"Pakistan didn't deserve to Play in the ICC T20 World Cup Final": Mohammad Amir

[Gullycricket]

The fact remains though and taking nothing away from them, that Pakistan were out of the tournament and it was only due to a freak result that they reached the semi-finals.

Has that not been the case almost in most of the tournaments. CT 2017, WC T20 2009 etc i could go on. They have always relied on momentum to win tournaments. Did you forget brainless fielding by Srilanka in CT 2017 which allowed Sarfaraz to win the game. It's always been like that. Honestly this team has been less unpredictable compared to past team making semis , 2 finals in last one year.

 

[Babeikh]

The question arises....if Pakistan didn't deserve to be in the final, who did?

 

[Rana]

The question arises....if Pakistan didn't deserve to be in the final, who did?

Ireland were probably more deserving than we were tbf

 

[Babeikh]

Ireland were probably more deserving than we were tbf

Not in our group. Next...

 

[Babeikh]

The way the tournament worked was that there were two groups of 6 and the top two from each went to the SF and the winners of the SF went to the final.

So essentially for this 'Pakistan didn't deserve to be in the final' thing to be true, it needs one of two things to be true...

1. Pak didn't deserve to beat NZ in the semi final so NZ should have been in the final. This is not the case as we totally outplayed them.

Or

2. Some other team deserved to be in the SF ahead of us. So who could that be?

SA? We pulverised them. Plus they lost to Netherlands. So not them.

Bang? We beat them easily. They barely scraped past Zim and Netherlands. Fought hard against India.

Zim? They beat us and flopped for the rest of the tournament.

Netherlands? Lost to Bang and us.

So basically we did deserve to be in the final and anyone who says otherwise is being disingenuous

 

[Mamoon]

The way the tournament worked was that there were two groups of 6 and the top two from each went to the SF and the winners of the SF went to the final.

So essentially for this 'Pakistan didn't deserve to be in the final' thing to be true, it needs one of two things to be true...

1. Pak didn't deserve to beat NZ in the semi final so NZ should have been in the final. This is not the case as we totally outplayed them.

Or

2. Some other team deserved to be in the SF ahead of us. So who could that be?

SA? We pulverised them. Plus they lost to Netherlands. So not them.

Bang? We beat them easily. They barely scraped past Zim and Netherlands. Fought hard against India.

Zim? They beat us and flopped for the rest of the tournament.

Netherlands? Lost to Bang and us.

So basically we did deserve to be in the final and anyone who says otherwise is being disingenuous

South Africa were completely screwed over by D/L against Zimbabwe. That would have made the Netherlands match a dead-rubber since they would have already qualified.

Pakistan did not deserve to qualify ahead of South Africa. The logic that Pakistan deserved more means nothing. If that is the case then India deserved to play the final not Pakistan since India beat Pakistan.

Pakistan’s entry into the semifinal was a complete fluke. Their fate was out of their hand but things worked out in their favor.

They were also lucky to not face England in the semifinal because if rain didn’t play spoilsport in the other group, England would have topped its group and defeated Pakistan in the semifinal.

India and New Zealand were certainly more deserving than Pakistan to face England in the final.

 

[rhony]

I think Pak discovered how to be a tournament team. India had it under Dhoni but lost it. NZ is another that knows how to play tournaments. AUS and now Eng are the only teams that know how to deliver that killer punch though. A couple of good batsmen can make Pak a champ team.

 

[Xoib]

South Africa were completely screwed over by D/L against Zimbabwe. That would have made the Netherlands match a dead-rubber since they would have already qualified.

Pakistan did not deserve to qualify ahead of South Africa. The logic that Pakistan deserved more means nothing. If that is the case then India deserved to play the final not Pakistan since India beat Pakistan.

Pakistan’s entry into the semifinal was a complete fluke. Their fate was out of their hand but things worked out in their favor.

They were also lucky to not face England in the semifinal because if rain didn’t play spoilsport in the other group, England would have topped its group and defeated Pakistan in the semifinal.

India and New Zealand were certainly more deserving than Pakistan to face England in the final.

Sa vs Zim was a farce there is no way that match should have continued it was torrential rain . Umpries were out of their mind to try to get a result out of that game.

 

[Executioner]

He is a bitter and pathetic person

 

[Bewal Express]

South Africa were completely screwed over by D/L against Zimbabwe. That would have made the Netherlands match a dead-rubber since they would have already qualified.

Pakistan did not deserve to qualify ahead of South Africa. The logic that Pakistan deserved more means nothing. If that is the case then India deserved to play the final not Pakistan since India beat Pakistan.

Pakistan’s entry into the semifinal was a complete fluke. Their fate was out of their hand but things worked out in their favor.

They were also lucky to not face England in the semifinal because if rain didn’t play spoilsport in the other group, England would have topped its group and defeated Pakistan in the semifinal.

India and New Zealand were certainly more deserving than Pakistan to face England in the final.

What is that nonsense about deserve. You either qualify or you don't. This isnt synchronised swimming where you get marks for style.

 

[Babeikh]

South Africa were completely screwed over by D/L against Zimbabwe. That would have made the Netherlands match a dead-rubber since they would have already qualified.

Pakistan did not deserve to qualify ahead of South Africa. The logic that Pakistan deserved more means nothing. If that is the case then India deserved to play the final not Pakistan since India beat Pakistan.

Pakistan’s entry into the semifinal was a complete fluke. Their fate was out of their hand but things worked out in their favor.

They were also lucky to not face England in the semifinal because if rain didn’t play spoilsport in the other group, England would have topped its group and defeated Pakistan in the semifinal.

India and New Zealand were certainly more deserving than Pakistan to face England in the final.

We utterly smashed South Africa to bits, completely humiliated them. No way they deserved to qualify ahead of us, rain or no rain against Zim.

India barely beat us on the last ball, scraped past Bangladesh, lost to South Africa, got humiliated by England.

We comfortably beat New Zealand.

So you are wrong.

 

[The_KING]

Amir is right. People will disregard what he said because of his past and the fact that he comes across as a very bitter individual. But he is right on the money.

Even though we finished runners up in the world cup, our performances weren't that of a team that finished second. If we take into consideration the overall performances of teams during the world cup, South Africa, India, Australia & New Zealand all played better cricket than Pakistan, not to mention England, of course. Performance wise, we were like the sixth best team in the tournament. We just got lucky that we got to the final, thanks to Netherlands.

 

[Suleiman]

Ireland were probably more deserving than we were tbf

Here is the truth Rana,

Rizwan is 50x the man Amir can ever hope to be. No matter how many times Amir has performed, he’s a 2 faced cheat and quitter. Winners never quit, and quitters never win.

On that alone, Rizwan is thousand times more valuable to Pakistan cricket than Amir. An honorable man who will continue to try and try again even if his efforts only result in his SR going from 120 to 120.5.

Amir is a con man. If Rizwan fooled the nation into believing that he was #1 batsman in the world, Amir fooled the nation into believing he actually cared about the country, and would be of services for years to come. All he could muster was a 5 year ban and then retirement after another few years.

Weak minded cricketer. His opinions aren’t worth a ****.

Every 4 and 6 off Amir’s bowling will be cheered from today till the end of his career!

Not a Rizwan fan, but I will even support Imran Farhat, Khushdil and Asif Ali over this liar!

As long as you’re not willing to accept money to stab your team in the back- you’re a better cricketer than Amir- that’s all it takes.

 

[Savak]

Amir has already gone into the dustbin in history. He will be remembered solely for the spot fixing scandal.

 

[Duckworth Lewis]

You don't deserve to play cricket at it highest level.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Did we deserve to reach the final - probably no.

Will we take it - yes.

Did we play better than expected - no.

We did play better than expected. It’s Australia, we have never played well here so I have no idea why there were any sort of expectations from this team.

 

[MenInG]

Seems PCB taking some revenge?

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Retired pacer Mohammad Amir is still waiting for Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) to permit him to play 2022 Abu Dhabi T10 League.

The 30-year-old is part of the Bangla Tigers and has been training with the side in Abu Dhabi, however, he has not been granted NOC, which is mandatory for any player participating in a foreign league.

While talking to Cricket Pakistan, Amir is surprised by PCB's decision. "Other Pakistan cricketers in the league have NOC. I am surprised that I am being treated like this," he added.

As per sources, NOCs have been issued to all other cricketers of Pakistan, including Iftikhar Ahmed.

It must be noted Amir doesn't miss any opportunity to critcise PCB and the Pakistan team. He slammed them over their loss to India and Zimbabwe at the recent T20 World Cup.

Sheikh Zayed Cricket Stadium will host the tournament's sixth edition which will be played from 23 November to 4th December.

https://cricketpakistan.com.pk/en/news/detail/pcb-denies-noc-to-mohammad-amir-for-t10-league

 

[YousafTheBeast]

What happens if he plays without the NOC?

Why does a retired cricketer require an NOC to play in a foreign league.*

Also, why is the PCB acting like a bunch of kids with bruised egos. They could’ve ignored his statements and remained professional but nah let’s put ourselves under more pressure from the media*

 

[Saj]

Looks like he will get his NOC in the next day or two.

 

[FreakCricket]

You only have 5 competitive t20 teams and 4 play the Semis, so not sure who's deserving or not goes in the bin.

 

[shamaan]

He's retired why does he need NOC

 

[MenInG]

Looks like he will get his NOC in the next day or two.

Wonder if PCB making him sweat it out after all what he has said about the Chairman etc.

 

[TheSultan]

At the end of the day “deserve” / “undeserve” doesn’t matter. You found a way to get to the semis and played very well in that knockout game, so that’s fine.

However, what needs to be recognised is that it is not a template for success. If you want to further your team and genuinely want to get better, you need to recognise that you need to improve. I watched Amir on that show and I believe his frustration was that a lot of our shortcomings will be brushed under the carpet. In that sense he’s right. Yes he probably does have an axe to grind too, but purely from a cricketing perspective a lot of his criticism was justified.

The opening combo cannot continue in T20 cricket. Our batting approach in T20s must change. You cannot carry injured players. Your captaincy needs to be better. You can’t carry passengers like Khushdil, Asif in the squad.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

We wasted the final and the golden opportunity. 2 years in a row 2 WCs which should have been won if we had the correct openers.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Here is the truth Rana,

Rizwan is 50x the man Amir can ever hope to be. No matter how many times Amir has performed, he’s a 2 faced cheat and quitter. Winners never quit, and quitters never win.

On that alone, Rizwan is thousand times more valuable to Pakistan cricket than Amir. An honorable man who will continue to try and try again even if his efforts only result in his SR going from 120 to 120.5.

Amir is a con man. If Rizwan fooled the nation into believing that he was #1 batsman in the world, Amir fooled the nation into believing he actually cared about the country, and would be of services for years to come. All he could muster was a 5 year ban and then retirement after another few years.

Weak minded cricketer. His opinions aren’t worth a ****.

Every 4 and 6 off Amir’s bowling will be cheered from today till the end of his career!

Not a Rizwan fan, but I will even support Imran Farhat, Khushdil and Asif Ali over this liar!

As long as you’re not willing to accept money to stab your team in the back- you’re a better cricketer than Amir- that’s all it takes.

Amir is the lowest but Rizwan with his fake appeals, fake injuries is hardly a beacon of light. A mediocre batsman aswell.

 

[pakfan54588]

Seems like last warning to amir shutup or face consequences .Good response from pcb

 

[TheSultan]

What happens if he plays without the NOC?

Why does a retired cricketer require an NOC to play in a foreign league.*

Also, why is the PCB acting like a bunch of kids with bruised egos. They could’ve ignored his statements and remained professional but nah let’s put ourselves under more pressure from the media*

Exactly right - the PCB act like they are in the playground. Players / ex Players are humans, some from different backgrounds and may have certain personality traits. The PCB is a national organisation. Even if man child ramiz is offended, an organisation should have a system to prevent stupidity and knee jerk reactions.

 

[Major]

good from PCB, its there decision who to give NOC and who to not.

Hopefully they dont give him or hopefully the franchise ditches amir and than PCB gives NOC

 

[Major]

What happens if he plays without the NOC?

Why does a retired cricketer require an NOC to play in a foreign league.����*

Also, why is the PCB acting like a bunch of kids with bruised egos. They could’ve ignored his statements and remained professional but nah let’s put ourselves under more pressure from the media����*

you cant play without an NOC, if the team plays him without one, than ICC will blacklist the whole league.

This is why Aamir needed to be careful in the garbage he was sprouting.

Amir has retired but he plays cricket as a representative of Pakistan, and thus needs to get an NOC from PCB. This is not a PCB law but an ICC law.
You can further read it here
https://www.pcb.com.pk/downloads/NOC Policy 2020 - FINAL.pdf

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Amir is right. No team deserve to play in the finals after losing against Zimbabwe. But as always, Pakistan is the luckiest team in tournament and always find a way in. 10 out of 10 times SA won't lose against Ned. All this luck started from 1992 WC when Pakistan was virtually out of tournament and then rain happened.

Rajdeep, rain ruined more than 1 match in 1992. Lets take the rain out of equation then. Pak vs Eng no rain. England wins gets 2 pts, Pakistan gets a zero, because of rain Pakistan got 1 point now gets zero.

Pak vs SA no rain. No Rain means the run rate wont triple like did after loosing all the overs to rain. Before rain Pakistan was cruising. Pakistan wins gets 2 pts.

So With rain Pakistan gets 1 point without rain Pakistan gets 2 points.

 

[Saj]

Still no NOC yet for Amir.

 

[gazza619]

Still no NOC yet for Amir.

Best news of the day.

 

[srh]

Mohammad Amir on TV:

"The fact that we played in the final is a big thing. We didn't deserve to play in the final. The whole world knows how we advanced to the final. Allah helped us reach there. You will get to know the results if you look at the performance of our batters. Once we got out of Sydney, it was given that this would happen"

"I told you earlier that if the pitch at MCG is the same as it was in the first match, Pakistan will struggle and we did. After winning the toss, we got off to a good start and we knew how the conditions were"

"We talked about Haris and his intent. But along with intent, you also need to have sense. On the first ball, he faced off Adil Rashid, he tried to come down the track"

"On these pitches, you can't leave it to someone else. The new batter will struggle. Ben Stokes showed that experience and game-awareness"

NDTV

Amir is right. Pakistan was extremely lucky in the T20 WC.

 

[PerfectionPersonified]

Still no NOC yet for Amir.

when do we expect to see an apology ?

I was wondering why he needs NOC if he has already retired ?

 

[Zaz]

Still no NOC yet for Amir.

Pcb teaching him a lesson He needs to keep his mouth shut and stop with his venom and axe grinding

Theres only one winner if you go against the board

 

[Major]

He has been released according to social media.

Well deserved bayzati for this guy.

He will probably now look to get nationality of England and finish ties with PCB and try to register under ECB. Good riddance.

 

[Rana]

He has been released according to social media.

Well deserved bayzati for this guy.

He will probably now look to get nationality of England and finish ties with PCB and try to register under ECB. Good riddance.

Actually this is a bad look on PCB. They are blocking a person’s livelihood because they don’t like his opposing views to theirs

Don’t worry. Allah is watching

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Bad behaviour from the PCB.

Amir is a malicious character but the PCB shouldn't be petty enough to restrict his earnings, just for his deranged rantings.

 

[Major]

Bad behaviour from the PCB.

Amir is a malicious character but the PCB shouldn't be petty enough to restrict his earnings, just for his deranged rantings.

Its pcbs decision who to give noc and who to not. Just like how pcb allowed h back into cricket when they could had treated him like asif or butt.

Pcb didnt make the noc rule, ICC did. If amor feels cheated than im pretty sure he has a wife that is a lawyer and they can go file a case against pcb....

They can even file a case against icc about the noc rule.

Lesson needs to be learned, if PCB can give you favors than same PCB can use negative reinforment if you sprout garbage against them.

Which player in the world that relies on their boards authority, sits on tv and not onoy sprouts garbage against its main heads but also call one of their employees as laptop.

Amir clearly misbehaved on national tv, pcb dod not even fine him or anything, they simply decided not to give an noc, simple.

 

[Major]

Actually this is a bad look on PCB. They are blocking a person’s livelihood because they don’t like his opposing views to theirs

Don’t worry. Allah is watching

Allah is watching and amir is a corrupt individual who got caught and was proven

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Its pcbs decision who to give noc and who to not. Just like how pcb allowed h back into cricket when they could had treated him like asif or butt.

Pcb didnt make the noc rule, ICC did. If amor feels cheated than im pretty sure he has a wife that is a lawyer and they can go file a case against pcb....

They can even file a case against icc about the noc rule.

Lesson needs to be learned, if PCB can give you favors than same PCB can use negative reinforment if you sprout garbage against them.

Which player in the world that relies on their boards authority, sits on tv and not onoy sprouts garbage against its main heads but also call one of their employees as laptop.

Amir clearly misbehaved on national tv, pcb dod not even fine him or anything, they simply decided not to give an noc, simple.

As a human being I like this petty level of revenge and Amir does deserve it.

But our institutions should be stronger and less inclined to this type of activity.

 

[Zaz]

Actually this is a bad look on PCB. They are blocking a person’s livelihood because they don’t like his opposing views to theirs

Don’t worry. Allah is watching

Yes allah is also is watching the filth and hate thats coming out of his mouth

He cant expect the same board to provide him with a noc when hes constantly bad mouthing them and its chairman

 

[Rana]

The same people would criticise western media for gagging and isolating Ozil…now the PCB does the same sort of gagging and isolating to Amir and they are applauding this move

Hypocrisy has no end unfortunately

 

[Major]

The same people would criticise western media for gagging and isolating Ozil…now the PCB does the same sort of gagging and isolating to Amir and they are applauding this move

Hypocrisy has no end unfortunately

when did I or any of the above posters talk about OZIL? you are just trying to find hypocrisy out of something that doesnt even exist.

Simple concept:

You dont burn bridges with people who you are going to rely on in future. If Amir was going to rely on PCB for NOC, it was better for him not to critisize an organization or make false allegations against them. Because ICC has given rights to boards to give or deny NOC, this isnt a PCB rule.

And this time around, Amir cant use his age excuse to say that he made a mistake as he is a child. He can however make an excuse that he is an uneducated fool, lets see if that can give him some leverage here

 

[Rana]

when did I or any of the above posters talk about OZIL? you are just trying to find hypocrisy out of something that doesnt even exist.

Simple concept:

You dont burn bridges with people who you are going to rely on in future. If Amir was going to rely on PCB for NOC, it was better for him not to critisize an organization or make false allegations against them. Because ICC has given rights to boards to give or deny NOC, this isnt a PCB rule.

And this time around, Amir cant use his age excuse to say that he made a mistake as he is a child. He can however make an excuse that he is an uneducated fool, lets see if that can give him some leverage here

Whether you did or did not stand up for Ozil is besides the point. What the PCB is doing now is what Arsenal and Germany did to Ozil

They are not two different things. Freedom of speech cannot be gagged when it doesn’t suit you

 

[Rana]

Yes allah is also is watching the filth and hate thats coming out of his mouth

He cant expect the same board to provide him with a noc when hes constantly bad mouthing them and its chairman

Allah is also watching the reason and hypocrisy that leads a person like Amir to lash out. It works both ways. Taali kabhi aik haath se nahi bajti

 

[Major]

Whether you did or did not stand up for Ozil is besides the point. What the PCB is doing now is what Arsenal and Germany did to Ozil

They are not two different things. Freedom of speech cannot be gagged when it doesn’t suit you

freedom of speech doesnt mean you bad mouth anyone you feel like.

Do you work? Can you go on tv and badmouth your employer who you still have to rely on for documentations like that?

 

[Major]

Allah is also watching the reason and hypocrisy that leads a person like Amir to lash out. It works both ways. Taali kabhi aik haath se nahi bajti

Amir himself quit Pakistan cricket. Rameez Raja didnt even do anything to him.

Im a critic of Rameez Raja as chairman, But i support him over all the chairmans on the fixer stance.

 

[Zaz]

Allah is also watching the reason and hypocrisy that leads a person like Amir to lash out. It works both ways. Taali kabhi aik haath se nahi bajti

Please enlighten us what ill the board has done to amir that makes his outbursts acceptable

The only ill i can see was bringing him back after his ban expired

 

[Saj]

Mohammad Amir has finally got his NOC from the PCB.

I thought he'd get it sooner or later

 

[Rana]

Mohammad Amir has finally got his NOC from the PCB.

I thought he'd get it sooner or later

[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]

Commiserations

Rambo’s PCB can only threat but not actually walk the walk

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I watched the T10 today for the first time.

Wahab was bowling and Azam Khan keeping. At some point Suresh Raina was batting alongside Odean Smith.

Dead wicket, dead crowd and a dead game

It seemed like a place where cricket goes to die.

There was no reason to stop Amir playing there and I'm glad the PCB saw sense in the end.

 

[gazza619]

freedom of speech doesnt mean you bad mouth anyone you feel like.

Do you work? Can you go on tv and badmouth your employer who you still have to rely on for documentations like that?

Exactly!!!

Some people are just blind to see the reality.

 

[Abstraction1]

South Africa were completely screwed over by D/L against Zimbabwe. That would have made the Netherlands match a dead-rubber since they would have already qualified.

Pakistan did not deserve to qualify ahead of South Africa. The logic that Pakistan deserved more means nothing. If that is the case then India deserved to play the final not Pakistan since India beat Pakistan.

Pakistan’s entry into the semifinal was a complete fluke. Their fate was out of their hand but things worked out in their favor.

They were also lucky to not face England in the semifinal because if rain didn’t play spoilsport in the other group, England would have topped its group and defeated Pakistan in the semifinal.

India and New Zealand were certainly more deserving than Pakistan to face England in the final.

Do you not know how tournaments and points work ?

Pakistan had more points and standing therefore qualified to the Semis along with India. Do you need a calculator?

There is no "fluking" your way to a final.