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I have finally worked out that it's not worth following the Pakistani Cricket team. Not only are they one of the most talentless cricket nations in the world but they are also a bunch of timid cats who love to play in their own comfort zones.

I can't fault the efforts of our current fast bowlers too much. But some of our big name batsmen are sat in their own comfort zone for far too long. They do the bare minimum to keep their spots in the team and too often their scores do not win matches for their side.

Pakistan Cricket is the poster boy of medicrioty. They do not have the willingness or the skill to compete against the top teams. Full Stop.
 
The intensity by Pakistan seems to be missing a lot. Along with intent.
It's the whole PCB setup from top to bottom. There is lot of chumminess in the name of hospitality.

A video by PCB of Riz etc laughing about Smith's way of leaving balls is perfect example. Do not think Eng/SA/Ind/NZ or even BD will do such kind of things in the middle of a Test Match.
Yes, you play nice on the field and don't over do the aggression thing, but don't be like a fan boy all the time.

I think Pakistan need some hard nosed Border like personality, either as a coach or as a captain to get to top in Test Cricket, as it is a grinding game for hard nosed and bloody minded people, who force their will on a Test Match. In the current Pakistan team, only Babar has that capacity and Shaheen has that potential against top tier teams, but Shaheen also acts a lot chummy around the Australians.

It seems they are just in awe of Aussies visiting and doing some ehsaan to play them.

Now, Pakistan may still win the test match from here on, but I really think they need to change their DNA when playing Australians.

Cummins was hit for 4 by Sajid, next ball was a bouncer and few words.
 
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Pakistan need to look beyond Imam, Fakhar and Azhar. They are simply not good enough.
 
Babar, Rizwan, Saheen are as talented as they come. I can safely say that we have some electric players who can crush opposition on any given day. Our issue is our attitude. Too nice and trying to prove we're cool all the time. Just go back to basics and always think about winning the games instead of photo op..
 
Forward Defensive Push said:
Babar, Rizwan, Saheen are as talented as they come. I can safely say that we have some electric players who can crush opposition on any given day. Our issue is our attitude. Too nice and trying to prove we're cool all the time. Just go back to basics and always think about winning the games instead of photo op..
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As much as I like Rizwan, he is too cringe and over the top with his friendly antics. Him hugging and apologising Australian short leg fielders everytime he sweeps the ball close to them, is annoying and over the top.
 
Modern Pakistani cricketers are definitely softer than previous generations of Pakistani cricketers.

But, then again, cricket in general has become soft.
 
Check out the PCB's youtube channel and you will see the whole team celebrating Azhar Ali's 7000 test runs last night like it helped us win the test match. Even after losing 4 for none, even after conceding a lead of 120+, even after a pathetic display of cricket our players don't seem to be content or feel any sort of shame

This obsession with mediocrity and personal milestones is what is keeping us from evolving as a cricketing nation.
 
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Modern Pakistani cricketers are definitely softer than previous generations of Pakistani cricketers.

But, then again, cricket in general has become soft.
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No it has not. It is more gruelling demanding more fitness from players.
Just because players don't abuse each other on field does not mean cricket is soft.
 
Most pathetic cricket team in the world and by far the most boring and unattractive.

Shaheen is pretty much the only player worth watching and only when he has the new ball in his hand.

Babar is a very good batsman no doubt, but he is overrated and lacks the match-winning ability and charisma. He is simply not in the league of the likes of Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting, Viv, Kohli, Miandad etc.

Rizwan has become a total actor - this guy is obsessed with projecting a “good guy” image and how pious and religious he is. Very fine player and the second best WK batsman in Asia at the moment, but he is all PR these days.

Everyone else is not worth talking about. They are all average and timid cricketers who lack talent, skill and confidence.

Take a look at Shafique - I have never seen such a selfish and timid young batsman. He is the second coming of Asad Shafiq and people are getting fooled by some useless 80s and 90s on the flattest of tracks where 90% of the domestic batsmen would also score useless half-centuries.

He has zero interest in helping his team win the match or put them in a commanding position or to stamp this authority on the game. He is only interested in blocking everything and increasing his average.

His body-language and demeanor is really off-putting and he should be taught a lesson and dropped from the team so that he realizes that there is no room for selfishness in international cricket.

He is all set to become the next Azhar Ali for Pakistan - the most useless accumulator you can imagine and someone who will always make it seem like he is batting in a crisis.

The less said about Fawad Alam the better. His fans have hyped him up as a legendary batsman who never got a fair shot, but he has been nothing but mediocre - averaged 10 in England and he is probably averaging 5 vs Australia, and has only feasted on poor attacks or capitalized on dropped catches.

If he didn’t get dropped in 2010, his career would have ended years ago. A nothing player.

The spinners are associate level. In fact they are worse - I have never seen such an incompetent duo.

You have a 50 year old uncle pretending to be a professional cricketer and that Sajid guy seems to have no idea what he is supposed to do. He just bowls without any thought process and any plan.

It is complete shambles. You would think that things might improve if the team is completely revamped but the reality is that there is no talent in Pakistan.
 
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This series could have been 3-0 and should have been 2-0. Had Australia won the toss in Pindi, Pakistani batsmen would have self-destructed under scoreboard pressure. That is what happened in Karachi and now in Lahore.

The Karachi second innings was a total fluke. Everything went Pakistan’s way and if Smith didn’t drop a dolly when the timid Shafique gave him catching practice, they would have won easily.

Our fans and players celebrated that draw as if they had won the World Cup which showed their minnow-mentality - they thought Australia would be mentally shot after that Test and would roll over in Lahore, but unfortunately, they forgot that not every team is mentality weak and timid like Pakistan.
 
I’ve been saying for 10 years that this timid approach will end us costing us long term but people were celebrating all those UAE victories.

The difference in those days was Younis Khan. They had one batsman who had some batsmanship about him. He played with Inzi, Yousuf and even Saeed Anwar briefly. Every other batsman coming through became a tuk tuk maniac.

Now, we are in a situation that every batsman comes in to “play the innings out” rather than bat. And the ones with ability like Babar just don’t have the batsmanship to punish the opposition. That is the indoctrination of Misbah and if his captaincy wasn’t enough he came back to indoctrinate another generation as coach.

If Rameez wanted to achieve something he could have even sacrificed a few series and at least change this cowardly mindset.
 
Fear of failure.

Fear of getting dropped.

Fear of being called out on social media/conventional media.

You can have all the talent in the world, but when these three thoughts enter a sportsman’s mind, you will freeze at this level and the opposition will make you pay.

Only reason we are in this series still is due to the fact that Australia is a rubbish subcontinent touring side and they cannot help themselves. A side like Sri Lanka would have absolutely destroyed us this series, let alone India.
 
Mamoon said:
Most pathetic cricket team in the world and by far the most boring and unattractive.

Shaheen is pretty much the only player worth watching and only when he has the new ball in his hand.

Babar is a very good batsman no doubt, but he is overrated and lacks the match-winning ability and charisma. He is simply not in the league of the likes of Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting, Viv, Kohli, Miandad etc.

Rizwan has become a total actor - this guy is obsessed with projecting a “good guy” image and how pious and religious he is. Very fine player and the second best WK batsman in Asia at the moment, but he is all PR these days.

Everyone else is not worth talking about. They are all average and timid cricketers who lack talent, skill and confidence.

Take a look at Shafique - I have never seen such a selfish and timid young batsman. He is the second coming of Asad Shafiq and people are getting fooled by some useless 80s and 90s on the flattest of tracks where 90% of the domestic batsmen would also score useless half-centuries.

He has zero interest in helping his team win the match or put them in a commanding position or to stamp this authority on the game. He is only interested in blocking everything and increasing his average.

His body-language and demeanor is really off-putting and he should be taught a lesson and dropped from the team so that he realizes that there is no room for selfishness in international cricket.

He is all set to become the next Azhar Ali for Pakistan - the most useless accumulator you can imagine and someone who will always make it seem like he is batting in a crisis.

The less said about Fawad Alam the better. His fans have hyped him up as a legendary batsman who never got a fair shot, but he has been nothing but mediocre - averaged 10 in England and he is probably averaging 5 vs Australia, and has only feasted on poor attacks or capitalized on dropped catches.

If he didn’t get dropped in 2010, his career would have ended years ago. A nothing player.

The spinners are associate level. In fact they are worse - I have never seen such an incompetent duo.

You have a 50 year old uncle pretending to be a professional cricketer and that Sajid guy seems to have no idea what he is supposed to do. He just bowls without any thought process and any plan.

It is complete shambles. You would think that things might improve if the team is completely revamped but the reality is that there is no talent in Pakistan.
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What a delightful rant. Of course most of it is devoid of any substance as usual.

What did you want Abdullah to do in Karachi or here in Lahore but especially in Karachi?

Make it seem like he is batting in a crises? All that tells us is how much of the games you have actually watched. Yeah, he should be dropped for batting brilliantly throughout the series. I know you have a narrative to push, but atleast be creative enough to come up with something worthwhile. This is dross of the highest order.


Khawaja and Labuschagne are barely going at 50 when they are ahead and in actual need of runs. Even Warner and Smith couldn't get going, Smith batted at 33. And they are batting against the likes of Sajid and Nauman (who are beyond mediocre). Naseem though was bowling under 2 RPO, so which one is it?

Finally what is wrong with being nice? If that the way Rizwan is, then more power to him. Showing fake aggression will hardly make him or us better. Just ask Ahmed Shehzad. His batting is going great and that is all that matters.
 
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Mamoon said:
Most pathetic cricket team in the world and by far the most boring and unattractive.

Shaheen is pretty much the only player worth watching and only when he has the new ball in his hand.

Babar is a very good batsman no doubt, but he is overrated and lacks the match-winning ability and charisma. He is simply not in the league of the likes of Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting, Viv, Kohli, Miandad etc.

Rizwan has become a total actor - this guy is obsessed with projecting a “good guy” image and how pious and religious he is. Very fine player and the second best WK batsman in Asia at the moment, but he is all PR these days.

Everyone else is not worth talking about. They are all average and timid cricketers who lack talent, skill and confidence.

Take a look at Shafique - I have never seen such a selfish and timid young batsman. He is the second coming of Asad Shafiq and people are getting fooled by some useless 80s and 90s on the flattest of tracks where 90% of the domestic batsmen would also score useless half-centuries.

He has zero interest in helping his team win the match or put them in a commanding position or to stamp this authority on the game. He is only interested in blocking everything and increasing his average.

His body-language and demeanor is really off-putting and he should be taught a lesson and dropped from the team so that he realizes that there is no room for selfishness in international cricket.

He is all set to become the next Azhar Ali for Pakistan - the most useless accumulator you can imagine and someone who will always make it seem like he is batting in a crisis.

The less said about Fawad Alam the better. His fans have hyped him up as a legendary batsman who never got a fair shot, but he has been nothing but mediocre - averaged 10 in England and he is probably averaging 5 vs Australia, and has only feasted on poor attacks or capitalized on dropped catches.

If he didn’t get dropped in 2010, his career would have ended years ago. A nothing player.

The spinners are associate level. In fact they are worse - I have never seen such an incompetent duo.

You have a 50 year old uncle pretending to be a professional cricketer and that Sajid guy seems to have no idea what he is supposed to do. He just bowls without any thought process and any plan.

It is complete shambles. You would think that things might improve if the team is completely revamped but the reality is that there is no talent in Pakistan.
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These essays are funny to read. Ashwin is better then Imran.
 
Arsal_AK said:
What a delightful rant. Of course most of it is devoid of any substance as usual.

What did you want Abdullah to do in Karachi or here in Lahore but especially in Karachi?

Make it seem like he is batting in a crises? All that tells us is how much of the games you have actually watched. Yeah, he should be dropped for batting brilliantly throughout the series. I know you have a narrative to push, but atleast be creative enough to come up with something worthwhile. This is dross of the highest order.


Khawaja and Labuschagne are barely going at 50 when they are ahead and in actual need of runs. Even Warner and Smith couldn't get going, Smith batted at 33. And they are batting against the likes of Sajid and Nauman (who are beyond mediocre). Naseem though was bowling under 2 RPO, so which one is it?

Finally what is wrong with being nice? If that the way Rizwan is, then more power to him. Showing fake aggression will hardly make him or us better. Just ask Ahmed Shehzad. His batting is going great and that is all that matters.
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There is a difference between batting at home and batting away. Australian batsmen do not bat like cowards on home pitches which are also usually flat. They regularly go at 3.5/4.0 runs per over and force results and put the opposition bowlers under pressure.

Pakistani batsmen cannot do that - only Babar and to an extent Rizwan can but no one else. Shafique was hyped up as the next batting star, but his body language and timid batting suggests that he is the next Azhar/Shafiq.

There is a difference between being nice and being cringeworthy. Pakistani players are going overboard with their hospitality and the way they are sucking up to the Australians just because they don’t want to upset them.

This series has been all about how grateful we are that Australia came. Embarrassing to say the least.
 
Mamoon said:
There is a difference between batting at home and batting away. Australian batsmen do not bat like cowards on home pitches which are also usually flat. They regularly go at 3.5/4.0 runs per over and force results and put the opposition bowlers under pressure.

Pakistani batsmen cannot do that - only Babar and to an extent Rizwan can but no one else. Shafique was hyped up as the next batting star, but his body language and timid batting suggests that he is the next Azhar/Shafiq.

There is a difference between being nice and being cringeworthy. Pakistani players are going overboard with their hospitality and the way they are sucking up to the Australians just because they don’t want to upset them.

This series has been all about how grateful we are that Australia came. Embarrassing to say the least.
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I agree. But have a look at the pitches. They are slow. You can't score freely, especially when you have people like Cummins coming relentlessly at you. In Australia the roads are proper roads, ball comes on to the bat and doesn't bounce twice before the keeper.

Naseem has bowled beautifuly this test and he has been as accurate as you can be. The result, he is going at under 2 an over. Most boundaries of him have been through guly or slips. So it's definitely hard.

On Abdullah, maybe he was slow here but that's just one innings. If he is like this 10-15 tests down the line, when he has batted on different wickets, don't you that would be the time to call how timid he is or not? I'll agree that then it will a concerning pattern.

He was brilliant in Karachi, that was anything but timid. There is no way anyone thought on day four that we were going to draw the game much less win it. I don't think anyone in his position would have batted differently. The only chance we had of chasing was prior and post tea on day 5, where we could have gone a little harder but Babar shut shop and rightly so, given what transpired once he got out.

You can disagree with the plan but it's not right to put it on a 22 year old. Him and Azhar were following it very well, get 230-250 odd runs that day, bat till post lunch on day four and put Australia in, was what the management decided. Then Fawad happened. There is also the thing that apart from him, Babar and Rizwan, others have fallen like a pack of cards the minute Australia have exerted a little pressure. If he fails today (likely), I wouldn't be surprised if the rest follow in a line till Babar and Rizwan get together again.

Also it's disingenuous to compare him to Azhar. He is playing his 7th FC game for once. And just watch him bat, there is quite a big difference between how both play, be it the shots they have or the time on the ball. I know it was the PSL but the way he batted in the knockout against us shows that he can stamp authority on the game.

Give him Nauman and Sajid and he will go probably go above 40 too. He batted at 56 in Pindi with the scoreboard lead behind him, like the Australians are doing now.
 
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Every time we do poorly, everyone starts saying now "Cornered Tigers" will fight. It's become cringe at this point. Hiding behind every deficiency. Instead of trying to correct it, we like to hide behind stupid stuff like "Unpredictables" and whatnot.
 
Arsal_AK said:
You can disagree with the plan but it's not right to put it on a 22 year old. Him and Azhar were following it very well, get 230-250 odd runs that day, bat till post lunch on day four and put Australia in, was what the management decided. Then Fawad happened. There is also the thing that apart from him, Babar and Rizwan, others have fallen like a pack of cards the minute Australia have exerted a little pressure. If he fails today (likely), I wouldn't be surprised if the rest follow in a line till Babar and Rizwan get together again.

Also it's disingenuous to compare him to Azhar. He is playing his 7th FC game for once. And just watch him bat, there is quite a big difference between how both play, be it the shots they have or the time on the ball. I know it was the PSL but the way he batted in the knockout against us shows that he can stamp authority on the game.
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I agree that Abdullah is young and will improve his game awareness with time. However, the plan of Pakistan seemed to have missed some basics. The biggest threat throughout the series and this match has been the reverse swing and the aim should be such that the scoring and the overall score is maximized (As much as possible) before the 2nd new ball is 30 odd overs old and starts to reverse again for considerable time. Facing two spells of reverse swing bowling without accelerating in between was not a good plan especially on these surfaces because as mentioned that reverse swing was the only thing to change the complexion of the match and you dont give your opposition two chances to use that weapon before you have even reached 300.

In comparison Aus lost 5 wickets for 206 runs and 81 overs. Carey and Green played at RR of 3.46 in their partnership taking the total to 341 around the time 2nd ball would have started to reverse. After that Pakistan was able to bowl them out for 391 (within 50 runs) with that reverse. So the understanding of what is the threat and how to maximize scoring around it was the key for Aus I think, something which Pak was not able to do quite a few times in the series.
 
Mamoon said:
Rizwan has become a total actor - this guy is obsessed with projecting a “good guy” image and how pious and religious he is. Very fine player and the second best WK batsman in Asia at the moment, but he is all PR these days.
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How do you know he is obsessed with that? He might genuinely be a good guy. Why do you pick the most daft thing to hate on him

Yet the person you think is the best WK batsman in Asia acts like a real cricket super hero does he?
 
Pakistan can now have a chance to win the series due to the sporting declaration of Aus. The pitch is not bad. Aus just put 225 for only a couple of wickets. Pakistan would have to chase 3 runs a ball with 10 wickets in hands. Just need to keep cool and take it to the finish line.
 
Buffet said:
Pakistan can now have a chance to win the series due to the sporting declaration of Aus. The pitch is not bad. Aus just put 225 for only a couple of wickets. Pakistan would have to chase 3 runs a ball with 10 wickets in hands. Just need to keep cool and take it to the finish line.
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Pakistan is not even thinking about chasing this. They suspended the idea of winning this game the moment they conceded a hefty first innings lead.

You are overestimating the mindset of this team.

It is all about survival here, and I doubt lightning will strike twice. The ball is turning big now and Lyon will probably take 5-6 wickets tomorrow.
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistan is not even thinking about chasing this. They suspended the idea of winning this game the moment they conceded a hefty first innings lead.

You are overestimating the mindset of this team.

It is all about survival here, and I doubt lightning will strike twice. The ball is turning big now and Lyon will probably take 5-6 wickets tomorrow.
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I agree that Pakistan has been just playing for the draw this entire series, but this is not too hard a target on this pitch. Just need to counter reverse in the middle and keep batting normally. Pakistan just needs to score 3 runs per over. Even if Pakistan goes slow for two sessions, the asking rate won't go too high. Just need to bat well here.

Aus sporting declaration has made the last day of this series not dull.
 
Talk about overreaction!!!!

Mate we are a mid tier team playing a top tier team. You need to be proud of your teams effort.
 
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Mamoon said:
This series could have been 3-0 and should have been 2-0. Had Australia won the toss in Pindi, Pakistani batsmen would have self-destructed under scoreboard pressure. That is what happened in Karachi and now in Lahore.

The Karachi second innings was a total fluke. Everything went Pakistan’s way and if Smith didn’t drop a dolly when the timid Shafique gave him catching practice, they would have won easily.

Our fans and players celebrated that draw as if they had won the World Cup which showed their minnow-mentality - they thought Australia would be mentally shot after that Test and would roll over in Lahore, but unfortunately, they forgot that not every team is mentality weak and timid like Pakistan.
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There we go again with the dumb what if scenarios. Do you know how many times we can use what if for Pakistani fielders? What if Razzaq had taken Tendulkar's catch in world cup 2003, what if Rahat Ali didn't drop Watson in 2015, etc. Why don't you say anything about Australian fielding standards for dropping catches?
It seems like every time Pakistan does something it's considered as a fluke.
 
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There we go again with the dumb what if scenarios. Do you know how many times we can use what if for Pakistani fielders? What if Razzaq had taken Tendulkar's catch in world cup 2003, what if Rahat Ali didn't drop Watson in 2015, etc. Why don't you say anything about Australian fielding standards for dropping catches?
It seems like every time Pakistan does something it's considered as a fluke.
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Fawad dropped Khawaja in the second test and went to get a big score.
 
I am surprising about negative approach of Pakistani team on highway pitches.
A very defensive and mediocre approach... Cowards of all time..
 
Imam looks a timid character. What a poor review from him today! Besides, I have seen him afraid at silly point many times, very poor runner between the wickets too. I believe he is wary of short ball too as a batsman.
 
Delusional board, delusional players, delusional fans.

Pakistan cricket is rotten to the core.
 
Mamoon said:
Delusional board, delusional players, delusional fans.

Pakistan cricket is rotten to the core.
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Did you watch this whole series?
I didn't watch much apart from few overs on cell phone and just follow scorecard.
I think you should not see these losers playing like this.
 
After the second Test, I saw a few fans state that Australia will be shocked and they will roll over in the third Test and Pakistan will win the series. :klopp
 
Afhan Ali said:
Did you watch this whole series?
I didn't watch much apart from few overs on cell phone and just follow scorecard.
I think you should not see these losers playing like this.
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I watched when I could but only because I enjoy watching Australia player. Pakistan is an unwatchable cricket team. The poster boys of mediocrity and cowardice.
 
Scared, negative strategies, not even going for win once in a single session.
Ramiz Raja talks big game but sorry to say this is a shambolic performance. So called Janoon seems to be gone.
 
IK must be feeling filthy with this performance..

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Pakistan did incredibly well given they have an ordinary side. Please be objective with this side you're not going to be world beaters.

Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen continue to be the pillars this team is built around. Abdullah looks to be a find and with good coaching could be a servant for a long time. Imam has mental issues but has done well enough to be persisted with. But the rest look like they need to be replaced.

Perhaps this is close to the best side we have, maybe we are struggling for quality and so the problemn is at the root level more than this playing XI.
 
Rubbish performance througout the series. You have scared players, you have players playing for their places only and not the country.

Lol, this was a home series. Yes, Australia is a great team, but they haven't won in Asia for over 10 years and now they have got an easy series win. Should have been either 0-2 or 0-3.

I really hope we don't have any Test tour to Australia scheduled in near future. This team would be completely destroyed there.
 
Say what you want about Mickey Arthur but he tried to add some balance and change things in the test team by including Sharjeel, Fakhar, Faheem, Shadab to ensure our batting is deep and the team is not one dimensional with accumulators.
 
Shafique : Find of the series
Imam : Cunninngly scored bulk of his runs when it did not even matter on 1st test
Azhar : On his last legs
Babar : Top gun batsman (but poor captain)
Fawad : Cant even score in dead and slow pitches of Pakistan ; I would have given him another chance had he even scored in 1 innings out of 4. Sajid Khan is a better batsman than him
Rizwan : Flat track and soft opposition bully. But since he is a very good wicketkeeper, his batting is a bonus
Hasan Ali : Medium pacer
Sajid and Nouman : Awful spinners. But better batsman than few other batsmen in the team
Naseem : Good Comeback
Shaheen : Amazing bowler, but if he don't play domestic/ long cricket he cant bowl impactful long overs
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Playing for a draw in first session itself was a mistake. There was no need to bat at 1-2 runs per over for 30 odd overs. batting 2-3 runs per over would have put some pressure on Aus as well and batting 2-3 runs is not really playing fast.
 
I’m not sure how I can watch another series with a top 3 of Shafique, Imam and Azhar. Then Fawad at 5.

They must add Fakhar Zaman or even Sharjeel Khan to actually add some flow or momentum from the word go.

Abdullah isn’t playing for the team at all. He’s worked out that he can score the decent numbers by just shutting up shop like a tailender and drive the odd ball once in 30 balls
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistan is not even thinking about chasing this. They suspended the idea of winning this game the moment they conceded a hefty first innings lead.

You are overestimating the mindset of this team.

It is all about survival here, and I doubt lightning will strike twice. The ball is turning big now and Lyon will probably take 5-6 wickets tomorrow.
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This.
Happened exactly as predicted.
 
Current Pakistan team is full of chunnay munnay shoshebaaz. They need to toughen up and start to play some hard aggressive test cricket.
 
Kick out Imam and get Fakhar to open with Shafique. Fakhar aint great but hes a fighter.

Kick out Fawad and Azhar, its embarrassing watching these guys play and replace with some decent domestic prospects like Ghulam and Shakeel.

Expired players dont have fight in them in tough situations.

Hasan is one of the biggest fighters but kick out till he regains form.
 
Ahmed216 said:
A world class spinner picking wickets on last day with pitch turning a bit. This was expected
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Easy to say now in hindsight.
All 10 wickets in hand and ~275 to win the series. Pak were favourite to either win or draw at least.

Not only Mamoon predicted Pak approach and inevitable loss but wickets for Lyon as well. Got to give credit.
 
Australia dominated the series even though Pak fought back brilliantly. They deservedly won the series.
Usman Khwaja has proved his critics wrong.
 
Thanos said:
Easy to say now in hindsight.
All 10 wickets in hand and ~275 to win the series. Pak were favourite to either win or draw at least.

Not only Mamoon predicted Pak approach and inevitable loss but wickets for Lyon as well. Got to give credit.
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All mamoon ever says about pak cricket is negative. He also predicted an inevitable thrashing of pak in t20 world by India
 
Thanos said:
Easy to say now in hindsight.
All 10 wickets in hand and ~275 to win the series. Pak were favourite to either win or draw at least.

Not only Mamoon predicted Pak approach and inevitable loss but wickets for Lyon as well. Got to give credit.
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U dont understand pak cricket if u think there was a possibility of pak win on last day. They are an average side
 
Pakistan played this series with a minnow mentality, Australia have scarred them so badly but Pak forgot they were playing at home. They should have played with the same confidence they did against South Africa.

Even Bangladesh prepare a lot more confidently in their conditions.

Well deserved for Australia, have been getting brutalised over the years in asia and the no.1 team has done really well here, full credit to them and for understanding Pakistani conditions better than Pakistan!
 
Buffet said:
Playing for a draw in first session itself was a mistake. There was no need to bat at 1-2 runs per over for 30 odd overs. batting 2-3 runs per over would have put some pressure on Aus as well and batting 2-3 runs is not really playing fast.
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Well said, no one is asking them to come out slogging every delivery, just the basic intent to score is not there. You cannot pre-meditate so much against good bowling attacks. Australia was decent at best, and have proven to be difficult to face. India will rip us apart and embarrass us to the point where these boys might reconsider why they took up cricket in the first place.
 
Babar picks up his own team. And you can see results in PSL and this test series.
 
Ahmed216 said:
All mamoon ever says about pak cricket is negative. He also predicted an inevitable thrashing of pak in t20 world by India
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Ahmed216 said:
U dont understand pak cricket if u think there was a possibility of pak win on last day. They are an average side
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I am well aware of Mamoon's and BVB's view for Pak and Indian cricket respectively.
Also I've followed enough cricket to know how Pak batting collapses every now and then. But Pak is also very well infamous for being unpredictable at times. A badge (unpredictable) Pak fans wear proudly. So Pak win or draw was not completely out of scope for fans to predict.

And you've answered yourself in one of the post I've quoted. Mamoon prediction was typical for world T20, but didn't Pak performed well there?

Hence I said, gotta give credit here for predicting correctly just like he predicted India's comeback after 36 AO on tour of Aus.

Anyway test series is done and dusted. Good luck for LOIs.
 
Rizwan laughing along side babar as teams shake hands . That’s pathetic .
 
Usman Chadda said:
Well said, no one is asking them to come out slogging every delivery, just the basic intent to score is not there. You cannot pre-meditate so much against good bowling attacks. Australia was decent at best, and have proven to be difficult to face. India will rip us apart and embarrass us to the point where these boys might reconsider why they took up cricket in the first place.
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Problem is many fans, Babar and players may not see the issue of playing at 1-2 runs per over for entire session. When pointing this out some may even start saying that you don't understand cricket and watch T20. I hardly watch T20.

I could understand if asking rate was 3-4 and you bat at normal speed of 2-3 runs per over and then see what happens in the last session, but if you are batting 1-2 runs per over for entire session with so many wickets in hands then you have no intention to score 270 runs in entire day of play. As you said it was pre-determined that team will dead bat no matter match condition, pitch, bowling etc.

I won't expect too many teams to try to score 330-340 runs, but 270 runs is not really asking for too much. Just normal cricket will take you close.

Taking nothing away from Aus here, but other team played horrible cricket in this series with no intention to win any time.
 
Savak said:
Say what you want about Mickey Arthur but he tried to add some balance and change things in the test team by including Sharjeel, Fakhar, Faheem, Shadab to ensure our batting is deep and the team is not one dimensional with accumulators.
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Indeed he did well, he identified the weak areas of this team and was work on it progressively..

Yes he lost so many ODIs and lost home test series to NZL etc, the ppl that was backed for so many years by were azhar and asad both failed to show up when MISYOU retired..

MA was building a unit that can compete with top teams and win against them home and away but it takes time, unfortunately he was robbed off by Misbah..
 
Thanos said:
I am well aware of Mamoon's and BVB's view for Pak and Indian cricket respectively.
Also I've followed enough cricket to know how Pak batting collapses every now and then. But Pak is also very well infamous for being unpredictable at times. A badge (unpredictable) Pak fans wear proudly. So Pak win or draw was not completely out of scope for fans to predict.

And you've answered yourself in one of the post I've quoted. Mamoon prediction was typical for world T20, but didn't Pak performed well there?

Hence I said, gotta give credit here for predicting correctly just like he predicted India's comeback after 36 AO on tour of Aus.

Anyway test series is done and dusted. Good luck for LOIs.
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In pak's 'unpredictable' history they have never chased 350+ more than once. I still dont understand what made u think pak could win. I expect u to know better than pak fans being a fan of an elite side.
Mamoon's opinion holds no value for me for all he ever says about pak cricket is negative ,calls all the victories as fluke that's why i didnt quote him initially and talking about indian cricket he thinks players like prithwi shaw are second coming of bradman
 
Some fans relentlessly say that Pakistan are talentless , no talent is coming up. Total bogus. Substance less talking.

Pakistan has talents no doubt.The main problem has been, for more than 2 decades there had been biased, ridiculous selection of the squad.it has been going on on and on.

Suppose you have Miandad, Injamam, Selim Malik in your domestic arena and at the same time you have Hafeez, Akmal and Maqsood playing domestic cricket.if you pick up the later 3 and say that there is no talent then it's bogus.

And the timing. Pakistan picked Misbah, Fawad past their prime @35 plus ,at the fading end of their career. Look at picking up fast bowlers like Sohail Khan, aizaz cheema, Mohammad Irfan, Tanveer Ahmed. Spinners like Azmal,Zulfiqar Babar . They were all good fast bowlers and spinners who could dominate. But all were picked up first at old age. Why?
 
The worst batting display i have ever seen is from people's champion the Saviour fawad the GOAT Alam.
I mean it seemed like the guy had never held the bat in his life before this series.
He was so so torturous to watch.
Hopefully this will be the end of him.He has to be kicked out.
Karachi media and fans can stop crying and whining.
He is the most useless player ever.
 
Ahmed216 said:
In pak's 'unpredictable' history they have never chased 350+ more than once. I still dont understand what made u think pak could win. I expect u to know better than pak fans being a fan of an elite side.
Mamoon's opinion holds no value for me for all he ever says about pak cricket is negative ,calls all the victories as fluke that's why i didnt quote him initially and talking about indian cricket he thinks players like prithwi shaw are second coming of bradman
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Okay man. what about draw? Was that also not in scope since you know Pak cricket better than anyone else.
 
Ahmed216 said:
In pak's 'unpredictable' history they have never chased 350+ more than once. I still dont understand what made u think pak could win. I expect u to know better than pak fans being a fan of an elite side.
Mamoon's opinion holds no value for me for all he ever says about pak cricket is negative ,calls all the victories as fluke that's why i didnt quote him initially and talking about indian cricket he thinks players like prithwi shaw are second coming of bradman
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Regardless of the score (which was achievable on this pitch by playing normal cricket), you expect to see your batsmen play the ball on its merit. These boys pre-determine their scoring shots, and that’s where they end up in trouble. You will see Azhar Ali block three overs consecutively, and tonk Nathan Lyon for a six over his head on the 19th delivery. On another day, he skies that and it’s taken by the fielder, and he trudges off after having wasted scoring opportunities in the previous three overs. Those six runs that he intends to get in that one ball, could be achieved quite easily by playing normally in the previous three overs he decided to dead bat.

Swepson bowled absolute rubbish, yet no batsman had the intention to take him on and play with the field for a bit. It’s an ongoing issue now, these guys play according to the opposition captain and this is where good players are separated from the below average losers we are carrying right now. Good players create angles, make the opposition captain change the field and force the bowlers to rethink their strategy. Hamare lallu just keep blocking and blocking, till the bowler sets himself up for that length he is looking for and eventually delivers the killing blow.

Not sure what all the coaches, team management etc are doing. Maybe they have just given up on this nonsense and are just there to collect their paychecks.
 
shaz619 said:
Pakistan played this series with a minnow mentality, Australia have scarred them so badly but Pak forgot they were playing at home. They should have played with the same confidence they did against South Africa.

Even Bangladesh prepare a lot more confidently in their conditions.

Well deserved for Australia, have been getting brutalised over the years in asia and the no.1 team has done really well here, full credit to them and for understanding Pakistani conditions better than Pakistan!
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Yes the mentality and negative mindset of palistan cricket stank throughout this series and led them down this hole of inevitable defeat

They arent a minnow and are playign at home I guarantee you if they played with confidence, prepared spinning tracks and had a captain who knew how to captain or a decent coaching setup this series wouldve had a different result
 
Pakistan were down n out after the first innings for both teams ended and the bowling/fielding effort in the 2nd innings just showed that they were waiting for a fork to be stuck in them. Australia timed their declaration well though, even batting for 1 more hour might have jeopardized their win. Never mind those that got fooled by no wicket falling yday for 25+ overs.
 
But we are good hosts.

We make them feel at home and comfortable.

It doesn't matter about the results.

According to some!
 
The balance b/w being a role model, well behaved team off the field and aggressive on the field

I don't have too many issues with the Pakistani players being friendly and chummy with the Australian players off the field.

Am seeing pics, videos of both the teams relaxing, joking around with each other in the dressing room after the match and at the team hotel but the Pakistani players in this process have forgotten that their job was to win the match for the country at the end of the day and that the nation is deeply hurt by the defensive, insipid display by the team at home in front of their home crowds.

Someone needs to have a tough word with the team and perhaps even give them a tongue lashing. It appears there is too much goody goodyness in the dressing room. Cannot believe i am saying this but am missing Mickey Arthur at a time like this.
 
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