tone of gratitude.

 

[Heisenberg111]

Two huge failures by DG ISPR lately - the tweet above and the one targeting the BBC article on recent events in Waziristan. Massively embarrassing.

It speaks volumes for the state of our democracy that it is our Army deciding how much of the budget it will take and that civilian PM is adopting a tone of gratitude.

Keep crying, ISPR rocks.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Good move , total respect to IK for this . I may disagree with a lot of his politics but I am not blinded by my hatred to see whats right .

 

[Syed1]

Two huge failures by DG ISPR lately - the tweet above and the one targeting the BBC article on recent events in Waziristan. Massively embarrassing.

It speaks volumes for the state of our democracy that it is our Army deciding how much of the budget it will take and that civilian PM is adopting a tone of gratitude.

As an openly declared traitor you will obviously always have a problem with anything the army does.

 

[shah_1]

Good job Pakistan Army

 

[Lonewarrior]

look at our concerned neighbour ...

can someone plz tell me whos selling 180 Kg/Litr Milk ?

 

[Waseem]

Now now now, it has been proven what most of us have been saying for years.

These people do NOT just oppose the policies of Army but they simply oppose them for EVERYTHING they do. There could be many reasons for that but surely their criticism is NOT on the policies. We have criticised Army's policies (Blunders to be exact) as well but we totally support them for risking their lives and performing reasonably well in extremely challenging conditions with threats from everywhere.

This is probably worst form of boot polishing when the Army is saying "Yes we understand economic situation is extremely challenging so will reduce defence budget but boot polishyie crying NO you don't need to do this, remember we never asked you to do this in our government"??

 

[Waseem]

Two huge failures by DG ISPR lately - the tweet above and the one targeting the BBC article on recent events in Waziristan. Massively embarrassing.

It speaks volumes for the state of our democracy that it is our Army deciding how much of the budget it will take and that civilian PM is adopting a tone of gratitude.

So you really think Army just decided to cut the budget without any request from sitting government?

Government asked one of institution "Army in this case" to reduce their budget and they agreed. Any normal person without personal agendas and bias would appreciate both government and Army since it's beneficial to poor people except some people who still manage to poke hole in this

It's hilarious to read tweets from PMLN leaders like Maryam, Ahsan Iqbal etc who are trying to argue that GREAT Nawaz never cut Army's budget but Imran Khan has managed to do that. Till date, they were challenging PTI govt to cut defence budget

 

[desirous of desire]

look at our concerned neighbour ...

can someone plz tell me whos selling 180 Kg/Litr Milk ?

Kg/Litre ?l

 

[Lonewarrior]

Kg/Litre ?l

what i meant is per litre ..

 

[desirous of desire]

what i meant is per litre ..

i know u meant 180 Kg per litre. May be i didnt get you or there is something wrong with the value because the density of milk is 1 kg per litre.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

So you really think Army just decided to cut the budget without any request from sitting government?

Government asked one of institution "Army in this case" to reduce their budget and they agreed. Any normal person without personal agendas and bias would appreciate both government and Army since it's beneficial to poor people except some people who still manage to poke hole in this

It's hilarious to read tweets from PMLN leaders like Maryam, Ahsan Iqbal etc who are trying to argue that GREAT Nawaz never cut Army's budget but Imran Khan has managed to do that. Till date, they were challenging PTI govt to cut defence budget

Think the budget cut in the armed forces is the natural consequence of going to IMF. Every institution will suffer from these cuts and forces are no exception.

 

[slipcatch]

Think the budget cut in the armed forces is the natural consequence of going to IMF. Every institution will suffer from these cuts and forces are no exception.

Pakistan has been going to IMF for a long time, and I am sure in the past, they had found a way to not cut military budget.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Pakistan has been going to IMF for a long time, and I am sure in the past, they had found a way to not cut military budget.

Tells you a story don't you think?

 

[Napa]

All this talk of the Pakistani Army cutting its budget misses the point.

The Pakistani Army's budget of $10 billion a year is only a small part of the cost it imposes on the economy.

Pakistan's GDP was $300 billion in 2017. India's per cap PPP GDP is about 35% higher. If Pakistan was at the same level as India, it's GDP should have been about $400 billion.

Given that India has a huge number of tribals, Pakistan's per cap PPP GDP should actually be much higher than India's, and if it was functioning at the same level as similar parts of India, its GDP should have been around $500 billion.

So there is a shortfall of $200 billion a year, most notably due to its inability to develop the sort of modern industries that India has developed.

The reason Pakistan's economy fares so much worse that comparable parts of India is that its Army:

1) is responsible for creating insecurity in the country. It supports terrorism in Kashmir and India retaliates by supporting terrorism in Pakistan. The jihadi outfits nurtured by the Army/ISI also have a mind of their own, and threaten Westerners. Net result is that no FDI from the West and no development of modern industries. Daniel Pearl, Osama Bin Laden etc. are on the minds of Western leaders and investors.

2) imposes costs on the economy in other forms, notably retired military officers who are not qualified taking posts in the private sector, stopping the development of democracy by regularly interfering in elections etc.

The real cost of the Pakistani Army to Pakistan's economy is not the $10 billion a year budget, it is keeping the economy backward which costs over $200 billion a year.
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[Major]

wait, so we are supposed to admire someone who is below the govt not above for taking a cut?

this is more embarrassing for our so called democratic country. This is a joke of democracy.

The military has only shown who the real boss is. ANd pathetic by the joke of a leader who act take action but has to beg them.

Then again, when it comes to money he is good at begging. First begging country's now begging the COAS.

Pathetic.

 

[Mamoon]

All this talk of the Pakistani Army cutting its budget misses the point.

The Pakistani Army's budget of $10 billion a year is only a small part of the cost it imposes on the economy.

Pakistan's GDP was $300 billion in 2017. India's per cap PPP GDP is about 35% higher. If Pakistan was at the same level as India, it's GDP should have been about $400 billion.

Given that India has a huge number of tribals, Pakistan's per cap PPP GDP should actually be much higher than India's, and if it was functioning at the same level as similar parts of India, its GDP should have been around $500 billion.

So there is a shortfall of $200 billion a year, most notably due to its inability to develop the sort of modern industries that India has developed.

The reason Pakistan's economy fares so much worse that comparable parts of India is that its Army:

1) is responsible for creating insecurity in the country. It supports terrorism in Kashmir and India retaliates by supporting terrorism in Pakistan. The jihadi outfits nurtured by the Army/ISI also have a mind of their own, and threaten Westerners. Net result is that no FDI from the West and no development of modern industries. Daniel Pearl, Osama Bin Laden etc. are on the minds of Western leaders and investors.

2) imposes costs on the economy in other forms, notably retired military officers who are not qualified taking posts in the private sector, stopping the development of democracy by regularly interfering in elections etc.

The real cost of the Pakistani Army to Pakistan's economy is not the $10 billion a year budget, it is keeping the economy backward which costs over $200 billion a year.
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Well said, I completely agree. Moreover, the timing of this news is quite interesting. Our military's propaganda is obviously very strong in Pakistan, but they have zero influence in international forums. In the last 10 months or so, they have received a lot of bad press in international media (BBC, Economist, FP etc.) mainly due to the fact that yet again, they have helped the party of their choice win the election and secondly, their brutal mistreatment of PTM and the people of FATA.

The timing of this so-called "budget cut" is an indication that they are finally cracking under pressure. Furthermore, it is pertinent to point out that the pension of the retired military officers is paid by the federal government. Why doesn't the military pay pension from their own budget?

Up until 1995, the pension of the military officers were paid from the military budget before someone came up with the trick of making the federal government bear the cost.

Unfortunately, we are a gullible nation that is very easy to fool. People are in awe of the so-called great favour by the military, but what they don't realise that unless and until the country is able to break free from their stranglehold, there is no possibility of achieving economic progression.

 

[Waseem]

As we always said, criticism is not on policies and these people will criticise no matter how many of their objections are addressed.

Corrupt mafia and their supporters are hating the fact that one of their biggest tools is being snatched from them, less things to cry about now

 

[Waseem]

All this talk of the Pakistani Army cutting its budget misses the point.

The Pakistani Army's budget of $10 billion a year is only a small part of the cost it imposes on the economy.

Pakistan's GDP was $300 billion in 2017. India's per cap PPP GDP is about 35% higher. If Pakistan was at the same level as India, it's GDP should have been about $400 billion.

Given that India has a huge number of tribals, Pakistan's per cap PPP GDP should actually be much higher than India's, and if it was functioning at the same level as similar parts of India, its GDP should have been around $500 billion.

So there is a shortfall of $200 billion a year, most notably due to its inability to develop the sort of modern industries that India has developed.

The reason Pakistan's economy fares so much worse that comparable parts of India is that its Army:

1) is responsible for creating insecurity in the country. It supports terrorism in Kashmir and India retaliates by supporting terrorism in Pakistan. The jihadi outfits nurtured by the Army/ISI also have a mind of their own, and threaten Westerners. Net result is that no FDI from the West and no development of modern industries. Daniel Pearl, Osama Bin Laden etc. are on the minds of Western leaders and investors.

2) imposes costs on the economy in other forms, notably retired military officers who are not qualified taking posts in the private sector, stopping the development of democracy by regularly interfering in elections etc.

The real cost of the Pakistani Army to Pakistan's economy is not the $10 billion a year budget, it is keeping the economy backward which costs over $200 billion a year.
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Do we need to read beyond that? NOT AT ALL!

It's Pakistan that always does the bad things and poor Indians just retaliate because they have no choice

I actually wanted to create a thread on this but i've been busy with work. One of the biggest arguments Indians and Nawaz Sharif supporters used in the last few years was that Army does not let Nawaz Sharif engage in peace talks because if that happens Army's budget will be reduced. HOGWASH!

If that was the case then Imran Khan has done more for peace between India and Pakistan than even Nawaz Sharif and if Army didn't want that then why did they allow Imran to do what they stopped Nawaz Sharif from doing?

Modi's *b*h*a*k*t*s (in India and Pakistan) totally ignored the fact that there was an extremist ruling in India whose only motive is to use Pakistan as a scapegoat for his HATE politics. We all saw how this mad man brought two countries so close to fighting a war which could have resulted in thousands of deaths. Whole world acknowledged Pakistan's stance as we kept our cool and offered to ease tensions at every oposrtunity (I can list actions Imran and his govt took). Why did Pakistan fauj not use the opportunity to escalate tensions which could have been more easier than ever before in recent history?

Pakistan's Kashmir policy has massively changed as well, there is massive upsrising in Kashmir with absolutely minimal interference from Pakistan (Many Indians have admitted this fact). India on the other hand has once again given Ajit Doval free hand to create troubles in Balochistan and Pashtun areas (his openly admitted stance).

Shameless losers on our side of the border blame our own Army for all the troubles because it suits their political stance despite seeing real face of Modi and his Hinduvta ideology post Pulwama.

 

[WebGuru]

Shameless losers on our side of the border blame our own Army for all the troubles because it suits their political stance despite seeing real face of Modi and his Hinduvta ideology post Pulwama.

A bitter truth but 100% agree with you

 

[Syed1]

Do we need to read beyond that? NOT AT ALL!

It's Pakistan that always does the bad things and poor Indians just retaliate because they have no choice

I actually wanted to create a thread on this but i've been busy with work. One of the biggest arguments Indians and Nawaz Sharif supporters used in the last few years was that Army does not let Nawaz Sharif engage in peace talks because if that happens Army's budget will be reduced. HOGWASH!

If that was the case then Imran Khan has done more for peace between India and Pakistan than even Nawaz Sharif and if Army didn't want that then why did they allow Imran to do what they stopped Nawaz Sharif from doing?

Modi's *b*h*a*k*t*s (in India and Pakistan) totally ignored the fact that there was an extremist ruling in India whose only motive is to use Pakistan as a scapegoat for his HATE politics. We all saw how this mad man brought two countries so close to fighting a war which could have resulted in thousands of deaths. Whole world acknowledged Pakistan's stance as we kept our cool and offered to ease tensions at every oposrtunity (I can list actions Imran and his govt took). Why did Pakistan fauj not use the opportunity to escalate tensions which could have been more easier than ever before in recent history?

Pakistan's Kashmir policy has massively changed as well, there is massive upsrising in Kashmir with absolutely minimal interference from Pakistan (Many Indians have admitted this fact). India on the other hand has once again given Ajit Doval free hand to create troubles in Balochistan and Pashtun areas (his openly admitted stance).

Shameless losers on our side of the border blame our own Army for all the troubles because it suits their political stance despite seeing real face of Modi and his Hinduvta ideology post Pulwama.

I respect the fact that you had the patience to read his drivel and on top of that compose a well thought out response to it.

 

[slipcatch]

I respect the fact that you had the patience to read his drivel and on top of that compose a well thought out response to it.

Lol.

He try to appear as if he is presenting well thought explanation and idea by posting few links but anyone with minute understanding of economy, politics and the region would easily understand he has no clue of what he is talking about.

99.99% of the times he is trying to justify extremist idea of radicalized extremists Hindu nationalists ideology.

 

[Mian]

All this talk of the Pakistani Army cutting its budget misses the point.

The Pakistani Army's budget of $10 billion a year is only a small part of the cost it imposes on the economy.

Pakistan's GDP was $300 billion in 2017. India's per cap PPP GDP is about 35% higher. If Pakistan was at the same level as India, it's GDP should have been about $400 billion.

Given that India has a huge number of tribals, Pakistan's per cap PPP GDP should actually be much higher than India's, and if it was functioning at the same level as similar parts of India, its GDP should have been around $500 billion.

So there is a shortfall of $200 billion a year, most notably due to its inability to develop the sort of modern industries that India has developed.

The reason Pakistan's economy fares so much worse that comparable parts of India is that its Army:

1) is responsible for creating insecurity in the country. It supports terrorism in Kashmir and India retaliates by supporting terrorism in Pakistan. The jihadi outfits nurtured by the Army/ISI also have a mind of their own, and threaten Westerners. Net result is that no FDI from the West and no development of modern industries. Daniel Pearl, Osama Bin Laden etc. are on the minds of Western leaders and investors.

2) imposes costs on the economy in other forms, notably retired military officers who are not qualified taking posts in the private sector, stopping the development of democracy by regularly interfering in elections etc.

The real cost of the Pakistani Army to Pakistan's economy is not the $10 billion a year budget, it is keeping the economy backward which costs over $200 billion a year.
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Who are you to comment on Pakistan's internal issue? I would like to see some of your long essays on rise of hindutva and extreme mindset in India first please provide some links

 

[Napa]

Do we need to read beyond that? NOT AT ALL!

It's Pakistan that always does the bad things and poor Indians just retaliate because they have no choice

I actually wanted to create a thread on this but i've been busy with work. One of the biggest arguments Indians and Nawaz Sharif supporters used in the last few years was that Army does not let Nawaz Sharif engage in peace talks because if that happens Army's budget will be reduced. HOGWASH!

Nawaz pretty well knows that peace with India is needed for Pakistan's economic development. The Kargil War was started by the Pakistani Army to foil him. The Army has a long record of taking actions that keep alive the hostilities with India.

If that was the case then Imran Khan has done more for peace between India and Pakistan than even Nawaz Sharif and if Army didn't want that then why did they allow Imran to do what they stopped Nawaz Sharif from doing?

IK has done ZERO for peace other than talk. India is not interested in words, it wants real action. It regards IK as the Army's puppet and is not interested in talking to him when he cannot deliver real action. IK's recent statement about Kashmir shows that no progress will be made by engaging with him, so Modi is not interested in wasting his time talking to him.

Modi's *b*h*a*k*t*s (in India and Pakistan) totally ignored the fact that there was an extremist ruling in India whose only motive is to use Pakistan as a scapegoat for his HATE politics. We all saw how this mad man brought two countries so close to fighting a war which could have resulted in thousands of deaths. Whole world acknowledged Pakistan's stance as we kept our cool and offered to ease tensions at every oposrtunity (I can list actions Imran and his govt took). Why did Pakistan fauj not use the opportunity to escalate tensions which could have been more easier than ever before in recent history?

"Whole world" did nothing of the sort, stop being delusional.

Pakistan's Kashmir policy has massively changed as well, there is massive upsrising in Kashmir with absolutely minimal interference from Pakistan (Many Indians have admitted this fact). India on the other hand has once again given Ajit Doval free hand to create troubles in Balochistan and Pashtun areas (his openly admitted stance).

Shameless losers on our side of the border blame our own Army for all the troubles because it suits their political stance despite seeing real face of Modi and his Hinduvta ideology post Pulwama.

Traditionally the two main sources of wealth for the Pakistani military have been squeezing the Pakistani economy and the West in return to being their ally in the region against the Soviets and in the WoT. With the end of the Cold War and the ISI's alliance with the Taliban, Western military aid is drying up.

That leaves the Pakistani economy. The Pakistani Army at this point has a dilemma. It can continue squeezing the Pakistani economy, but that also means the economy will remain underdeveloped. It cannot have both, it has to choose between continuing its dominance of the civilians or it can choose economic growth. Recent overtures to India for peace show that it realizes peace is needed for economic development. However, it really hasn't done anything tangible so peace won't happen and economic development won't happen.

Who are you to comment on Pakistan's internal issue? I would like to see some of your long essays on rise of hindutva and extreme mindset in India first please provide some links

Pakistan is your country not mine. If you can't figure out what is needed to make it progress then outsiders cannot help you even though they may make an effort to give a bit of advice. I have no interest in posting more to this thread, be well.

 

[Vega]

Nawaz pretty well knows that peace with India is needed for Pakistan's economic development. The Kargil War was started by the Pakistani Army to foil him. The Army has a long record of taking actions that keep alive the hostilities with India.



IK has done ZERO for peace other than talk. India is not interested in words, it wants real action. It regards IK as the Army's puppet and is not interested in talking to him when he cannot deliver real action. IK's recent statement about Kashmir shows that no progress will be made by engaging with him, so Modi is not interested in wasting his time talking to him.



"Whole world" did nothing of the sort, stop being delusional.



Traditionally the two main sources of wealth for the Pakistani military have been squeezing the Pakistani economy and the West in return to being their ally in the region against the Soviets and in the WoT. With the end of the Cold War and the ISI's alliance with the Taliban, Western military aid is drying up.

That leaves the Pakistani economy. The Pakistani Army at this point has a dilemma. It can continue squeezing the Pakistani economy, but that also means the economy will remain underdeveloped. It cannot have both, it has to choose between continuing its dominance of the civilians or it can choose economic growth. Recent overtures to India for peace show that it realizes peace is needed for economic development. However, it really hasn't done anything tangible so peace won't happen and economic development won't happen.



Pakistan is your country not mine. If you can't figure out what is needed to make it progress then outsiders cannot help you even though they may make an effort to give a bit of advice. I have no interest in posting more to this thread, be well.

Nawaz Sharif was unable to do any good for the economy.

While Musharraf was able to make Pakistan economy progress, even during his first 3 years (from 1999 till 2002 when no US aid came).

Musharraf was able to make Pakistan economy progress even when he was indulged in the Kargil war.

It is due to Nawaz and Zardari that Pakistan has such a bad economy.

Imran Khan is facing problems today, due to the wrong doings of Nawaz and Zardari.

 

[Mian]

Pakistan is your country not mine. If you can't figure out what is needed to make it progress then outsiders cannot help you even though they may make an effort to give a bit of advice. I have no interest in posting more to this thread, be well.

That's what you always you don't miss a chance to bash Pakistan and Pakistan army and blame for everything on PP but you conveniently ignore all the extremism and rise of hindutva mindset in your country under the leadership of Modi i would love to see your long posts there too regularly just like you talk about Pakistan's economy on every available opportunity why ignore the issues of your own country while wasting time on ours?

 

[Rishikesh]

Well said, I completely agree. Moreover, the timing of this news is quite interesting. Our military's propaganda is obviously very strong in Pakistan, but they have zero influence in international forums. In the last 10 months or so, they have received a lot of bad press in international media (BBC, Economist, FP etc.) mainly due to the fact that yet again, they have helped the party of their choice win the election and secondly, their brutal mistreatment of PTM and the people of FATA.

The timing of this so-called "budget cut" is an indication that they are finally cracking under pressure. Furthermore, it is pertinent to point out that the pension of the retired military officers is paid by the federal government. Why doesn't the military pay pension from their own budget?

Up until 1995, the pension of the military officers were paid from the military budget before someone came up with the trick of making the federal government bear the cost.

Unfortunately, we are a gullible nation that is very easy to fool. People are in awe of the so-called great favour by the military, but what they don't realise that unless and until the country is able to break free from their stranglehold, there is no possibility of achieving economic progression.

In India bulk of defence funds are used to pay salaries and pensions. Do those billion dollars worth military owned industries pay taxes

 

[Napa]

That's what you always you don't miss a chance to bash Pakistan and Pakistan army and blame for everything on PP but you conveniently ignore all the extremism and rise of hindutva mindset in your country under the leadership of Modi i would love to see your long posts there too regularly just like you talk about Pakistan's economy on every available opportunity why ignore the issues of your own country while wasting time on ours?

Most likely because I am mainly interested in economic issues and India has been doing fairly well with 7%+ growth rates and $420B forex reserves. I also believe that while BJP has some extremists who should be defeated, the extremists are a small fraction and overall the party is doing good to the country's economy. Unlike some liberals, I do not consider an effort to expel illegal immigrants a bad thing.

I am also interested in discussing the behavior of Pakistan's Army/ISI as its actions lead to Indians dying in Kashmir in addition to keeping Pakistan economically underdeveloped.

 

[Mian]

Most likely because I am mainly interested in economic issues and India has been doing fairly well with 7%+ growth rates and $420B forex reserves. I also believe that while BJP has some extremists who should be defeated, the extremists are a small fraction and overall the party is doing good to the country's economy. Unlike some liberals, I do not consider an effort to expel illegal immigrants a bad thing.

I am also interested in discussing the behavior of Pakistan's Army/ISI as its actions lead to Indians dying in Kashmir in addition to keeping Pakistan economically underdeveloped.

Again your reply is an effort to divert attention from the rise of hindutva ideology in India and is more about your obsession with Pak Army. I will just advise to focus on your internal issues instead of poking your nose into our issues because i don't think these regular mob lynchings are minor issues. It's your country i got no issue with what you do with your legal or illegal immigrants.

 

[Heisenberg111]

Well said, I completely agree. Moreover, the timing of this news is quite interesting. Our military's propaganda is obviously very strong in Pakistan, but they have zero influence in international forums. In the last 10 months or so, they have received a lot of bad press in international media (BBC, Economist, FP etc.) mainly due to the fact that yet again, they have helped the party of their choice win the election and secondly, their brutal mistreatment of PTM and the people of FATA.

The timing of this so-called "budget cut" is an indication that they are finally cracking under pressure. Furthermore, it is pertinent to point out that the pension of the retired military officers is paid by the federal government. Why doesn't the military pay pension from their own budget?

Up until 1995, the pension of the military officers were paid from the military budget before someone came up with the trick of making the federal government bear the cost.

Unfortunately, we are a gullible nation that is very easy to fool. People are in awe of the so-called great favour by the military, but what they don't realise that unless and until the country is able to break free from their stranglehold, there is no possibility of achieving economic progression.

You obviously don't know Pakistan's history. Pakistan's GDP growth rates have always been much higher in dictatorships than in so called democracies. In Musharraf's era Pakistan was growing at 7% annually before he was ousted by the lawyer's movement and PPP came to power in 2008.

 

[shockbound]

Appreciable, but yet to see its actual implementation and result of such cuts.
Right now its only a news.

[/B]

You obviously don't know Pakistan's history. Pakistan's GDP growth rates have always been much higher in dictatorships than in so called democracies. In Musharraf's era Pakistan was growing at 7% annually before he was ousted by the lawyer's movement and PPP came to power in 2008.

True although division of that GDP wasnt smooth. Rich were getting richer while poor were going down.

 

[Heisenberg111]

Appreciable, but yet to see its actual implementation and result of such cuts.
Right now its only a news.



True although division of that GDP wasnt smooth. Rich were getting richer while poor were going down.

Inequality exists everywhere, one of "fruits" of capitalism. Still Pakistan has managed to reduce poverty by quite a bit,as mentioned in world bank reports.

 

[Napa]

[/B]

You obviously don't know Pakistan's history. Pakistan's GDP growth rates have always been much higher in dictatorships than in so called democracies. In Musharraf's era Pakistan was growing at 7% annually before he was ousted by the lawyer's movement and PPP came to power in 2008.

A delusional knowledge of Pakistan's history. Musharraf came to power October 1999 to August 2008. The actual growth rates during this time are:

2000: 4.26%
2001: 1.98%
2002: 3.22%
2003: 4.85%
2004: 7.37%
2005: 7.67%
2006: 6.18%
2007: 4.83%

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?locations=PK

This gives a compound growth rate of 5.03% and not 7% for the 8 years.

It is anyway fallacious to compare the growth rates for Pakistan's dictatorships and "democracies". During periods when democratic governments were in "power", the Pakistani Army kept a tight grip on foreign policy, especially its policy of continuing a low-level war with India. When Nawaz tried to make peace with India it ousted him by a coup. Whoever is in power, the Army casts a long shadow. Its domination of the country make it impossible for modern industries to develop.

To think that Pakistan made any sort of meaningful economic progress under dictatorships is delusional. It may have had a couple of years of high growth rates under Musharraf, but the starting point was low-tech industries (notably textiles) and the ending point was low-tech industries (notably textiles). What modern industries did the blessed dictators set up in Pakistan?

It took India 45 years of democratic rule after independence to give up on government control of the economy, and it was only in the early 1990s that the economy finally got going. To believe that Pakistan's democratic politicians have had any time and space in the few years of limited power they have been given to produce results is expecting the impossible.

No more replies to this thread unless I see something intelligent.

 

[Mamoon]

[/B]

You obviously don't know Pakistan's history. Pakistan's GDP growth rates have always been much higher in dictatorships than in so called democracies. In Musharraf's era Pakistan was growing at 7% annually before he was ousted by the lawyer's movement and PPP came to power in 2008.

I know Pakistan’s history which is why I understand that no institution has harmed the country more than the military. Throughout the course of our history, they have interfered in politics, business, and have designed our foreign policy to serve their self-interests.

The so-called superior performance of military dictatorship needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

Ayub, Zia and Musharraf all received immense support and financial aid from the U.S. because of their role in the Cold War and WOT respectively.

Thus, the military dictators were able to achieve rapid economic growth by doing the bidding of their masters in Pentagon, this growth has come at a massive cost, whose repercussions have been felt over the long-term.

Relying on financial aid from the U.S. for fighting their wars is not a long-term solution for achieving economic growth.

Pakistan needs to develop modern industries for long-term sustainability - we need to take a leaf out of India's book - they have been able to develop modern industries and their main exports today are auto, IT and pharma.

They have been able to achieve all of that without a single day under military dictatorship, and their politicians have been as corrupt as ours, if not more.

The problem for Pakistan is that the military has too much stake in the economy. Their pension is paid from the federal budget, they run businesses and retired military officials are able to occupy important posts in institutions like PCB, PIA, PTCL. WAPDA, PTV etc. without any genuine accountability.

 

[Mamoon]

A delusional knowledge of Pakistan's history. Musharraf came to power October 1999 to August 2008. The actual growth rates during this time are:

2000: 4.26%
2001: 1.98%
2002: 3.22%
2003: 4.85%
2004: 7.37%
2005: 7.67%
2006: 6.18%
2007: 4.83%

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?locations=PK

This gives a compound growth rate of 5.03% and not 7% for the 8 years.

It is anyway fallacious to compare the growth rates for Pakistan's dictatorships and "democracies". During periods when democratic governments were in "power", the Pakistani Army kept a tight grip on foreign policy, especially its policy of continuing a low-level war with India. When Nawaz tried to make peace with India it ousted him by a coup. Whoever is in power, the Army casts a long shadow. Its domination of the country make it impossible for modern industries to develop.

To think that Pakistan made any sort of meaningful economic progress under dictatorships is delusional. It may have had a couple of years of high growth rates under Musharraf, but the starting point was low-tech industries (notably textiles) and the ending point was low-tech industries (notably textiles). What modern industries did the blessed dictators set up in Pakistan?

It took India 45 years of democratic rule after independence to give up on government control of the economy, and it was only in the early 1990s that the economy finally got going. To believe that Pakistan's democratic politicians have had any time and space in the few years of limited power they have been given to produce results is expecting the impossible.

No more replies to this thread unless I see something intelligent.

In addition, achieving short-term rapid growth by getting bribed by the U.S. to fight their wars is not an optimal method for achieving economic progress. Whatever growth Pakistan has been able to witness under military rule has come at a massive cost.

 

[Loralai]

In addition, achieving short-term rapid growth by getting bribed by the U.S. to fight their wars is not an optimal method for achieving economic progress. Whatever growth Pakistan has been able to witness under military rule has come at a massive cost.

I was about to post this and have made this point elsewhere. The growth experienced during military years is purely driven by US funding. It has come at a serious cost. And then the long term problems of terrorist groups and fanatical groups spreading hate. It has cost us the core of Pakistan. But pleased to see people like yourself and [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] (and some others) understand what we have lost and how much needs to be done to rebuild Pakistan.

 

[Napa]

In addition, achieving short-term rapid growth by getting bribed by the U.S. to fight their wars is not an optimal method for achieving economic progress. Whatever growth Pakistan has been able to witness under military rule has come at a massive cost.

Quite right! Mere GDP growth for a couple of years thanks for US aid has little impact in the long run. The correct metric for judging the success of an economic policy is whether modern industries have developed.

Pakistan has very good human capital (professionals who are equal to those from India). If the Army sets the economy free, there is no reason why Pakistan should not develop the kind of modern industries that India has developed.

 

[Mamoon]

I was about to post this and have made this point elsewhere. The growth experienced during military years is purely driven by US funding. It has come at a serious cost. And then the long term problems of terrorist groups and fanatical groups spreading hate. It has cost us the core of Pakistan. But pleased to see people like yourself and [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] (and some others) understand what we have lost and how much needs to be done to rebuild Pakistan.

The public of Pakistan has been a victim of a mass propaganda. Unfortunately I don’t see a cure in sight which is why I have little hope for the future.

All these pro-Army Insafiyaans who are laboring under the delusion that Imran will take this country to new heights will get their answer in a few years.

 

[szrana007]

A big lol at people here saying that Pak Army is hampering economic growth of the country, why would they want to do that? Its their country. If the country grows rapidly, they will have higher defence budgets too, which is what they want anyway. No Army wants to cut their budget. The fact that in Pakistan its happening is a cause for concern. We need to fix our economy so that we can provide adequate funds to the Army for our defence needs. Pakistan lives in an hostile neighbourhood and has immense security challenges, so cutting down on defence budget is the last thing we need.

 

[Loralai]

A big lol at people here saying that Pak Army is hampering economic growth of the country, why would they want to do that? Its their country. If the country grows rapidly, they will have higher defence budgets too, which is what they want anyway. No Army wants to cut their budget. The fact that in Pakistan its happening is a cause for concern. We need to fix our economy so that we can provide adequate funds to the Army for our defence needs. Pakistan lives in an hostile neighbourhood and has immense security challenges, so cutting down on defence budget is the last thing we need.

Pakistan lives in a hostile environment because of the actions of the Army.

If Pakistan Army wanted, it could try to implement UNSC Resolution for Kashmir plesbicite by withdrawing Pak forces from the region. This would put a lot of pressure on India and improve our standing. But instead the Army prefers to sponsor groups like LeJ and JeM which have serious ramifications for people of Pakistan

If Pakistan Army wanted, it could stop interfering in geopolitics of Afghanistan which we saw for over 30 yrs as our domain and we sponsored extremist groups for our own purposes. These groups have come back to fight us with a vengeance but we are still trying to differentiate by keeping a distrinction between bad terrorists and useful terrorists.

THis is not to mention internal problems exacerbated by Army in places like Balochistan and FATA.

 

[szrana007]

Pakistan lives in a hostile environment because of the actions of the Army.

If Pakistan Army wanted, it could try to implement UNSC Resolution for Kashmir plesbicite by withdrawing Pak forces from the region. This would put a lot of pressure on India and improve our standing. But instead the Army prefers to sponsor groups like LeJ and JeM which have serious ramifications for people of Pakistan

If Pakistan Army wanted, it could stop interfering in geopolitics of Afghanistan which we saw for over 30 yrs as our domain and we sponsored extremist groups for our own purposes. These groups have come back to fight us with a vengeance but we are still trying to differentiate by keeping a distrinction between bad terrorists and useful terrorists.

THis is not to mention internal problems exacerbated by Army in places like Balochistan and FATA.

You are naive, if you think India will implement UNSC resolution, If Pak withdraws from AJK/GB. No country wants to loose its territory, be it from international pressure or not. Besides in India, we have an hardline establishment who has extremely hawkish views on Pakistan.

As for Afghanistan, it was hostile towards Pakistan from the beginning. It refused to accept Pakistan as an independent state in 1947. Daoud Khan sent an incursion in 1960-61 to capture Bajaur. Afghan irredentism and refusal to accept the Durand line was always a problem for Pakistan. For its own national security, Pakistan had to get involved in Afghanistan.

As for Balochistan, AFAIK, Balochistan insurgency started in Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's rule in the 70's. He started the military operation there.

 

[Pete Rose]

This has been a bad week for political opportunists and brain damaged lefties.

 

[Pete Rose]

All this talk of the Pakistani Army cutting its budget misses the point.

The Pakistani Army's budget of $10 billion a year is only a small part of the cost it imposes on the economy.

Pakistan's GDP was $300 billion in 2017. India's per cap PPP GDP is about 35% higher. If Pakistan was at the same level as India, it's GDP should have been about $400 billion.

Given that India has a huge number of tribals, Pakistan's per cap PPP GDP should actually be much higher than India's, and if it was functioning at the same level as similar parts of India, its GDP should have been around $500 billion.

So there is a shortfall of $200 billion a year, most notably due to its inability to develop the sort of modern industries that India has developed.

The reason Pakistan's economy fares so much worse that comparable parts of India is that its Army:

1) is responsible for creating insecurity in the country. It supports terrorism in Kashmir and India retaliates by supporting terrorism in Pakistan. The jihadi outfits nurtured by the Army/ISI also have a mind of their own, and threaten Westerners. Net result is that no FDI from the West and no development of modern industries. Daniel Pearl, Osama Bin Laden etc. are on the minds of Western leaders and investors.

2) imposes costs on the economy in other forms, notably retired military officers who are not qualified taking posts in the private sector, stopping the development of democracy by regularly interfering in elections etc.

The real cost of the Pakistani Army to Pakistan's economy is not the $10 billion a year budget, it is keeping the economy backward which costs over $200 billion a year.
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But what does it say for india and its priorities with its anemic GDP per capita compared to China (about 4 times more than india last i checked) - which probably the more apt comparison.
I find GDP comparisons between non-similar countries to make a political point, fairly idiotic.

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

wait, so we are supposed to admire someone who is below the govt not above for taking a cut?

this is more embarrassing for our so called democratic country. This is a joke of democracy.

The military has only shown who the real boss is. ANd pathetic by the joke of a leader who act take action but has to beg them.

Then again, when it comes to money he is good at begging. First begging country's now begging the COAS.

Pathetic.

We have one JOKE leader that has ruled Sindh for 10 years now and that JOKE off person is Belawal Bhutto Zardari shahiba.

 

[Mamoon]

According to Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), Pakistan’s defense budget had a 73% increase between 2009 and 2018.

In addition, the government had to pay for the several “Zarbs” as well. All the costs of Zarb-e-this and Zarb-e-that have been incurred because the failure of our military to prevent penetration of our international borders, which is ultimately their primary job.

So our military doesn’t pay pension from its budget and neither do they finance military operations against terrorists, so where is all the defense money going and what justified the 73% increase between 2009 and 2018?

Unfortunately, we are not allowed to ask these tough questions. If we do, we are traitors on the payroll of our enemies. We should all do bhangra and bow down to the military for their great service of sacrificing a budget increase this year.

 

[Napa]

But what does it say for india and its priorities with its anemic GDP per capita compared to China (about 4 times more than india last i checked) - which probably the more apt comparison.
I find GDP comparisons between non-similar countries to make a political point, fairly idiotic.

In a thread about the budget of the Pakistani Army I give an estimate of the potential of Pakistan's economy by comparing it with ethnically similar parts of India.

Instead, when the topic of discussion is the budget of the Pakistani Army, I should compare India to China?

Low quality replies like these are the reason I post less and less to this forum.

 

[Pete Rose]

In a thread about the budget of the Pakistani Army I give an estimate of the potential of Pakistan's economy by comparing it with ethnically similar parts of India.

Instead, when the topic of discussion is the budget of the Pakistani Army, I should compare India to China?

Low quality replies like these are the reason I post less and less to this forum.

No not really. You plucked a random figure and tried to find a political reason for it. The obvious flaw with your rather shallow understanding is that if India which does NOT do any of the things that Pakistan does to damage itself, why does it have a pauper’s GDP per capita especially when compared to a country that is its own size.
Are we to conclude that for Pakistan to improve its GDP per capita it should consider India a cautionary tale and look at counties like China for inspiration.
The truth is far more complicated than cherry picking pieces of data to confirm our biases.
I don’t think GDP per capita can be used to explain away Pakistan’s idiotic choices much as it can to explain India’s.
If that hurts, come up with a better answer next time.

 

[Waseem]

Did someone watch Modi's interview in which he admits that his visit to Lahore was to trick Pakistani people into thinking he was a good man and peace lover. This clown really takes himself far too seriously

After his philosophical thinking that cloud will help his planes hiding from radars, he thought he would go to Afghanistan and talk absolute garbage against Pakistan there but only next day his visit to Pakistan would fool Pakistanis into thinking the terrorist is a peace loving dove

The fool convinced no Pakistanis as we all know he remain extremist and his visit was to fool few idiots. Yes he could probably fool some Afghans who may live in Pakistan but believe every bit of Afgan/Indian propaganda and blame their own fauj for everything even supporting someone as venomous as Modi.

He might have fooled someone like brainless Nawaz but Imran Khan has since schooled him opening Kartarpur border, peace initiatives, freeing Abhinandan and continuously offering to resolve issues through peace talks.

 

[slipcatch]

I see, again.

The wrist slitter Pakistani and supporters of radicalized extremists hindu nationalists PM cherry picking the words, links, and statistics to display their ignorance, hypocrisy and justifying their support for a radicalized extremists nationalist Hindu PM.

LOL

 

[slipcatch]

In a thread about the budget of the Pakistani Army I give an estimate of the potential of Pakistan's economy by comparing it with ethnically similar parts of India.

Instead, when the topic of discussion is the budget of the Pakistani Army, I should compare India to China?

Low quality replies like these are the reason I post less and less to this forum.

LOL,

running away with your tail between your legs when exposed?

What an amazing debater you are.

LOL

 

[slipcatch]

Nawaz pretty well knows that peace with India is needed for Pakistan's economic development. The Kargil War was started by the Pakistani Army to foil him. The Army has a long record of taking actions that keep alive the hostilities with India.


Every child who hasn't learnt to walk understand this simple concept, just because you have typed it multiple times, does not make you unique or genius.

IK has done ZERO for peace other than talk. India is not interested in words, it wants real action. It regards IK as the Army's puppet and is not interested in talking to him when he cannot deliver real action. IK's recent statement about Kashmir shows that no progress will be made by engaging with him, so Modi is not interested in wasting his time talking to him.


LOL, typical reply from the supporter of radicalized extremists nationalists Hindu, IK has done more than to initiate peace, only a hindutva would deny it.

"Whole world" did nothing of the sort, stop being delusional.

You lost your planes, killed your own in a chopper, your own military coming out to say, we killed innocent trees. Stop being delusional.

But since your ego is small and you are insecure that would make "cloud in the sky" radicalized extremists nationlists hindu PM look bad then you have to keep repeating that lie.


Traditionally the two main sources of wealth for the Pakistani military have been squeezing the Pakistani economy and the West in return to being their ally in the region against the Soviets and in the WoT. With the end of the Cold War and the ISI's alliance with the Taliban, Western military aid is drying up.

That leaves the Pakistani economy. The Pakistani Army at this point has a dilemma. It can continue squeezing the Pakistani economy, but that also means the economy will remain underdeveloped. It cannot have both, it has to choose between continuing its dominance of the civilians or it can choose economic growth. Recent overtures to India for peace show that it realizes peace is needed for economic development. However, it really hasn't done anything tangible so peace won't happen and economic development won't happen.

The fact that you cherry pick and onl hell bent to make Pakistani military look bad while ignoring global reason shows your ignorant and expose your radicalized extremists view in support of your radicalized extremists hindu nationalist PM.
Even if you were to post any credible stats, it gets over shadowed with your perverted agenda, pathetic


Pakistan is your country not mine. If you can't figure out what is needed to make it progress then outsiders cannot help you even though they may make an effort to give a bit of advice. I have no interest in posting more to this thread, be well.

Aww, now you are getting emotional, like best friend, who always had crush on this boy friend, "I have the best interest for you, you need to break up with her, and be with me, lol

You aren't messiah, nor you have provided any solution, all you have stated cooked up state while ignoring global reasons of Pakistan's economy.

You aren't smart, nor you are presenting solid reasoning to support your immature claims.

Watching you run away with your tail between your leg, again

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Defence budget to remain unchanged

The original budgetary allocation for the outgoing fiscal year (2018-19) was Rs1.1 trillion. The allocation made up 21 per cent of last year’s original budget outlay and 3.2pc of gross domestic product (GDP).

The actual expenditure incurred on defence this year will, however, be announced by the finance ministry while laying the budget for next year (2019-20) before the National Assembly on June 11. The figure will, however, not give the complete picture of the defence budget as it will not include Rs260 billion for pension of retired soldiers, Rs45bn for security enhancement and undeclared allocations for major weapon procurements and strategic programme.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1486778/defence-budget-to-remain-unchanged

Rs 1.4 trillion on defence + ~Rs 2trillion on servicing the national debt and you’re not left with much from the Rs 5.5 trillion annual budget for all the other things like health, education, police, social care.

Surely this can’t be sustainable - not if you want to build your medinah welfare state that Imran Khan keeps on talking about.

 

[Syed1]

https://www.dawn.com/news/1486778/defence-budget-to-remain-unchanged

Rs 1.4 trillion on defence + ~Rs 2trillion on servicing the national debt and you’re not left with much from the Rs 5.5 trillion annual budget for all the other things like health, education, police, social care.

Surely this can’t be sustainable - not if you want to build your medinah welfare state that Imran Khan keeps on talking about.

Let us deal with it, it's not for India or Indians to be worried about.

 

[WebGuru]

https://www.dawn.com/news/1486778/defence-budget-to-remain-unchanged

Rs 1.4 trillion on defence + ~Rs 2trillion on servicing the national debt and you’re not left with much from the Rs 5.5 trillion annual budget for all the other things like health, education, police, social care.

Surely this can’t be sustainable - not if you want to build your medinah welfare state that Imran Khan keeps on talking about.

This year 2.8trillion will be spent on debt servicing. I wish IK could hang Zardari and Sharifs like a dictator.

 

[Adijazz1706]

https://www.dawn.com/news/1486778/defence-budget-to-remain-unchanged

Rs 1.4 trillion on defence + ~Rs 2trillion on servicing the national debt and you’re not left with much from the Rs 5.5 trillion annual budget for all the other things like health, education, police, social care.

Surely this can’t be sustainable - not if you want to build your medinah welfare state that Imran Khan keeps on talking about.

Debt servicing is killing the economy of Pakistan, it is double the defence budget