Pakistan comprehensively demolish England to reach 2017 Champions Trophy final

[introvert]

Most dominant win by pak in 2017 CT IMO. I remember Pak bowlers were so mean that day England just didn't know what hit them.

 

[Usman Chadda]

This win basically confirmed India's doom in the final. No way was Pakistan going to lose to anyone after such a comprehensive thrashing of the favourites

 

[Hasan123]

The day that glory was in sight and almost guaranteed.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OnThisDay?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OnThisDay</a> in 2017. Pakistan comfortably beat England by 8 wickets at Cardiff in a Champions Trophy semi-final. A fine all-round display saw Hassan Ali take 3 wickets with Junaid Khan & Rumman Raees 2 wickets each. Azhar Ali made 76 and Fakhar Zaman 57 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/qxFM5nNbVo">pic.twitter.com/qxFM5nNbVo</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1272071520848838656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2020</a></blockquote>
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[Saj]

A proper team performance.

Excellent with the ball, good in the field and professional with the bat.

Job done.

 

[Saj]

Interestingly all 3 seamers who featured in this match, are nowhere to be seen these days in international cricket.

 

[azimiqbal]

Pakistan cricket at its worst one minute winning trophy’s , next minute out of the team..............

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Pakistan cricket at its worst one minute winning trophy’s , next minute out of the team..............

To be honest, the one minute down next minute up nature, it's what a lot of fans love about the team. The drama, the scandals, the headlines and the controversial statements, the brightest talents having their careers destroyed, geriatric players playing 2 decades, and 16 year olds making their test debuts.

There's so many stories in pak cricket that are well worth making movies on the way Bollywood does, if only we had a film industry to support it.

I only wish, sometimes, that the circus wasn't so entertaining. Maybe we could actually get ourselves back on track.

 

[Mamoon]

It was a good performance, but England were undone by a very poor pitch that appeared to be curated by a sugarcane farmer.

It was clearly designed by the ICC to ensure a blockbuster India vs Pakistan final. England would have comfortably beaten Pakistan on a regular pitch.

The ICC tried to pull off similar stunts in the World Cup last year before England had enough and publicly criticized the poor wickets.

It is funny how ICC’s “neutral pitch” obsession was nowhere to be found when both Australia and India got favorable pitches in their home World Cups. Looks like it was only a crime for England.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

It was a good performance, but England were undone by a very poor pitch that appeared to be curated by a sugarcane farmer.

It was clearly designed by the ICC to ensure a blockbuster India vs Pakistan final. England would have comfortably beaten Pakistan on a regular pitch.

The ICC tried to pull off similar stunts in the World Cup last year before England had enough and publicly criticized the poor wickets.

It is funny how ICC’s “neutral pitch” obsession was nowhere to be found when both Australia and India got favorable pitches in their home World Cups. Looks like it was only a crime for England.

I'm sorry but this is just wrong. There was no neutral pitch obsession anytime . Australian and Indian pitches for the respective World Cups were standard pitches with only 1 or 2 rogue ones. England have been preparing fast pitches with minimal seam movement over the last 5 years but due to inclement weather , the curators could not prepare similar pitches during the early part of the world cup. The pitches were not as quick and slowed down considerably in the 2nd innings so the English strategy of chasing failed spectacularly.

Even Morgan admitted that the weather was to blame and that the curators were not at fault. England are terrible on pitches that lack pace . Once the weather cleared up they prepared a belter, kept a short boundary to neutralise Indian spinners and batted first and beat India.

 

[Square Drive]

Wow what a day. Such good times.

 

[The cricket enthusiast]

is there any site where i can watch ball by ball of CT matches?

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Boy o boy, Pakistan are irresistable on the days when they turn up. We can literally bomb down the best in the business. I would take the mercurial - always fluctuating - sometimes great and sometimes downright bad Pakistan over consistent - nothing special other teams for sure. Just makes our cricket so much watchable and pleasurable.

I know some folks will jump on me but we're the only team in cricket which can achieve results like the match in this thread. All the other teams usually follow their templates and go down. Just gives us that extra edge and helps us win these tournaments.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

It was a good performance, but England were undone by a very poor pitch that appeared to be curated by a sugarcane farmer.

It was clearly designed by the ICC to ensure a blockbuster India vs Pakistan final. England would have comfortably beaten Pakistan on a regular pitch.

The ICC tried to pull off similar stunts in the World Cup last year before England had enough and publicly criticized the poor wickets.

It is funny how ICC’s “neutral pitch” obsession was nowhere to be found when both Australia and India got favorable pitches in their home World Cups. Looks like it was only a crime for England.

I get what you're saying but also consider the venues and pitches used for the entire tournament. Only Cardiff, Edgbaston and the Oval hosted the matches and the semi final was played on a used surface. Anyway, if England are so good, why did they lose to our 'mediocre' team? They should have won against us regardless of the pitch - be it in Lahore, Dubai or Moon - let alone Wales.

 

[Mueez]

What a day it was! Such good memories.

Wish I could go back to those CT days.

 

[Mamoon]

I get what you're saying but also consider the venues and pitches used for the entire tournament. Only Cardiff, Edgbaston and the Oval hosted the matches and the semi final was played on a used surface. Anyway, if England are so good, why did they lose to our 'mediocre' team? They should have won against us regardless of the pitch - be it in Lahore, Dubai or Moon - let alone Wales.

England should still have won but the sluggish nature of the pitch reduced the gap between the two sides.

 

[Mamoon]

I'm sorry but this is just wrong. There was no neutral pitch obsession anytime . Australian and Indian pitches for the respective World Cups were standard pitches with only 1 or 2 rogue ones. England have been preparing fast pitches with minimal seam movement over the last 5 years but due to inclement weather , the curators could not prepare similar pitches during the early part of the world cup. The pitches were not as quick and slowed down considerably in the 2nd innings so the English strategy of chasing failed spectacularly.

Even Morgan admitted that the weather was to blame and that the curators were not at fault. England are terrible on pitches that lack pace . Once the weather cleared up they prepared a belter, kept a short boundary to neutralise Indian spinners and batted first and beat India.

That’s the point. Australia and India got standard/routine wickets in their home World Cups but that was not the case for England in their home World Cup until they decided to publicly moan about the pitches which put ICC under pressure.

The 2011 World Cup Indian team was an aging side that was the best in subcontinent conditions but would not have won the World Cup elsewhere.

They got standard Indian pitches where they are able to succeed with just one quality fast bowler (Zaheer) and were able to utilize a part-timer like Yuvraj as a specialist spinner.

In 2015, Australia had the perfect team for Australian pitches and the one and only time they stepped out of their comfort-zone, they were dismissed for 151 in Auckland and lost 9 wickets for 26 runs.

However, England were not extended the same privilege. The pitch for the Sri Lanka match in particular was a complete joke.

England are not terrible on slow pitches. Too much is made out of their so-called failures on slow wickets because of how explosive and brutal they are on flat and bouncy pitches.

Apart from India, every single side in the world would lose to England in an ODI series on slow pitches. One-off games don’t mean much.

 

[HitWicket]

Once the weather cleared up they prepared a belter, kept a short boundary to neutralise Indian spinners and batted first and beat India.

I'll repeat again, the boundary was as far out as it could be without using the pitch designated for the semi-final.

 

[NishanKonar]

I'll repeat again, the boundary was as far out as it could be without using the pitch designated for the semi-final.

there was full 10 days between the England India game & semi final. Enough time gap to use the same pitch for both games. It hardly takes 4-5 days to repair a used pitch & get it back to its original self

That short boundary indefensible

 

[HitWicket]

there was full 10 days between the England India game & semi final. Enough time gap to use the same pitch for both games. It hardly takes 4-5 days to repair a used pitch & get it back to its original self

That short boundary indefensible

No pitch is getting back to its original state in 10 days and you don't want to run any risks with a world cup knockout pitch. When you've got 3 perfectly good international pitches to use for 5 matches at the ground clearly you're going to use the most central one for the semi-final solely and the other 2 for the other 4 games.

 

[TeymurBlake]

Good this was a great performance from Pakistan. Good opening partnership from Azhar and Fakhar but the fielding and bowling were superb. The team performed in all cylinders.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

England should still have won but the sluggish nature of the pitch reduced the gap between the two sides.

One obvious conclusion is that either the pitch perhaps or the gravity of the occasion reduced the gap between the sides.

Given that Pakistan defeated England in a high scoring contest in WC 2019 as well suggests that latter makes more sense. 1992 WC Final, 2017 CT Semis, 2019 WC Group game..

Numerous examples support my argument - Pakistan is a better side than most under crunch situations.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Apart from India, every single side in the world would lose to England in an ODI series on slow pitches. One-off games don’t mean much.

Believe me you sir, even Indians would trade all their bilateral glories to win those elusive one off games... they're far more valuable.

 

[Kaka4pope]

Easily the most vaunted version of the CT? it was hyped given the powerful England side were at home, ahead of a home World Cup. If anything I reckon the powers wanted an England/India final, Pakistan spoiling the party.

 

[Forum363]

It was a good performance, but England were undone by a very poor pitch that appeared to be curated by a sugarcane farmer.

It was clearly designed by the ICC to ensure a blockbuster India vs Pakistan final. England would have comfortably beaten Pakistan on a regular pitch.

The ICC tried to pull off similar stunts in the World Cup last year before England had enough and publicly criticized the poor wickets.

It is funny how ICC’s “neutral pitch” obsession was nowhere to be found when both Australia and India got favorable pitches in their home World Cups. Looks like it was only a crime for England.

The theory that ICC rigged a pitch to ensure Pakistan get to the final over a Big 3 nation (who is also the host) is laughable.

Conspiracy theory at its finest.

 

[Markhor]

England should still have won but the sluggish nature of the pitch reduced the gap between the two sides.

Sluggish pitches didn't help Pakistan as it lost 7 out of 8 ODIs in 2012 and 2015 to England in UAE. Leave the conspiracies to Zaid Hamid.

 

[Swashbuckler]

You guys are going to bump the CT final thread next, painful memories

 

[Mamoon]

One obvious conclusion is that either the pitch perhaps or the gravity of the occasion reduced the gap between the sides.

Given that Pakistan defeated England in a high scoring contest in WC 2019 as well suggests that latter makes more sense. 1992 WC Final, 2017 CT Semis, 2019 WC Group game..

Numerous examples support my argument - Pakistan is a better side than most under crunch situations.

Is that why we have won only one World Cup since 1975 in spite of having the talent to win 3-4 World Cups?

This current Pakistan side is pathetic both under pressure and without pressure.

 

[Mamoon]

Sluggish pitches didn't help Pakistan as it lost 7 out of 8 ODIs in 2012 and 2015 to England in UAE. Leave the conspiracies to Zaid Hamid.

It was a one-off match. Over the course of a series, England would still beat Pakistan on such wickets.

For e.g., we beat England in the first ODI in the 2015 series but once England got the hang of the conditions, they thumped us 4-1.

 

[Mamoon]

The theory that ICC rigged a pitch to ensure Pakistan get to the final over a Big 3 nation (who is also the host) is laughable.

Conspiracy theory at its finest.

It is about money. Although the gap between the two sides is day and night, Pakistan vs India still attracts more eyeballs than any other match because of the respective populations of the two countries.

That is why Pakistan and India are always in the same group in most tournaments.

The 2011 World Cup quarterfinals provided us with another example of ICC screwing over two teams (Australia and WI) to ensure a Pakistan-India semifinal.

Both quarterfinals were played on slow pitches that ensured that there was no possibility of either of the two sides slipping up.

Pakistan were big favorites anyway, but the sluggish wicket ensured that WI lost whatever chance they had of achieving a shock win.

If there is a possibility of an India vs Pakistan match in a tournament, the ICC moves from pillar to post to make it happen.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

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Is that why we have won only one World Cup since 1975 in spite of having the talent to win 3-4 World Cups?

This current Pakistan side is pathetic both under pressure and without pressure.

We have wood over England when it comes to crunch games. Do you agree with that or not?

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

It was a one-off match. Over the course of a series, England would still beat Pakistan on such wickets

It is not a series. That is the point. It is a freaking tournament. Many sides would want to win such one-off matches over numerous useless bilateral series. Ask your favorite Kohli and he will say the same thing.

 

[Mamoon]

We have wood over England when it comes to crunch games. Do you agree with that or not?

No.

 

[MMHS]

I think, PAK won that game because as a team they played exceptionally well - raised their game to a different level from the first game against India which saw winning back to back 4 must win games.

Everything went as per plot for PAK that day - win toss, put Poms into bat on a 9am start game and got an early wicket. Then, this was one of very few games under Sarfraz I saw where, bowling first PAK actually tried to take wickets instead of allowing the game to drift away - result was middle order collapse for England which saw losing like 4-5 wickets between overs 15-38, any team would struggle to put a challenging target after that. Pacers bowled exceptionally well, even without Amir and most importantly, catches were taken. This was one game PAK’s fielding was better than their opponents - 9 (or 8?) wickets went down via fielders & I can’t recall any lapses; something rare for PCT. Once Poms were down for a below per total, they are the most vulnerable side to defend it for their recent ODI philosophy of out batting any opponents.

Finally, there could have been a drama at any chase by PAK, but that day the target suited perfectly for Azhar Ali’s game - he made sure that there was no panic and collapse against new ball, while MoHa is a master of soft runs - the game was made safe by openers, he pounced on to disheartened English team under scorching sun on a perfect batting strip, to finish is early.

I think, more than the final, PCT actually played their best game in that SF; a near perfect game. In a given day, if all 11 or most players of a team perform to their best ability, it’s really difficult to counter that combined effect - every PAK player in that game will get an 8 or better rating (bar Malik, who wasn’t required at all). Cardiff wicket did suit PAK, but the margin of defeat was too wide to bring it into any equations. It doesn’t happen by chance that one team blows away one of world’s top teams in SF of an ICC event inside 38 overs by eight wickets.... & then does better in the following final few days later to another top team. PAK simply was unstoppable in that week - England & India were unfortunate to be in line of firing.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

No.

After 1979, England managed to win only once against Pakistan in 2003 (thanks to steaming James Anderson under lights). So stats definitely disagree with you.

 

[Mamoon]

After 1979, England managed to win only once against Pakistan in 2003 (thanks to steaming James Anderson under lights). So stats definitely disagree with you.

England were a poor ODI side till 2015 so past results don’t matter, and we did beat them in the last two tournaments but two matches is not enough sample.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

England were a poor ODI side till 2015 so past results don’t matter, and we did beat them in the last two tournaments but two matches is not enough sample.

So a bilateral series which we used as a preparation and lost 4-1 matters but not the 2 matches we've been preparing for?

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

England were a poor ODI side till 2015 so past results don’t matter, and we did beat them in the last two tournaments but two matches is not enough sample.

I get it - you are not satisfied with the affairs at PCB and the inconsistency that plagues our cricket - but is it so hard to give credit where it's due?

 

[Mamoon]

So a bilateral series which we used as a preparation and lost 4-1 matters but not the 2 matches we've been preparing for?

It is not about what matters and what does not. My point is that two matches is not enough sample for us to conclude that we have the wood over England in crunch matches.

 

[Mamoon]

I get it - you are not satisfied with the affairs at PCB and the inconsistency that plagues our cricket - but is it so hard to give credit where it's due?

What credit? We are a mediocre mid-table team. When was the last time we were in the top 2 in ODIs? 14 years ago.

I don’t do bhangra over losing 18 out of 25 matches before the World Cup and then achieving a shock win over the eventual world champions.

 

[Hasan123]

I just knew we would beat England in this game. The momentum was with us and we seem to play well in England.

Mamoon with usual defence of England is a joke. The point of a tournament is to win when everything isn't in your favour and in difficult situations. England struggled with the conditions and pressure of the game. Pakistan had plans and executed them well.

Can't believe [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is still complaining about this game after 3 years.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OnThisDay?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OnThisDay</a> in 2017. A brilliant all-round performance by Pakistan saw them beat England by 8 wickets in Cardiff & reach the final of the Champions Trophy. 3 wickets for Hassan Ali, 2 each for Junaid Khan and Rumman Raees & half-centuries by Azhar Ali and Fakhar Zaman <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/Vhj1sAmp0s">pic.twitter.com/Vhj1sAmp0s</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1404351285890105351?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2021</a></blockquote>
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[Rana]

This and the 2019 wc win are two of the biggest humiliations we have served to England. Ben Stokes zero boundaries in the entire game )