Pakistan cannot defeat WI in WI but fans expect Pakistan to give India a tough fight in India

[czar]

I'm not sure how it's possible. Everytime India dominates against a foreign team at home, there are claims from the Pakistani camp about how India is missing out on playing a real team like Pakistan which is the only team capable of giving India a tough fight at home.

Seriously though, this is a side that lost a Test to Windies at UAE and is finding it difficult to win a series in West Indies.

OTOH, India hasn't lost a Test to West Indies in over a decade and even a draw against them is considered a loss. Infact, WI cannot manage a draw against India if it's not due to rain.

Pakistan can be excused for getting whitewashed in NZ and Australia but a team that cannot win against a C grade Test Team like the West Indies doesn't stand a chance in India.

I think with the current form of Ashwin, Jaddu and Pujara, Kohli scoring doubles for fun, Pakistan should consider themselves fortunate for not playing in India and are not deserving enough to demand an invite to India.

 

[hafeezrocks]

Pakistan is a much better side than what's currently on display.

 

[Hawkeye]

We'll thrash India.

Our players just like to relax and take things easy when playing a low ranked team in Tests.

 

[aniket1911]

Pakistan is a much better side than what's currently on display.

Same argument can be extended to any other top test team.

In my opinion, while it is true that Pakistan will give tough fight to India in India but series result is foregone conclusion.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Same argument can be extended to any other top test team.

In my opinion, while it is true that Pakistan will give tough fight to India in India but series result is foregone conclusion.

Pakistani batsmen are competent players of spin. They are struggling against the Windies due to Gabriel (specially), Joseph and Holder exploiting the uneven bounce of the pitches at decent pace. Against India, its going to be a lot easier.

 

[santos11]

Pakistan team is the winner before any series happens and opposition are just afraid to play against them.

 

[szrana007]

India has rarely dominated Pakistan at home. Last series between the 2 teams in 2007, India was the much better team, but they still only won 1-0 and only defeated Pakistan at home after 27 years.

 

[Global Insight]

They can and they will

 

[czar]

India has rarely dominated Pakistan at home. Last series between the 2 teams in 2007, India was the much better team, but they still only won 1-0 and only defeated Pakistan at home after 27 years.

Pakistan escaped defeats in thay series last time due to Misbah specials.

Look at the result of all series' in the current century, India won in Pakistan and never lost in India.

And this Pakistan team is most weakest Pakistani team ever.

 

[aniket1911]

Pakistani batsmen are competent players of spin. They are struggling against the Windies due to Gabriel (specially), Joseph and Holder exploiting the uneven bounce of the pitches at decent pace. Against India, its going to be a lot easier.

Alright! it comes down to uneven bounce exploited by some C grade attack bowlers?

And that ofcourse Pakistan will easily negotiate Umesh and shami, who are bowling some fiercest spell lately, on pitches which are more prone to uneven bounce

I totally buy it.

 

[santos11]

They can and they will

Yes just like Pakistan is dominating against a C grade West Indies right now.

 

[troodon]

Pak can still win this series.

WI are a terrible team.

In fact a collapse is always on the cards when Pak bats. Holds true for WI too.

 

[MoJoJoJo]

Wdout YK and Misbah, it will be difficult for us to beat'em.. Cz we did not have replacement for these two at the moment but who knows..

 

[szrana007]

Pakistan escaped defeats in thay series last time due to Misbah specials.

Look at the result of all series' in the current century, India won in Pakistan and never lost in India.

And this Pakistan team is most weakest Pakistani team ever.

Yeah, India only leads 4-3 in terms of matches, that too in a period with the strongest Indian team and the weakest Pak team ever.

 

[JibranAnsari]

In 1999 we won 2 tests in india and lost 1 , next year we failed to win series in west indies. Yes we probably will lose against india but i think we can give them a good fight

 

[czar]

In 1999 we won 2 tests in india and lost 1 , next year we failed to win series in west indies. Yes we probably will lose against india but i think we can give them a good fight

India also lost a series to WI in 2002 and even in 1997 but never after that. This was a period after which WI became a hopeless team.

 

[szrana007]

In 1999 we won 2 tests in india and lost 1 , next year we failed to win series in west indies. Yes we probably will lose against india but i think we can give them a good fight

Only, beecause of Doug Cowie and Billy Doctrove.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Only, beecause of Doug Cowie and Billy Doctrove.

Whatever the reason was , we could not win.

 

[czar]

Yeah, India only leads 4-3 in terms of matches, that too in a period with the strongest Indian team and the weakest Pak team ever.

Pakistan team with Inzy, Yousuf and Younis was weakest ever?

What does that tell you about the current batting line up ? These Shafiqs and Babars and Shahzads and Sarfus will bat in India?

 

[Hasan123]

Pakistan would give India a good fight in India no doubt.

 

[Rafa]

Pakistan will lose but not as easily as NZ does.

 

[Snow]

India gave Pakistan good fight in Test matches in 99 Series, when Pakistan clearly had bigger names. I still think Pakistan is the one team that can win matches in India. That will not be case anymore when Younis will retire, he was reason Pakistan drew few matches in India. He was a beast in Indian conditions against qUALITY spin.

 

[zulfiqar]

India gave Pakistan good fight in Test matches in 99 Series, when Pakistan clearly had bigger names. I still think Pakistan is the one team that can win matches in India. That will not be case anymore when Younis will retire, he was reason Pakistan drew few matches in India. He was a beast in Indian conditions against qUALITY spin.

Though you are right about Younis, even replacements like Fawad Alam will do well in India most likely.

 

[geraltofrivia]

In 1999 we won 2 tests in india and lost 1 , next year we failed to win series in west indies. Yes we probably will lose against india but i think we can give them a good fight

That team had Chanderpaul, Ambrose, Walsh. It was a good team. West Indies were still good in the late 90s early 2000s just not like their 80s selves.

 

[JoniInsafian]

I'm not sure how it's possible. Everytime India dominates against a foreign team at home, there are claims from the Pakistani camp about how India is missing out on playing a real team like Pakistan which is the only team capable of giving India a tough fight at home.

Seriously though, this is a side that lost a Test to Windies at UAE and is finding it difficult to win a series in West Indies.

OTOH, India hasn't lost a Test to West Indies in over a decade and even a draw against them is considered a loss. Infact, WI cannot manage a draw against India if it's not due to rain.

Pakistan can be excused for getting whitewashed in NZ and Australia but a team that cannot win against a C grade Test Team like the West Indies doesn't stand a chance in India.

I think with the current form of Ashwin, Jaddu and Pujara, Kohli scoring doubles for fun, Pakistan should consider themselves fortunate for not playing in India and are not deserving enough to demand an invite to India.

Misbah and Younis are on their last legs... Most players are new.... Pakistan team of 2012-2013 would have whitewashed India in India.... Even 1-2 years ago we would have won the series...

Now it will likely be a draw...

 

[dildildalwalla]

Misbah and Younis are on their last legs... Most players are new.... Pakistan team of 2012-2013 would have whitewashed India in India.... Even 1-2 years ago we would have won the series...

Now it will likely be a draw...

This is a key point. We as fans wanted Pak v India when Pakistan were at their best, any time between 2011-2015/16 ish. This is a team with Misbah and YK leaving, Shafiq out of sorts and no Ajmal.

So it's good to put things into perspective.

 

[Square Drive]

Sarfraz's Pakistan will beat any team.

 

[big_gamer007]

India vs Pakistan brings out the best or worst of both set of teams, the pressure is too much and it's always a hard fought series, it won't be any different now it will be a close series.. On paper India should win but cricket is not played on paper..

 

[shaz619]

Well, Pakistan were at their peak between 2012- early 2016 period; that team would have annihilated India; now Pakistan are over the hill and the era of Misbah's Pakistan is about to end, but still the current side would DESTROY India

 

[ahsan17]

As with many other sports, cricket is a lot about matchups. Teams perform better against certain opposition that are ranked higher than other opposition. This is not just in cricket, pick up most sports and you will notice that. In sports, because A > B and B > C, doesn't imply A > C.

Pakistan traditionally has been only able to draw tests in WI. Look at the 2005 tour, Younis, Yousuf, Inzi, etc yet they could only draw it 1-1 despite WI being ranked 8 or something at the time. Yet the same team drew in India just couple months earlier, a team that was probably as hard to beat or draw at home as it is now. Pakistan drew in the 2011 series against WI as well. It doesn't mean they will not play well in India.

 

[PakLFC]

Pak can only win at home or the UAE. Tells how poor a team we are when we can't even defeat a second rate West Indies side.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Even if we play India, the Indian govt will probably buy out the series and make a deal with ICC and umpires so that there is no chance Pakistan wins it even if there is a contest.

We all know how BCCI works guys [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] can chime in as well on the matter.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Pakistani test team is in decline now after it peaked in English tour. It is very similar to Indian team declining in the twilight years of Fab 4.

Current Indian team will beat Pakistan simply because most of the Indian players are in their peak years. However, two years ago Pakistan would have beaten India in a test series.

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

Our delusion is incredible. We are a rubbish team who can't win anywhere except UAE and yet we have the nerve to question India's overseas record. India OWNED this same WI team that Pak are struggling against. Pakistan would get whitewashed in India.

 

[super hitter]

I'm not sure how it's possible. Everytime India dominates against a foreign team at home, there are claims from the Pakistani camp about how India is missing out on playing a real team like Pakistan which is the only team capable of giving India a tough fight at home.

Seriously though, this is a side that lost a Test to Windies at UAE and is finding it difficult to win a series in West Indies.

OTOH, India hasn't lost a Test to West Indies in over a decade and even a draw against them is considered a loss. Infact, WI cannot manage a draw against India if it's not due to rain.

Pakistan can be excused for getting whitewashed in NZ and Australia but a team that cannot win against a C grade Test Team like the West Indies doesn't stand a chance in India.

I think with the current form of Ashwin, Jaddu and Pujara, Kohli scoring doubles for fun, Pakistan should consider themselves fortunate for not playing in India and are not deserving enough to demand an invite to India.

One out of form Shoiab Malik is enough to dump India in India

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

One out of form Shoiab Malik is enough to dump India in India

I am expecting a clutch knock by the Damad-e-Hind as per usual. Shabby really comes into his own when playing against the In-Laws

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Well, Pakistan were at their peak between 2012- early 2016 period; that team would have annihilated India; now Pakistan are over the hill and the era of Misbah's Pakistan is about to end, but still the current side would DESTROY India

Actually Pakistan were at their peak between 2015-2016. Between 2012-2014, Pakistan lost two series in Lanka, drew home series against Lanka,NZ,SA. Drew a series in Zimbabwe and got whitewashed in SA. Your only series win was against OZ in UAE.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Our delusion is incredible. We are a rubbish team who can't win anywhere except UAE and yet we have the nerve to question India's overseas record. India OWNED this same WI team that Pak are struggling against. Pakistan would get whitewashed in India.

Well India has also not won anywhere other than India and WI. Lost in Aus, Eng, and NZ.

Both teams won in SL.

 

[AlizeeFan]

Well India has also not won anywhere other than India and WI. Lost in Aus, Eng, and NZ.

Both teams won in SL.

India didn't lose all matches in SA, Aus and NZ. There is big difference in performances of both teams.

 

[QalandarFan]

All I'm saying is Pakistan is probably the only team right now that can give India a fight. They won't be troubled as much as the foreign teams are by spin so they have the best chance of beating India.

We never know as the two teams haven't played a test series since 2007! That is absolutely ridiculous imo and I am just dying to watch an India-Pakistan Test Series, I have never actually seen one live. In a way I guess it is a positive because the next time the two teams do play a test series it will be extremely fresh.

 

[czar]

All I'm saying is Pakistan is probably the only team right now that can give India a fight. They won't be troubled as much as the foreign teams are by spin so they have the best chance of beating India.

We never know as the two teams haven't played a test series since 2007! That is absolutely ridiculous imo and I am just dying to watch an India-Pakistan Test Series, I have never actually seen one live. In a way I guess it is a positive because the next time the two teams do play a test series it will be extremely fresh.

Yes you can keep claiming that as long as the Series doesn't happen.

 

[The_Odd_One]

India didn't lose all matches in SA, Aus and NZ. There is big difference in performances of both teams.

Nobody will remember how many matches India drew in those countries. India was comprehensively beaten in all of those series. The end result matters the most.

 

[Napa]

Nobody will remember how many matches India drew in those countries. India was comprehensively beaten in all of those series. The end result matters the most.

People remember whitewashes quite differently from non-whitewashes. Most knowledgeable cricket fans remember WI whitewashed England in England in the early 1980s. Barely anyone remembers the results of other series around the same time.

 

[santos11]

Pakistan can't even defeat NZ, SL, SA in UAE.

Can't defeat Zimbabwe in Zimbabwe and West Indies in West Indies.

But will give India a tough fight in India. OK.

 

[Napa]

Nobody will remember how many matches India drew in those countries. India was comprehensively beaten in all of those series. The end result matters the most.

People remember whitewashes quite differently from non-whitewashes. Most knowledgeable cricket fans remember WI whitewashed England in England in the early 1980s. Barely anyone remembers the results of other series around the same time.

People will remember the recent 2-1 Ind-Aus series quite differently than they would if it had been 4-0.

 

[The_Odd_One]

People remember whitewashes quite differently from non-whitewashes. Most knowledgeable cricket fans remember WI whitewashed England in England in the early 1980s. Barely anyone remembers the results of other series around the same time.

I agree. None will forget 0-8 in Australia and England.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Pakistan can't even defeat NZ, SL, SA in UAE.

Can't defeat Zimbabwe in Zimbabwe and West Indies in West Indies.

But will give India a tough fight in India. OK.

Yes because you need proper spinners to win anything in India which Pakistan has so it is not ridiculous to say that Pakistan will give India a tough series in India.

This said, India will win the series due to younger and superior batting line up.

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

Nobody will remember how many matches India drew in those countries. India was comprehensively beaten in all of those series. The end result matters the most.

That's just silly. India lost 1-0 in NZ and SA but they were extremely close series which could have gone either way. Pak got whitewashed 3-0 and 2-0. It affects both rankings as well as how the teams are percieved. In rankings individual test are counted, not just series results.

Also, in UAE, Pak have lost tests to SL, WI, NZ, SA in last few years. This current Indian team has only lost 1 test and that too on a lottery minefield.

 

[The_Odd_One]

That's just silly. India lost 1-0 in NZ and SA but they were extremely close series which could have gone either way. Pak got whitewashed 3-0 and 2-0. It affects both rankings as well as how the teams are percieved. In rankings individual test are counted, not just series results.

Also, in UAE, Pak have lost tests to SL, WI, NZ, SA in last few years. This current Indian team has only lost 1 test and that too on a lottery minefield.

Can you tell me who was ranked #4 or 5 4 years ago?

I hope you get the point.

 

[The_Odd_One]

That's just silly. India lost 1-0 in NZ and SA but they were extremely close series which could have gone either way. Pak got whitewashed 3-0 and 2-0. It affects both rankings as well as how the teams are percieved. In rankings individual test are counted, not just series results.

Also, in UAE, Pak have lost tests to SL, WI, NZ, SA in last few years. This current Indian team has only lost 1 test and that too on a lottery minefield.

Can't compare NZ and SA teams which Pakistan faced in the UAE with ones India faced in India.

Pitches then are a separate issue.

 

[AlizeeFan]

Can't compare NZ and SA teams which Pakistan faced in the UAE with ones India faced in India.

Pitches then are a separate issue.

Same strength team faced India in 2012 and lost both matches. One by inning. Pakistan lost a match by inning in UAE. Same way Pakistan lost 2-0 to weaker NZ in NZ.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Same strength team faced India in 2012 and lost both matches. One by inning. Pakistan lost a match by inning in UAE. Same way Pakistan lost 2-0 to weaker NZ in NZ.

India had an ATG team in 2012, fresh from a WC win.

 

[IamIndian]

Yeah, India only leads 4-3 in terms of matches, that too in a period with the strongest Indian team and the weakest Pak team ever.

Luckly for Pakistan they never played India in a full series when Indian team was strongest and Pak team weakest. Pakistan's records of one day wins and test series wins were when Pakistan were better team and India had a very weak team.

 

[boomboomcheema]

Why doesn't BCCI organize a series against Pakistan if they will be rolled over so easily by the Indian team?

 

[big_gamer007]

Why doesn't BCCI organize a series against Pakistan if they will be rolled over so easily by the Indian team?

Government, public sentiment etc not in BCCI's hand at the moment.. Doubt anyone in BCCI wants to see 1 week of debates on Arnab's channel saying Pakistan kills our soldiers why are we playing cricket with them.. IMO Right now the time is not right for a series..

 

[princeuk]

What a wasted opportunity to beat West indies in West indies, they can't even beat their second string team.

Pakistan don't deserve to win.

 

[czar]

What a wasted opportunity to beat West indies in West indies, they can't even beat their second string team.

Pakistan don't deserve to win.

Agree, that's what I was saying. Not winning against West Indies of all teams is absolutely falling to lowest standards. The tour to West Indies is used by BCCI as more of a practise tour while the same team is giving it tough to Pakistan.

As it is West Indies is weak beyond limits, further Bravo and Samuel's aren't playing and yet the Pakistan team is struggling. On the top of that having the audacity to demand series against India and claiming to be the " Only team " who can fight it out in India as if they are some world beaters.

 

[Ilan Bluestone]

Not that I think we beat India, but Pakistan is an odd team. Simply plays up and down to the competition.

Obviously the 7/8 tests without a win are a big issue, but they are too wayward to really pin down.

 

[hafeezrocks]

Shocked to know that playing Cricket against Pakistan has become a National issue in India and Political parties in power are afraid to resume Cricket ties due to fear of losing votes.

 

[big_gamer007]

Shocked to know that playing Cricket against Pakistan has become a National issue in India and Political parties in power are afraid to resume Cricket ties due to fear of losing votes.

Cricket is the most visible thing no one knows of the trade with Pakistan or most favoured nation (whatever that means) but cricket is most visible thing.. Resuming ties at this moment would make the government look weak.. I believe my earlier post explaining it got deleted for some reason but in summary right now it's not a good time to resume ties from governments perspective..

 

[moghul]

Let's talk purely on cricketing bases, forget about being Pakistani or Indians for a moment.

It's true, this Pakistani team is performing much worse than BD or even Zimbabwe would have performed against this very weak and inexperienced WI team, India on current form would have won 3-0, weather permitted.

The weakest link is the presence of a very very defensive and old captain. Things will get better offer he is gone.

 

[czar]

Let's talk purely on cricketing bases, forget about being Pakistani or Indians for a moment.

It's true, this Pakistani team is performing much worse than BD or even Zimbabwe would have performed against this very weak and inexperienced WI team, India on current form would have won 3-0, weather permitted.

The weakest link is the presence of a very very defensive and old captain. Things will get better offer he is gone.

Truer words have never been spoken.

Good to some some fans acknowledging facts.

 

[Princejain191]

Pakistani batsmen are competent players of spin. They are struggling against the Windies due to Gabriel (specially), Joseph and Holder exploiting the uneven bounce of the pitches at decent pace. Against India, its going to be a lot easier.

India now has top-class fast bowlers, for the subcontinent pitches at-least, and anybody who watched the Indian home season would tell you that. Out-bowled NZ, England and even Aus pacers at home. If Pakistan is struggling against the WI ones (who are mediocre at best), Indian fast bowlers will eat them alive.

 

[Princejain191]

In 1999 we won 2 tests in india and lost 1 , next year we failed to win series in west indies. Yes we probably will lose against india but i think we can give them a good fight

Indian test cricket was at its lowest point in 1999, also Pakistan had a decent team and India a mediocre one. This indian team is much better than the 1999 one and the Pak one weaker, would be a no-contest.

 

[szrana007]

Indian test cricket was at its lowest point in 1999, also Pakistan had a decent team and India a mediocre one. This indian team is much better than the 1999 one and the Pak one weaker, would be a no-contest.

Lol, India was unbeatable in the 90's at home.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

We are a much superior test team ATM. Only some delusional posters think that Pakistan will beat India anywhere. We have done better than Pakistan everywhere except England. Not to mention we have been much more dominant at home. No comparison at all.

 

[geraltofrivia]

All this chest thumping will come to a crescendo till the 4th after which it will dissipate after the annual beatdown.

 

[ocfan]

fail thread.

 

[JaDed]

Spoke too soon!

 

[Hasan123]

You were saying?

 

[Pollack]

Excellent thread.Pakistan just got saved by Gabriel. It huffed and puffed to a win.

 

[Snak3eye5]

Pakistan can use this as additional motivation and belief that they can win Ct

 

[Bilal7]

Pakistan would have easily beaten India had a series taken place over the last five years. Now that Misbah and Younis are gone, India are probably better, but I still expect a close contest seeing how we have Shah, Amir and Azhar in our side.