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And perfectly captures the mood of our fans today

What will be our breaking point? Will we ever reach that?
 
The mouse being experimented on was our heart, and now it's dead due to these experiments.
 
MenInG said:
And perfectly captures the mood of our fans today

What will be our breaking point? Will we ever reach that?
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To be the breaking point will be this:

- Pakistan gets knocked out of the group stages of the CT
- Crowds don't turn up to watch the games
- The PCB does a terrible job at organizing this tournament, turning off good teams from touring Pakistan in the future
- And India win the CT (from Dubai)

That will be Pakistan cricket's breaking point, and it will turn off 2 generations of fans.
 
When whole country is being experimented on. Cricket is a nothing thing.

Unless and until things at the top fix itself. Pakistan Cricket will continue to ruin. It's not going to improve by just changes mere support staff or players
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Tbh Pakistan fans are dead inside now. So nothing scares them
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The lose to USA was the final nail in the coffin for me. I understood and realized on that day that our Cricket is at the bottom or at least in a regressing position. I do not feel anything about Pakistan Cricket anymore. Maybe because I simply don't have any expectations from it. So it doesn't disappoint me.

I even opened a thread to talk about it here: https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/threads/advice-to-pakistan-fans-keep-your-expectations-low.314125/

Nothing has changed since then of course.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Tbh Pakistan fans are dead inside now. So nothing scares them
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This. It doesn’t hurt, I just check cricinfo and literally laugh at the scores. Losing to Afghanistan, USA in world tournaments and being whitewashed by Bangladesh at home, this is Pakistan cricket of new. Not to mention letting a team touring score 800+ runs. Cannot get hurt where losses are always expected.
 
It doesn't hurt because we are all just numb to the pain and that is even more worrying. Pakistan is losing a generation of fans due to this "circus".

This is just dark.
 
Murphy's Law is what I describe Pakistan cricket and perhaps the country itself as.

Whatever bad that can happen, will most likely happen. When things go wrong, they go horribly wrong.
 
Watching highlights of Day-4, it is clear that the Pakistani bowling is not suitable for the pitch they have laid out for England. I know their bowlers might be tired, but bowling at 125 k's gun barrel straight is not going to win them Tests.

At least the next Test, they should serve a green pitch and hope that Shaheen and Naseem do some magic. This is the only way Pak can win. If Shaheen and co fail to deliver on green pitches too, then its time to drop them and get in some new talent.
 
Our cricket died the day we dropped a game to USA in a World Cup.

The ramifications for the players involved in that game is just too much and they would be mentally scarred for life. They literally dumped on the legacy of Pakistan cricket.

What will follow now will be one disaster after another.

Starting off with a clean slate like we did after the 2003WC might be one way to hold on to the fans.

Our cricket will not get any better though until we have mentally strong players come through the system.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Our cricket died the day we dropped a game to USA in a World Cup.

The ramifications for the players involved in that game is just too much and they would be mentally scarred for life. They literally dumped on the legacy of Pakistan cricket.

What will follow now will be one disaster after another.

Starting off with a clean slate like we did after the 2003WC might be one way to hold on to the fans.

Our cricket will not get any better though until we have mentally strong players come through the system.
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It was just a T20 game.
 
I live in England and the game was on in the office.

English people were laughing at Pakistan.

The most embarrassing moment in my life.
 
The system in Pak doesn't work anymore to produce quality intl cricketers for Tests.

Youngsters in Ind/Aus/Eng/NZ/SA are all better coached, better trained, fitter and made international ready. Ofcourse all teams will go through phases of talent drought and surge but the average domestic cricketer from these countries is simply far better than his equivalent in Pak. Thus even in their down phases these teams atleast will not embarrass themselves like current PCT squad.

Today PCT's available Test spinner options are Abrar, Noman and Zahid Mehmood. These guys would struggle to make the top state sides in India and Aus. 2nd tier spinners like Embuldeniya and Andy McBrine today would walk into a Pak test XI as lead spinner. That is a reflection of how badly the system has failed.
 
I watch Pakistani cricket in peace now.

They lose so much that it's easier to analyze the game. I've noticed more and more Pakistani fans are becoming like this and are seeing through the nonsense now.

Just a few stragglers that have Babar and Rizwan as their superheroes. But they will come around too.
 
Buffet said:
It was just a T20 game.
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No excuses for losing to USA, regardless.

That defeat has scarred most of these players and they will deliver these hits one after another.

Add to that the blatant lack of talent, what do we expect?
 
Usman Chadda said:
No excuses for losing to USA, regardless.

That defeat has scarred most of these players and they will deliver these hits one after another.

Add to that the blatant lack of talent, what do we expect?
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Not giving excuse, but huge upsets can happen in T20 due to only 40 overs of play.

In tests, it's harder because it's over 500 overs. I can ignore those T20/ODI losses, but losing non-stop at home and then losing 0-2 to BD at home was too much.

Anyway, losing to USA was not acceptable. I am not making excuses for that.
 
Buffet said:
Not giving excuse, but huge upsets can happen in T20 due ton only 40 overs of play.

In tests, it's harder because it's over 400-500 overs. I will ingore those T20/ODI losses, but losing non-stop at home and then losing 0-2 to BD was too much.

Anyway, losing to USA was not acceptable. I am not making excuses for that.
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Ignoring a loss where the 15th ranked T20 team in the world dominated you for 38 overs of the game is not smart.

Neither is ignoring the thrashing we received by Afghanistan in the 23WC.

These players are on a losing streak since a long time and continuing with them is the stupidity of the highest order.

None of these players are good enough for Test cricket, so the issue is compounded even more so and it’s reflected in the results inevitably.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Watching highlights of Day-4, it is clear that the Pakistani bowling is not suitable for the pitch they have laid out for England. I know their bowlers might be tired, but bowling at 125 k's gun barrel straight is not going to win them Tests.

At least the next Test, they should serve a green pitch and hope that Shaheen and Naseem do some magic. This is the only way Pak can win. If Shaheen and co fail to deliver on green pitches too, then its time to drop them and get in some new talent.
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Either Naseem or Shaheen will be dropped/rested.
 
Every illness is reversible or at the vey least manageable, provided the root cause is identified.

Where did it all start going wrong?

I have been watching this team since the 80s, and I can confirm the regression commenced under Inzi's era.

Overreliance on religion -- with some quoting for angels as rescue plan -- has led to lack of self-belief and accountability. Many worthwhile cricketers in Lahore and Karachi circuits weren't given a chance since they didn't check the right boxes.

There is still time to fix this. Take religion out of this sport, and let it soar like it used to be in the 70s,80s,90s.
 
shamaan said:
Either Naseem or Shaheen will be dropped/rested.
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Naseem Shah at times looked like taking a wicket. Shaheen looked lost and his bowling is getting meeker with each passing series. He needs to rediscover his lost skills in the domestics.
 
All saya group players need to be dropped until they perform in domestics. Play with young domestic performers, even if we lose, so what, at least they are getting a chance.
 
Farhan The Man said:
Every illness is reversible or at the vey least manageable, provided the root cause is identified.

Where did it all start going wrong?

I have been watching this team since the 80s, and I can confirm the regression commenced under Inzi's era.

Overreliance on religion -- with some quoting for angels as rescue plan -- has led to lack of self-belief and accountability. Many worthwhile cricketers in Lahore and Karachi circuits weren't given a chance since they didn't check the right boxes.

There is still time to fix this. Take religion out of this sport, and let it soar like it used to be in the 70s,80s,90s.
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Do you know why "religion" does not affect Hashim Amla or Moin Khan or Adil Rashid?
 
Those 3 gents aren't crème de la crème of cricket royalty.

The ones who are/were don't wear religion on their sleeves. Infact quite the opposite. Imran Khan, Viv Richards, Ricking Ponting, Ian Botham, list goes on. You get the point.

You need self-belief to win. Not belief in divine miracles.
 
Mesozoic said:
Murphy's Law is what I describe Pakistan cricket and perhaps the country itself as.

Whatever bad that can happen, will most likely happen. When things go wrong, they go horribly wrong at the most inappropriate time
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Corrected for accuracy 😊
 
Buffet said:
It was just a T20 game.
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You don't realize the gravity of that loss from a avg Pakistani cricket fans perspective ... reason is that The USA team was More or less a Indian Club grade team consisting mainly of Indians. Now that is a line that was never crossed before and it has hurt the Egos of die hard pak cricket fans. It cannot get any more humiliating than that.
 
uppercut said:
You don't realize the gravity of that loss from a avg Pakistani cricket fans perspective ... reason is that The USA team was More or less a Indian Club grade team consisting mainly of Indians. Now that is a line that was never crossed before and it has hurt the Egos of die hard pak cricket fans. It cannot get any more humiliating than that.
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Yeah they may forget sachin but not saurabh
 
PakFan2010 said:
I live in England and the game was on in the office.

English people were laughing at Pakistan.

The most embarrassing moment in my life.
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Why were you embarrassed ? If are a UK citizen you should be proud. If this was USA vs Ind game , and USA was comprehensively defeating Ind , I would be so proud and happy. I would be embarrassed if a fellow friend was supporting Ind instead of US.
 
After Pakistan’s dismal performance in the 2023 ODI World Cup, we were promised a “surgery,” yet nothing happened. A major surgery was promised after Pakistan lost to a USA team made up of part-time tech workers and in the process, got knocked out in the first round, but again, nothing happened. Once more, after the embarrassing home Test series loss to Bangladesh, another “surgery” was promised, but still, nothing changed.

The truth is, the PCB no longer cares about cricket. The PCB chairman is a political figure—currently serving as the Minister of Interior, the Minister of Narcotics Control (ironically), and a member of Pakistan’s Senate. He literally has four jobs and is failing in all of them.

Unless the PCB is led by professionals who hold players accountable and can prepare sporting pitches, Pakistan cricket will continue on its current trajectory of rapid death. For the current chairman, it’s not enough that Pakistan cricket should die - it must suffer a cruel death too.
 
chinaman00 said:
After Pakistan’s dismal performance in the 2023 ODI World Cup, we were promised a “surgery,” yet nothing happened. A major surgery was promised after Pakistan lost to a USA team made up of part-time tech workers and in the process, got knocked out in the first round, but again, nothing happened. Once more, after the embarrassing home Test series loss to Bangladesh, another “surgery” was promised, but still, nothing changed.

The truth is, the PCB no longer cares about cricket. The PCB chairman is a political figure—currently serving as the Minister of Interior, the Minister of Narcotics Control (ironically), and a member of Pakistan’s Senate. He literally has four jobs and is failing in all of them.

Unless the PCB is led by professionals who hold players accountable and can prepare sporting pitches, Pakistan cricket will continue on its current trajectory of rapid death. For the current chairman, it’s not enough that Pakistan cricket should die - it must suffer a cruel death too.
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Bhai the surgeon himself is in need of brain surgery ... thoda time lageyga 🤣🤪
 
PCB's problem is stability and lots and lots of political influence. These guys are afraid. Not taking brave decisions for the future.
I think the social experiment should be over now. The Pakistan team is under the dust now.
 
RidiculousMan said:
When whole country is being experimented on. Cricket is a nothing thing.

Unless and until things at the top fix itself. Pakistan Cricket will continue to ruin. It's not going to improve by just changes mere support staff or players
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This.

Most of the time, national team glory depends a lot on the state of the nations coffers.

There are outliers to this: SL in 1996, India in 1983.
 
True said
It's like being a fan in the lower divisions , only watching because your die hard
Let's be honest there's no one left in that pakistan team that you would wake up early for or switch channels for
 
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